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Location: Texas | Has anyone been to one of her clinics??? Was it helpful?? I am looking into going to one next yr. |
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Location: NC | Just went to hers this year. Very helpful. Be prepared to be exhausted by the end. Was a 3 day clinic. Got a bit boring waiting but was worth it when you were up. |
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Location: Texas | Racer4eva - 2015-08-06 5:52 PM
Just went to hers this year. Very helpful. Be prepared to be exhausted by the end. Was a 3 day clinic. Got a bit boring waiting but was worth it when you were up.
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Location: South Central Florida | took my daughter years ago. It was horrible. Iv posted before, will anytime someone asks. She was a rude, arrogant pompous ass. 20+ people started the clinic on Fri nigbt, by Sunday 5 had left....Adults in tears. She told an 11 year old girl her horse would not even make good dog food. She catered to advanced riders, OR those with high dollar rigs. She told me personally if it were up to her she would have people need to qualify to come to her clinics. She hated wasting time with "non-riders". She was not helpful and down right mean to many.
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| Swannranch - 2015-08-08 7:56 PM
took my daughter years ago. It was horrible. Iv posted before, will anytime someone asks. She was a.rude, arrogant pompous ass. 20+ people started the clinic on Fri nigbt, by Sunday 5 had left....DAdults in tears. She.told an 11 year old girl he horse would.bot even make good dog food. She catered.to.advancex riders, OR those with high dollar rigs. She.told me personally ifit were up to her she would have.people need to qualify to come to her clinics. She hated wasting time with "non-riders". She was not helpful and down right mean to many.
She has mellowed out over the years
But don't expect your ego to be padded
She is blunt
Sometimes harsh
And when I went I noticed if she is constantly on you she see potential in you.
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Location: Where I am happiest | She is one of the rudest people I have ever met and a fake. She had ONE good horse!!! Go to someone who has had multiple good horses they trained, not bought going. |
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Location: NC | She was extremely helpful in april. Im glad shes mellowed out a bunch. But not once was she rude to us. My horse ended up being a jerk because she was hurt and she helped us out a ton. I def dont have the biggest rig out there nor do i have the most expensive tack and she still talked to us... |
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Location: OH-IO | Went to her clinic at equine affaire a few years back and the whole two day clinic was based for very beginner riders and horses. (it may have been the fact that we were at equine affaire, i am not positive) My horse and I both were very much farther ahead and were way past what she was teaching. It was basically two days of a little exercise for my gelding. Like i said, might have been her "equine affaire class" but i wouldnt pay to go again.
ETA: she was very nice to us though! She wasnt rude or mean at all that week!
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Location: South Central Florida | Yes, she only sells her products, and no matter what your horse is doing...she will put you in one of her bits. I have heard she has mellowed. However, there are so many good clinitians out there that I would not waste my money.
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Location: Kansas | Same thing I went through with a Lynn McKenzie clinic years ago. Tiring, boring, "buy my crap", actually walked out on a never-ending prayer she presented to us, insulted my shoer. I've watched Sharon Camarillo videos......complicated and tedious.
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| Many of them do this...I think almost anyone who has a product line. Sharon, Charmayne, Martha, all have a buy my bit/saddle/feed/oils, hippie herbs, voodoo horse dolls, bibles...whatever else they sell. I understand that it may "help" but at the same time I am paying $500-$800 for them to help me with my riding and why we aren't clocking.
I went to a Sharon clinic at the SoCal Horse Expo and it was specifically for barrel racers. I was just auditing but I learned a lot. Many people who do clinics are known for not being nice. "Uncle Ed" Wright and "Uncle George" Morris to name a couple are apparently notorious for being nasty...but I have heard that both will make you an excellent rider. (I have only experienced the George Morris clinic...I missed my opportunity for the Ed Wright clinic this year.) |
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| RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-08-10 10:24 AM
Many of them do this...I think almost anyone who has a product line. Sharon, Charmayne, Martha, all have a buy my bit/saddle/feed/oils, hippie herbs, voodoo horse dolls, bibles...whatever else they sell. I understand that it may "help" but at the same time I am paying $500-$800 for them to help me with my riding and why we aren't clocking.
I went to a Sharon clinic at the SoCal Horse Expo and it was specifically for barrel racers. I was just auditing but I learned a lot. Many people who do clinics are known for not being nice. "Uncle Ed" Wright and "Uncle George" Morris to name a couple are apparently notorious for being nasty...but I have heard that both will make you an excellent rider. (I have only experienced the George Morris clinic...I missed my opportunity for the Ed Wright clinic this year.)
