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Courtesy of the PRCA: PRCA Board of Directors passes new by-laws The Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association Board of Directors met today and passed two bylaws effective October 1, 2015 and for the 2016 rodeo season. These new bylaws serve to promote the continued quality and popularity of PRCA-sanctioned events. "This Board is very cohesive and, at the end of the day when we look at the membership-the rodeo committees, contestants, stock contractors and contract personnel-we decided to put in place a couple of items that will better serve the quality and popularity of our sport," said PRCA Board Chairman Keith Martin. "Three years ago, with the help of our corporate partners, rodeo committees and contestants, the PRCA implemented the Wrangler Champions Challenge, which is televised by the CBS Sports Network to showcase our top competitors and animal athletes. Additionally, with the new 10-year agreements in Las Vegas and Osceola County (Fla. ), there is an unprecedented amount of new dollars available to our members," PRCA Commissioner Karl Stressman stated. "What the Board did today is look at our history and what has made the PRCA the most successful and popular professional rodeo-sanctioning body in the world. Accordingly, we have taken steps to ensure that future generations of fans and members will continue to enjoy the highest quality rodeo events for years to come." I. Competing Rodeo Events Bylaws B15.1.1.1-.2 B15.1.1.1 Definition of Competing Rodeo Events. Competing Rodeo Events are events not sanctioned by the PRCA in which contestants compete in two or more of the following events: bareback riding, saddle bronc riding, bull riding, tie-down roping, steer wrestling, and team roping. B15.1.1.2 Rodeo Committees. In light of the PRCA's long-standing and ongoing efforts to create popular and successful PRCA-sanctioned professional rodeo competitions and promote rodeo sports in general, including but not limited to creating the National Finals Rodeo event and qualifying points system, soliciting corporate sponsors and television contracts, establishing rodeo rules and regulations, and developing youth and new contestant growth programs-and in order to protect the quality of all PRCA-sanctioned events-any rodeo committee and/or contracting party involved in producing a PRCA-sanctioned event agrees not to schedule, produce, promote or participate in a Competing Rodeo Event seventy-two hours before, during or seventy-two hours after a PRCA-sanctioned event. The PRCA shall have the right to approve specific events that are in conflict with this Bylaw should the PRCA deem any such event to be in the interest of its members and the promotion of professional rodeo sports in general. II. Conflicting Rodeo Association Interests Bylaws B.1.2.1.1-.2 B1.2.1.1 Definition of Conflicting Rodeo Association. Conflicting Rodeo Associations are companies, partnerships, associations or other entities whose direct or indirect purpose is to produce, promote, and/or sanction professional rodeo contests in which contestants compete in two or more of the following events: bareback riding, saddle bronc riding, bull riding, tie-down roping, steer wrestling, and team roping. B1.2.1.2 Prohibition on Conflicting Rodeo Association Interests. In order to ensure that PRCA members-whose popularity and success are the result of participation in PRCA-sanctioned rodeos and related PRCA promotional efforts and activities (and the associated costly investments the PRCA has made in promoting PRCA events and rodeo sports in general )-are not pursuing interests in Conflicting Rodeo Associations while receiving the benefits of PRCA membership and are putting forth their best efforts on behalf of the PRCA, any person applying for PRCA membership who is an officer, board member, employee or has an ownership or financial interest of any form in a Conflicting Rodeo Association shall not be issued a membership, permit or renewal of membership with the PRCA. |
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| trickster j - 2015-09-22 6:16 PM
Now what do you all think about the PRCA? Courtesy of the PRCA: PRCA Board of Directors passes new by-laws The Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association Board of Directors met today and passed two bylaws effective October 1, 2015 and for the 2016 rodeo season. These new bylaws serve to promote the continued quality and popularity of PRCA-sanctioned events. "This Board is very cohesive and, at the end of the day when we look at the membership-the rodeo committees, contestants, stock contractors and contract personnel-we decided to put in place a couple of items that will better serve the quality and popularity of our sport," said PRCA Board Chairman Keith Martin. "Three years ago, with the help of our corporate partners, rodeo committees and contestants, the PRCA implemented the Wrangler Champions Challenge, which is televised by the CBS Sports Network to showcase our top competitors and animal athletes. Additionally, with the new 10-year agreements in Las Vegas and Osceola County (Fla. ), there is an unprecedented amount of new dollars available to our members," PRCA Commissioner Karl Stressman stated. "What the Board did today