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| SKM - 2015-09-15 11:12 AM I plead the 5th.
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| MOTIVATED - 2015-09-15 11:06 AM
Great for the fans for sure...I wonder what their qualifying terms are as far as rodeo athletes are concerned? Do you think that the fans will get tired of watching the "same ol faces" compete? Just curious as to what everyone thinks...particularly those who rodeo at a professional level. I love the American be cause it gives everyone a chance to compete...always bringing in new faces. I think that is what I love about the American so much is that you see some of these athletes come out of no where that just cant afford to go down the road but are so super talented..........what do y'all think.
I'm with you about the American. Even my husband and son like to watch to see if the "ammies" can win the million. They don't really care about regular rodoes, including the NFR.
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Location: Beggs, OK | I agree completely on the concept of the American. As a person who has never had the NFR Dream that everyone expects you to have if you rodeo, I love to see larger events available to those who don't want to live their lives in a horse trailer. The American draws out the great horses...because whether the owners run themselves, or the horse is leased by someone trying to qualify, somewhere along the way the horses that belong there are going to show up and give it a shot.
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SKM - 2015-09-15 11:12 AM I plead the 5th.
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Location: The edge of no where | So - why can't we have the American and ERA?
It's not a one or the other option.... It's not even an ERA or PRCA option. I don't see how adding to rodeo options is a bad thing for anyone.
Ever hear of this group called the 'turtles'? I'll go watch....and I'll go watch the American and the closer PRCA rodeos. I'm excited about the media coverage, goodness knows rodeo needs help stepping up the marketing game.
For those that are 'cranky' about how the people starting out were selected.... Why shouldn't those that put their name on it and did the work to create it at least get a chance to compete? Come on now, if you're going to work at something then you deserve a reward of some sort. The honest truth about the current situation of rodeo is that very very few are making a living....go down the list, you're going to see a TON with family support of big $$$$$ or they simply can't even get rolling. I'm HAPPY to see the top athletes that have paid their dues and proven themselves get a bit for it.
If you don't like it - how exactly it is impacting your life negatively? If you wanna play - then get qualified.
Just for the record...I'm probably the biggest fan the American has... It's my biggest dream to get to compete there. The NFR? The logistics of getting things set up so I can afford to be gone, run on crap ground.....it's tough to look at it as a realistic dream. The $$$ doesn't pencil out. The American? I'll keep bustin my butt and trying to get better horses and someday, somehow....hopefully I'll make it happen.
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Location: Beggs, OK | I think the issue is all about the initial perception that people are getting about the ERA. The people out front that we are expected to be supporting are the ones that are making a living on the road anyway... It feels like they have created an exclusive association to make sure that they continue to make a living via rodeo and now with a minimal amount of travel....all the while limiting their competition as well.
This may be completely off base as I haven't had much interest in it at all....but that's how it "feels" with the little bit of information that they have released. |
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| In my humble opinion ... The ERA is to regular rodeo as PBR is to regular bull riding. Remember when the PBR first started and all the rumblings and grumblings? Well, it sure took off!
I say bring it on. The more the merrier. I love to watch and compete in all kinds of rodeo and I'll be watching and cheering on the ERA. Good for those who are thinking outside the box to find sponsors and bring rodeo into another light/ big stage. I think it will only help the sport overall and I agree with what others have stated - without major sponsor, you can't make a living just running the PRCA circuit sooooo why not bring some more money into a sport that we all love?
The American is a whole other ball game. It is not an elite association of competitors that pay their fees to compete, it is a round robin of qualifiers and working your way into the slot for a chance to run for major cash. ERA is similar in that they have the qualifiers like PBR and the American, but competitors have a vested interest in keeping the association alive with stock options and ownership - Which totally sets it apart from the PRCA. So, I think the ERA is a nice mixing of the best of the PRCA ideas and the American ideas.
