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My yearling filly is AWFUL about shots. This morning we tried to give her a vaccination and she absolutely refused. Rearing, head shaking, plowing through us...at one point I thought she was going over the stall door. I took her outside and lunged her around for about 15 minutes thinking it might take the edge off and wear her down some. We managed to stick her after that but she shook her neck and head so hard that the shot went into the dirt. She is generally a well-mannered horse and never does anything remotely dangerous. But when it comes to vaccines, she is bad. Do you guys have any advice to help her get over this? We vaccinate our horses twice a year and I don't want to have to take one to the vet every time I have to give this horse a shot. |
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| Runninbay - 2015-09-20 4:01 PM
My yearling filly is AWFUL about shots. This morning we tried to give her a vaccination and she absolutely refused. Rearing, head shaking, plowing through us...at one point I thought she was going over the stall door. I took her outside and lunged her around for about 15 minutes thinking it might take the edge off and wear her down some. We managed to stick her after that but she shook her neck and head so hard that the shot went into the dirt. She is generally a well-mannered horse and never does anything remotely dangerous. But when it comes to vaccines, she is bad. Do you guys have any advice to help her get over this? We vaccinate our horses twice a year and I don't want to have to take one to the vet every time I have to give this horse a shot.
Please tell me you discarded the needle and vaccine when it went into the dirt.
If you did administer it after, be very vigulent on watching for infection, as they can get the same infection due to a contaminated needle as they can from giving banamine Im.
Also what I do with mine that are difficult, is I inject the needle into the neck then attach the syringe after they have calmed down.
I also stroke the neck first then gently poke the needle in. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Here is a great video.
https://www.facebook.com/VeterinaryRecord/videos/843803512341142/
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| My gelding gets hobbled and twitched for shots (well, for the first one, which is always a sedative). He's a notorious striker though, and he's really quick with little warning.
My other horses are all super easy for shots, as well as all the broodmares I worked with over the winters (have to give them shots of oxytocin when they first foal. Never had one have a problem with it).
I don't really have much advice other than try to sweeten up the deal a bit. Maybe get some treats? Or wrestle her if you know some big guys and she's not too big right now, but that probably won't work when she's older. |
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Location: Georgia | cheryl makofka - 2015-09-20 5:07 PM Runninbay - 2015-09-20 4:01 PM
My yearling filly is AWFUL about shots. This morning we tried to give her a vaccination and she absolutely refused. Rearing, head shaking, plowing through us...at one point I thought she was going over the stall door. I took her outside and lunged her around for about 15 minutes thinking it might take the edge off and wear her down some. We managed to stick her after that but she shook her neck and head so hard that the shot went into the dirt. She is generally a well-mannered horse and never does anything remotely dangerous. But when it comes to vaccines, she is bad. Do you guys have any advice to help her get over this? We vaccinate our horses twice a year and I don't want to have to take one to the vet every time I have to give this horse a shot. Please tell me you discarded the needle and vaccine when it went into the dirt. If you did administer it after, be very vigulent on watching for infection, as they can get the same infection due to a contaminated needle as they can from giving banamine Im. Also what I do with mine that are difficult, is I inject the needle into the neck then attach the syringe after they have calmed down. I also stroke the neck first then gently poke the needle in.
I would never use a dirty needle. I tried three different needles and each one came out. We quit after #3. We have tried the needle only method but she moves so much the entire time it's in her neck that we can't get the syringe back on the needle. So it just doesn't work out.
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| Try dermosadan paste to sedate her first and blindfold and twitch her.
Or have someone teach you how to scotch hobble or lay her down. Lots of different ways to get this done. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I have a mare that is the same way. It takes 2 people to give her a shot. We put her in cross ties and cover her eyes. Have one chance to get it right. If you miss the vein or hit a vein not meaning to. After the first one you can give up on trying a second time. |
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Location: sunny california | some of the worst ones I have given them their shot while they were eating grain. no halter i just walked by and poked them in the butt. they look up and around then go back to eating then i push it in |
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Location: Texas | Good luck lol. Just kidding. It will get better with age. I pat the real hard on the neck and just punch it in there. Use and 1 1/2 needle, try not to let them know your about to give it to them. You can also get dormosordan gel give by mouth and then give vaccinations. |
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Location: USA | My gelding used to be AWFUL about shots. Every time I was walking him, I would poke him in the neck with my finger. Then when he needed a shot, I would poke him a few times with my finger until he relaxed, then I would stick him with the needle. This seemed to help and now he's great about shots. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | What do you do BEFORE you stick her? (Meaning do you pat/tap where you are going to stick her?) If you do, STOP. LOL I prefer to pinch their skin, (pretty hard) then stick the needle in next to where you are pinching. ("Slide" the needle in, not JAB it in.) |
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Location: SE Louisiana | RacingQH - 2015-09-20 9:43 PM
What do you do BEFORE you stick her? (Meaning do you pat/tap where you are going to stick her?) If you do, STOP. LOL I prefer to pinch their skin, (pretty hard) then stick the needle in next to where you are pinching. ("Slide" the needle in, not JAB it in.) to chase
Oh Please!!! You take all the fun out of everything!!! It's much more enjoyable to chase them for 3 hours because they think this is about to happen...