is look at our history and what has made the PRCA the most successful and popular professional rodeo-sanctioning body in the world. Accordingly, we have taken steps to ensure that future generations of fans and members will continue to enjoy the highest quality rodeo events for years to come." I. Competing Rodeo Events Bylaws B15.1.1.1-.2 B15.1.1.1 Definition of Competing Rodeo Events. Competing Rodeo Events are events not sanctioned by the PRCA in which contestants compete in two or more of the following events: bareback riding, saddle bronc riding, bull riding, tie-down roping, steer wrestling, and team roping. B15.1.1.2 Rodeo Committees. In light of the PRCA's long-standing and ongoing efforts to create popular and successful PRCA-sanctioned professional rodeo competitions and promote rodeo sports in general, including but not limited to creating the National Finals Rodeo event and qualifying points system, soliciting corporate sponsors and television contracts, establishing rodeo rules and regulations, and developing youth and new contestant growth programs-and in order to protect the quality of all PRCA-sanctioned events-any rodeo committee and/or contracting party involved in producing a PRCA-sanctioned event agrees not to schedule, produce, promote or participate in a Competing Rodeo Event seventy-two hours before, during or seventy-two hours after a PRCA-sanctioned event. The PRCA shall have the right to approve specific events that are in conflict with this Bylaw should the PRCA deem any such event to be in the interest of its members and the promotion of professional rodeo sports in general. II. Conflicting Rodeo Association Interests Bylaws B.1.2.1.1-.2 B1.2.1.1 Definition of Conflicting Rodeo Association. Conflicting Rodeo Associations are companies, partnerships, associations or other entities whose direct or indirect purpose is to produce, promote, and/or sanction professional rodeo contests in which contestants compete in two or more of the following events: bareback riding, saddle bronc riding, bull riding, tie-down roping, steer wrestling, and team roping. B1.2.1.2 Prohibition on Conflicting Rodeo Association Interests. In order to ensure that PRCA members-whose popularity and success are the result of participation in PRCA-sanctioned rodeos and related PRCA promotional efforts and activities (and the associated costly investments the PRCA has made in promoting PRCA events and rodeo sports in general )-are not pursuing interests in Conflicting Rodeo Associations while receiving the benefits of PRCA membership and are putting forth their best efforts on behalf of the PRCA, any person applying for PRCA membership who is an officer, board member, employee or has an ownership or financial interest of any form in a Conflicting Rodeo Association shall not be issued a membership, permit or renewal of membership with the PRCA.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | They tried this MANY years ago to keep contestants from competing in Ammy and IPRA rodeos....got sued....and lost in court over the cowboy's "right to work". |
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They tried this MANY years ago to keep contestants from competing in Ammy and IPRA rodeos....got sued....and lost in court over the cowboy's "right to work".
And im sure they remember that...which means they probably found a loophole....i think everyone knew PRCA want going to play nice about this. |
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| NJJ - 2015-09-22 6:29 PM
They tried this MANY years ago to keep contestants from competing in Ammy and IPRA rodeos....got sued....and lost in court over the cowboy's "right to work".
Read the whole thing. It's not the competing. It's being a owner of or being a officer or board member of another association will not receive a renewal on there membership. I think everyone who was initially invited has a small ownership interest. |
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Location: North Dakota | svincent - 2015-09-22 6:49 PM Plot twist.
As The Rodeo World Turns.......still people think the show Rodeo Girls was too full of drama? Puhlease! The real life stuff is so much jucier! |
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Location: Oklahoma | So is Fallon the only "founding" barrel racer? What about Pozzi and Lockhart and the others who are listed as ERA athletes? |
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Location: Texas | Longneck - 2015-09-22 7:32 PM
So is Fallon the only "founding" barrel racer? What about Pozzi and Lockhart and the others who are listed as ERA athletes?
IDK if it matters about barrel racers because we aren't members of the PRCA. we are members of the WPRA.. and its our event at their rodeo. but IDK what this means for them. |
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Location: Texas | i wonder if they will approve the american to work around PRCA or if thats going down too. |
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This means that everyone needs to make a choice. PRCA is saying that if it weren't for them and their sanctioned rodeos, no one would even know their name. So choose... you want to start your own business? Make the leap and don't expect us to continue to let you benefit from our organization.
