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| If you feed oils what type of oil do you prefer. Example: I feed soybean and wheat germ oil because. . . |
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Location: North Dakota | I would do coconut oil but I just give Renew Gold now because it has the coconut in it and is easier. |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | Soybean oil.
Because it is what the feed mill has.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | i feed whole flax seed, i think feeding any store bought oil is a waste and i feel that horses cant digest oil ...but thats just my 2 cents..:)
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Location: Beggs, OK | Here's an interesting comparison chart on oils in the Equine Diet. Notice what they say about Coconut Oil.
http://hunterprobss.blogspot.com/2014/04/omega-oil-comparison.html |
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| Cocosoya for the Omega vitamins.
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This chart is off base on just about every oil listed, because there can be so much variation in how refined an extracted oil can be. Are these number supposed to represent crude expeller extracted oils, or oils that are refined to a higher degree? The quote that horses can't digest saturated fats well is quite simply wrong. Gary Potters landmark clinical trial work at Texas A&M on supplementing fat to horses, with spectacular result, used lard as the fat source. (I am not endorsing lard as a horse feed component). I agree that heat processed, highly refined, oils offer little more that fat calories, and may be disruptive to the use of some water soluble vitamins if fed in high inclusions in the diet. Saturated vegetable fats in their natural state are easily used by horses, and offer additional benefits over unsaturated fats. These are longer shelf life, anti bacterial and anti fungal properties, and some clinical evidence of anti viral effects. The anti bacterial effect used high in the digestive system can greatly reduce bacterial generated inflammation. |
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| winwillows - 2015-09-10 3:17 PM This chart is off base on just about every oil listed, because there can be so much variation in how refined an extracted oil can be. Are these number supposed to represent crude expeller extracted oils, or oils that are refined to a higher degree? The quote that horses can't digest saturated fats well is quite simply wrong. Gary Potters landmark clinical trial work at Texas A&M on supplementing fat to horses, with spectacular result, used lard as the fat source. (I am not endorsing lard as a horse feed component ). I agree that heat processed, highly refined, oils offer little more that fat calories, and may be disruptive to the use of some water soluble vitamins if fed in high inclusions in the diet. Saturated vegetable fats in their natural state are easily used by horses, and offer additional benefits over unsaturated fats. These are longer shelf life, anti bacterial and anti fungal properties, and some clinical evidence of anti viral effects. The anti bacterial effect used high in the digestive system can greatly reduce bacterial generated inflammation.
Please name some product examples. Currently using Animed's flaxseed oil because initially thought we didn't want any corn oil whatsoever... |
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Location: West Texas | The article didn't say they can't digest it. It said they aren't designed to digest it (As in they don't naturally eat a source of saturated fat). Whether coconut oil is beneficial or not, what saturated fat is natural to a horses diet? I am not commenting against coconut oil, just commenting on the accuracy of the article's statement. I prefer flax seed and 4-8 ounces daily. Flax is one of the healthiest and natural fats. It is the only fat source higher in Omega 3 than Omega 6. With the seed, you get antioxidant benefits as well as digestive and colic prevention. I prefer whole flax rather than processed flax. It just flat works and I have never seen anything like it, since starting feeding it.
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| Tdove - 2015-09-10 3:43 PM
Didn't say they can't digest it. It said they aren't designed to digest it. Whether coconut oil is beneficial or not, what saturated fat is natural to a horses diet? I am not commenting against coconut oil, just commenting on the accuracy of the article's statement. I prefer flax seed and 4-8 ounces daily. Flax is one of the healthiest and natural fats. It is the only fat source higher in Omega 3 than Omega 6. With the seed, you get antioxidant benefits as well as digestive and colic prevention. I prefer whole flax rather than processed flax. It just flat works and I have never seen anything like it, since starting feeding it.
wish we could get a good source for whole flax here in the southeast |
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Location: Willows, CA | Tdove - 2015-09-10 2:43 PM
The article didn't say they can't digest it. It said they aren't designed to digest it (As in they don't naturally eat a source of saturated fat). Whether coconut oil is beneficial or not, what saturated fat is natural to a horses diet? I am not commenting against coconut oil, just commenting on the accuracy of the article's statement. I prefer flax seed and 4-8 ounces daily. Flax is one of the healthiest and natural fats. It is the only fat source higher in Omega 3 than Omega 6. With the seed, you get antioxidant benefits as well as digestive and colic prevention. I prefer whole flax rather than processed flax. It just flat works and I have never seen anything like it, since starting feeding it.
