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Location: North Dakota | I'm been pondering this most of the year. Granted, with all his health problems (hopefully finally under control!!) and where we were last year, I am very happy with where Red is this year.
But if we could shave off about 1 second, he's consistently be at the top of the 1D. He has ran in the 1D on two occasions this year, and they both felt awesome. He just fired. I'm just trying to figure out how to get that each and every time. (Unfortunately, both times I did not get a video!) He tends to be a little slower on larger patterns (I've noticed) and is quicker on smaller patterns.
I know where we are losing the time because I did Interval Timing twice this year. Once in April and again last month. Both times, he has plenty of speed coming into the 1st barrel, his turns are usually good in the run, and he has plenty of speed on the way home. We lose about 1/2 a second between the 1st and second barrel, and about 1/2 a second between the 2nd and 3rd. Which adds up to our 1 second we normally place behind the winner.
I know he has the speed capability, because he can do it going to the 1st and heading for home. I think we are just lacking that "explosion" out of the turn and/or I am letting him slow up too much coming into the turn. I haven't been real good about taking consistent videos lately but I do have a few.
This was on Sunday. I am SO happy with his 1st barrel. He just nailed it and more importantly, it felt really, really nice. I'm not really sure what happened on the 2nd barrel and I had to bump him to make a move on the backside. 3rd barrel was 100% my fault. I took him in a little bit too wide, and since the barrel was so close to the chutes, he set up to turn too soon. My fault completely for not being aware of that. We were about 1 second off the winner.
https://youtu.be/k2kv1MDTF_g
This was from a weekend ago or so. He did nicely for me on the 1st (had to lift my leg to get around it!!) and the 2nd, but I"m not sure what I did on the 3rd barrel to cause that, or if it was simply b/c he over-ran it with all the space behind the 3rd barrel. We were about 1.3 second behind the winner, and I'm sure we lost at least 3 tenths on taking that 3rd barrel wide, if not more. Every once in a while, he runs past the 3rd barrel a little bit like that and I am not sure why, or if it is something I am doing.
https://youtu.be/lRmqKYqMg_M
I recently switched him from a Jr. Cowhorse (smooth mouth with dog bone roller) to a Little S Hack. I feel like he's a little happier with that. If I do need to help him in the turn, he seems less annoyed with me, haha. So I'm going to keep running with that for a while.
This was his 3rd best run of the year, in my opinion. It was at an amateur rodeo and he clocked less than 6 tenths off the winner. I was so very pleased. Well, I lost a little skin on the 3rd barrel coming out of it, but he couldn't have turned it any tighter.
https://youtu.be/TX8lAe1-mYs
This was definately not one of our best runs but I guess it's good to look at it too. I did purposefully slow him up for the 1st barrel. Earlier this year I was having trouble getting him to "lock" onto the barrel, instead of carrying his energy down the fence, so I wanted to make sure we nailed it. I THINK I finally have myself figured out on how I need to cue him to nail that 1st barrel, and not run past it.
https://youtu.be/bSQz77UdRCY
This is an example from earlier this year where he gets past the 1st barrel. Again, I THINK I have my cues figured out that I need to do to fix that. Please excuse the 3rd barrel; it was completely my fault. I let him start the turn too soon and then to "save it" I had to let him come out wide on the backside.
https://youtu.be/dileuJH60i4
So I guess what I am looking for are any TIPS or EXERCISES so that we can shave off about 1/2 second in-between our barrels? I know he can do it, because he has done it twice this year, but just trying to get him more consistent on it. He's in great shape. I usually give him 1 or 2 days off after a long weekend, but ride the rest of the week. I mostly ride on the trails, 4+ miles of trotting and loping. Most weeks, I will breeze him in the middle of the week, unless we have a big weekend coming up where I want to save his energy.
To briefly give a run-down of his health, he does have heel pain for which he is wearing a wedge pad with shoe on both front feet. He was injected last year which helped a ton. He *could* be injected this year but the vet cleared me to not do it, so I am holding off until next year and just doing Previcox *IF* we are going to have a long weekend and I think he would need it. He has a fusing hock on the right side which finally appears completely fused this year, but I did inject his hocks this spring just to be sure. Has the start of a bone spur on the left hock but does not yet seem to be bothering him. He has a mild catching stifle on the right side that will catch if I let him get strung out while trotting on the trail. If I keep him collected, then he doesn't do it. I make sure to incorporate hill work and backing up hills to keep it as strong as we can.
I always have him vet checked in the spring when I start legging him up, and mid-way through the season, and towards the end of the season. With all his known problems, I work very hard to stay on top of everything. He was just checked in June and for him, was the best he's ever been and I already have our next appointment in about 1 month.
And if he's only going to be a consistent 3D horse and an occasional 1D horse, that's okay. BUT if you see anything I could be doing better for him during our run riding-wise, I'm all ears. Of course, I'd love it if he were a consistent 1D horse!
....And if you read all that, kudos to you! 
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Location: North Dakota | Whew! I made it through...:) I asked how to get more run out of a horse to Lynn McKenzie when she was on here a couple months ago....My big Max doesn't run between barrels real good either and he just really lacks confidence some times. She told me #1 is to look at nutrition. I have Max on Summer Heat from Woody's and make dang sure he's getting enough (I thought it would make him hot) but our pastures are drying up so bad that I'm thinking these guys aren't getting enough anymore. Anyway, I sometimes feed him an extra meal before the race (not a bunch maybe 2-3 pounds) and it seems to help. May just be his maturity level shining through, but I thought it was interesting....maybe pack him a little extra feed the night before or morning of the race and see if it gives him a little more zip??? Easy enough to try.. Also, someone talked about the "break off" drill and my interpretation is you turn the second barrel and then haul the mail across the pen-not to the 3rd barrel but somewhere to the fence between the 1st and 2nd......kind of frees them up and appears to feel like a runaway but that has helped some too. Not sure my description is great but I think you could search for it on here....go back as far as you can in the search. |
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Location: North Dakota | Some horses you need to train that urgency into. One thing you can do is breeze your horse between the barrels but without actually turning them. Get the horse next to the first barrel and then haul butt to the fence behind 2nd. I mean whip and ride all the way across the pen and get that run. If you have trouble getting that quick burst ask the horse to first haul butt around the arena and then head to the barrel and run from one barrel to the other and stress that urgency. Again do not worry about turning. The point of this exercise is just to teach a horse how to open up in the arena. Once you get some more run you will want to slow back down and do actual pattern work and then put it all together. |
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Location: North Dakota | LMS: Yes, the pastures are getting pretty crunchy!! Where I board, they keep getting missed on the rain too. He is on pasture 24/7 and I give him a very small amount of Omolene 200 (maybe 2 measuring cups?) so that I can mix in his T.H.E. Muscle Mass custom blend with joint support. He gets that most every day, and he certainly gets it before a race. I have been meaning to weigh how much that Omolene 200 comes out to; I'll have to do that tonight. He never really needs extra groceries since he's on pasture 24/7 so I really try to only give him a little bit as a "treat".