Oddly enough, I went to a Josey clinic at her ranch and the best thing they did for my horse was put her in one of their bits. I felt like it was on a different horse and bought one right away. I was also having a lot of problems though that only happened at speed. So sometimes those things can work well. Everyone at Josey Ranch were the nicest people ever though. |
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Location: Mid-Michigan | I enjoyed the Sharon Camarillo Clinic a lot better than a Josey Clinic. More ride time, more drills, and I felt she went more in depth than the Joseys did. I thought she was very nice, not rude at all. |
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Location: Midwest | I have never been to either, but here's my thoughts on "nasty" clinicians
It's all about how you approach the clinic. If you go in there humble and wanting to learn, they aren't going to tear you down. People that argue with the clinician, don't try, or make excuses are the ones that end up getting chewed out. Don't argue with the person when you are paying them for their opinion- shut up and listen. Use what you want and disregard the rest (eta when you get home).
Just my .02, as I have ridden with so called "mean" english trainers and none of them were insulting to me or my not-so-fancy horse. They saw that I wanted to learn and I tried- and that was what mattered.
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Location: Texas | Thanks guys! I have been to a josey clinic and they were so helpful!! They didn't even put me in one of thier bits. They said hat my horses but was just fine- that really surprised me :) |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | stayceem - 2015-08-11 11:05 AM I learned soooo much from her book... that thing was my bible as a teenager. Wish I could find it again! Never met her personally but always wanted to.
all her books are on her website or
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Location: run2win land | I know Sharon and she is blunt but correct. She is very focused on improving your horsemanship. If you know how to ride, it will make you a better barrel racer. As for being mean, I went to an Ed Wright Clinic and he had me bawling in tears the entire first day. broke me down but then started building back up next two days. I learned alot. I'm not paying that kind of money to have someone blowing sunshine up my a**. I'm there to learn. |
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| BarrelRacingChick - 2015-08-10 2:22 PM
Thanks guys! I have been to a josey clinic and they were so helpful!! They didn't even put me in one of thier bits. They said hat my horses but was just fine- that really surprised me :)
That's another cool thing about Josey's, they only change you if they see a problem with it. I just didn't have enough bit for how strong and hard running my horse is. She needed more turn, so they put her in their Go-Around bit, and she was turning great. I still run her in it and we went in June of 2014 to the weeklong camp at Josey Ranch. (Which we were in the saddle almost all day, so not sure what Josey clinic the above person went to, me and my horse were exhausted after all the riding we did that week) |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-08-10 9:24 AM
Many of them do this...I think almost anyone who has a product line. Sharon, Charmayne, Martha, all have a buy my bit/saddle/feed/oils, hippie herbs, voodoo horse dolls, bibles...whatever else they sell. I understand that it may "help" but at the same time I am paying $500-$800 for them to help me with my riding and why we aren't clocking.
I went to a Sharon clinic at the SoCal Horse Expo and it was specifically for barrel racers. I was just auditing but I learned a lot. Many people who do clinics are known for not being nice. "Uncle Ed" Wright and "Uncle George" Morris to name a couple are apparently notorious for being nasty...but I have heard that both will make you an excellent rider. (I have only experienced the George Morris clinic...I missed my opportunity for the Ed Wright clinic this year.)
To get better one must acknowledge one's weaknesses and short-comings. These type of people pull no punches and put it out there - some folks are better at telling you how crappy you truly are. I'd rather spend a day with a tough one who I know is pointing out all of my issues than someone who will not and does not tell me the truth. I learned a long time ago that if I wanted to go play with the big girls / boys I had to step up, put my feelings / emotions in check and get coaching that pushed me forward. Did I like all I heard? No. Did I and my horses improve? Absolutely. With that said, it is important to work with someone you are comfortable with -- who has credibility, the knowledge and can get that knowledge transferred to you in a means that you can use it. This is the reason there are so many out there teaching clinics. We are individuals. |
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Location: Wisconsin | I went to one and personally LOVED Stormy, I could learn from Stormy and the way she explained things better than Sharon. If Stormy did them on her own I would go in a heartbeat. |
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Location: Kansas | swd - 2015-08-10 4:06 PM I know Sharon and she is blunt but correct. She is very focused on improving your horsemanship. If you know how to ride, it will make you a better barrel racer. As for being mean, I went to an Ed Wright Clinic and he had me bawling in tears the entire first day. broke me down but then started building back up next two days. I learned alot. I'm not paying that kind of money to have someone blowing sunshine up my a**. I'm there to learn.
Absolutely no excuse for rudeness, bluntness or making anybody cry. A barrel racing clinic should be a pleasant learning experience. If things aren't soaking in, maybe it's the instructors fault, not yours. Make them cry. They might be wasting your hard-earned money. Not everyone who made a trip to a pro rodeo or trained a good horse is qualified to teach others.
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Location: Paradise , tx | Frodo - 2015-08-11 7:37 AM swd - 2015-08-10 4:06 PM I know Sharon and she is blunt but correct. She is very focused on improving your horsemanship. If you know how to ride, it will make you a better barrel racer. As for being mean, I went to an Ed Wright Clinic and he had me bawling in tears the entire first day. broke me down but then started building back up next two days. I learned alot. I'm not paying that kind of money to have someone blowing sunshine up my a**. I'm there to learn. Absolutely no excuse for rudeness, bluntness or making anybody cry. A barrel racing clinic should be a pleasant learning experience. If things aren't soaking in, maybe it's the instructors fault, not yours. Make them cry. They might be wasting your hard-earned money. Not everyone who made a trip to a pro rodeo or trained a good horse is qualified to teach others.
