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| If you had a choice of two foals by the same sire which of the following would you pick and the reasoning behind that choice (assuming your planning to keep the foal for your future barrel prospect). The dams have similar earnings and athletic achievement both are money/ point earners in multiple events
Foal A- Dam is old foundation blood. Mellow personality did anything and everything. Similar in build to a TB very racy looking but good conformation. Fantastic mover with huge stride nice smooth ride. You have full control over dam and foals nutrition from start to finish.
Foal B- Dam has trendier barrel/ race bloodlines very proven. A little hotter temperament more sensitive but still has a good head on her shoulders. nice conformation. Very athletic but very bumpy ride at the trot and through the turns. You have no control over nutrition till foal is weaned and you don't agree with the quality/ practices that will be used by the breeder. |
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| What's some info on the sire?
If he is a hotter, racier bred I'd probably go with the baby out of the more foundation mare.
If he is cow or barrel bred (by barrel bred, I mean sane lines that are a solid mix of run and turn) as opposed to race, then I'd probably like the foal out of the hotter, barrel bred mare.
Without knowing anything about the stud, I'm almost leaning toward the foundation mare because a good mind on a colt is very important and I would rather be in control of nutrition/care of mare and foal. |
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| The sire is older ranch and roping lines on top, reining and race on bottom. He's got an awesome disposition very kind and quite but sensitive. The foals seem to tend to take the dams temperament and his looks though with a mix of both in athleticism.
I am torn as I like the 2nd mare better on paper and her conformation type is more what I like but I like the disposition on the first mare a lot and I think nutrition is really important. I have also seen a foal from that cross and I liked it a lot super disposition born broke type, the 2nd mare is a maiden. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | I'm a big fan of almost anything 'old foundation'... |
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Location: Midwest | B, assuming the mare is not being neglected |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Which ever foal is a filly. At least if it's a filly and gets hurt you still have an option of using/selling her as a broodie. |
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| I would do B. I think you will get a better foal with sire x dam being that way. I have seen a foal that was near starved and the size of a small weanling at yearling age, and he grow into a beautiful big athletic 3 year old now. So I doubt they are going to starve the foal, so it shouldn't be that important.
Unless they are doing something very bad to it? What do you dislike about how they care for their foals? |
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| I would say foal A. I too am a fan of the older foundation lines. I also have a mare with a choppy trot/stride through her turns because of her build (short legs) - and I love her, but I'm over it. I am looking forward to a taller, longer strided horse next. The other (control of nutrition, and foundation lines) are just a plus to the taller, longer stride. |
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Location: OH | I would have to see pictures to make a good decision. |
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Location: Midwest | I think in terms of resale.
If this horse is running barrels or unproven, the fashionable lines will be easier to sell.
Foundation bred horses go cheap in my area if the horse isn't proven. |
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Location: Oklahoma | barrelracr131 - 2015-08-10 9:50 AM I think in terms of resale. If this horse is running barrels or unproven, the fashionable lines will be easier to sell. Foundation bred horses go cheap in my area if the horse isn't proven.
This is my thinking, as well. A lot of people will overlook attitude if the horse has nice enough papers. |
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Location: Missouri | I vote B.
No more foundation-bred for me. I don't have enough hours in the day to get mine broke. Supposedly, once you get them trained, they're amazing. But, I've been stuck at the get him trained part for 3 years. I don't have enough time, space, or guts. He's been a tough one.
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| Thanks guys. They are not starved just feed really cheap grain, like the kind you can feed goats, cows or horses and not really consistently fed the same thing everyday or according to their individual needs for protein, fat etc. They don't get mare and foal feed just what all the other horses get. I have always tried to be really careful about feeding a balanced diet with all the vitamins, minerals fat etc that each horse needs so I wasn't sure how important it would be overall in how the horse develops and holds up and what not. I do know pretty with a nice set of papers will sell even if it's bag **** crazy though lol I just want a nice athletic solid minded horse to keep though! But it's always nice to have resale value if needed! |
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Location: So. California | I like foundation lines, so foal A. Assuming a n/n 5 panel test. |
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| The most conformationally correct one. |
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| wishes4kissez - 2015-08-10 3:57 PM
Thanks guys. They are not starved just feed really cheap grain, like the kind you can feed goats, cows or horses and not really consistently fed the same thing everyday or according to their individual needs for protein, fat etc. They don't get mare and foal feed just what all the other horses get. I have always tried to be really careful about feeding a balanced diet with all the vitamins, minerals fat etc that each horse needs so I wasn't sure how important it would be overall in how the horse develops and holds up and what not. I do know pretty with a nice set of papers will sell even if it's bag **** crazy though lol I just want a nice athletic solid minded horse to keep though! But it's always nice to have resale value if needed!
So long as they aren't feeding fescue hay, then I wouldn't be TOO concerned about it. Like I said, we purchased a yearling who was malnourished and locked in a stall until yearling age that looked like he was 3 months old, and in only 18 months of proper care and exercise, he was stunning and a fantastic prospect that is about to go into cowhorse training. |
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Location: ND | I would have to see both foals & would decide by their conformation & personality. I don't care what's on the papers if the foal isn't build right, have nice straight legs and a pleasant personality. |
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| Is there anyway you can post pics and pedigree? I don't know how anyone could decide anything with the information you've offered so far- |
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| komet. - 2015-08-09 3:58 PM I'm a big fan of almost anything 'old foundation'...
Why? |
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Location: Texas | Foal A - you got me with, " Fantastic mover with huge stride nice smooth ride. " |
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Location: SE Louisiana | trickster j - 2015-08-10 11:37 PM
komet. - 2015-08-09 3:58 PM I'm a big fan of almost anything 'old foundation'...
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I like cow horses... short, quick, smart. |
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Just curious which foal you would chose??