|
|
 Employee of the month
Posts: 7657
    
Location: gone crazy! | Im at a loss. I've tried everything I've ever been taught or picked up by watching someone else in my 30 years. Can't get this horse to catch the correct lead going into his 2nd & 3rd barrel. Not to mention, if i could have a fairy Godmother to swap bits between 1st & 2nd we would at least have one good barrel. He doesn't like a bit in his mouth & he will fight you tooth & nail. He can be an awesome Roll Back style horse on first (with a little S hack) & a prissy little (he's actual big) bendy horse on 2nd & 3rd (with an O-ring). Obvisously I need a happy medium. Its sickening how much talent he has but refuses to use it.
He's on the verge of finding a new home......(im over reacting. its just frustrating LOL)
Need opinions on drills & bits.
TAKE NOTE:
My husband is an equine dentist, He's checked every 6month. His mouth is fine.
He's been vet checked...he's not hurt & We get cold laser therapy to eliminate soreness from a sponsor on a regular basis.
He's 6, broke broke broke in the mouth. absolute dream going slow. puts his feet in every right spot. Makes me look really snazzy as a trainer (which i am not ).....as soon as you ask him for speed, not all the time just mainly when it counts he will jack with me. Commit to the correct lead & then swap out of it at the VERY LAST MINUTE. at home you can ask him for speed most of the time & BAM...perfect run!! ( & I do change things up to keep him guessing)
He's being a butt....& I think I need to out smart him.
GO!!!
|
|
| |
|
Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Horses don't turn on the wrong lead because they are being bad.
I would say he is hurting somewhere and you can't see it with the diagnostics ou have used. |
|
| |
|
Employee of the month
Posts: 7657
Location: gone crazy! | barrelracr131 - 2015-08-12 9:40 AM Horses don't turn on the wrong lead because they are being bad.
I would say he is hurting somewhere and you can't see it with the diagnostics ou have used.
I disagree, he's an A-hole.
I've had some of the best vets in Texas that specialize in lameness examine him. the ONLY thing we found was ulcers, he's been treated & since gone back for a check up & is fine. he just recently started it a month ago. Prior to that he would get ticked & throw a colt fit when he didn't get his way. Im guessing he didn't have to excert himself prior to coming to my barn...it appeared as soon as he would get "****y" they would back off & he would get his way. I made the mistake over a year ago of backing off him after he bucked with me between 2-3. However i have since started wearing my big girl panties & he isn't boss anymore. Now he's got to get over it & move on.....he puts up a good fight. & honestly he's come along ways believe it or not lol.
|
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 2531
Location: WI | Can you do a simple lead change? Does he ALWAYS pick up the correct lead when you ask? I don't necessarily train for a lead change like a reiner would. When I start one or even slow work on a finished horse, I always break gait to change. Go faster, and they figure it out.
You can work figure 8's on the fence to get one to switch - Judy Myllymaki drill I picked up at one of her clinics. |
|
| |
|
 I hate cooking and cleaning
Posts: 3314
Location: Jersey Girl | Have you tried a combo bit? Maybe an O ring combo? |
|
| |
|
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 669
Location: Central Texas | He maybe being a butt and horses are smart but I honestly don't think they have the capability to say.....I am going to do this right most of the time and then some times I am just going to intentionally change a lead at the last minute and throw her off and mess with her. If so, my horses are dumb as rocks because they would do it all the time to get out of working. Hope you get it figured out because I am sure it's frustrating as heck. |
|
| |
|
Employee of the month
Posts: 7657
Location: gone crazy! | linds - 2015-08-12 1:45 PM Can you do a simple lead change? Does he ALWAYS pick up the correct lead when you ask? I don't necessarily train for a lead change like a reiner would. When I start one or even slow work on a finished horse, I always break gait to change. Go faster, and they figure it out.
You can work figure 8's on the fence to get one to switch - Judy Myllymaki drill I picked up at one of her clinics.
Yes he will do lead changes. has all the right buttons, fancy broke.
I wish i could post a video of him ...hang on let me go look for one. |
|
| |
|
Employee of the month
Posts: 7657
Location: gone crazy! | linds - 2015-08-12 1:45 PM Can you do a simple lead change? Does he ALWAYS pick up the correct lead when you ask? I don't necessarily train for a lead change like a reiner would. When I start one or even slow work on a finished horse, I always break gait to change. Go faster, and they figure it out.
You can work figure 8's on the fence to get one to switch - Judy Myllymaki drill I picked up at one of her clinics.
Yes he will do lead changes. has all the right buttons, fancy broke.
I wish i could post a video of him ...hang on let me go look for one. |
|
| |
|
Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | MissinGrey - 2015-08-12 1:40 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-08-12 9:40 AM Horses don't turn on the wrong lead because they are being bad.
I would say he is hurting somewhere and you can't see it with the diagnostics ou have used. I disagree, he's an A-hole.