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| I dont think anyone is saying we cant have both...or shouldnt have both. I dont think anyone is saying that we shouldnt have multiple options either. I am just curious as to what the qualifications are to compete in the ERA. If it is the elite of the elite of the elite I wonder how long it will be until they decide who is "elite enough" to compete is all. I mean those people have already accomplished so much...they have YEARS AND YEARS of accomplishment....so will it be years and years until we are able to watch someone else compete against them according to their standards? That is what I am curious about...I think options are great though. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | MOTIVATED - 2015-09-15 11:53 AM I dont think anyone is saying we cant have both...or shouldnt have both. I dont think anyone is saying that we shouldnt have multiple options either. I am just curious as to what the qualifications are to compete in the ERA. If it is the elite of the elite of the elite I wonder how long it will be until they decide who is "elite enough" to compete is all. I mean those people have already accomplished so much...they have YEARS AND YEARS of accomplishment....so will it be years and years until we are able to watch someone else compete against them according to their standards? That is what I am curious about...I think options are great though.
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-09-15 11:55 AM MOTIVATED - 2015-09-15 11:53 AM I dont think anyone is saying we cant have both...or shouldnt have both. I dont think anyone is saying that we shouldnt have multiple options either. I am just curious as to what the qualifications are to compete in the ERA. If it is the elite of the elite of the elite I wonder how long it will be until they decide who is "elite enough" to compete is all. I mean those people have already accomplished so much...they have YEARS AND YEARS of accomplishment....so will it be years and years until we are able to watch someone else compete against them according to their standards? That is what I am curious about...I think options are great though. ...and you're only as Elite as the horse you are riding as well.
You are very right. But those girls they have in there are in it for the long haul I think...they are capable of either buying or training another horse once the one they are running now gets old. I think they are talented enough to stay in the game for as long as they wish....which is why they are in that elite group. I guess at this point its just a waiting game to see what the qualifications are going to be. BUT I DONT WANT TO WAIT!!! |
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1) When the ERA was brought out back during the American, they weren't exactly upfront about it being funded by the TX taxpayers. At first it was pretty well hidden. 6 months later they finally admit this is where the funding comes from. This alone makes me question the other fine print and longevity of the association. Is it built to last? Or is it a get rich quick scheme for the CEO and a few others? Time will tell.
2) I'm all for rodeo exposure. But I do wonder what the impact might be on the tie down roping in particular when national attention is given. Tie down roping is really drawing heat from animal rights people. Will more exposure make it go the way of steer tripping? Again, time will tell.
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| SKM - 2015-09-15 12:23 PM Here are the main issues and questions I have 1) When the ERA was brought out back during the American, they weren't exactly upfront about it being funded by the TX taxpayers. At first it was pretty well hidden. 6 months later they finally admit this is where the funding comes from. This alone makes me question the other fine print and longevity of the association. Is it built to last? Or is it a get rich quick scheme for the CEO and a few others? Time will tell. 2) I'm all for rodeo exposure. But I do wonder what the impact might be on the tie down roping in particular when national attention is given. Tie down roping is really drawing heat from animal rights people. Will more exposure make it go the way of steer tripping? Again, time will tell. I have other questions. But those are the top two. Whoa, HOW can something like this be funded through tax dollars? I'm confused. LOL if I am never going to be elite enough to compete in it I DONT want to pay for ANYONE ELSE to play haha.
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Location: The edge of no where | SKM - 2015-09-15 12:23 PM Here are the main issues and questions I have 1) When the ERA was brought out back during the American, they weren't exactly upfront about it being funded by the TX taxpayers. At first it was pretty well hidden. 6 months later they finally admit this is where the funding comes from. This alone makes me question the other fine print and longevity of the association. Is it built to last? Or is it a get rich quick scheme for the CEO and a few others? Time will tell. 2) I'm all for rodeo exposure. But I do wonder what the impact might be on the tie down roping in particular when national attention is given. Tie down roping is really drawing heat from animal rights people. Will more exposure make it go the way of steer tripping? Again, time will tell. I have other questions. But those are the top two.
