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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | The mare in my profile picture has been bred to AQHA horses only so far.
2014 Perkolatin
and now due for 2016 to John Fame.
this mare is and Overo so cannot be bred to any overo gene carriers. I'd like to actually have a chance for some color this time seeing as ill bet money i'll be getting another Solid foal.
I would really like to breed her to an APHA stallion for 2016 and im having a hard time remembering whats PROVEN paint sires are out there.
So i need suggestions.
I've already Looked at Lazy Susan ranch and Lone Star and possibly considering one of their studs.
Must be at least 15.2 and would like something with a short strong top line as my mare is a little long. ( She's a little hot, so something with a cool head wouldnt be bad either.)
SO please throw out the ones that come to the top of your head.
Pictures are of her 2014 Colt as a yearling. Just to show what she throws as I don't have any current conformmation shots of her.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Just something to think about. http://www.moolahranch.com/index.html?home=stallion.html |
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| Joni Voloshin in Colorado. Not only are they homozygous for tobiano, they are homozygous for the black gene so you will not get a sorrel and white. They are proven in many cattle events and I have purchased quite a few head of babies from her with the oldest being 5. He is not only built but is very smart and quicker than a cat. These are some of the better paint stallions available, having good bone and longevity. Check her out, I am definitely 100% satisfied with these colts and their attitude and ability to run and be level headed. And Gorgeous!!!!
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Location: Gainesville, TX | How about Awesome Chrome. Only FDD stud standing I believe. He's had a ton of winners in the barrel pen. |
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Look into Country Quick Dash, Country Chicks Man and SM Country Snowman. All are very high quality APHA racing stallions. |
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Location: Missouri | Quick name that hasn't been mentioned, Color Me Custom (son of Judge Cash).
Never mind! I'm dumb!!! He's overo!
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Location: Missouri | oija - 2015-08-23 11:29 AM How about Awesome Chrome. Only FDD stud standing I believe. He's had a ton of winners in the barrel pen. Anyone know the genetics of this cross? Does breeding to a splash white give any higher probability of a painted baby? Or, still 50/50?
eta: Oh, wait! Is he considered overo? So, genetically, you would be overo x overo?
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | just4fun - 2015-08-23 8:41 PM
oija - 2015-08-23 11:29 AM How about Awesome Chrome. Only FDD stud standing I believe. He's had a ton of winners in the barrel pen. Anyone know the genetics of this cross? Does breeding to a splash white give any higher probability of a painted baby? Or, still 50/50? eta: Oh, wait! Is he considered overo? So, genetically, you would be overo x overo?
I will NOT breed an overo to an Overo. That gives you a 25% chance for a Lethal white foal, which is a dead foal....
So Tobianos are the only ones i'm looking at.
I am uncertain on the genetics ot Awesome Chrome and how that works. I'm waiting on a response from a friend who is a paint SPECIALIST so to speak :p
If it is safe to breed, to him, he is definitely one i have considered. |
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| Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2015-08-23 11:16 PM
just4fun - 2015-08-23 8:41 PM
oija - 2015-08-23 11:29 AM How about Awesome Chrome. Only FDD stud standing I believe. He's had a ton of winners in the barrel pen. Anyone know the genetics of this cross? Does breeding to a splash white give any higher probability of a painted baby? Or, still 50/50? eta: Oh, wait! Is he considered overo? So, genetically, you would be overo x overo?
I will NOT breed an overo to an Overo. That gives you a 25% chance for a Lethal white foal, which is a dead foal....
So Tobianos are the only ones i'm looking at.
I am uncertain on the genetics ot Awesome Chrome and how that works. I'm waiting on a response from a friend who is a paint SPECIALIST so to speak :p
If it is safe to breed, to him, he is definitely one i have considered.
Have you had your mare tested for lethal white? Not every overo carries the LW and tobainos can carry it, its even see is some quarter horses.
The test is not too expensive, and lots of studs are tested that I have looked at. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | della - 2015-08-23 11:48 PM
Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2015-08-23 11:16 PM
just4fun - 2015-08-23 8:41 PM
oija - 2015-08-23 11:29 AM How about Awesome Chrome. Only FDD stud standing I believe. He's had a ton of winners in the barrel pen. Anyone know the genetics of this cross? Does breeding to a splash white give any higher probability of a painted baby? Or, still 50/50? eta: Oh, wait! Is he considered overo? So, genetically, you would be overo x overo?
I will NOT breed an overo to an Overo. That gives you a 25% chance for a Lethal white foal, which is a dead foal....
So Tobianos are the only ones i'm looking at.