Can you get the Summer Heat from around here? Does it seem to add weight to the horse? (With regular riding, I can keep Red looking okay but I'm always afraid to add more calories.)
Good idea on the drill except I don't think I quite understand. So I turn the 1st, turn the 2nd, and then go where?
We are doing Bismarck Horse Club tomorrow night. That's a cheap enough entry fee I could "haul @$$" on purpose just to try to get him freed up.
Just bring It: I will have to try that.
I don't know if it makes a difference or not but I do occassionally do other events with him: poles, keyhole, ring race, cup & water, etc etc so I know he knows how to RUN in the arena. But I can totally see how he would "forget" during the barrel run, since we do do that more than anything.
Once in a while, I will get my hands together enough to give him a pop with the over-and-under either between the 1st and 2nd or heading to 3rd, but I don't know if that made him run any faster? I'll maybe have to carry a whip a time or two (more accurate than the over-and-under) to see if I can "urge" him som emore. But I guess most of the time, I don't use anything. I don't run barrels with spurs and I will sometimes use the over-and-under on the way home but not always. Mostly, I feel kinda guilty for using other "aids" like that because I want him to have that desire to run on his own.
On his two 1D runs he had, I didn't use the over-and-under at all.
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Location: North Dakota | You can get Woody's feed at Gold Label in Bismarck. But if you're giving the omolene 200 I think I would just up that a day or two before a race. Give him a little pep in his step. The drill is turn first turn second and then haul rear across the pen to the opposite fence, like you're creating a run away. Don't turn the third, just get the anticipation of the run. Another drill I've been working on is turning only one barrel. I set it in the middle of the arena and haul the mail from what ever end/edge of the arena and really get them rolling and run off across the arena and come back around and turn it again *as fast as they can go. The bat/over and under might be a good idea too....go out and breeze him and show him that bat/ over and under a little-lite taps. Sometimes just wiggling your wrist with the bat or whip in hand will do the trick, I also smooch to my guy when I breeze him, try to use it during a run too...
I found a thread talking about the break off drill, it's been so long since I've done it I forgot about the counterarc at the second.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=439284&posts=14&mid=6847863&highlight=<span class='highlight'>Break</span>+<span class='highlight'>off</span>+<span class='highlight'>drill</span>&highlightmode=1&action=search#M6847863
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Location: North Dakota | Interesting link. Thanks!
I just measured his grain he normally gets every day with his T.H.E. And he gets about 1/2 a pound. So not much!!
I guess I could increase it and see what happens! I know the Omolene 200 has a lot of molasses (and why he likes it so much!). Is there something better? Is their molasses in the Woodys Summer Heat? |
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Location: Dearing, GA | So my advice would be to clean up your turns before you add any more speed between the barrels. If you can get the rate at the right spot and get him to really snap around those barrels, then speed will be useful to you between the barrels. However, if he can fly in between the barrels and still has inconsistent and sometimes sloppy turns, it won't matter. |
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| This horse is not striding out. I don't know what was wrong with him and do not know the horse. It could be anything from sore feet to a sore back or anything in between. My horse was doing this and he was body does from EPM. Not saying your horse has EPM buthe has a problem somewhere. You can see the horse is sore in the turns too. |
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Location: North Dakota | Just Let Me Run: To be honest, when we have a "bad turn", it usually is my fault for not cueing him right in some way. Most of the time. He's very broke and listens well to me, so if I make a mis-judgement on timing on my cues, that's on me. I don't do slow work very often anymore, but he does it perfectly and does exactly as I ask. One thing I probably *should* work on is that drill where you "spin" behind the barrel, to quicken his feet.
StreakSox: I have his health history description in my OP, but I do honestly feel like he is just a short-strided horse. Compared to my other horse, and other horses I have ridden, he just does not have a "ground covering" stride. And he's been that way since day one. However, even though his stride is the way it is, he still has speed.
I didn't post this video in the earlier bunch just because it's an "older" video from back in April. I didn't set him up right to start the run (have fixed that) and didn't set him up right for the first barrel (think I've finally figured out my cueing on that!) which resultantly messed up our entry to the 2nd barrel .... BUT! The point I want to make with showing this is that according to the Interval Timing on this race that had over 400 entries, his 3rd barrel was faster (or about the same) as the top 5 runs out of those 400+ runs, and his speed on the way home was actually a smidge FASTER than them. So I do know he has the speed capability, even if he doesn't feel like he has that long of a stride. I was actually pretty surprised to find that out from the IT. I really didn't think he was that fast based on how his stride feels to me, but I guess he is. Again, just have to figure out how to also get that in-between the barrels.
https://youtu.be/yKh6pVnuobg
I do regular chiropractic work on him as well, and he actually was just checked last night. He's always a little bit out in his withers and sometimes poll, but it's never severe.
Pretty sure he does not have EPM.
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| My experience has been that a horse can only go so fast no matter what. A lot of people seem to think that if they change this or that then they will all be 1D horses. Not the case. Your horse seems solid in the pattern, unless he is very young or something then thats the barrel horse he is. As for feeds you can go with whole oats, that will add some sting. You might want to try a round of Adequan or pentosan as well just to see if it smoothes him out. |
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Location: North Dakota | Yes summer heat has molasses, but again, if you're only feeding a half pound, try giving him a pound before a run-couple hours-see if it lights him up a little. I've watched this horse mature-he's coming and so are you.....just keep going-it takes a long time to get them solid for every trip. Have you ever noticed a connection to his speed when you give the previcoxx?? Maybe he needs that every run/day? |
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Location: North Dakota | Flittastic: Yes, as I said above, if he's only a consistent 3D horse and that's just what he is, then great! I'm happy with that. He tries hard for me. However, it's always nice to ask for opinions to see if there is anything else I could be doing for him, to help him reach that full potential.
He has already been on Adequan for over the past year.
LMS: So far for his two 1D runs, he was not on Previcox for them nor did I do anything "special" beforehand. He was rather being a butthead before the second of those two, so he was definately FIRED up and ready to go. Maybe a little more grain might be the ticket for that "spark"? I gave him 1 pound last night and he'll get 1 pound tonight before we race. I'm hoping someone "fast" is there tonight, so I can kinda compare his time he is getting.