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Location: South Central Florida | swd - 2015-08-10 5:06 PM I know Sharon and she is blunt but correct. She is very focused on improving your horsemanship. If you know how to ride, it will make you a better barrel racer. As for being mean, I went to an Ed Wright Clinic and he had me bawling in tears the entire first day. broke me down but then started building back up next two days. I learned alot. I'm not paying that kind of money to have someone blowing sunshine up my a**. I'm there to learn.
So, just curious...telling an 11 year old girl (or anyone for that matter) that the horse they were on would not even make good dog food is acceptable? We were there for instruction and corrections, not to be ridiculed, made fun of and if you were lucky ignored. |
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Location: South Central Florida | The BEST clinic I ever attended was put on the the Reinhardts. They came to Florida years ago. They probably had 100 bits with them and other equipment all from different manufacturers. Their goal was to learn, enjoy and find what works for you and your horse. Never insulted anyone, never made fun of any one but easily made corrections that made sense.
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| Delta Cowgirl - 2015-08-10 3:42 PM
RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-08-10 9:24 AM
Many of them do this...I think almost anyone who has a product line. Sharon, Charmayne, Martha, all have a buy my bit/saddle/feed/oils, hippie herbs, voodoo horse dolls, bibles...whatever else they sell. I understand that it may "help" but at the same time I am paying $500-$800 for them to help me with my riding and why we aren't clocking.
I went to a Sharon clinic at the SoCal Horse Expo and it was specifically for barrel racers. I was just auditing but I learned a lot. Many people who do clinics are known for not being nice. "Uncle Ed" Wright and "Uncle George" Morris to name a couple are apparently notorious for being nasty...but I have heard that both will make you an excellent rider. (I have only experienced the George Morris clinic...I missed my opportunity for the Ed Wright clinic this year.)
To get better one must acknowledge one's weaknesses and short-comings. These type of people pull no punches and put it out there - some folks are better at telling you how crappy you truly are. I'd rather spend a day with a tough one who I know is pointing out all of my issues than someone who will not and does not tell me the truth. I learned a long time ago that if I wanted to go play with the big girls / boys I had to step up, put my feelings / emotions in check and get coaching that pushed me forward. Did I like all I heard? No. Did I and my horses improve? Absolutely. With that said, it is important to work with someone you are comfortable with -- who has credibility, the knowledge and can get that knowledge transferred to you in a means that you can use it. This is the reason there are so many out there teaching clinics. We are individuals.
I absolutely agree. There are several ladies that we ride with here who have notable titles in their pasts (4x IFR quialifier, California Circut champ 5 years in a row, futurites, etc) who we would like to get clinics/lessons from...but these ladies won't do it because they are not "nice" and said that they have made people cry in the past. Who cares?!!! I want to ride like a winner! It won't be the first time a trainer has made me cry...but I also have my fair share of titles from back in the day, too. So to me it is definitely worth it if it makes me a better rider.  |
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| RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-08-11 12:50 PM
Delta Cowgirl - 2015-08-10 3:42 PM
RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-08-10 9:24 AM
Many of them do this...I think almost anyone who has a product line. Sharon, Charmayne, Martha, all have a buy my bit/saddle/feed/oils, hippie herbs, voodoo horse dolls, bibles...whatever else they sell. I understand that it may "help" but at the same time I am paying $500-$800 for them to help me with my riding and why we aren't clocking.
I went to a Sharon clinic at the SoCal Horse Expo and it was specifically for barrel racers. I was just auditing but I learned a lot. Many people who do clinics are known for not being nice. "Uncle Ed" Wright and "Uncle George" Morris to name a couple are apparently notorious for being nasty...but I have heard that both will make you an excellent rider. (I have only experienced the George Morris clinic...I missed my opportunity for the Ed Wright clinic this year.)
To get better one must acknowledge one's weaknesses and short-comings. These type of people pull no punches and put it out there - some folks are better at telling you how crappy you truly are. I'd rather spend a day with a tough one who I know is pointing out all of my issues than someone who will not and does not tell me the truth. I learned a long time ago that if I wanted to go play with the big girls / boys I had to step up, put my feelings / emotions in check and get coaching that pushed me forward. Did I like all I heard? No. Did I and my horses improve? Absolutely. With that said, it is important to work with someone you are comfortable with -- who has credibility, the knowledge and can get that knowledge transferred to you in a means that you can use it. This is the reason there are so many out there teaching clinics. We are individuals.
