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| So I"m really considering a daughter of FG that's loping a nice pattern right now..but before I fork out the $$ I would love anyones experience on here with them to share the good/bad. I rode her once, very smooth and light. I would love to know the quircks or maybe good things people can share?! The lady doesn't really want to sell her, however will be going through a divorce and that might motivate her too.
The other horse is a FWF grandaughter, that's not as good looking as the above mare, but is more solid on the pattern..also priced accordingly, LOL. Easy style.
Are FG easy to "blow up" or pretty adaptable in the barrel pen with new owners? Thanks people! |
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| I have never rode any own get of FG but have handled them. Pretty quiet honestly. Didn't really ever have any issues with them. That being said, I'm not terribly impressed by them either but that's just my OP. I own a granddaughter of FWF. Her momma was very quiet and HUGE. This filly was hardly touched at the age of 3 when I got her, like rear up when asked to lead.... She was very sensitive and nervous around people and new surroundings. That being said, I have had her for 30 days and she leads, loads, ties, good with feet and taking a bath. That is with me working 80+ hours a week and being gone 2 weekends with her just turned out in the pasture. I LOVE this horses mind. Her sire's side is Fuel Charger and this is my first out of him so I don't know if her ability to adapt has anything to do with him.
Tonight was her 2nd time in the trailer. First time we backed the trailer to a hill and put her momma up front and she walked on slowly. Tonight, she just walked right on no questions asked, walked into and out of stocks without hesitation, ect. |
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| Thank you, can I ask what is it about the FG you don't like? Or just a personal pref? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Love the FG. He's not a leading sire for no reason! A own daughter is a super investment you will never lose on. A FWF grand daughter are a dime a dozen on every street corner unless she's by Firewaterontherocks. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-09-20 9:28 PM
Love the FG. He's not a leading sire for no reason! A own daughter is a super investment you will never lose on. A FWF grand daughter are a dime a dozen on every street corner unless she's by Firewaterontherocks.
I was thinking the same..however I'm not a breeder. She sure seems smart the little I rode her. Thanks for your input |
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| Wild1 - 2015-09-20 9:17 PM
Thank you, can I ask what is it about the FG you don't like? Or just a personal pref?
From what I have seen, which I have not personally rode one, only handled them, the ones I have dealt with have been dull. Dull to the point of pushy. Kind of ignoring your cues completely. I like dead head horses really, but it was like ignore you and then get upset when they are reprimanded for it. I work for an equine vet that is 90% repro, 10% performance so that majority I have deal with are broodies and babies. We had a daughter in here that was a beautiful dark, dappled sorrel that was conformationally hideous. The others have been nice, not OMG nice but I am not 100% in love with how FG is built in the first place.
I actually heard FWF horses can be hotter, and I see my filly probably getting a little warm (lol) in the arena later on just because of her awareness about her surroundings and sensitivity. |
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| How often do you hear barrel racers saying ... I am selling because he does not fit my style of riding and/or I don't get along with this bloodlines...??
Have you ever heard a trainer say that and refuse to take your horse for a tuneup or colt breaking?? .. Probably not because they are horseman enough to adjust their training program to match the style of movement of the horse and work on improving the horse's weakness.
Key off of the NFR riders .. there are only 15 per year ... and the only horse they can ride full out is one that "matches their riding style". Once that horse gets too old or injured you never see that NFR rider in Vegas again. You would think they could ride anything with hair on it and have the money to find another horse to NFR with...
There are two exceptions to the above ... and both ride homegrown//bred horses which are kinfolks of each other. Both could afford to buy anything they want on 4 legs!!
CERVI had HAWK and now she has STINGRAY who is out of a daughter of HAWK's dam ... goes to show you the mare power of that maternal line that no one pays any attention to .. it suits Cervi's style of riding and mentality ... just think of all the horses she has available to her at any given time ...
FALLON TAYLOR is the other NFR star ... she had Dr Nick Bar and Flowers n Money and she is now riding a daughter of theirs ... again the mentality and riding style is there to have the confidence to ride full speed and fearless!!
There might be a 3rd one coming on board riding SLICK BY DESIGN she has ridden others to give him a rest but he is her number 1 choice ... time will tell when the breeding shed takes him out of competition to see if she can compete on another horse or not ...