His first 1D run was at the indoor at Beards this spring, and my jaw about hit the floor when they said my time of 14.313 (I think it was). It just felt flawless. I couldn't think of one thing to change about the run he did it so nicely. Again, he was not on Previcox and I didn't do anything special. I don't remember him being a butthead that day though, haha. Just his same ol' self! Overall, he definately has matured a lot.
So far this year, I have only given him Previcox to prepare for two different weekends that were going to be long. I also am giving him Previcox this week because he'll have a very, very long day on Sunday at a horse show. I am considering keeping him on it through district finals next weekend just to see how he does with it. I'm trying not to over-use it if I do not have to, and just making sure he gets proper rest.
Last year, he was on Previcox the entire second half of the year per Dr. Mez. His right hock wasn't completely fused last year and he was a still a little sore despite injections. This spring, it was amazing how different the x-ray looked and Lindsey said "it's about as fused as its gonna get". So that was good news.
For the most part, I kind plan on being done with him for the year in about a month, unless Lindsey says otherwise at his appointment toward the end of Sept. I would have liked to go to a few big October races but if he needs to be done, I'd rather do that then more injections or Previcoxx. I'll just go shoot pheasants instead. 
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Location: Midwest | Admittedly, I did not read this whole thread.
However, when I want a bit of an extra kick, I will give mine Healthy Coat a few days before the show. Does the trick! |
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Location: Phoenix | Have you ever breezed him out in the pasture or track? |
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Location: North Dakota | BarrelRacer131: Is that this supplement here? http://www.unitedvetequine.com/equine-supplements/Healthy-Coat-equine-supplements.asp?CAWELAID=120126050000019257&CAGPSPN=pla&catargetid=120126050000019817&cadevice=c&gclid=COycnKiQqccCFdCRHwodAw0LNA
HammerTime: I know my OP is lengthy, but as I stated above YES he is breezed on a regular basis and he looooooves it. He's like a kid in a candy shop when I let him run! I do it most weeks in the middle of the week (one night), unless we have a big long weekend coming up then I do not.
There's one stretch that is just a hair over 1/4 mile and that's really not long enough. He'll want to run farther than that! There's another stretch I can use that is probably almost 1/2 mile but not quite. And some days, he'll still be wanting to haul @$$ the ENTIRE length. He sure loves to run! Always amazing how that doesn't necessarily translate into the arena...... 
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Yes it is. Tractor Supply sells it in my area, along with some feed stores.
I had him on it all the time for a while... and yeah... while he looked fab, he was a hot mess. haha |
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Location: Texas | Just Bring It - 2015-08-13 11:39 AM Some horses you need to train that urgency into. One thing you can do is breeze your horse between the barrels but without actually turning them. Get the horse next to the first barrel and then haul butt to the fence behind 2nd. I mean whip and ride all the way across the pen and get that run. If you have trouble getting that quick burst ask the horse to first haul butt around the arena and then head to the barrel and run from one barrel to the other and stress that urgency. Again do not worry about turning. The point of this exercise is just to teach a horse how to open up in the arena. Once you get some more run you will want to slow back down and do actual pattern work and then put it all together.
I would be afraid to try that, I'm afraid it would backfire and I would be in worse shape. I have breezed my horse and he runs a lot faster then he does in the arena so I know it's not a feed problem, I have had him scoped so I know it's not a bleeding problem, I usually know when he's hurting somewhere because he'll start balking around the alley when it's time to inject hocks. He slows down when I whip, he's in good shape. I think he's just gotten use to this speed and decided he doesn't need to go any faster |
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| r_beau - 2015-08-14 8:27 AM
Just Let Me Run: To be honest, when we have a "bad turn", it usually is my fault for not cueing him right in some way. Most of the time. He's very broke and listens well to me, so if I make a mis-judgement on timing on my cues, that's on me. I don't do slow work very often anymore, but he does it perfectly and does exactly as I ask. One thing I probably *should* work on is that drill where you "spin" behind the barrel, to quicken his feet.
StreakSox: I have his health history description in my OP, but I do honestly feel like he is just a short-strided horse. Compared to my other horse, and other horses I have ridden, he just does not have a "ground covering" stride. And he's been that way since day one. However, even though his stride is the way it is, he still has speed.
I didn't post this video in the earlier bunch just because it's an "older" video from back in April. I didn't set him up right to start the run (have fixed that) and didn't set him up right for the first barrel (think I've finally figured out my cueing on that!) which resultantly messed up our entry to the 2nd barrel .... BUT! The point I want to make with showing this is that according to the Interval Timing on this race that had over 400 entries, his 3rd barrel was faster (or about the same) as the top 5 runs out of those 400+ runs, and his speed on the way home was actually a smidge FASTER than them. So I do know he has the speed capability, even if he doesn't feel like he has that long of a stride. I was actually pretty surprised to find that out from the IT. I really didn't think he was that fast based on how his stride feels to me, but I guess he is. Again, just have to figure out how to also get that in-between the barrels.
https://youtu.be/yKh6pVnuobg
I do regular chiropractic work on him as well, and he actually was just checked last night. He's always a little bit out in his withers and sometimes poll, but it's never severe.
Pretty sure he does not have EPM.
First of all, I said that MY horse had EPM and did not think that was your horse's problem. If you look at the slow motion of this video, look closely at the horse running out of the arena from the third barrel. Notice that the horse's front legs hardly reach past the horse's chest. Something is hindering the horse. Possibly a shoulder problem. This horse is not reaching out. |
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Location: Alberta | FLITASTIC - 2015-08-14 7:46 AM My experience has been that a horse can only go so fast no matter what. A lot of people seem to think that if they change this or that then they will all be 1D horses. Not the case. Your horse seems solid in the pattern, unless he is very young or something then thats the barrel horse he is. As for feeds you can go with whole oats, that will add some sting. You might want to try a round of Adequan or pentosan as well just to see if it smoothes him out.
I agree with this.....
My seasoned mare who is 13 I've done tons to fine tune her turns, breeze to get speed and in her career only hit the 1D a handful of times, which did include winning a jackpot. My 5 year old who had less then 20 competitive runs under his belt is running 5/10 off the leader (at his last jackpot) and he has not tapped all his gears....and him being young still have bobbles to adjust each time.
I think fine tuning the turns and breezing to free them up is great for any horse regardless of what division they run in. |
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Location: Oregon | Get him off the 24/7 pasture. Lock him up at least part of the time and feed him up with grain til he acts like a beast. Then see what he can do.