I absolutely agree. There are several ladies that we ride with here who have notable titles in their pasts (4x IFR quialifier, California Circut champ 5 years in a row, futurites, etc ) who we would like to get clinics/lessons from...but these ladies won't do it because they are not "nice" and said that they have made people cry in the past. Who cares?!!! I want to ride like a winner! It won't be the first time a trainer has made me cry...but I also have my fair share of titles from back in the day, too. So to me it is definitely worth it if it makes me a better rider.
Yes! We are lucky here in CA with so much talent and experience in some ladies to teach us. Don't cry, just do what's being asked and be grateful for the learning opportunity. The clinic I won't go back to is the one from the trainer who blows smoke up a riders butt about their horse's potential or their riding abilities. Tell me like it is, I can call my mom if I want to hear how great I am. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I have posted before about going to one of her clinics and yes, she was very rude and I can still remember our not nice conversations. This was back in 1996 and I didn't care for her personality but I have always liked her methods etc. I could ride behind her easily. I think it was a hard time for her back then, what I can remember. I picked up a few things and that alone was worth the money spent. I have gotten over the other and have used many of her ideas and methods through out my barrel racing years. In fact, I was going through my computer room and found all kinds of articles she has written through the years that I cut out and saved.
She didn't push her saddles or bits but had all of her bits for people to try and she didn't suggest one of her bits for everyone.
As far as bits goes, I have gone to many clinics and what I needed was a bit change to make the difference between getting a check.
I have found that you don't have to have had many winners nor horses that you trained to be a good teacher. I had a friend that couldn't ride in a stagecoach with the doors closed but could pick out what I did and what the horse was doing. She had a great eye and had gone to many clinics so she knew what worked but just never could ride good enough to apply them for herself.
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Location: Oklahoma City OK | I always feel the need to stand up for Sharon Camarillo, even though it was almost 30 years ago I went to her clinic.
It was a fantastic and worthy experience for me and I have nothing but respect and admiration for her. She was the utmost professional, absolutely dedicated to teaching and her student's learning and INTENSE. Many girls were present that thought they knew more than she did and were obviously just there for the social aspect. Sharon had little patience with them. I went there having a very humble and receptive attitude even though I had been riding and showing successfully for many, many years. Everybody else was on some high powered QH or TB and I brought a little, froo-froo and very pampered (but VERY well broke) Arabian...I was sure she would sneer at me and my little scared of the barrel horse.
She was a consummate horsewoman and taught those that wanted to learn well. A very few months later, the little Arabian and I won the first ever Arabian Barrel Race at the US Nationals. I doubt that would have happened if it weren't for Sharon's excellent instruction. Tough: yes. I didn't want to waste time or money getting compliments or sugar coating. I used a lot of her methods in training many other types of horses in other disciplines to great success. My $$ well spent. Attending an Ed Wright clinic several years ago was a very similar experience, with regard to method of teaching and learning. The good ones are intense, serious, dedicated to you getting your money's worth and being the best you can be. It doesn't enhance their reputation if someone doesn't come away from their clinics
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Location: nj | Great clinics, great teacher, great rider. If you have the chance to go to one of her clinics do it. |
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Location: Missouri | I think the biggest mistake people make going into a clinic no matter who the person is.......is expecting a pat on the back and them to tell you how amazing you and your horse are.
Go expecting to learn and get better. Hopefully you will take something away from the clinic that will help you. That is why you are there. Very few people can master the art coaching without stepping on a few toes. |
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Location: Midwest | kabarrels - 2015-08-12 8:34 AM
About 4 years ago I watched one of her clinics. After going through all the work and motions, during the end she was getting the crowd all wild to see her make a run on a borrowed horse she was riding all throughout the clinic. So finally she made a nice looking run, not too fast, but on the way home as she was slowing the horse, Sharon actually fell off, tumbling forward off the horse and onto the ground as he came to a stop. She looked mortified and people were complaining they wasted their time to watch a someone who ended up being a clown the entire time. That's my experience with Sharon Camarillo.
I don't know her from Adam, but a gal fell at the NFR last year and we all know she was a heck of a hand to get there.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | kabarrels - 2015-08-12 8:34 AM About 4 years ago I watched one of her clinics. After going through all the work and motions, during the end she was getting the crowd all wild to see her make a run on a borrowed horse she was riding all throughout the clinic. So finally she made a nice looking run, not too fast, but on the way home as she was slowing the horse, Sharon actually fell off, tumbling forward off the horse and onto the ground as he came to a stop. She looked mortified and people were complaining they wasted their time to watch a someone who ended up being a clown the entire time. That's my experience with Sharon Camarillo.
I can't believe I just read this. If you couldn't figure out what she did for you with your riding before the end of the clinic then it is you that is the clown.