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| TxBronc - 2015-09-22 5:47 PM
NJJ - 2015-09-22 6:29 PM
They tried this MANY years ago to keep contestants from competing in Ammy and IPRA rodeos....got sued....and lost in court over the cowboy's "right to work".
Read the whole thing. It's not the competing. It's being a owner of or being a officer or board member of another association will not receive a renewal on there membership. I think everyone who was initially invited has a small ownership interest.
Agreed. No where does it say they can't compete. It says they can't be an officer, board member or have financial interests. I'm guessing that little Q&A that the ERA put out where everyone was saying they wouldn't do the Champion Challenge is what caused the PRCA to come up with these bylaws. All the Q&A's except for one or two had to do with the Challenge. Those are televised on CBS Sports. So what were these contestants expecting by saying they wouldn't be a part of it? I'd say the PRCA just threw down the gauntlet. It will be interesting to see if the WPRA follows or doesn't care. |
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Location: Oklahoma | casualdust07 - 2015-09-22 7:40 PM
Longneck - 2015-09-22 7:32 PM
So is Fallon the only "founding" barrel racer? What about Pozzi and Lockhart and the others who are listed as ERA athletes?
IDK if it matters about barrel racers because we aren't members of the PRCA. we are members of the WPRA.. and its our event at their rodeo. but IDK what this means for them.
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Location: Montana | Longneck - 2015-09-23 5:32 PM
So is Fallon the only "founding" barrel racer? What about Pozzi and Lockhart and the others who are listed as ERA athletes?
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Location: The edge of no where | Lucy's Mom - 2015-09-22 9:14 PM Longneck - 2015-09-23 5:32 PM So is Fallon the only "founding" barrel racer? What about Pozzi and Lockhart and the others who are listed as ERA athletes? I think Charmayne is the other founding member
What about Sherry Cervi? I could definitely be wrong, but she's on their site.
I see one winner from the PRCA stance today......lawyers..... NOT the PRCA, NOT ERA, and dang sure not the cowboys. The lawyers will have a field day with this. The last right to work lawsuit didn't go well for them, who knows if this will turn out to be any better.
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Location: Okemah,OK | NJJ - 2015-09-22 9:28 PM
SKM - 2015-09-22 8:08 PM TxBronc - 2015-09-22 5:47 PM NJJ - 2015-09-22 6:29 PM They tried this MANY years ago to keep contestants from competing in Ammy and IPRA rodeos....got sued....and lost in court over the cowboy's "right to work". Read the whole thing. It's not the competing. It's being a owner of or being a officer or board member of another association will not receive a renewal on there membership. I think everyone who was initially invited has a small ownership interest. Agreed. No where does it say they can't compete. It says they can't be an officer, board member or have financial interests. I'm guessing that little Q&A that the ERA put out where everyone was saying they wouldn't do the Champion Challenge is what caused the PRCA to come up with these bylaws. All the Q&A's except for one or two had to do with the Challenge. Those are televised on CBS Sports. So what were these contestants expecting by saying they wouldn't be a part of it? I'd say the PRCA just threw down the gauntlet. It will be interesting to see if the WPRA follows or doesn't care.
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Location: PNW | grinandbareit - 2015-09-22 6:07 PM
This means that everyone needs to make a choice. PRCA is saying that if it weren't for them and their sanctioned rodeos, no one would even know their name. So choose... you want to start your own business? Make the leap and don't expect us to continue to let you benefit from our organization.
Which, kind of seems reasonable. The PRCA is essentially doing the age-old "my house, my rules - don't like it? Get out."
This will only affect the competitors who have an administrative position in the ERA. It really does create a bit of a conflict of interest. Would the Cubs want an employee who was an administrator for the Yankees? No.
The PRCA didn't throw down, the ERA did - simply by existing. This is the PRCA protecting themselves, and they are right to do so. The ERA athletes can't have their cake and eat it to. If that means that these first couple of years they have to bootstrap it without the income from PRCA, so be it. That's the price of being a business owner, the first few years aren't guaranteed to be rosey.
The difference I see between the PBR vs PRCA vs ERA is that the PBR only affects ONE event, the ERA affects ALL the events, which means they are potentially a lot more competitive with the PRCA.