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Location: MS | I have one that is very difficult. He gets adequan every month.
I hang a feed bucket over the stall wall so his head is up. I have another horse that isn't aggressive right there. He's so worried about her getting
his feed he doesn't even pay attention to what I'm doing. |
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Location: Wisconsin | I have a horse that we give weekly glucosamine shots and was terrible. He would strike out. I had a vet that also does accupunture tell me to give him the shots in pectoral muscle (fatty breast area) as it is not as sensitive--works like a charm. |
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Location: South | I have a 10 year old mare that is absolutely terrible. We just put her in the stocks- once she figures out she can't go anywhere she is fine. However I have been in situations where we can't use the stocks and my husband just has to help me. Like previous post said- you have 1 shot. That is it so make it count :) |
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| Runninbay - 2015-09-20 4:28 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-09-20 5:07 PM Runninbay - 2015-09-20 4:01 PM
My yearling filly is AWFUL about shots. This morning we tried to give her a vaccination and she absolutely refused. Rearing, head shaking, plowing through us...at one point I thought she was going over the stall door. I took her outside and lunged her around for about 15 minutes thinking it might take the edge off and wear her down some. We managed to stick her after that but she shook her neck and head so hard that the shot went into the dirt. She is generally a well-mannered horse and never does anything remotely dangerous. But when it comes to vaccines, she is bad. Do you guys have any advice to help her get over this? We vaccinate our horses twice a year and I don't want to have to take one to the vet every time I have to give this horse a shot. Please tell me you discarded the needle and vaccine when it went into the dirt. If you did administer it after, be very vigulent on watching for infection, as they can get the same infection due to a contaminated needle as they can from giving banamine Im. Also what I do with mine that are difficult, is I inject the needle into the neck then attach the syringe after they have calmed down. I also stroke the neck first then gently poke the needle in.
Sounds like your horse is lacking a bit of respect.
The other option if you get into a bind, is to twitch the horse |
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Location: Florida.. | Id not give her any warning either
come at her sideways and from the side..
stick her give treat then administer
I know some load up in slant load trailer and do it.. |
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Location: Texas | OUR FILLIES ARE TWINS!!! Little rats!
Hey on a positive note, I tried to wash Lulu the other day and she put up the least fight she's ever made.. I was able to pretty much wash her off with her just circling a little bit.
She too is horrible with needles. I wasn't there when my vet came to draw coggins and give shots but she was a brat..
My plan in the future with her is if its something I can plan for, sedate her with dormosedan gel first. |
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Location: Texas | cheryl makofka - 2015-09-21 9:14 AM
Runninbay - 2015-09-20 4:28 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-09-20 5:07 PM Runninbay - 2015-09-20 4:01 PM
My yearling filly is AWFUL about shots. This morning we tried to give her a vaccination and she absolutely refused. Rearing, head shaking, plowing through us...at one point I thought she was going over the stall door. I took her outside and lunged her around for about 15 minutes thinking it might take the edge off and wear her down some. We managed to stick her after that but she shook her neck and head so hard that the shot went into the dirt. She is generally a well-mannered horse and never does anything remotely dangerous. But when it comes to vaccines, she is bad. Do you guys have any advice to help her get over this? We vaccinate our horses twice a year and I don't want to have to take one to the vet every time I have to give this horse a shot. Please tell me you discarded the needle and vaccine when it went into the dirt. If you did administer it after, be very vigulent on watching for infection, as they can get the same infection due to a contaminated needle as they can from giving banamine Im. Also what I do with mine that are difficult, is I inject the needle into the neck then attach the syringe after they have calmed down. I also stroke the neck first then gently poke the needle in.
Sounds like your horse is lacking a bit of respect.
The other option if you get into a bind, is to twitch the horse
Not all horses who are needle shy lack respect. I too have dealt with this for the first time this year... the OPs horse and mine share the same sire. They both have had the same quirks in their temperament. I know for mine, I have handled her since day 1 and there were just two things that she puts up huge fights about that my other babies with the same amount of handling haven't. She is still a really good horse, has handled other things very well..Already can saddle and bridle her and she stands for farrier... |
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Location: Missouri | I have a mare like that. Sweet as pie unless you have a needle or wormer. She get's loaded in a slant load goose neck for injections or drawing blood. For wormer, she'll eat the apple flavored mixed in her feed.