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kabarrels - 2015-08-12 8:34 AM About 4 years ago I watched one of her clinics. After going through all the work and motions, during the end she was getting the crowd all wild to see her make a run on a borrowed horse she was riding all throughout the clinic. So finally she made a nice looking run, not too fast, but on the way home as she was slowing the horse, Sharon actually fell off, tumbling forward off the horse and onto the ground as he came to a stop. She looked mortified and people were complaining they wasted their time to watch a someone who ended up being a clown the entire time. That's my experience with Sharon Camarillo.
I can't believe I just read this. If you couldn't figure out what she did for you with your riding before the end of the clinic then it is you that is the clown.
All I stated was what happened and the reactions of the people involved in the clinic. I was watching from the stands, and had been there all day from seeing a pleasure class before the clinic begun. How could I be the clown? Screw off.
Calling some one a clown because they came off a horse they borrowed is mean. As someone who is trying to overcome fear of riding in front of my peers because of this very thing i suddenly find myself realizing people like you really don't matter to me anymore. |
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Location: Colorado | GLP - 2015-08-12 7:23 PM kabarrels - 2015-08-12 5:47 PM Nevertooold - 2015-08-12 1:00 PM kabarrels - 2015-08-12 8:34 AM About 4 years ago I watched one of her clinics. After going through all the work and motions, during the end she was getting the crowd all wild to see her make a run on a borrowed horse she was riding all throughout the clinic. So finally she made a nice looking run, not too fast, but on the way home as she was slowing the horse, Sharon actually fell off, tumbling forward off the horse and onto the ground as he came to a stop. She looked mortified and people were complaining they wasted their time to watch a someone who ended up being a clown the entire time. That's my experience with Sharon Camarillo. I can't believe I just read this. If you couldn't figure out what she did for you with your riding before the end of the clinic then it is you that is the clown.
All I stated was what happened and the reactions of the people involved in the clinic. I was watching from the stands, and had been there all day from seeing a pleasure class before the clinic begun. How could I be the clown? Screw off.
Many years ago a good friend fell off her horse at Greeley. She just flat wasn't paying attenton he zigged and she didn't. She was laughing so hard that someone else had to catch her horse.
I guarantee she was a hell of a hand. And just happened to be the WPRA President that year. Which made it evan better because the announcer had just made a BIG deal about who she was and her accomplishments. And for a long time after he made sure to ask her if she was trick riding or running barrels.
Calling someone a clown for hitting the dirt says a lot more about you than the person riding.
Sharon is a hand. You may not like her style nor be able to ride behind her. But, that says more about you than her. And your smart comment to NTO says a lot about your lack of class.
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Location: South Central Florida | I think itnsounds like your friend had anlot of class. When I met Sharon, she exibited no real class, very arrogant overly impressed with hirself maybe but no class. I think the humor in Sharons situation probably came from people sick of her attitude. I dont thinking laughing at a time like that 8s something many of us could deny we have done. Sharon made cruel jokes at peo0le and kids and then laughed at them when they cried.Ill never get past telling a child he horse wasnt worth dog food. AND the child was not a cryer and was a very strong knowledgable rider. |
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Location: South Central Florida | I think itnsounds like your friend had anlot of class. When I met Sharon, she exibited no real class, very arrogant overly impressed with hirself maybe but no class. I think the humor in Sharons situation probably came from people sick of her attitude. I dont thinking laughing at a time like that 8s something many of us could deny we have done. Sharon made cruel jokes at peo0le and kids and then laughed at them when they cried.Ill never get past telling a child he horse wasnt worth dog food. AND the child was not a cryer and was a very strong knowledgable rider. |
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Location: Colorado | Swannranch - 2015-08-12 9:14 PM I think itnsounds like your friend had anlot of class. When I met Sharon, she exibited no real class, very arrogant overly impressed with hirself maybe but no class. I think the humor in Sharons situation probably came from people sick of her attitude. I dont thinking laughing at a time like that 8s something many of us could deny we have done. Sharon made cruel jokes at peo0le and kids and then laughed at them when they cried.Ill never get past telling a child he horse wasnt worth dog food. AND the child was not a cryer and was a very strong knowledgable rider.
Swan, you have addressed your experience before and I don't disagree with your feelings.
My post was directed at someone who called Sharon a clown for hitting the dirt and then went on to call out a long time member here.
There is a whole lot of ego in the sport of rodeo. Sometimes I think we allow ourselves to be disapointed the person is not what we saw on TV or the local rodeo.
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Location: OH-IO | When I spent the two day weekend at her clinic just a few years back she MADE all the clinic rides ride in her gear. it was a very big promotion of her line of products...which to me is a disgrace.....look i ride my horse in the most light headgear i can. And when my horse acts like a complete jack b/c you put something way different and worse in his mouth-i dont appreciate paying $ for that. Offering or asking is one thing....but to make your riders wear YOUR line of product whether it is good bad or ugly-NO THANKS!
Went to several Troy crumrine clinics. Never once did he try to sell us ANYTHING, in fact he showed us all how to make proper length draw reins and such AT HOME FOR CHEAP. Not only did he teach us at the level each individual needed to be taught, but he got ON AND SHOWED US! Now that is someone who should be teaching. If you cant show me how to do it, you shouldnt be trying to teach me....