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| streakysox - 2015-08-14 11:03 PM
r_beau - 2015-08-14 8:27 AM
Just Let Me Run: To be honest, when we have a "bad turn", it usually is my fault for not cueing him right in some way. Most of the time. He's very broke and listens well to me, so if I make a mis-judgement on timing on my cues, that's on me. I don't do slow work very often anymore, but he does it perfectly and does exactly as I ask. One thing I probably *should* work on is that drill where you "spin" behind the barrel, to quicken his feet.
StreakSox: I have his health history description in my OP, but I do honestly feel like he is just a short-strided horse. Compared to my other horse, and other horses I have ridden, he just does not have a "ground covering" stride. And he's been that way since day one. However, even though his stride is the way it is, he still has speed.
I didn't post this video in the earlier bunch just because it's an "older" video from back in April. I didn't set him up right to start the run (have fixed that) and didn't set him up right for the first barrel (think I've finally figured out my cueing on that!) which resultantly messed up our entry to the 2nd barrel .... BUT! The point I want to make with showing this is that according to the Interval Timing on this race that had over 400 entries, his 3rd barrel was faster (or about the same) as the top 5 runs out of those 400+ runs, and his speed on the way home was actually a smidge FASTER than them. So I do know he has the speed capability, even if he doesn't feel like he has that long of a stride. I was actually pretty surprised to find that out from the IT. I really didn't think he was that fast based on how his stride feels to me, but I guess he is. Again, just have to figure out how to also get that in-between the barrels.
https://youtu.be/yKh6pVnuobg
I do regular chiropractic work on him as well, and he actually was just checked last night. He's always a little bit out in his withers and sometimes poll, but it's never severe.
Pretty sure he does not have EPM.
First of all, I said that MY horse had EPM and did not think that was your horse's problem. If you look at the slow motion of this video, look closely at the horse running out of the arena from the third barrel. Notice that the horse's front legs hardly reach past the horse's chest. Something is hindering the horse. Possibly a shoulder problem. This horse is not reaching out.
Correct me if I am wrong but this horse has had front end issues last year, I am thinking navicular or something along the lines.
With front end issues this can cause the horse not to stretch out and fire.
Interval timing can give people the false hope, did the interval timing have the mph? |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-08-15 9:49 PM
streakysox - 2015-08-14 11:03 PM
r_beau - 2015-08-14 8:27 AM
Just Let Me Run: To be honest, when we have a "bad turn", it usually is my fault for not cueing him right in some way. Most of the time. He's very broke and listens well to me, so if I make a mis-judgement on timing on my cues, that's on me. I don't do slow work very often anymore, but he does it perfectly and does exactly as I ask. One thing I probably *should* work on is that drill where you "spin" behind the barrel, to quicken his feet.
StreakSox: I have his health history description in my OP, but I do honestly feel like he is just a short-strided horse. Compared to my other horse, and other horses I have ridden, he just does not have a "ground covering" stride. And he's been that way since day one. However, even though his stride is the way it is, he still has speed.
I didn't post this video in the earlier bunch just because it's an "older" video from back in April. I didn't set him up right to start the run (have fixed that) and didn't set him up right for the first barrel (think I've finally figured out my cueing on that!) which resultantly messed up our entry to the 2nd barrel .... BUT! The point I want to make with showing this is that according to the Interval Timing on this race that had over 400 entries, his 3rd barrel was faster (or about the same) as the top 5 runs out of those 400+ runs, and his speed on the way home was actually a smidge FASTER than them. So I do know he has the speed capability, even if he doesn't feel like he has that long of a stride. I was actually pretty surprised to find that out from the IT. I really didn't think he was that fast based on how his stride feels to me, but I guess he is. Again, just have to figure out how to also get that in-between the barrels.
https://youtu.be/yKh6pVnuobg
I do regular chiropractic work on him as well, and he actually was just checked last night. He's always a little bit out in his withers and sometimes poll, but it's never severe.
Pretty sure he does not have EPM.
First of all, I said that MY horse had EPM and did not think that was your horse's problem. If you look at the slow motion of this video, look closely at the horse running out of the arena from the third barrel. Notice that the horse's front legs hardly reach past the horse's chest. Something is hindering the horse. Possibly a shoulder problem. This horse is not reaching out.
Correct me if I am wrong but this horse has had front end issues last year, I am thinking navicular or something along the lines.
With front end issues this can cause the horse not to stretch out and fire.
Interval timing can give people the false hope, did the interval timing have the mph?
This is apparently a small horse because she said it had a short stride. I tried to find a video of Stingray or Babyflo who are both very short. I could not really find one where you could actually see the reach on the horse. There are a few small horses around here that reach so far that their foot is almost straight out from their chest. Tough little suckers and hard to beat. That Tanner time is a gimmick. It will give a horse a speed index that is false and totally meaningless. I have even seen horses advertised for sale with some speed index determined by Tanner time. Even a speed index of the track has little meaning in the barrel world. |
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| streakysox - 2015-08-15 10:13 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-08-15 9:49 PM
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r_beau - 2015-08-14 8:27 AM
Just Let Me Run: To be honest, when we have a "bad turn", it usually is my fault for not cueing him right in some way. Most of the time. He's very broke and listens well to me, so if I make a mis-judgement on timing on my cues, that's on me. I don't do slow work very often anymore, but he does it perfectly and does exactly as I ask. One thing I probably *should* work on is that drill where you "spin" behind the barrel, to quicken his feet.
StreakSox: I have his health history description in my OP, but I do honestly feel like he is just a short-strided horse. Compared to my other horse, and other horses I have ridden, he just does not have a "ground covering" stride. And he's been that way since day one. However, even though his stride is the way it is, he still has speed.
I didn't post this video in the earlier bunch just because it's an "older" video from back in April. I didn't set him up right to start the run (have fixed that) and didn't set him up right for the first barrel (think I've finally figured out my cueing on that!) which resultantly messed up our entry to the 2nd barrel .... BUT! The point I want to make with showing this is that according to the Interval Timing on this race that had over 400 entries, his 3rd barrel was faster (or about the same) as the top 5 runs out of those 400+ runs, and his speed on the way home was actually a smidge FASTER than them. So I do know he has the speed capability, even if he doesn't feel like he has that long of a stride. I was actually pretty surprised to find that out from the IT. I really didn't think he was that fast based on how his stride feels to me, but I guess he is. Again, just have to figure out how to also get that in-between the barrels.
https://youtu.be/yKh6pVnuobg
I do regular chiropractic work on him as well, and he actually was just checked last night. He's always a little bit out in his withers and sometimes poll, but it's never severe.