*Just a side note* Steer roping is alive and well, it's still at several rodeos. As many as the other events, no.....but it's got a strong following. It's just never televised and has it's own finals - doesn't mean it's extinct. :D
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SKM - 2015-09-15 12:23 PM Here are the main issues and questions I have 1) When the ERA was brought out back during the American, they weren't exactly upfront about it being funded by the TX taxpayers. At first it was pretty well hidden. 6 months later they finally admit this is where the funding comes from. This alone makes me question the other fine print and longevity of the association. Is it built to last? Or is it a get rich quick scheme for the CEO and a few others? Time will tell. 2) I'm all for rodeo exposure. But I do wonder what the impact might be on the tie down roping in particular when national attention is given. Tie down roping is really drawing heat from animal rights people. Will more exposure make it go the way of steer tripping? Again, time will tell. I have other questions. But those are the top two.
*Just a side note* Steer roping is alive and well, it's still at several rodeos. As many as the other events, no.....but it's got a strong following. It's just never televised and has it's own finals - doesn't mean it's extinct. :D
I know. It's only legal in, I believe it's 7 states? It might only be 5 though. Rarely is it part of the actual rodeo. It's usually held as a special event, much like a slack event. CO is one of the states it's legal in and we have a lot of trippers. I never said it was extinct. But it is rare. Even in big tripping states. And those trippers don't have the ability to make any money amount even close to all the other events.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | MOTIVATED - 2015-09-15 12:36 PM SKM - 2015-09-15 12:23 PM Here are the main issues and questions I have 1) When the ERA was brought out back during the American, they weren't exactly upfront about it being funded by the TX taxpayers. At first it was pretty well hidden. 6 months later they finally admit this is where the funding comes from. This alone makes me question the other fine print and longevity of the association. Is it built to last? Or is it a get rich quick scheme for the CEO and a few others? Time will tell. 2) I'm all for rodeo exposure. But I do wonder what the impact might be on the tie down roping in particular when national attention is given. Tie down roping is really drawing heat from animal rights people. Will more exposure make it go the way of steer tripping? Again, time will tell. I have other questions. But those are the top two. Whoa, HOW can something like this be funded through tax dollars? I'm confused. LOL if I am never going to be elite enough to compete in it I DONT want to pay for ANYONE ELSE to play haha.
It's the typical political language BS...They give out money to have big sports events come to Texas and in return Texas is suppose to reap more then they put in. We all know how that works. Since when does government ever put back into a fund that they taken from? LOL
If you are interested...here is the BS..
http://allaboutcutting.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Major-Event-Trust-Fund-Elite-Rodeo.pdf
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| Nevertooold - 2015-09-15 1:43 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-09-15 12:36 PM SKM - 2015-09-15 12:23 PM Here are the main issues and questions I have 1) When the ERA was brought out back during the American, they weren't exactly upfront about it being funded by the TX taxpayers. At first it was pretty well hidden. 6 months later they finally admit this is where the funding comes from. This alone makes me question the other fine print and longevity of the association. Is it built to last? Or is it a get rich quick scheme for the CEO and a few others? Time will tell. 2) I'm all for rodeo exposure. But I do wonder what the impact might be on the tie down roping in particular when national attention is given. Tie down roping is really drawing heat from animal rights people. Will more exposure make it go the way of steer tripping? Again, time will tell. I have other questions. But those are the top two. Whoa, HOW can something like this be funded through tax dollars? I'm confused. LOL if I am never going to be elite enough to compete in it I DONT want to pay for ANYONE ELSE to play haha.
If you are interested...here is the BS..
http://allaboutcutting.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Major-Event-Trust-Fund-Elite-Rodeo.pdf
Okay, now I see. Pretty much whatever tax dollars that event makes they get a portion of it "donated" back to the host city. Okay...I guess that makes sense. |
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MS2011 - 2015-09-15 12:34 PM
SKM - 2015-09-15 12:23 PM Here are the main issues and questions I have 1) When the ERA was brought out back during the American, they weren't exactly upfront about it being funded by the TX taxpayers. At first it was pretty well hidden. 6 months later they finally admit this is where the funding comes from. This alone makes me question the other fine print and longevity of the association. Is it built to last? Or is it a get rich quick scheme for the CEO and a few others? Time will tell. 2) I'm all for rodeo exposure. But I do wonder what the impact might be on the tie down roping in particular when national attention is given. Tie down roping is really drawing heat from animal rights people. Will more exposure make it go the way of steer tripping? Again, time will tell. I have other questions. But those are the top two.