I am uncertain on the genetics ot Awesome Chrome and how that works. I'm waiting on a response from a friend who is a paint SPECIALIST so to speak :p
If it is safe to breed, to him, he is definitely one i have considered.
Have you had your mare tested for lethal white? Not every overo carries the LW and tobainos can carry it, its even see is some quarter horses.
The test is not too expensive, and lots of studs are tested that I have looked at.
My mare has not been tested, but i can guarantee she is a OLW mare.
Tobianos only carry it if they are "Toveros" and have an overo or tovero in the immediate line.
As for these double registered studs, thats what i am unsure of and looking into. |
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Location: Kansas | oija - 2015-08-23 11:29 AM How about Awesome Chrome. Only FDD stud standing I believe. He's had a ton of winners in the barrel pen.
that would definitely be my pick! |
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Location: Missouri | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2015-08-24 12:16 AM just4fun - 2015-08-23 8:41 PM oija - 2015-08-23 11:29 AM How about Awesome Chrome. Only FDD stud standing I believe. He's had a ton of winners in the barrel pen. Anyone know the genetics of this cross? Does breeding to a splash white give any higher probability of a painted baby? Or, still 50/50?
eta: Oh, wait! Is he considered overo? So, genetically, you would be overo x overo? I will NOT breed an overo to an Overo. That gives you a 25% chance for a Lethal white foal, which is a dead foal.... So Tobianos are the only ones i'm looking at. I am uncertain on the genetics ot Awesome Chrome and how that works. I'm waiting on a response from a friend who is a paint SPECIALIST so to speak :p If it is safe to breed, to him, he is definitely one i have considered.
Please let us know what your friend says! I'm really curious! From the little bit I've read, he is splash white, which is overo.
I was curious about the color probability b/c I bred my bay tobi mare to an AQHA with lots of white (I also think splash white??) and wondered if there was a higher chance of color this time. After reading your post, I did the color calculator with splash and ended up with something around 75% chance of chrome! Which of course means I will have another solid! haha! |
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| I would breed to Dash Ta Magnolia. I LOVE his bottom side (Magnolia Bar Jet), and Dash Ta Fame on top isn't too shabby. |
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Location: Missouri | Since my previous suggestion won't work... don't forget about Judys Lineage. (My grandson is HUGE.)
I also love the look of CRM Livewire. |
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| Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2015-08-24 12:06 AM
della - 2015-08-23 11:48 PM
Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2015-08-23 11:16 PM
just4fun - 2015-08-23 8:41 PM
oija - 2015-08-23 11:29 AM How about Awesome Chrome. Only FDD stud standing I believe. He's had a ton of winners in the barrel pen. Anyone know the genetics of this cross? Does breeding to a splash white give any higher probability of a painted baby? Or, still 50/50? eta: Oh, wait! Is he considered overo? So, genetically, you would be overo x overo?
I will NOT breed an overo to an Overo. That gives you a 25% chance for a Lethal white foal, which is a dead foal....
So Tobianos are the only ones i'm looking at.
I am uncertain on the genetics ot Awesome Chrome and how that works. I'm waiting on a response from a friend who is a paint SPECIALIST so to speak :p
If it is safe to breed, to him, he is definitely one i have considered.
Have you had your mare tested for lethal white? Not every overo carries the LW and tobainos can carry it, its even see is some quarter horses.
The test is not too expensive, and lots of studs are tested that I have looked at.
My mare has not been tested, but i can guarantee she is a OLW mare.
Tobianos only carry it if they are "Toveros" and have an overo or tovero in the immediate line.
As for these double registered studs, thats what i am unsure of and looking into.
http://www.apha.com/breed/geneticsarticles/lethalwhites3
you might find that article intresting.
The only way to know for sure is to test your mare. You can also have a tobaino with an overo ancestors way in the wood pile, they many not show overo color but can still carry lethal white.
Many moons ago I worked for a paint breeder and then it was believed it was strictly overo color to overo color, but through much testing it has been learned its much more complicated than that. Its a subject i find very intresting and read up on often.
If you are sure your mare is OLW you need to make sure the stud has been tested regardless of his color pattern. Even the crop out AQHA as they tend to be overo based. So it stands that triditional colored AQHA horses can carry it the geneticswere passed on.
PS sorry for any typos my phone is being a pita today lol. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | just4fun - 2015-08-24 7:46 AM
Since my previous suggestion won't work... don't forget about Judys Lineage. (My grandson is HUGE.)
I also love the look of CRM Livewire.
I would TOTALLY go to Judys lineage.