Pretty sure he does not have EPM.
First of all, I said that MY horse had EPM and did not think that was your horse's problem. If you look at the slow motion of this video, look closely at the horse running out of the arena from the third barrel. Notice that the horse's front legs hardly reach past the horse's chest. Something is hindering the horse. Possibly a shoulder problem. This horse is not reaching out.
Correct me if I am wrong but this horse has had front end issues last year, I am thinking navicular or something along the lines.
With front end issues this can cause the horse not to stretch out and fire.
Interval timing can give people the false hope, did the interval timing have the mph?
This is apparently a small horse because she said it had a short stride. I tried to find a video of Stingray or Babyflo who are both very short. I could not really find one where you could actually see the reach on the horse. There are a few small horses around here that reach so far that their foot is almost straight out from their chest. Tough little suckers and hard to beat. That Tanner time is a gimmick. It will give a horse a speed index that is false and totally meaningless. I have even seen horses advertised for sale with some speed index determined by Tanner time. Even a speed index of the track has little meaning in the barrel world.
The thing I am thinking is if the interval timing has mph she can compare the mph from start to first, first to second, and see if the horse is really loosing |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-08-15 11:56 PM
streakysox - 2015-08-15 10:13 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-08-15 9:49 PM
streakysox - 2015-08-14 11:03 PM
r_beau - 2015-08-14 8:27 AM
Just Let Me Run: To be honest, when we have a "bad turn", it usually is my fault for not cueing him right in some way. Most of the time. He's very broke and listens well to me, so if I make a mis-judgement on timing on my cues, that's on me. I don't do slow work very often anymore, but he does it perfectly and does exactly as I ask. One thing I probably *should* work on is that drill where you "spin" behind the barrel, to quicken his feet.
StreakSox: I have his health history description in my OP, but I do honestly feel like he is just a short-strided horse. Compared to my other horse, and other horses I have ridden, he just does not have a "ground covering" stride. And he's been that way since day one. However, even though his stride is the way it is, he still has speed.
I didn't post this video in the earlier bunch just because it's an "older" video from back in April. I didn't set him up right to start the run (have fixed that) and didn't set him up right for the first barrel (think I've finally figured out my cueing on that!) which resultantly messed up our entry to the 2nd barrel .... BUT! The point I want to make with showing this is that according to the Interval Timing on this race that had over 400 entries, his 3rd barrel was faster (or about the same) as the top 5 runs out of those 400+ runs, and his speed on the way home was actually a smidge FASTER than them. So I do know he has the speed capability, even if he doesn't feel like he has that long of a stride. I was actually pretty surprised to find that out from the IT. I really didn't think he was that fast based on how his stride feels to me, but I guess he is. Again, just have to figure out how to also get that in-between the barrels.
https://youtu.be/yKh6pVnuobg
I do regular chiropractic work on him as well, and he actually was just checked last night. He's always a little bit out in his withers and sometimes poll, but it's never severe.
Pretty sure he does not have EPM.
First of all, I said that MY horse had EPM and did not think that was your horse's problem. If you look at the slow motion of this video, look closely at the horse running out of the arena from the third barrel. Notice that the horse's front legs hardly reach past the horse's chest. Something is hindering the horse. Possibly a shoulder problem. This horse is not reaching out.
Correct me if I am wrong but this horse has had front end issues last year, I am thinking navicular or something along the lines.
With front end issues this can cause the horse not to stretch out and fire.
Interval timing can give people the false hope, did the interval timing have the mph?
This is apparently a small horse because she said it had a short stride. I tried to find a video of Stingray or Babyflo who are both very short. I could not really find one where you could actually see the reach on the horse. There are a few small horses around here that reach so far that their foot is almost straight out from their chest. Tough little suckers and hard to beat. That Tanner time is a gimmick. It will give a horse a speed index that is false and totally meaningless. I have even seen horses advertised for sale with some speed index determined by Tanner time. Even a speed index of the track has little meaning in the barrel world.
The thing I am thinking is if the interval timing has mph she can compare the mph from start to first, first to second, and see if the horse is really loosing
Interval timing is a gimmick that someone charges competitors for. It does time in MPH or something comparable. All of it is pretty subjective. If there are 400 barrel racers at a barrel race that are pretty fair competitors, you might have one of the fastest times running out. Around here we run against WPRA girls, horses that have won the slot race at the BBR etc. on a regular basis. Our small barrel races have 150 and you have to run a good solid normal 3D time to win the 5D. So like I said, interval timing is very subjective and as CM said it gives you a false hope. If they told people repeatedly that their time running out was 75th out of 90, people would not spend their money on the interval timing. |
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Location: North Dakota | StreakySox: I'm not really sure how you can tell how far he is reaching on that particular video, as he leaves the 3rd barrel, due to the camera angle. He's doing the best he can. I can't change his conformation and if that's as far as he can reach, then that's just how it is.
This was just a couple weeks ago:
He is missing part of the muscle on the front side of his elbow (I don't know the technical term for it) on the left front leg. I was told when he was a yearling, he was kicked by another horse and they couldn't save the muscle. I've never taken a specific picture of it, but you can kinda see it in the photo above. I've never noticed that it bothers him, nor have my vets, unless it does somehow affect his stride.
I wouldn't call him a small horse. He's about 15.2 hands and weighs about 1,200 pounds when he is in shape.
The interval timing I did does not do MPH or speed index. It simply breaks the pattern down into pieces and compares your "times" to the top 5 individuals and their average. I do not see how that is "subjective". The clock is the clock.
CrapShooter: Thank you for the suggestion ..... but that's okay. I'd rather have a 3D horse who gets to be healthy on pasture 24/7, than the health issues associated with keeping a horse locked up. IMO
Cheryl: He does not have navicular. As I stated in my OP, he has heel pain on both front feet, worse on the front left. It is believed to be caused by an internal bursitis that can only be confirmed via MRI. Since it would not change the treatment protocol, my vets and I agree not to spend the money on one. We are managing him with wedge pads, injections (have only done that once so far), and Previcox when needed.
I looked at the interval timing and they do not have MPH. They only timed how long it took you to complete each piece of the pattern, and compared you to the top 5 runners individual times, as well as the average time pieces of those top 5. On the whole, he took longer to get from the 1st to the 2nd and longer to get from the 2nd to the 3rd, than did the winners of the race. The rest of the pattern (going to first, going around first, going around 2nd, going around 3rd, running home) he was about the same time.