My advice is to forget the bloodlines or long term investment if you have arena goals that are front and center. Evaluate these two mares on how you think of them mentally and riding style ... which one gets your butt connected to your brain and which one will you ride the hardest with no fear of injuring her because of the $$$'s you spent to buy her.
Consider my comparison's of how many great winners at the NFR could only find one horse they could ride competitively and go with your gut on which mare will make both of you famous for a little while ... on a local event basis and the big world championship barrel association events you find the same thing happening ..
For instance ...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where did the phenomenal riders of Slingshot go after he got too old and gimpy to run??
So .. let your butt tell your brain what mental state you are in while riding each mare ... lol
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| I currently own two FG daughters, and had a broodmare that we lost. All three have been VERY sensitive, responsive horses. My 5yo I am futuritying on has been a breeze since I purchased her as a 3yo. She hauls so well and always has - literally sleeps at the trailer. Stalls overnight like she is stalled daily (definitely isn't stalled at home) - she is just a calm, respective horse to be around.
However, she is the opposite when it comes time to warm up at a race and sit in a holding pen. The mare loves her job and lets me know it. She tries to overwork for her age/level. I've worked all summer on keeping her quiet, and not being pushy going up the alley. She just puts 110% of her heart into her runs but I have to remind her that she isn't a finished horse yet. I think she won't hit her prime until shes 8ish, but she has all the talent that one would ever need. In my experience with this one, I could see her being blown up in the wrong hands. I don't know if all of them are this way, the other one I have is just a 3yo - but I have seeked help from a trainer so we keep moving forward. She rides outside the arena like a dream - but when she knows she is going to be working the pattern she gets going. I have done drills on drills on drills to keep her mind working and less focused on running. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-09-21 1:38 AM How often do you hear barrel racers saying ... I am selling because he does not fit my style of riding and/or I don't get along with this bloodlines...?? Have you ever heard a trainer say that and refuse to take your horse for a tuneup or colt breaking?? .. Probably not because they are horseman enough to adjust their training program to match the style of movement of the horse and work on improving the horse's weakness. Key off of the NFR riders .. there are only 15 per year ... and the only horse they can ride full out is one that "matches their riding style". Once that horse gets too old or injured you never see that NFR rider in Vegas again. You would think they could ride anything with hair on it and have the money to find another horse to NFR with... There are two exceptions to the above ... and both ride homegrown//bred horses which are kinfolks of each other. Both could afford to buy anything they want on 4 legs!! CERVI had HAWK and now she has STINGRAY who is out of a daughter of HAWK's dam ... goes to show you the mare power of that maternal line that no one pays any attention to .. it suits Cervi's style of riding and mentality ... just think of all the horses she has available to her at any given time ... FALLON TAYLOR is the other NFR star ... she had Dr Nick Bar and Flowers n Money and she is now riding a daughter of theirs ... again the mentality and riding style is there to have the confidence to ride full speed and fearless!! There might be a 3rd one coming on board riding SLICK BY DESIGN she has ridden others to give him a rest but he is her number 1 choice ... time will tell when the breeding shed takes him out of competition to see if she can compete on another horse or not ... My advice is to forget the bloodlines or long term investment if you have arena goals that are front and center. Evaluate these two mares on how you think of them mentally and riding style ... which one gets your butt connected to your brain and which one will you ride the hardest with no fear of injuring her because of the $$$'s you spent to buy her. Consider my comparison's of how many great winners at the NFR could only find one horse they could ride competitively and go with your gut on which mare will make both of you famous for a little while ... on a local event basis and the big world championship barrel association events you find the same thing happening .. For instance ...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did the phenomenal riders of Slingshot go after he got too old and gimpy to run?? So .. let your butt tell your brain what mental state you are in while riding each mare ... lol
You forget Brittney Pozzi and Angie Meadors, Lisa Lockhart, (just off the top of my head).
I do agree with you on your highlited portion! 