You are missing my point here also. Many sources of saturated fats are natural in a horses diet. While coconut oil is one of the few vegetable fats that is high is saturated fat, which functionally in this case is a good thing, many vegetable sources of fat have some saturated fat as part of the fatty acid profile. As such, there is nothing unnatural about it or it's function in the digestive system except for it's unique advantages. The function in the body to break saturated fats is basically the same as unsaturated fats. That is why Potters work had value, and was effective even when using lard as the fat choice. I am also a big fan of flax in the diet, and use the combination to get the advantage of both. Flax is another ingredient in the diet that allows for less grain based concentrate, which is always a good thing. |
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Location: In my own world | Chandler's Mom - 2015-09-10 9:26 PM
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Me too because it's flax oil. I do feed RG too but have a few that need extra calories and I don't like feeding 10lbs of grain to a horse |
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| winwillows - 2015-09-10 5:56 PM
Tdove - 2015-09-10 2:43 PM
The article didn't say they can't digest it. It said they aren't designed to digest it (As in they don't naturally eat a source of saturated fat). Whether coconut oil is beneficial or not, what saturated fat is natural to a horses diet? I am not commenting against coconut oil, just commenting on the accuracy of the article's statement. I prefer flax seed and 4-8 ounces daily. Flax is one of the healthiest and natural fats. It is the only fat source higher in Omega 3 than Omega 6. With the seed, you get antioxidant benefits as well as digestive and colic prevention. I prefer whole flax rather than processed flax. It just flat works and I have never seen anything like it, since starting feeding it.
You are missing my point here also. Many sources of saturated fats are natural in a horses diet. While coconut oil is one of the few vegetable fats that is high is saturated fat, which functionally in this case is a good thing, many vegetable sources of fat have some saturated fat as part of the fatty acid profile. As such, there is nothing unnatural about it or it's function in the digestive system except for it's unique advantages. The function in the body to break saturated fats is basically the same as unsaturated fats. That is why Potters work had value, and was effective even when using lard as the fat choice. I am also a big fan of flax in the diet, and use the combination to get the advantage of both. Flax is another ingredient in the diet that allows for less grain based concentrate, which is always a good thing.
He's not missing your point.
you're both trying to sell a product that uses the fat that you "prefer" it's just Eco 101 |
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Location: Willows, CA | arion - 2015-09-11 2:40 PM
winwillows - 2015-09-10 5:56 PM
Tdove - 2015-09-10 2:43 PM
The article didn't say they can't digest it. It said they aren't designed to digest it (As in they don't naturally eat a source of saturated fat). Whether coconut oil is beneficial or not, what saturated fat is natural to a horses diet? I am not commenting against coconut oil, just commenting on the accuracy of the article's statement. I prefer flax seed and 4-8 ounces daily. Flax is one of the healthiest and natural fats. It is the only fat source higher in Omega 3 than Omega 6. With the seed, you get antioxidant benefits as well as digestive and colic prevention. I prefer whole flax rather than processed flax. It just flat works and I have never seen anything like it, since starting feeding it.
You are missing my point here also. Many sources of saturated fats are natural in a horses diet. While coconut oil is one of the few vegetable fats that is high is saturated fat, which functionally in this case is a good thing, many vegetable sources of fat have some saturated fat as part of the fatty acid profile. As such, there is nothing unnatural about it or it's function in the digestive system except for it's unique advantages. The function in the body to break saturated fats is basically the same as unsaturated fats. That is why Potters work had value, and was effective even when using lard as the fat choice. I am also a big fan of flax in the diet, and use the combination to get the advantage of both. Flax is another ingredient in the diet that allows for less grain based concentrate, which is always a good thing.
He's not missing your point.
you're both trying to sell a product that uses the fat that you "prefer" it's just Eco 101
Well, I have made my living feeding horses for many years. While I do make a product that uses coconut meal as an ingredient, I do not add any refined oil in any horse product that I make. Nor do I recommend it in any diet that I do for a customer. But this thread is not Econ 101. It is about added oil, which, again, I do not recommend in any refined form. I was commenting on some inaccuracies about where certain types of fat fit and function in the horses body. I use both forms of fats mentioned here in their natural unrefined form. Many people who call me for help will tell you that I often help them address their horses health issues without putting my products into their diets. I was simply helping people understand basic digestive function better. I do promote my feeding philosophy often, but not with my comments here. |
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Location: West Texas | For me, economics have nothing to do with it, either. I like flax because that is what I believe in and feed. It is in the Omnis cube that I feed. Buying flax oil or seed benefits me none, that is what I replied. I never even mentioned our product. I assure you, my thoughts on feeding has nothing to do with financial gain. We started making our product so that we could feed it, not sell it. I feed 40-45 horses daily, and that is what drives my thoughts on what is best. I could easily change the formula for our cubes, we could add more fat for less money.
We don't believe in it because we sell it, we sell it because we believe in it.
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Location: Arkansas | livinonlove&horses - 2015-09-11 2:23 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-09-10 9:26 PM
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Me too because it's flax oil. I do feed RG too but have a few that need extra calories and I don't like feeding 10lbs of grain to a horse
My old man HAS to have extra calories and this is wonderful. Plus he shines like a new penny!!
How much do you do per feeding?
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