I don't have a bad thought about this either way, but I definitely don't blame the PRCA for doing this. They are essentially adding a "noncompete" - which any savvy business already has, but wasn't even on the table when the PRCA was first organized. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | MS2011 - 2015-09-22 9:37 PM Lucy's Mom - 2015-09-22 9:14 PM Longneck - 2015-09-23 5:32 PM So is Fallon the only "founding" barrel racer? What about Pozzi and Lockhart and the others who are listed as ERA athletes? I think Charmayne is the other founding member
I see one winner from the PRCA stance today......lawyers..... NOT the PRCA, NOT ERA, and dang sure not the cowboys. The lawyers will have a field day with this. The last right to work lawsuit didn't go well for them, who knows if this will turn out to be any better.
I'm not an attorney BUT, I believe the right to work angle flew out the window when they started having and allowing limited rodeo's. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | svincent - 2015-09-22 9:46 PM grinandbareit - 2015-09-22 6:07 PM This means that everyone needs to make a choice. PRCA is saying that if it weren't for them and their sanctioned rodeos, no one would even know their name. So choose... you want to start your own business? Make the leap and don't expect us to continue to let you benefit from our organization. Which, kind of seems reasonable. The PRCA is essentially doing the age-old "my house, my rules - don't like it? Get out." This will only affect the competitors who have an administrative position in the ERA. It really does create a bit of a conflict of interest. Would the Cubs want an employee who was an administrator for the Yankees? No. The PRCA didn't throw down, the ERA did - simply by existing. This is the PRCA protecting themselves, and they are right to do so. The ERA athletes can't have their cake and eat it to. If that means that these first couple of years they have to bootstrap it without the income from PRCA, so be it. That's the price of being a business owner, the first few years aren't guaranteed to be rosey. The difference I see between the PBR vs PRCA vs ERA is that the PBR only affects ONE event, the ERA affects ALL the events, which means they are potentially a lot more competitive with the PRCA. I don't have a bad thought about this either way, but I definitely don't blame the PRCA for doing this. They are essentially adding a "noncompete" - which any savvy business already has, but wasn't even on the table when the PRCA was first organized.
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-09-22 7:58 PM svincent - 2015-09-22 9:46 PM grinandbareit - 2015-09-22 6:07 PM This means that everyone needs to make a choice. PRCA is saying that if it weren't for them and their sanctioned rodeos, no one would even know their name. So choose... you want to start your own business? Make the leap and don't expect us to continue to let you benefit from our organization. Which, kind of seems reasonable. The PRCA is essentially doing the age-old "my house, my rules - don't like it? Get out." This will only affect the competitors who have an administrative position in the ERA. It really does create a bit of a conflict of interest. Would the Cubs want an employee who was an administrator for the Yankees? No. The PRCA didn't throw down, the ERA did - simply by existing. This is the PRCA protecting themselves, and they are right to do so. The ERA athletes can't have their cake and eat it to. If that means that these first couple of years they have to bootstrap it without the income from PRCA, so be it. That's the price of being a business owner, the first few years aren't guaranteed to be rosey. The difference I see between the PBR vs PRCA vs ERA is that the PBR only affects ONE event, the ERA affects ALL the events, which means they are potentially a lot more competitive with the PRCA. I don't have a bad thought about this either way, but I definitely don't blame the PRCA for doing this. They are essentially adding a "noncompete" - which any savvy business already has, but wasn't even on the table when the PRCA was first organized.
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| The difference in the comparison of pro baseball vs rodeo is that PRCA members aren't guarenteed a salary like other pro sports. I would say that Karl Stressman has been nothing but a puppet for wrangler during his tenure and has not had the best interest of the Cowboys and cowgirls in mind on most decisions. The sooner he retires the better for the members, in my opinion. He was a executive at wrangler before coming to the PRCA and he seems to be there "boy"! |
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| If they try to prevent those top notch people from running/competing, it will be the start of the end for PRCA. Don't fight bigger and better things, because it will not usually end in your favor. Just my thought. |
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Location: Oklahoma | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-22 11:08 PM If they try to prevent those top notch people from running/competing, it will be the start of the end for PRCA. Don't fight bigger and better things, because it will not usually end in your favor. Just my thought.