I've had some of the best vets in Texas that specialize in lameness examine him. the ONLY thing we found was ulcers, he's been treated & since gone back for a check up & is fine. he just recently started it a month ago. Prior to that he would get ticked & throw a colt fit when he didn't get his way. Im guessing he didn't have to excert himself prior to coming to my barn...it appeared as soon as he would get "****y" they would back off & he would get his way. I made the mistake over a year ago of backing off him after he bucked with me between 2-3. However i have since started wearing my big girl panties & he isn't boss anymore. Now he's got to get over it & move on.....he puts up a good fight. & honestly he's come along ways believe it or not lol.
I've never had one swap a lead like that, but I'm no pro and I don't ride a ton of different horses. I do have one you can't pick at or fight with. I would try just pushing him through the turn and not "disciplining" him, if he's the type to come back at you (Mine's not dangerous, but the ride becomes unproductive if you argue).
I'm not a fan of circling the barrel usually, but I would perhaps circle the barrel until he gets on the correct lead and then proceed to the next one. He would learn that going corrrect is much less work. I wouldn't get upset, I would just keep pushing him forward until he turns correctly and on the lead he knows he should be on. |
|
| |
|
Employee of the month
Posts: 7657
Location: gone crazy! | ampratt - 2015-08-12 1:51 PM He maybe being a butt and horses are smart but I honestly don't think they have the capability to say.....I am going to do this right most of the time and then some times I am just going to intentionally change a lead at the last minute and throw her off and mess with her. If so, my horses are dumb as rocks because they would do it all the time to get out of working. Hope you get it figured out because I am sure it's frustrating as heck.
The only time he doesn't do it is at home. Don't get me wrong, he tries....but Its only when we haul somewhere. He knows, I can outlast his temper tantrum at home. He's one of those horses that would give you 110% after a "come to jesus meetin"
& yes its so frustrating.....He's very nice....I just wish we could get passed this. Maybe with time & age....who knows! The video below was right before he start this "habit" Third was my fault. the minute he feels weight in the saddle he turns.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwGvu95BLlw |
|
| |
|
Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Mine also hates a bit. He needed a bit more whoa than an S hack and I recently ordered the Ed Wright Swivel hack. I like it a lot. He's a bigger horse that can get too bendy, and he seems straighter and has the whoa I was looking for. I still have decent flex though. I like the feel of it.
ETA another thought... have you ever tried running him left first? His second barrel looked decent in your video. I only ask because mine is a lefty as well. LOL
Edited by barrelracr131 2015-08-12 2:22 PM
|
|
| |
|
Employee of the month
Posts: 7657
Location: gone crazy! | Ibarrelracr131 - 2015-08-12 2:14 PM MissinGrey - 2015-08-12 1:40 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-08-12 9:40 AM Horses don't turn on the wrong lead because they are being bad.
I would say he is hurting somewhere and you can't see it with the diagnostics ou have used. I disagree, he's an A-hole.
I've had some of the best vets in Texas that specialize in lameness examine him. the ONLY thing we found was ulcers, he's been treated & since gone back for a check up & is fine. he just recently started it a month ago. Prior to that he would get ticked & throw a colt fit when he didn't get his way. Im guessing he didn't have to excert himself prior to coming to my barn...it appeared as soon as he would get "****y" they would back off & he would get his way. I made the mistake over a year ago of backing off him after he bucked with me between 2-3. However i have since started wearing my big girl panties & he isn't boss anymore. Now he's got to get over it & move on.....he puts up a good fight. & honestly he's come along ways believe it or not lol.
I'm not a fan of circling the barrel usually, but I would perhaps circle the barrel until he gets on the correct lead and then proceed to the next one. He would learn that going corrrect is much less work. I wouldn't get upset, I would just keep pushing him forward until he turns correctly and on the lead he knows he should be on.
I don't typically pick a fight with him but i will wait it out....at home Im able to cool him out, get his mind on something else & go back to the issue. when i haul to a jackpot. its typically a flippin marathon so you don't really have the option of slowing things down. I've had them swap leads just being young & trying to figure out where to put their feet.. you back them down & make then take the time & there never really is an "issue" but this dude is testing my patience. He gets it....he just chooses to fight.
Here's another twist to the story....he won't do it with my husband. Riddle me that.....lol.... |
|
| |
|
Employee of the month
Posts: 7657
Location: gone crazy! | fulltiltfilly - 2015-08-12 1:47 PM Have you tried a combo bit? Maybe an O ring combo?
I have not.....i will look into this. |
|
| |
|
Employee of the month
Posts: 7657
Location: gone crazy! | MissinGrey - 2015-08-12 2:28 PM fulltiltfilly - 2015-08-12 1:47 PM Have you tried a combo bit? Maybe an O ring combo? I have not.....i will look into this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwGvu95BLlw
Here's a video. You can see his first is complete Roll back style & my hands where alittle too heavy. 2nd & 3rd when I don't sit down too soon are exact. Can you recommend anything to start with based off this video? |
|
| |
|
Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Do you have a video of your husband riding him? Maybe he cues at the first differently? |
|
| |
|
Employee of the month
Posts: 7657
Location: gone crazy! | barrelracr131 - 2015-08-12 2:51 PM Do you have a video of your husband riding him? Maybe he cues at the first differently? No I need to get one though.