I have EquiTrak on my own phone that I use sometimes when I ride. On a straight-away when I breeze him athome, that has clocked him at 37 MPH for his top speed. I've never really carried my phone with me when we've done a barrel run, but I might try that and see if it gives me a reading on his top speed.
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Location: Oregon | Seriously? Horses don't have to be sick or unhealthy being in a non pasture situation. You don't have to stall them just a paddock or something and turn them out a few hours a day. Unless they are a hard keeper or something but I don't see how you can keep the weight off or give them proper nutrition for top performance with pasture 24/7. The pasture life is great but not many top athletes get to eat at Golden Corral every day, all day. You can't feed all the grass they can eat and 1/2 lb of grain and expect optimum performance.
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Location: Mi | r_beau - 2015-08-13 9:36 PM Interesting link. Thanks!
I just measured his grain he normally gets every day with his T.H.E. And he gets about 1/2 a pound. So not much!!
I guess I could increase it and see what happens! I know the Omolene 200 has a lot of molasses (and why he likes it so much!). Is there something better? Is their molasses in the Woodys Summer Heat?
Not to start anything, but if you read the omolene 200 bag, I'm willing to bet its feeding requirements for your horse to reach its nutritional requirements each day is 6-8 lbs, and you're only feeding a half pound. So hes not getting near the nutrients he needs each day. Just something to consider. Im a dealer of Tribute and I don't know if you have any dealers around you, but I'd look for a feed that you can feed less of to get those requirments. Not saying you have to feed tribute or pushing it only suggesting to maybe look for something different.
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Location: North Dakota | If your horse has a short stride he is not going to clock as fast as those horses with long strides on the straights because he can't cover as much ground. Compare your horses stride to this mare's stride. She is roughly 15-15.1h with a nice reach. This mare clocks even without always having the best turns. I'm sure you can get a little more umph out of your gelding but like you said you can't change the way he is built.
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| r_beau - 2015-08-17 9:02 AM
StreakySox: I'm not really sure how you can tell how far he is reaching on that particular video, as he leaves the 3rd barrel, due to the camera angle. He's doing the best he can. I can't change his conformation and if that's as far as he can reach, then that's just how it is.
This was just a couple weeks ago:
He is missing part of the muscle on the front side of his elbow (I don't know the technical term for it) on the left front leg. I was told when he was a yearling, he was kicked by another horse and they couldn't save the muscle. I've never taken a specific picture of it, but you can kinda see it in the photo above. I've never noticed that it bothers him, nor have my vets, unless it does somehow affect his stride.
I wouldn't call him a small horse. He's about 15.2 hands and weighs about 1,200 pounds when he is in shape.
The interval timing I did does not do MPH or speed index. It simply breaks the pattern down into pieces and compares your "times" to the top 5 individuals and their average. I do not see how that is "subjective". The clock is the clock.
CrapShooter: Thank you for the suggestion ..... but that's okay. I'd rather have a 3D horse who gets to be healthy on pasture 24/7, than the health issues associated with keeping a horse locked up. IMO
Cheryl: He does not have navicular. As I stated in my OP, he has heel pain on both front feet, worse on the front left. It is believed to be caused by an internal bursitis that can only be confirmed via MRI. Since it would not change the treatment protocol, my vets and I agree not to spend the money on one. We are managing him with wedge pads, injections (have only done that once so far), and Previcox when needed.
I looked at the interval timing and they do not have MPH. They only timed how long it took you to complete each piece of the pattern, and compared you to the top 5 runners individual times, as well as the average time pieces of those top 5. On the whole, he took longer to get from the 1st to the 2nd and longer to get from the 2nd to the 3rd, than did the winners of the race. The rest of the pattern (going to first, going around first, going around 2nd, going around 3rd, running home) he was about the same time.
I have EquiTrak on my own phone that I use sometimes when I ride. On a straight-away when I breeze him athome, that has clocked him at 37 MPH for his top speed. I've never really carried my phone with me when we've done a barrel run, but I might try that and see if it gives me a reading on his top speed.
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Location: wolverton,mn | Personally,I think Sara was spot on when she suggested ways to " tune" the horse up to really run in the ARENA.
Amazing what a tune up will do for a horse that has gotten along with just cruising through.
I have a training horse at my horse for that very reason right now,huge difference a hour made! |
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| Just Bring It - 2015-08-17 6:37 PM
If your horse has a short stride he is not going to clock as fast as those horses with long strides on the straights because he can't cover as much ground. Compare your horses stride to this mare's stride. She is roughly 15-15.1h with a nice reach. This mare clocks even without always having the best turns. I'm sure you can get a little more umph out of your gelding but like you said you can't change the way he is built.
That is the way a horse is supposed to reach. Looks good
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Location: Dubach, LA | Just Bring It - That is the coolest thing I've ever seen! |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | CanCan - 2015-08-18 3:37 AM Just Bring It - That is the coolest thing I've ever seen!
Lol. My exact thought. And now I'm looking for a picture of my mare to see comparison. :-) |
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Location: North Dakota | streakysox - 2015-08-17 10:51 PM Just Bring It - 2015-08-17 6:37 PM If your horse has a short stride he is not going to clock as fast as those horses with long strides on the straights because he can't cover as much ground. Compare your horses stride to this mare's stride. She is roughly 15-15.1h with a nice reach. This mare clocks even without always having the best turns. I'm sure you can get a little more umph out of your gelding but like you said you can't change the way he is built.
That is the way a horse is supposed to reach. Looks good
Thanks! Yeah she is fun one that is for sure. Very gritty and gives her all with each run. |
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Location: North Dakota | CanCan - 2015-08-18 5:37 AM Just Bring It - That is the coolest thing I've ever seen!
Thanks! I thought it turned out pretty cool. I was going to just do one pic on top of the other and then I got the neat idea to make one a little more clear and overlay them and see how it looked. |
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Location: Saskatchewan | I kind of agree with taking him off pasture, my moms rope horse gets stiff/sore in the front end left on full pasture. I have Squiggs on the same program too, just so she isn't fed too much green stuff.
They get a slow feed hay net during the day and locked up in the corral and turned out to graze from 7pm-about 8am. Its not a bad idea at all. I'd give it a shot with ol Red if I were in your position. I cant say anything about feeding him hotter cause I'm feeding my horse cooler lol
Some horses though, just don't have IT to stretch out like you want them too. Whether its conformation related or health related there might be nothing you can do.
Miss Squiggs isn't built like your typical barrel horse, she's 15.3 hh and built like a brick house. She's a very old style built QH, feathers and all. She doesn't look like she should be able to stretch out like she does but she's got a big heart and tries it out for me every time.