The rest of the time she is the best horse I've ever owned and we can do anything with her.
My vet suggested to poke her with a tooth pick at feeding time twice a day so she's not so sensative. Maybe give that a go? |
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| My farrier suggested making the horse back up and stick them while they're backing (if you aren't a good stick, you'll need two people). Since backing is so unnatural for a horse, they end up being too busy focusing on where their feet are going, they don't pay attention to the needle. |
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| canrunnr - 2015-09-20 7:10 PM My gelding used to be AWFUL about shots. Every time I was walking him, I would poke him in the neck with my finger. Then when he needed a shot, I would poke him a few times with my finger until he relaxed, then I would stick him with the needle. This seemed to help and now he's great about shots.
This is a smart idea!
1) Like someone side just get the needle in first and wait for them to calm down and then give the vaccine
2) Teach them to hobble first if they are strikers, then number one
3) Twitch, and 1 &2
4) Stocks, plus all of the above. |
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| When I was working in Thailand with elephants we would always do desensitizing work with the eles, especially those that weren't a fan of the needles. They do all the the needle work on the back of their ear- so we would rub the ear like we were looking for a vien, pretend to wope down with alcohol and point them with a plastic toothpick thing. When they behaved at the different varying degrees of prodding, they would get a treat.. Big into positive reinforcement training..
ETA- Associate what they consider "bad" with something good and they usually get ovver it quickly
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Location: Kansas | komet. - 2015-09-20 5:17 PM Easy peasy!!!
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| take a rag and cover her eyes, tuck it under the halter on each side or just cover the eye on the side you are giving the shot.
Growing up anytime we had a horse get in a bad situation dad would take his handkerchief and cover their eyes. They would stop fighting and thrashing almost immediately. I still do it to this day. |
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Location: MD | One trick I found with a horse that was stuck alot she would bend a need was to cover her eye whichever side the needle is on and feed her a handful of treats and she wouldnt tense up. |
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Georgia Peach
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Thank you all for the suggestions! I have made an appointment tomorrow to take her to the vet (10 minutes from home) and they will be giving her the vaccines this time around. I'm going to watch and take notes like a good little horse owner. This thread is going into my favorites folder and I will be returning in a few months to read all these replies lol! |
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Location: Georgia | casualdust07 - 2015-09-21 10:57 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-09-21 9:14 AM Runninbay - 2015-09-20 4:28 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-09-20 5:07 PM Runninbay - 2015-09-20 4:01 PM
My yearling filly is AWFUL about shots. This morning we tried to give her a vaccination and she absolutely refused. Rearing, head shaking, plowing through us...at one point I thought she was going over the stall door. I took her outside and lunged her around for about 15 minutes thinking it might take the edge off and wear her down some. We managed to stick her after that but she shook her neck and head so hard that the shot went into the dirt. She is generally a well-mannered horse and never does anything remotely dangerous. But when it comes to vaccines, she is bad. Do you guys have any advice to help her get over this? We vaccinate our horses twice a year and I don't want to have to take one to the vet every time I have to give this horse a shot. Please tell me you discarded the needle and vaccine when it went into the dirt. If you did administer it after, be very vigulent on watching for infection, as they can get the same infection due to a contaminated needle as they can from giving banamine Im. Also what I do with mine that are difficult, is I inject the needle into the neck then attach the syringe after they have calmed down. I also stroke the neck first then gently poke the needle in. Sounds like your horse is lacking a bit of respect. The other option if you get into a bind, is to twitch the horse Not all horses who are needle shy lack respect. I too have dealt with this for the first time this year... the OPs horse and mine share the same sire. They both have had the same quirks in their temperament. I know for mine, I have handled her since day 1 and there were just two things that she puts up huge fights about that my other babies with the same amount of handling haven't. She is still a really good horse, has handled other things very well..Already can saddle and bridle her and she stands for farrier...
Just seeing this! Yes mine and casualdust's yearlings are very very similar. My filly has also already been saddled, bridled, hauled around, etc. Most everything I have done with her she has always handled like a mature horse in a very respectable manner. I love her personality to pieces but this hate of shots of not something im used to dealing with. All my other horses are perfect.
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Location: NC | CE's wrapn3 - 2015-09-21 4:05 PM
One trick I found with a horse that was stuck alot she would bend a need was to cover her eye whichever side the needle is on and feed her a handful of treats and she wouldnt tense up.
This is how i have to do my mare. She also gets a chain across the gums (she had some bad experiences when she was younger) along with rubbing her eye. Ive tried putting something across her eyes and the min she feels needle she flies backward. I dread if i ever have to start her on adequan. |
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