The video I posted above doesn't show the issues we are having now. which is why im not ruling out its me. Im perfectly okay with me being the issue....easier to fix BUT How do i go from riding him properly (all the correct cue's) to not being able to..... this is just so frustrating....
The 1st int his video is all me....he is VERY light in the mouth so i can't pull on him at all so that was a jockey error on my part. His 2nd was perfect & his 3rd would have been but i sat way too soon, so we hit.
Edited by MissinGrey 2015-08-12 3:05 PM
|
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 227
Location: Heart of Texas | Without seeing what he's doing, it's very hard to say. But if he's running toward the barrel on the correct lead, then switches right before, and we can rule out any pain, maybe you're subtly cueing him too? Perhaps you're pushing your weight to the outside and picking him up too much?? Which instead of setting up for a turn, is actually making him change leads? If he's SUPER broke, he could be just be doing exactly what you're body is telling him to do? |
|
| |
|
Employee of the month
Posts: 7657
Location: gone crazy! | jewishprincess - 2015-08-12 3:37 PM Without seeing what he's doing, it's very hard to say. But if he's running toward the barrel on the correct lead, then switches right before, and we can rule out any pain, maybe you're subtly cueing him too? Perhaps you're pushing your weight to the outside and picking him up too much?? Which instead of setting up for a turn, is actually making him change leads? If he's SUPER broke, he could be just be doing exactly what you're body is telling him to do?
Very possible. He can't handle any weight in the saddle so you have to stay relaxed and only sit when its time to turn.
I need to find a video of a bad run. |
|
| |
|
 Party Girl
Posts: 12293
Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | When you figure it out will you tell me your secret? My sorrel mare will not pick up the left lead leaving first unless I slow her down. If we could get it figured out we will be golden and maybe I could actually start entering her.
She will pick up a lead from a stand still but won't do it on the pattern. She was also seen by a good vet our here 2 weeks ago and she saw no reason behind this. I had my SO get on and see if it was just me and it wasn't...
I am thinking I am going to start working her on the poles and see if it helps at all. |
|
| |
|
 Coyote Country Queen
Posts: 5666
| jewishprincess - 2015-08-12 3:37 PM
Without seeing what he's doing, it's very hard to say. But if he's running toward the barrel on the correct lead, then switches right before, and we can rule out any pain, maybe you're subtly cueing him too? Perhaps you're pushing your weight to the outside and picking him up too much?? Which instead of setting up for a turn, is actually making him change leads? If he's SUPER broke, he could be just be doing exactly what you're body is telling him to do?
This is what I was thinking. There were a few times that my really responsive gelding would pop into the right lead at the second barrel because I was picking up my outside rein. Fixed that bad habit of mine and he never did it again. If they are very broke and responsive and really listening to the rider, then you have to be so careful of every slight move you make. My guy was not very turny, and I'd gotten into that bad habit from riding one that was cheating me in the turns. He could just be being a jerk, but I like to give them the benefit of the doubt first and look very closely at how I'm riding to make sure I'm not the problem. |
|
| |
|
 Owner of a ratting catting machine
Posts: 2258
| Okay, please don't eat me! But, what vets have seen him? I know you said the best vets in Texas, but that varies. Have you had him to a lameness locator? Bone scan?
If he doesn't do it when your husband rides him, that makes me think that you're setting him up to soon, he's getting into the barrel with his shoulder, which forces him to throw his hip and blow his lead. Try keeping your outside leg into him going across the pen, and keeping your outside rein guiding him into his spot.
All just thoughts on my part... |
|
| |
|
 Born not Made
Posts: 2937
Location: North Dakota | As far as him FIGHTING you with the bit as you say he does, you really seem to move your hand down in your turns and keep your hand overly low. I know my horse Red doesn't like it when my hands go low like that.
What if you keep your hand up in the turn and try to "lift" instead of pull him around? More like this?
If she's as broke as you say she is, you really shouldn't need much of your hands on the reins at all. Use your seat and legs.
|
|
| |
|
 Expert
Posts: 1273
Location: South Dakota | r_beau - 2015-08-13 8:36 AM As far as him FIGHTING you with the bit as you say he does, you really seem to move your hand down in your turns and keep your hand overly low. I know my horse Red doesn't like it when my hands go low like that.
What if you keep your hand up in the turn and try to "lift" instead of pull him around? More like this?
If she's as broke as you say she is, you really shouldn't need much of your hands on the reins at all. Use your seat and legs.
My daughter was doing the same thing with the low hands and it made a huge diifference when we got her to lift. |
|
| |
Lead changes/Bit opinions