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| I watched your videos and while I do feel your horse is somewhat limited by his athletic ability, you are loosing time by not having straight lines between your first and second and second and third. Every step out of a straight line is going to cost you at least 2 tenths (according to research done by Tanner Time and Lynn Mckenzie 10+ years ago if I remember correct). You are taking at least 2 steps out of your straight lines coming out rounded from your first and second barrels.
Also, on your intervals you may have a fast turn on your third because you had a slow approach in (which shows on your line from 2 - 3). You have to read your report in segments, sometimes you had a fast turn, but at the expense of the straights. You want to work to having a balanced report.
You could put cones or tires out in your slow work to ensure you are finishing and leaving each barrel straight and approaching the next one straight. |
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Location: Phoenix | I like your amateur rodeo run the best. I would try working on the squares exercise. It will eliminate extra steps and have you working on straight lines. Ditto what someone else said about the feed--he's probably not getting enough nutrients. He's healthy enough, but nutrient levels are low. |
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Location: North Dakota | Spinner28 - 2015-08-19 2:39 PM I watched your videos and while I do feel your horse is somewhat limited by his athletic ability, you are loosing time by not having straight lines between your first and second and second and third. Every step out of a straight line is going to cost you at least 2 tenths (according to research done by Tanner Time and Lynn Mckenzie 10+ years ago if I remember correct). You are taking at least 2 steps out of your straight lines coming out rounded from your first and second barrels. Also, on your intervals you may have a fast turn on your third because you had a slow approach in (which shows on your line from 2 - 3). You have to read your report in segments, sometimes you had a fast turn, but at the expense of the straights. You want to work to having a balanced report. You could put cones or tires out in your slow work to ensure you are finishing and leaving each barrel straight and approaching the next one straight.
Great tips. Thank you.
Even on this run? I feel like we left the 1st barrel and the 2nd barrel pretty straight. (Of course, the 3rd barrel was a mess.) I certainly could have come into the 2nd barrel with a little less pocket, though.
https://youtu.be/lRmqKYqMg_M
Were my lines good on this one? https://youtu.be/TX8lAe1-mYs
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| For sure, much better in those runs. I think you described your Dickinson run right and your Jamestown one looked pretty good. You would have lost 2-3 tenths by coming in so wide at second (freeze frame it at 19 and 20 secs). You also came into your first pretty cautious (slow).
Another interesting thing that can be noted from the intervals is that if you turn too tight it will look like you have a fast barrel turn but it will show up as looking like a slow straight. Your first barrel in both those videos is quite tight and all of them in the Jamestown video. If you watch in the slow motion you will see it takes your horse at least 3 strides out of the barrel before it reaches its top speed again before slowing down for the next turn. This is where making a tight turn isn't time saving if it ends up your horse looses too much momentum and takes more time than it took you to make the turn, to speed back up again. Your horse looks super honest as it looks like he's actually maneuvering to not hit :)
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| crapshooter - 2015-08-17 2:13 PM Seriously? Horses don't have to be sick or unhealthy being in a non pasture situation. You don't have to stall them just a paddock or something and turn them out a few hours a day. Unless they are a hard keeper or something but I don't see how you can keep the weight off or give them proper nutrition for top performance with pasture 24/7. The pasture life is great but not many top athletes get to eat at Golden Corral every day, all day. You can't feed all the grass they can eat and 1/2 lb of grain and expect optimum performance.
Crapshooter please post more! I miss your posts! The Golden Corral line made me really LOL! Now, I want one of their hot rolls. haha |
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Location: North Dakota | I just can't believe it.
When I went out to the horses yesterday, I discovered this.
He cut up the same leg in almost the exact same place he did about 1 1/2 years ago. I am just sick right now. Absolutely sick.
Yes, that is BONE that is showing.
I am just shaking my head. I don't know how one horse can have so many health problems and be so accident prone. I am defeated and frustrated beyond belief.
I have two horses and neither of them can be ridden now. What the hell?
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| Well, looks like you have all the luck. I would be out in the pasture figuring out where he got cut and eliminating the problem. There should be some hair and skin left behind. |
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Location: Arkansas | Wow!! I am so sorry! That's a terrible injury to take care of I'm sure! Hugs and prayers sent your way!! Stay strong, everything happens for a reason!  |
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | Looks like a wire cut...straight not barbed.
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Location: Arkansas | That's awful. . . . Many prayers for a fast and complete healing. I can't imagine how you're feeling right now, but please remember he will heal and everyone's praying for you and him. |
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| I'm so sorry, We had a 5 year old do that a few years ago. His only took off the first few layers though, that is devastating. |
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Location: North Dakota | I walked the entire pasture, as did my BO, and neither of us could find anything. All wires were perfectly intact. So I have no clue what he got into.
Just unbelievable that he cut the same leg in the same fashion in almost the same place, within 2 years. Grrrrrr. |
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Location: Southern Oregon | Many prayers, we had a gelding several years back that had that exact same type of injury. Cut his on a piece of tin siding that flew off the barn during a huge storm. |
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Location: Phoenix | Oh my JESUS I can't even look. I don't even think I would have the stomach to try and horse it off, let alone doctor that. Hugs and prayers for a healthy recovery!!! |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | get yourself some honey (pure unpasterized honey) and some dam good anitbiotics.....i just had a mare go around with our long horn bull and he got her in the guts....and i have used honey on it and the results are unreal, i used a diaper and wrapped it..........that leg would be so much easier to wrap than my mares belly....good luck and i know its hard to see the end at this point but it can be amazing what horses can pull through....
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Wow - that is a bad one! That is just depressing as can be...my accident prone one just did something similar last weekend on the field fence...I was truly sick as she was just healing up from a different injury that had her laid up for 3 months now she got herself on the back of her pastern and took a huge piece of heel/hoof off too along with the deep cut/hanging skin and blood everywhere. It seems like everytime I got her up and running good she'd go and hurt herself...drive me nuts so I feel your pain. Hope your guy heals up and sooo sorry to see you going through this :-( Sending well wishes your way!! |
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Location: North Dakota | mruggles - 2015-08-24 12:09 PM get yourself some honey (pure unpasterized honey) and some dam good anitbiotics.....i just had a mare go around with our long horn bull and he got her in the guts....and i have used honey on it and the results are unreal, i used a diaper and wrapped it..........that leg would be so much easier to wrap than my mares belly....good luck and i know its hard to see the end at this point but it can be amazing what horses can pull through....