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Not Afraid to Work
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| I personally am not a fan of this thread... its turned into a bashing post if you ask me. I really hate cyber bullying. Someone asked about a well-known barrel racer and I privately messaged her my thoughts/experiences. I dont think we need name calling and these types of threads on here. JMO  |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | Stitch4k9 - 2015-08-12 11:48 PM Swannranch - 2015-08-12 9:14 PM I think itnsounds like your friend had anlot of class. When I met Sharon, she exibited no real class, very arrogant overly impressed with hirself maybe but no class. I think the humor in Sharons situation probably came from people sick of her attitude. I dont thinking laughing at a time like that 8s something many of us could deny we have done. Sharon made cruel jokes at peo0le and kids and then laughed at them when they cried.Ill never get past telling a child he horse wasnt worth dog food. AND the child was not a cryer and was a very strong knowledgable rider. Swan, you have addressed your experience before and I don't disagree with your feelings.
My post was directed at someone who called Sharon a clown for hitting the dirt and then went on to call out a long time member here.
There is a whole lot of ego in the sport of rodeo. Sometimes I think we allow ourselves to be disapointed the person is not what we saw on TV or the local rodeo.
karen
Edited to add, I had no expectations when I attended her clinic, really. I didn't know much about her and the only clinic's I had attended at that time were the Reinhardts (still some of the best ever)
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | stayceem - 2015-08-14 2:41 PM I personally am not a fan of this thread... its turned into a bashing post if you ask me. I really hate cyber bullying. Someone asked about a well-known barrel racer and I privately messaged her my thoughts/experiences. I dont think we need name calling and these types of threads on here. JMO
See, I disagree with this only because we have had people on here that love her. There are those that love her and those that hate her. Seems to kind of be a great way to get an idea of what you want and what to expect.
I like that we have this ability. I know people that have posted good and bad about other clinics...I used that information to chose weather to go or not.
Bashing to me is posting rumor, heresay and he said/she said. Every post on here that I read was by an attendee. I would rather get open honest information here than spend $500 to find out it's not what I was looking for.
From what I get here...if you are tough skinned, and you don't mind brutal and what some see as rude, you are totally open to using her gear only and you are a high level rider aiming for the NFR or equal aspirations, this might work for you.
If you are a beginner to intermediate or a youth or parent of a youth, if you are looking to learn in a friendly enviornment and advance at a moderate level...learn and have fun with a horse that will probalby never be 1D or Open Rodeo but is a great learning horse for your skill leve...this is probably not the clinic for you.
But every time someone askes ME how it was.....I will tell them, probably several times.
This is a brutal and honest acessments of her clinic.
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Location: OH-IO | Swannranch - 2015-08-14 7:16 PM stayceem - 2015-08-14 2:41 PM I personally am not a fan of this thread... its turned into a bashing post if you ask me. I really hate cyber bullying. Someone asked about a well-known barrel racer and I privately messaged her my thoughts/experiences. I dont think we need name calling and these types of threads on here. JMO
I like that we have this ability. I know people that have posted good and bad about other clinics...I used that information to chose weather to go or not.
Bashing to me is posting rumor, heresay and he said/she said. Every post on here that I read was by an attendee. I would rather get open honest information here than spend $500 to find out it's not what I was looking for.
From what I get here...if you are tough skinned, and you don't mind brutal and what some see as rude, you are totally open to using her gear only and you are a high level rider aiming for the NFR or equal aspirations, this might work for you.
If you are a beginner to intermediate or a youth or parent of a youth, if you are looking to learn in a friendly enviornment and advance at a moderate level...learn and have fun with a horse that will probalby never be 1D or Open Rodeo but is a great learning horse for your skill leve...this is probably not the clinic for you.
But every time someone askes ME how it was.....I will tell them, probably several times.
This is a brutal and honest acessments of her clinic.
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | It's important to know what you're getting into when you spend good money on a barrel racing clinic. Wish someone had warned me off the one I went to.
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The Advice Guru
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| Frodo - 2015-08-14 9:14 PM
It's important to know what you're getting into when you spend good money on a barrel racing clinic. Wish someone had warned me off the one I went to.
Everyone's experience with a clinic is different.
I do believe you get out of the clinic what you put in.
Just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean everyone had a bad experience.
Yes it is nice to go into a clinic knowing a little info, but even the negative info you need to take with a grain of salt.
I when I go to a clinic, I am not expecting miracles, and even if I take one thing home, then it was a good experience.
If the clinicians methods don't work for you, then you know for future reference.
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Not Afraid to Work
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| I am not opposed to stating how things went, good or bad. Pros, cons, likes, dislikes... what I don't agree with is calling someone classless... making allegations of arrogance, etc.
"I thought she pushed her products too much." Valid opinion.