However, I was informed that he is no longer standing, and has been retired from the breeding shed, which breaks my heart cause i think he's one of the coolest cats in the paint industry for speed events!
I've been keeping a close eye on livewire and i talk with his owners often who are SOO sweet! He's on my list for one of my race mares as a potential paint race foal. I think he's going to be a pretty big deal in the future as a sire . |
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Location: Kansas | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2015-08-24 3:54 PM
just4fun - 2015-08-24 7:46 AM
Since my previous suggestion won't work... don't forget about Judys Lineage. (My grandson is HUGE.)
I also love the look of CRM Livewire.
I would TOTALLY go to Judys lineage.
However, I was informed that he is no longer standing, and has been retired from the breeding shed, which breaks my heart cause i think he's one of the coolest cats in the paint industry for speed events!
I've been keeping a close eye on livewire and i talk with his owners often who are SOO sweet! He's on my list for one of my race mares as a potential paint race foal. I think he's going to be a pretty big deal in the future as a sire .
He is done breeding... and I got one of his last babies  |
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Location: Missouri | HarlanLivesOn - 2015-08-24 5:11 PM Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2015-08-24 3:54 PM just4fun - 2015-08-24 7:46 AM Since my previous suggestion won't work... don't forget about Judys Lineage. (My grandson is HUGE.)
I also love the look of CRM Livewire. I would TOTALLY go to Judys lineage. However, I was informed that he is no longer standing, and has been retired from the breeding shed, which breaks my heart cause i think he's one of the coolest cats in the paint industry for speed events! I've been keeping a close eye on livewire and i talk with his owners often who are SOO sweet! He's on my list for one of my race mares as a potential paint race foal. I think he's going to be a pretty big deal in the future as a sire . He is done breeding... and I got one of his last babies
Oh, bummer! I'm no help at all. lol! He is still listed on their website with a $1250 fee. 
Good luck!
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Location: Montana | joplin21 - 2015-08-24 7:35 AM I would breed to Dash Ta Magnolia. I LOVE his bottom side (Magnolia Bar Jet), and Dash Ta Fame on top isn't too shabby.
Dash Ta Magnolia is who I was going to suggest too. My friend and her husband (who is also my farrier) owns his dam, and they bred her to DTF and raised him until they sold him. I have personally seen his dam run 1D times and win 1D checks, and DTF speaks for himself. |
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Location: USA | I sure love my colts by Strait Firewater. His colts are sure proving themselves in the barrel pen. And they are such nice minded horses! My 2015 colt by Strait out of a sorrel AQHA mare
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Location: Nebraska | I bred my paint mare to Osage Spirit this year. It was his first year standing and her first baby so I'm excited to see what they'll produce. I'm hoping for one just like her but with more speed.
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | BLM - 2015-08-24 10:12 PM
I sure love my colts by Strait Firewater. His colts are sure proving themselves in the barrel pen. And they are such nice minded horses! My 2015 colt by Strait out of a sorrel AQHA mare
I Also Love straight firewater, i thinjk hes gorgeous and his run style is cool. However he's much too short for what i'm looking for. Thats why i Said 15.2 as a minimum height.
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| Dos Poruno is a proven stud and sire of money earners on the track. He is dual registered so I am not sure how much color you would get out of it. Stands 15.2hh and is a reasonable stud fee ($750 early booked) I believe.
They also stand Awesome Chrome and Decash who is tobiano and enrolled in the APHA paint barrel racing incentive program.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | With A Rebel Yell - 2015-08-25 2:52 AM
Dos Poruno is a proven stud and sire of money earners on the track. He is dual registered so I am not sure how much color you would get out of it. Stands 15.2hh and is a reasonable stud fee ($750 early booked ) I believe.
They also stand Awesome Chrome and Decash who is tobiano and enrolled in the APHA paint barrel racing incentive program.
http://www.frederiksborgusa.com/dos.html
He's going to have the same potential LWO issues as Awesome Chrome and AC is the better, more proven sire. Same owners too. Unfortunately I don't know enough about LWO to say whether AC is a carrier or not. They really should have him tested though since he's certainly one of the best Paint race bred studs standing. |
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Location: USA | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2015-08-25 12:31 AM BLM - 2015-08-24 10:12 PM I sure love my colts by Strait Firewater. His colts are sure proving themselves in the barrel pen. And they are such nice minded horses! My 2015 colt by Strait out of a sorrel AQHA mare I Also Love straight firewater, i thinjk hes gorgeous and his run style is cool. However he's much too short for what i'm looking for. Thats why i Said 15.2 as a minimum height.