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I have heard the honey route. I'm a little scared to try it this early when the bone is still exposed. Maybe wait until the bone is at least covered??
He is on doxycycline. I'm giving it to him twice a day, as per the vet instructions. I have to load it into a syringe and give it to him b/c he won't eat it. However, he doesn't seem to mind the applesauce I am mixing it with, so that's a good thing!
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | I healed one up that cut down to her bone the whole length of her cannon bone...she has a scar but she is sound and back to barrels. I consulted Dr. Jolly and followed his instructions to a T used the QuickDerm product which I now keep on hand at all times. It was a lot of work but can be done. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | ME AND DEE - 2015-08-23 5:08 PM
I have seen this before. If you have a smooth wire fence that is lower to the ground and something makes them kick, when they retract their legs it slices them just like that.
Agree I had high tensile wire fence my mare was kicking out at horse flies sliced her back leg same as yours and to the bone. Hence I will never use high tensile wire again. We used the 7 day bandages/ wrap for nearly 9 months and she did return to complete soundness and running barrels. |
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| We had a mare come through the clinic a few years ago. She got strung up bad in a high tensile fence. She healed up fantastically with diligent care on the owners part.
Edit to add - She's 100% sound to ride, also. We use vetricyn.
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Clean it up and put raw egg whites on it. It will keep it from scaring and heal faster.use a pant leg to cover as you can pull it up high and tape and down to the hoof for full coverage. So sorry this happed. |
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Location: North Dakota | Oh my goodness FlyingHigh! I thought Red's was bad for "showing bone". That's terrible.
Just an FYI to those who are mentioning it: He was not kept in high tensile wire.
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| r_beau - 2015-08-25 10:52 AM
Oh my goodness FlyingHigh! I thought Red's was bad for "showing bone". That's terrible.
Just an FYI to those who are mentioning it: He was not kept in high tensile wire.
I wasn't assuming he was, but that's what happned to that mare and she made a full recovery and was back in a full workout schedule in only 16 months. Now she runs competitively again, barely even notice the scar on her leg. So as long as you take good care of him and work hard with your vet, hopefully he'll make a great recovery too! |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | My daughters jackpot gelding was just as bad and he healed up fine and you can just see a little line in his hair. We used Corona's cow salve. It has bee's wax in it so it never dries out. What ever you use never let the skin dry as that is what caused scar tissue. |
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Location: Northern MN | Wow...I don't know that I could doctor that...I can hardly look either!! Best of luck to you!! |
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Location: Northern MN | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-08-24 11:46 PM We had a mare come through the clinic a few years ago. She got strung up bad in a high tensile fence. She healed up fantastically with diligent care on the owners part. Edit to add - She's 100% sound to ride, also. We use vetricyn.
I have never seen anything like that...Amazing that she is sound!! Awesome Care!! |
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| That's an ugly wound, but it will heal up fine if you are diligent. I would use sugardine on that for now. It is great at keeping out infection and soothing to the wound. Doesn't sting or burn. I've had wounds that were nasty infected and in about 4 days looked amazing. Keep her antibiotic doses as consistent timewise as you can. That will keep the drug levels as even as possible. Good luck! |
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Location: North Dakota | Yup, he's consistently getting the antibiotic at about 7 AM before work and again at 6:30-7:00 PM when I get done with work.
I'm watching that skin flap oh so close, and just praying that it doesn't die! 
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Location: on my horse | r_beau - 2015-08-26 9:18 AM
Yup, he's consistently getting the antibiotic at about 7 AM before work and again at 6:30-7:00 PM when I get done with work.
I'm watching that skin flap oh so close, and just praying that it doesn't die!
another thing to check is if there's an irrigation ditch or pipe in the pasture. One of my friends' horses did a similar number on a hind leg on a concrete irrigation pipe just skinned himself to the bone.
Quoting this reply because I didn't want to go find the initial picture and look at it again )= I'm so sorry you've got both horses down and out. With your diligence and your vet's help I'm sure you'll get him healed up well. |
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Location: Arkansas | r_beau - 2015-08-26 10:18 AM
Yup, he's consistently getting the antibiotic at about 7 AM before work and again at 6:30-7:00 PM when I get done with work.
I'm watching that skin flap oh so close, and just praying that it doesn't die!
I thought about you and your guy this afternoon. . . My son called me while I was fixing feed and wanted to know when we were coming to the barn----told him about 15 minutes and asked why. He said "bring cream, Faci is bleeding on his back leg." Long story short, Chandler was on his pond levee and two of the horses wouldn't move for him. These horses have been in this situation thousands of times, but for some reason when C honked, Faci kicked the winch on the front of the truck with both feet. (Just can't make y'all know how out of character this is for this horse.) Somehow he skinned both his hocks (back of them) pretty good. Took whole layer of skin off about 5 inches long on right leg and about 2 inches wide on left leg. (Even left hide on the winch.) It was nothing near as bad as your boy's leg, but I still could have cried. So sending more prayers your way cause I know how worried I am about mine, and I know you have more issues to deal with on your injury. |
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Location: Northern MN | Just thinking about this horse and wondering how is it doing?
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Location: Sunny So Cal | oh no oh no oh no!!! I'm so sorry!! sending positive vibes and a speedy recovery. I would start him on some NutraWOUND asap! praying |
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Location: North Dakota | Red's doing well. Had him to the vet last week to clean up around the skin flap, since it did NOT survive.
Vet was very impressed with how it looked, 2 weeks out. And I am too. It's really filled in good already. We even had to knock a little bit of it back with some hydrocortisone.
I am watching the spot above the bone to make sure it heals and isn't a gaping hole and oozing ... which would indicate we have a fragmented piece of bone. But so far so good. We'll see tonight when I change his bandage.
It's also promising that he tries to trot ahead of me when I lead him out to hand-eat some grass each night. Doesn't seem to bother him in the slightest! So I am hoping he will heal 100% sound.
This was day 14.
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That looks great! It's always a pain when they get hurt, but nice thing is... these things tend to heal quickly with some TLC. Good luck!
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| That looks very nice for how serious the injury was. I bet he'll hardly have a scar when its all said and done. He's healing pretty fast too! Only 2 weeks and it looks a lot better than it was. |
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Location: North Dakota | grinandbareit - 2015-09-09 12:48 PM That looks great! It's always a pain when they get hurt, but nice thing is... these things tend to heal quickly with some TLC. Good luck!
Vet said he should be about ready to ride when the snow flies.  Go figure! |
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Location: Northern MN | Oh Wow...I never would have thought it would look that good so soon!! Great job!! I hope everything works out. Thanks for the pic's  |
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