"She was overly critical and I didn't feel I got the same attention as those on high caliber horses." Valid perception.
But I think this thread went beyond helpful information. To me some not all or even majority but some came off as bashing.
Eta... I too like knowing the good and bad of a clinic but only one side of these alleged stories are being heard and I feel it's unfair. We don't know these were truly how they happened... I've seen people get awfully defensive when someone offers advice. Remember there 2 sides to every story and then the truth.
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Location: nj | I have audited and been to alot of her clinics (along with other peoples clinics) - part of what I have seen is that you are asking for her expertise on bitting your horse and what will work as a tool in competion and training. I have never seen her insist that someone uses what she suggested - you are paying her (and other people whose clinics you attend) to get their advice and if you are silly enough to not even try it, then you might as well just stay home and do the clinic over the internet. Having the bits there to try, and not have to buy or borrow one to try them is a great value. And in my exerience - I and other people I know have tried equipment that she suggested that we thought would never be right.. and ending up having that equipment be our main go to bit on the horse.
I went to one of her clinics 20+ years ago and one last year, and they have evolved and changed over the years - I highly recommend them.
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | Stitch4k9 - 2015-08-12 8:33 PM GLP - 2015-08-12 7:23 PM kabarrels - 2015-08-12 5:47 PM Nevertooold - 2015-08-12 1:00 PM kabarrels - 2015-08-12 8:34 AM About 4 years ago I watched one of her clinics. After going through all the work and motions, during the end she was getting the crowd all wild to see her make a run on a borrowed horse she was riding all throughout the clinic. So finally she made a nice looking run, not too fast, but on the way home as she was slowing the horse, Sharon actually fell off, tumbling forward off the horse and onto the ground as he came to a stop. She looked mortified and people were complaining they wasted their time to watch a someone who ended up being a clown the entire time. That's my experience with Sharon Camarillo. I can't believe I just read this. If you couldn't figure out what she did for you with your riding before the end of the clinic then it is you that is the clown.
All I stated was what happened and the reactions of the people involved in the clinic. I was watching from the stands, and had been there all day from seeing a pleasure class before the clinic begun. How could I be the clown? Screw off.
I guarantee she was a hell of a hand. And just happened to be the WPRA President that year. Which made it evan better because the announcer had just made a BIG deal about who she was and her accomplishments. And for a long time after he made sure to ask her if she was trick riding or running barrels.
Calling someone a clown for hitting the dirt says a lot more about you than the person riding.
Sharon is a hand. You may not like her style nor be able to ride behind her. But, that says more about you than her. And your smart comment to NTO says a lot about your lack of class.
karen
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Location: South Central Florida | stayceem - 2015-08-15 12:58 AM I am not opposed to stating how things went, good or bad. Pros, cons, likes, dislikes... what I don't agree with is calling someone classless... making allegations of arrogance, etc. "I thought she pushed her products too much." Valid opinion. "She was overly critical and I didn't feel I got the same attention as those on high caliber horses." Valid perception. But I think this thread went beyond helpful information. To me some not all or even majority but some came off as bashing. Eta... I too like knowing the good and bad of a clinic but only one side of these alleged stories are being heard and I feel it's unfair. We don't know these were truly how they happened... I've seen people get awfully defensive when someone offers advice. Remember there 2 sides to every story and then the truth.
"She told an 11 year old girl, her horse would not even make good dog food"
"If your to ignorant to know what a diagnol is, I don't know why your here"
"I HATE working with wannabe's, If I had it my way people would have to qualify to even attend one of my clinics. Sponsors won't allow me to do that. I don't see the point of working with garbage horses that will never win anything" Let alone the people".
Direct quotes from Sharon Camarillo, how's that?
You can "bash" me for having an opinion, but the difference is I didn't charge you more than $500 to listen
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| Swannranch - 2015-08-15 11:31 AM
stayceem - 2015-08-15 12:58 AM I am not opposed to stating how things went, good or bad. Pros, cons, likes, dislikes... what I don't agree with is calling someone classless... making allegations of arrogance, etc. "I thought she pushed her products too much." Valid opinion. "She was overly critical and I didn't feel I got the same attention as those on high caliber horses." Valid perception. But I think this thread went beyond helpful information. To me some not all or even majority but some came off as bashing. Eta... I too like knowing the good and bad of a clinic but only one side of these alleged stories are being heard and I feel it's unfair. We don't know these were truly how they happened... I've seen people get awfully defensive when someone offers advice. Remember there 2 sides to every story and then the truth.
"She told an 11 year old girl, her horse would not even make good dog food"
"If your to ignorant to know what a diagnol is, I don't know why your here"
"I HATE working with wannabe's, If I had it my way people would have to qualify to even attend one of my clinics. Sponsors won't allow me to do that. I don't see the point of working with garbage horses that will never win anything" Let alone the people".
Direct quotes from Sharon Camarillo, how's that?