*Just a side note* Steer roping is alive and well, it's still at several rodeos. As many as the other events, no.....but it's got a strong following. It's just never televised and has it's own finals - doesn't mean it's extinct. :D
I know. It's only legal in, I believe it's 7 states? It might only be 5 though. Rarely is it part of the actual rodeo. It's usually held as a special event, much like a slack event. CO is one of the states it's legal in and we have a lot of trippers. I never said it was extinct. But it is rare. Even in big tripping states. And those trippers don't have the ability to make any money amount even close to all the other events.
Steer roping is not illegal anywhere. Tie down roping is the only event that there are any laws anywhere on the books against, and I believe that is only in Baltimore, MD. Cindy Schonholtz with the PRCA would be able to provide more information. |
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Location: Midwest | k.maddocks24 - 2015-09-15 2:37 PM SKM - 2015-09-15 1:43 PM MS2011 - 2015-09-15 12:34 PM SKM - 2015-09-15 12:23 PM Here are the main issues and questions I have 1) When the ERA was brought out back during the American, they weren't exactly upfront about it being funded by the TX taxpayers. At first it was pretty well hidden. 6 months later they finally admit this is where the funding comes from. This alone makes me question the other fine print and longevity of the association. Is it built to last? Or is it a get rich quick scheme for the CEO and a few others? Time will tell. 2) I'm all for rodeo exposure. But I do wonder what the impact might be on the tie down roping in particular when national attention is given. Tie down roping is really drawing heat from animal rights people. Will more exposure make it go the way of steer tripping? Again, time will tell. I have other questions. But those are the top two. *Just a side note* Steer roping is alive and well, it's still at several rodeos. As many as the other events, no.....but it's got a strong following. It's just never televised and has it's own finals - doesn't mean it's extinct. :D
I know. It's only legal in, I believe it's 7 states? It might only be 5 though. Rarely is it part of the actual rodeo. It's usually held as a special event, much like a slack event. CO is one of the states it's legal in and we have a lot of trippers. I never said it was extinct. But it is rare. Even in big tripping states. And those trippers don't have the ability to make any money amount even close to all the other events. Steer roping is not illegal anywhere. Tie down roping is the only event that there are any laws anywhere on the books against, and I believe that is only in Baltimore, MD. Cindy Schonholtz with the PRCA would be able to provide more information.
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Location: In my own little world | MS2011 - 2015-09-15 12:34 PM SKM - 2015-09-15 12:23 PM Here are the main issues and questions I have 1) When the ERA was brought out back during the American, they weren't exactly upfront about it being funded by the TX taxpayers. At first it was pretty well hidden. 6 months later they finally admit this is where the funding comes from. This alone makes me question the other fine print and longevity of the association. Is it built to last? Or is it a get rich quick scheme for the CEO and a few others? Time will tell. 2) I'm all for rodeo exposure. But I do wonder what the impact might be on the tie down roping in particular when national attention is given. Tie down roping is really drawing heat from animal rights people. Will more exposure make it go the way of steer tripping? Again, time will tell. I have other questions. But those are the top two. *Just a side note* Steer roping is alive and well, it's still at several rodeos. As many as the other events, no.....but it's got a strong following. It's just never televised and has it's own finals - doesn't mean it's extinct. :D
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k.maddocks24 - 2015-09-15 2:37 PM SKM - 2015-09-15 1:43 PM MS2011 - 2015-09-15 12:34 PM SKM - 2015-09-15 12:23 PM Here are the main issues and questions I have 1) When the ERA was brought out back during the American, they weren't exactly upfront about it being funded by the TX taxpayers. At first it was pretty well hidden. 6 months later they finally admit this is where the funding comes from. This alone makes me question the other fine print and longevity of the association. Is it built to last? Or is it a get rich quick scheme for the CEO and a few others? Time will tell. 2) I'm all for rodeo exposure. But I do wonder what the impact might be on the tie down roping in particular when national attention is given. Tie down roping is really drawing heat from animal rights people. Will more exposure make it go the way of steer tripping? Again, time will tell. I have other questions. But those are the top two. *Just a side note* Steer roping is alive and well, it's still at several rodeos. As many as the other events, no.....but it's got a strong following. It's just never televised and has it's own finals - doesn't mean it's extinct. :D
I know. It's only legal in, I believe it's 7 states? It might only be 5 though. Rarely is it part of the actual rodeo. It's usually held as a special event, much like a slack event. CO is one of the states it's legal in and we have a lot of trippers. I never said it was extinct. But it is rare. Even in big tripping states. And those trippers don't have the ability to make any money amount even close to all the other events. Steer roping is not illegal anywhere. Tie down roping is the only event that there are any laws anywhere on the books against, and I believe that is only in Baltimore, MD. Cindy Schonholtz with the PRCA would be able to provide more information.