I see. I have pretty good sized mares and both my babies are good sized, well, this years colt is HUGE, but I get what you're saying. It was late when I posted and must've missed the height requirement. LOL. |
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Location: Missouri | What about My Indian Money?
Also, not proven, but two that I've been interested in; Midnight Hero and Midnight Cartel, full brothers. I was really wanting to breed to an APHA Mr Jess Perry son, but couldn't find any (ended up breeding to an AQHA son.) These kept coming up on my search though.
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | Just putting this out there since I have been sending off hair samples to test all of mine. Before I booked one, I would ask to see the results of the 5 panel test. I do not think APHA is requiring their stallion owners to test for it but I sure would not breed to one who did not have it. Finding out you spent all that money and your colt tests positive for one of the genetic disorders is pretty devastating. |
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Location: IL | Cute baby!
I would suggest looking into RB Halter and Performance Horses 2016 Stallion line-up. There are a couple I think you might be interested in.
http://www.rbperformancehorses.com/stallions
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Location: Feeding those that need me | Osage Spirit, Mr Smokin Okey, Sky High Fame, and Jet Streakin all meet your requirements. Sky High Fame is also a Future Fortunes stallion. |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | brlracerchick - 2015-08-24 11:25 PM I bred my paint mare to Osage Spirit this year. It was his first year standing and her first baby so I'm excited to see what they'll produce. I'm hoping for one just like her but with more speed.
I've been keeping an eye on CRM Livewire too. He seems pretty nice! Personally I'm not generally a paint fan, but Osage spirit is an impressive guy. I've seen him in person and pics don't do him justice. Plus his mind is amazing. If you watch videos of him, he literally floats across the ground. He stands at lazy Susan ranches. They have some super nice stallion.
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| I don't think Awesome Chrome carries overo. He's a cropout, and (correct me if I'm wrong) I've never seen a colored foal out of him that wasn't out of a paint mare. Neither of his parents carried the gene, therefore, he can't.
I believe, this is why APHA stopped with the cropouts for a while, because they cannot produce colored foals by themselves and therefore are not 'paint horses', they are barely pintos.
I don't know though, but that's just off what I know of genetics. :) |
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Location: California | Overo covers many different white patterns. Only the FRAME overo gene is lethal when homozygous (by breeding to frames together). Splash white and all the other overo genes are fine to cross with your mare. If an overo stud ends up meeting all your requirements simply make sure he has been tested for the frame gene and is negative. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | Serenity06 - 2015-08-30 12:46 PM
Overo covers many different white patterns. Only the FRAME overo gene is lethal when homozygous (by breeding to frames together). Splash white and all the other overo genes are fine to cross with your mare. If an overo stud ends up meeting all your requirements simply make sure he has been tested for the frame gene and is negative.
Thats great to know! Thank you. and it makes sense to me as well.
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Location: Mountains of VA | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2015-08-30 5:48 PM Serenity06 - 2015-08-30 12:46 PM Overo covers many different white patterns. Only the FRAME overo gene is lethal when homozygous (by breeding to frames together). Splash white and all the other overo genes are fine to cross with your mare. If an overo stud ends up meeting all your requirements simply make sure he has been tested for the frame gene and is negative. Thats great to know! Thank you. and it makes sense to me as well.
If you want color from your solid mare, breed her to a homozygous tobiano stallion. There are plenty out there. No, color is not everything, it is another piece of the puzzle when breeding Paints. Having regular APHA reg. adds to the value of the horse along with bloodlines, conformation, etc. |
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| hotpaints - 2015-08-30 7:57 PM
Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2015-08-30 5:48 PM Serenity06 - 2015-08-30 12:46 PM Overo covers many different white patterns. Only the FRAME overo gene is lethal when homozygous (by breeding to frames together). Splash white and all the other overo genes are fine to cross with your mare. If an overo stud ends up meeting all your requirements simply make sure he has been tested for the frame gene and is negative. Thats great to know! Thank you. and it makes sense to me as well.
Yes it does, the first mare we own that we are breeding doesn't carry frame, but she may carry the other overo genes (because those don't always show, which is how you get crop outs), and we are breeding her to an AQHA stallion. We may or may not get an overo foal (which her mother and both her brothers are overos), but we liked this stud over any of the paint studs so we decided it was worth the risk since we are planning on keeping it. (Still has value based off sire, but color is just a bonus, doesn't affect the actual horse) |
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I rode several and they are nice.He belongs to a lady in Archer City Tx.Well worth looking into. |
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