You can "bash" me for having an opinion, but the difference is I didn't charge you more than $500 to listen
This behaviour is unacceptable, but I believe you said this was 20 yrs ago, people do change.
Heck bullying was okay 10 yrs ago, now it has been socially unacceptable.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Sharon is 67 years old.
She is an inductee to the Cowboy Hall of Fame.
She is very big into horsemanship and I sure think that is a good thing. You have to be able to ride before you can run a horse.
When I first became a member of this site back in 2003, there were many negative threads about the way she treated people at her clinics. The clinic I attended was back in 1996 or 1997. I have talked to a lot of people that have attended her clinics and we came to the conclusion that she believed in tough love and believe that being hard on people motivated them to be the riders that could be and she seemed to be the hardest on people that had the nicest horses and felt she could help the most.
Fast forward...the threads of late of have been positive ones. People change and their teaching techniques change. I would say she has found a balanced style of teaching but I do know she doesn't have the personality of being one that will blow butterflies up someone's butt and won't be a person that thinks everyone should get a trophy.
Like I have said many times...I like her style and I have her books, videos and articles she has written so we sure didn't butt heads about what she was teaching...
She loved my horse and told me he was one of the nicest horses she had ever seen at one of her clinics and tried to buy him.
I would have loved to have gone back to one of her clinics but the bad memories over rode the good and in my opinion it would have been like paying someone to abuse me and I'm not wired like that.
This is the last time I will ever post on this subject.
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Location: Nebraska | I went to one in January. I learned a lot, it was well worth the money. I found Sharon to be really classy, but brutally honest. However, I've found those are the best instructors for me, so I didn't mind a bit. The first thing she did when we made eye contact out of the sign-up area was walk straight up to me and shake my hand. She's very attentive to the riders and their horses even in group work such as warming up. She does suggest her bits a lot, but she doesn't force you to buy them- she lets you try your horse out in them and she has a sale trailer where you can buy tack if you like the results.
She will give you specific answers to questions if you ask her and she is very straightforward. My only regret was going in winter- since there were so many riders, it got pretty cold for those waiting or others to finish their lessons and drills. Even in a warmer California winter I wore jacket upon jacket, multiple pairs of socks, and gloves to keep from freezing. |
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| Swannranch - 2015-08-11 1:05 PM The BEST clinic I ever attended was put on the the Reinhardts. They came to Florida years ago. They probably had 100 bits with them and other equipment all from different manufacturers. Their goal was to learn, enjoy and find what works for you and your horse. Never insulted anyone, never made fun of any one but easily made corrections that made sense.
yes and they brought mom dad whoever how with thm to make sure they understood so to help when home
i love the cajon joke danny used comefor the bull
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | cheryl makofka - 2015-08-15 1:14 PM Swannranch - 2015-08-15 11:31 AM stayceem - 2015-08-15 12:58 AM I am not opposed to stating how things went, good or bad. Pros, cons, likes, dislikes... what I don't agree with is calling someone classless... making allegations of arrogance, etc. "I thought she pushed her products too much." Valid opinion. "She was overly critical and I didn't feel I got the same attention as those on high caliber horses." Valid perception. But I think this thread went beyond helpful information. To me some not all or even majority but some came off as bashing. Eta... I too like knowing the good and bad of a clinic but only one side of these alleged stories are being heard and I feel it's unfair. We don't know these were truly how they happened... I've seen people get awfully defensive when someone offers advice. Remember there 2 sides to every story and then the truth. "She told an 11 year old girl, her horse would not even make good dog food"
"If your to ignorant to know what a diagnol is, I don't know why your here"
"I HATE working with wannabe's, If I had it my way people would have to qualify to even attend one of my clinics. Sponsors won't allow me to do that. I don't see the point of working with garbage horses that will never win anything" Let alone the people".
Direct quotes from Sharon Camarillo, how's that?
You can "bash" me for having an opinion, but the difference is I didn't charge you more than $500 to listen
This behaviour is unacceptable, but I believe you said this was 20 yrs ago, people do change. Heck bullying was okay 10 yrs ago, now it has been socially unacceptable. I think it is more important to focus on the more current experiences
Just for detail, it was about 14 years ago. Yes a long time ago, and I sincerely hope she is better.
Reading the threads, there are some that like her now, and some that do not.
Her credentials are great and if we were talking about her as a historical figure, a barrel racer and maybe a horse trainer...great.
The question was about her clinics, and therefor her as a clinition.
I had never EVER seen anyone so vile in my life. I was not the only person that felt that way, although maybe the only one that will talk about it. There were 2 future Circuit finalists that were beginners there that were both students that left. I only add that because it seems people think if you dont' like her, it's because you can't ride or have no ability.
And just to make the note, my daughter was not the child she threatened or told her horse was crap.
Good Luck to those that go, I sincerely hope her clinics are better than they were 14/15 years ago BUT if you ask, I will tell you!!!
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Sharon camarillo......