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I've had daughters of FG and FWF. I liked them both. The FG's I've had have been more forgiving and less reactive than the FWF. If you don't know what they were treated like before you got them, there's no way to know a lot about their natural disposition until you raise one or buy one unhandled. Both FWF daughters I got acted like they had been mistreated and were scared. The got better, but were always more sensitive than the FG daughters. |
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| I would also consider versatility. The more avenues you "could" take the horse down the better value in my opinion. |
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Location: In my own world | I have two FG daughters. They are the only ones I have been around and I love them. One is 5. I've only had her a year. She is sweet and stoic. She will work through pain so I have to be vigilant at watching for little signs. Also you can go weeks without riding, swing a leg over and she works like you had been riding everyday for the last week. The other is only a yearling. She has a lot more personality. She's a character. Both of them are super smart and want to work. I have a treadmill. The oldest will jump on it if I'm in the barn or if I have another horse on it she literally stands on the ramp and waits for her turn. The youngest will get up there when I am done with the others like its her turn. I haven't started it with her yet. She is very curious but not much bothers her. She will be a futurity horse hopefully (she is currently at eg hospital for s hurt leg). I love mine |
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| Personally have worked with two FG mares, one is super smart, hard working, great mind. They owned her first and got the second based on how nice she was. The second was fragile minded, jumpy, hard to work with, they traded her for a different bred gelding. From what I've heard from others, these are your two options on them. Either great, or not.
I have worked with a FWF stallion and he is just the sweetest, smartest stallion I've ever met. Super athletic back in his day (he's older and retired just to breeding now), and throws beautiful babies. Can't go wrong with a FWF IMO.
ETA: I like the FWF stallion enough that is who we are breeding our all around mare to. haha Just saying, love him to pieces.
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| Bumping up for more opinions if anybody has them, again own sons/daughters please :) |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Riding an own son of FG and I love him. The smartest and perhaps the most athletic horse I have been on. I do think you need run crossed on FG. They aren't the fastest out of the gate. The stud I ride is out of Fleeting Pie, one of the leading producing daughters of Pie in the Sky that has been bred to FG. Just a fantastic cross that has resulted in several Futurity Champions, WPRA rodeo earners etc. He has the speed due to his dam's lines.
I have only had a grandson of FWF. He's by Firewater Finale. Super sweet colt, very smart, Seems athletic watching him play, but a total different style all together. The FG is very bendy and can twist and turn and play like nothing I have ever seen. The FWF grandson is stiffer in his turns, but just as athletic in a different way. He's only 2 vs the FG I ride is 7 or 8. If I were to buy a son of either, I would probably want a FWF. Unless I can have the FG I ride...but I doubt that will ever happen as he is a much loved stud. I am picking up my 2yr old tomorrow after having 30 days put on him. So I will know more when I ride him more. |
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| I have 3 FGS a 5yo daughter Packin Sixes dam, a yearling son Tres Seis dam and a weanling daughter out of Hot Colours dam and I sold a daughter out of Dash For Perks dam. I sure do love mine ! They are easy to get along with in your pocket and crazy athletic. They can have a attitude and I have heard that you either get a good one or a bad one. Mine have been easy to train and you better teach them correctly the first time. They are almost too smart for their own good. All the ones I have had are beautiful to look at. The ones I have seen are natural barrel horses but can be a tad lazy sometimes and later to mature.
I haven't had any Fwf own get but I do have a Gdaughter that I really like. She's a maternal sister to my 5yo FG and she is super smart, friendly but more flighty than her FG sister. She seems like she would be more fragile minded than the FG sister when she is riding. |
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| Thanks everyone! The lady selling this mare is exactly what you all have said too..very smart, quick footed and once they are trained a certain way they don't forget so ya better train them correctly the first time around! I'm excited but yet nervous..never owned such a well bred horse that's super light. May have to go make the trip and ride her again  |
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| Ridden two own sons of FG. Trained one and bought one. Both were totally different styles. The main similarity is they were both dead mouthed and could be a little dull. The one I trained was nice the other not so much...also trained an own son of fwf out of same mare as the FG and I liked him better. Seemed to put more heart into it but they were both comparable horses. The FG was easier to season and less bothered by distractions...the mare plays a big role in both...people seem to overlook that. Personal preference I have bred mares to firewater flit sons since...wouldn't turn away a FG but not my first choice |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-09-20 10:28 PM
Love the FG. He's not a leading sire for no reason! A own daughter is a super investment you will never lose on. A FWF grand daughter are a dime a dozen on every street corner unless she's by Firewaterontherocks.