Steer tripping and steer roping are one and the same. Different names for the same event - same as bull dogging and steer wrestling.
PART of the reason why it's held at a limited number of rodeos is due to the space required. It would be impossible to have it in the small coliseum arenas, Thomas & Mack, etc. Another part of the reason for not all rodeos holding it is due to the added stock cost and added time necessary to have judges, ambulance, announcer, etc there. And yes, another factor is because of the increased scrutiny from animal rights groups. |
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Oh.. my bad. The only state with an actual law on the books making it illegal is Rhode Island. It is only banned in many other states and is only done at maybe 10% of all PRCA rodeos. The reason why it's only done at 10% is because people don't want to watch it due to the high number of injuries. Talk about splitting hairs.
Seriously...please speak with Cindy Schonholtz at the PRCA. She is the director of industry outreach for them. It's neither illegal nor banned, it's simply optional as per the PRCA rulebook for rodeo committees to include - and the animal rights activists aren't necessarily the driving force behind committees opting out of it. |
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Location: The edge of no where | k.maddocks24 - 2015-09-15 4:37 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-09-15 2:48 PM k.maddocks24 - 2015-09-15 2:37 PM SKM - 2015-09-15 1:43 PM MS2011 - 2015-09-15 12:34 PM SKM - 2015-09-15 12:23 PM Here are the main issues and questions I have 1) When the ERA was brought out back during the American, they weren't exactly upfront about it being funded by the TX taxpayers. At first it was pretty well hidden. 6 months later they finally admit this is where the funding comes from. This alone makes me question the other fine print and longevity of the association. Is it built to last? Or is it a get rich quick scheme for the CEO and a few others? Time will tell. 2) I'm all for rodeo exposure. But I do wonder what the impact might be on the tie down roping in particular when national attention is given. Tie down roping is really drawing heat from animal rights people. Will more exposure make it go the way of steer tripping? Again, time will tell. I have other questions. But those are the top two. *Just a side note* Steer roping is alive and well, it's still at several rodeos. As many as the other events, no.....but it's got a strong following. It's just never televised and has it's own finals - doesn't mean it's extinct. :D
I know. It's only legal in, I believe it's 7 states? It might only be 5 though. Rarely is it part of the actual rodeo. It's usually held as a special event, much like a slack event. CO is one of the states it's legal in and we have a lot of trippers. I never said it was extinct. But it is rare. Even in big tripping states. And those trippers don't have the ability to make any money amount even close to all the other events. Steer roping is not illegal anywhere. Tie down roping is the only event that there are any laws anywhere on the books against, and I believe that is only in Baltimore, MD. Cindy Schonholtz with the PRCA would be able to provide more information. Steer tripping and steer roping are one and the same. Different names for the same event - same as bull dogging and steer wrestling. PART of the reason why it's held at a limited number of rodeos is due to the space required. It would be impossible to have it in the small coliseum arenas, Thomas & Mack, etc. Another part of the reason for not all rodeos holding it is due to the added stock cost and added time necessary to have judges, ambulance, announcer, etc there. And yes, another factor is because of the increased scrutiny from animal rights groups.
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