Why do you say unless she's by FWOTR? Just curious. |
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| I personally think it is the mare power. The stallion has some to do with it. I had an own daughter of FG out of a mare [don't know anything other than what I was told by Bill Myers and I am not talking bad about Bill either]. The mare was supposed to be a roping horse. My FG Mare was a bucker but broke out ok. Bought her for a futurity horse. Easy to train but seemed sore. Took her to the vet and vet said her bones were still soft as a 3 yr.old. Vet said inject or turn her out and wait. I turned her out. When time to ride couldn't out run a fat pig. I now have a GD of FWF and she is nice. She is out of Fuel Charger and a FWF mare. So personally I think FG and FWF need to be crossed with rockets or they are not fast enough in todays world of barrel racing.
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| Love the FWF's! I have a FWF daughter and a baby by this mare plus another grand daughter-love them! I also have a FG grand baby. Every breed has their quirks and FWF's/FG's are no different-just depends what fits your personality/riding style and what you are willing to put up with. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-09-21 9:38 PM How often do you hear barrel racers saying ... I am selling because he does not fit my style of riding and/or I don't get along with this bloodlines...?? Have you ever heard a trainer say that and refuse to take your horse for a tuneup or colt breaking?? .. Probably not because they are horseman enough to adjust their training program to match the style of movement of the horse and work on improving the horse's weakness. Key off of the NFR riders .. there are only 15 per year ... and the only horse they can ride full out is one that "matches their riding style". Once that horse gets too old or injured you never see that NFR rider in Vegas again. You would think they could ride anything with hair on it and have the money to find another horse to NFR with... There are two exceptions to the above ... and both ride homegrown//bred horses which are kinfolks of each other. Both could afford to buy anything they want on 4 legs!! CERVI had HAWK and now she has STINGRAY who is out of a daughter of HAWK's dam ... goes to show you the mare power of that maternal line that no one pays any attention to .. it suits Cervi's style of riding and mentality ... just think of all the horses she has available to her at any given time ... FALLON TAYLOR is the other NFR star ... she had Dr Nick Bar and Flowers n Money and she is now riding a daughter of theirs ... again the mentality and riding style is there to have the confidence to ride full speed and fearless!! There might be a 3rd one coming on board riding SLICK BY DESIGN she has ridden others to give him a rest but he is her number 1 choice ... time will tell when the breeding shed takes him out of competition to see if she can compete on another horse or not ... My advice is to forget the bloodlines or long term investment if you have arena goals that are front and center. Evaluate these two mares on how you think of them mentally and riding style ... which one gets your butt connected to your brain and which one will you ride the hardest with no fear of injuring her because of the $$$'s you spent to buy her. Consider my comparison's of how many great winners at the NFR could only find one horse they could ride competitively and go with your gut on which mare will make both of you famous for a little while ... on a local event basis and the big world championship barrel association events you find the same thing happening .. For instance ...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did the phenomenal riders of Slingshot go after he got too old and gimpy to run?? So .. let your butt tell your brain what mental state you are in while riding each mare ... lol
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Location: The Great Northwest | I think you really need to take a look at the mare. She puts in more than the stallion. The stallion has so many offspring out of different mares. |
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| VFNoPromises - 2015-12-25 9:35 PM
ThreeCorners - 2015-09-20 10:28 PM
Love the FG. He's not a leading sire for no reason! A own daughter is a super investment you will never lose on. A FWF grand daughter are a dime a dozen on every street corner unless she's by Firewaterontherocks.
Why do you say unless she's by FWOTR? Just curious.
Assuming she means because there is a good demand for FWOTRs and they don't come cheap. |
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Location: Crowder, OK | I've had 2 own sons of FG & now a grndget. I adore them! One of them was bull headed & a bit stubborn but he's been the best horse I've ever had n my life. Both of my FG sons have had the biggest heart & try of any horse I've ridden. I wish I could afford more, lol....I have a streak in Pac bar rt now & sunfrost momma. I luv him. He's a natural & laid back. I think the sunfrost can b a bit onrey but they r awesome minded & mine have been forgiving. I have 2 own sons of FWOTR but neither is old enough for me to ride yet but both of them r laid back, super kind babies. My personality does not get along w/dtf & super hot horses. I do agree w/the post about riding what fits you unless u can or want to adjust to diff styles & dispositions. FG & fwf r not top of the charts for NO reason. |
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