I highly doubt it will be the start of the end for the PRCA. Have you seen the money Vegas is paying out in the new contract? Not every one is going to be "elite" enough to make the ERA "tour" and those who can't are definitely going to want the PRCA rodeos to fall back on. JMO. Not trying to be rude, but for those who make their living rodeo are still going to want the PRCA around. |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-22 9:08 PM
If they try to prevent those top notch people from running/competing, it will be the start of the end for PRCA. Don't fight bigger and better things, because it will not usually end in your favor. Just my thought.
It just kicks out most of the people that can "win" the hauling contest every year. Now those who are #16-30 in the World every year will have a shot at Vegas and are of equal talent to those in the top 15 every year. They just don't have to sponsors that some of those in the top 15 have. I can't see it hurting PRCA or the NFR. Every one of those ERA athletes were a "nobody" once. The PRCA will have new superstars. They're out there. |
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Location: PNW | TxBronc - 2015-09-22 8:53 PM
The difference in the comparison of pro baseball vs rodeo is that PRCA members aren't guarenteed a salary like other pro sports. I would say that Karl Stressman has been nothing but a puppet for wrangler during his tenure and has not had the best interest of the Cowboys and cowgirls in mind on most decisions. The sooner he retires the better for the members, in my opinion. He was a executive at wrangler before coming to the PRCA and he seems to be there "boy"!
Salary for employees has nothing to do with it. This is the running of BUSINESSES. Would Chevron be expected to allow an employee to continue on while said employee worked to build the next big gas company? No. PRCA and ERA are BUSINESSES, not sports. They are in the BUSINESS of producing sporting events.
It is a conflict of interest to be building Business B while working for Business A.
If you take the emotion out of it, and look at it from a business standpoint - PRCA is SPOT ON. No other business would EVER be ridiculed for not wanting to financially support its attempted competitor. If the ERA wants to exist, great. PRCA is just telling them they are taking away the credit card and car keys.
ETA: the ERA isn't "bigger and better" yet. It hardly even exists. It's just new and different at this point. If you think it IS bigger and better already, then why on Earth would the ERA members be concerned about their ability to compete in PRCA?
The salary argument is getting old. These folks aren't FORCED to rodeo, nobody assigned them this career. If they dreamed of job security and salaries they should have chosen differently. Clearly they dreamed of careers where they got to participate in their favorite sport, lack of salary be darned - which is AWESOME. I just wish people would stop throwing the salary argument out as if rodeo athletes were hoodwinked into signing on and then told "oh, by the way, there's no salary. You have to earn every penny."
I AM IN NO WAY SAYING THAT RODEO ATHLETES DO NOT DESERVE TO BE PAID LIKE THE SUPERSTARS THEY ARE. I'm just saying, they obviously didn't get into rodeo for the money, they got into for the love. So for people to keep playing the salary card is a bit of a moot point.
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The difference in the comparison of pro baseball vs rodeo is that PRCA members aren't guarenteed a salary like other pro sports. I would say that Karl Stressman has been nothing but a puppet for wrangler during his tenure and has not had the best interest of the Cowboys and cowgirls in mind on most decisions. The sooner he retires the better for the members, in my opinion. He was a executive at wrangler before coming to the PRCA and he seems to be there "boy"!
Salary for employees has nothing to do with it. This is the running of BUSINESSES. Would Chevron be expected to allow an employee to continue on while said employee worked to build the next big gas company? No. PRCA and ERA are BUSINESSES, not sports. They are in the BUSINESS of producing sporting events.
It is a conflict of interest to be building Business B while working for Business A.
If you take the emotion out of it, and look at it from a business standpoint - PRCA is SPOT ON. No other business would EVER be ridiculed for not wanting to financially support its attempted competitor. If the ERA wants to exist, great. PRCA is just telling them they are taking away the credit card and car keys.
ETA: the ERA isn't "bigger and better" yet. It hardly even exists. It's just new and different at this point. If you think it IS bigger and better already, then why on Earth would the ERA members be concerned about their ability to compete in PRCA?
The salary argument is getting old. These folks aren't FORCED to rodeo, nobody assigned them this career. If they dreamed of job security and salaries they should have chosen differently. Clearly they dreamed of careers where they got to participate in their favorite sport, lack of salary be darned - which is AWESOME. I just wish people would stop throwing the salary argument out as if rodeo athletes were hoodwinked into signing on and then told "oh, by the way, there's no salary. You have to earn every penny."
I AM IN NO WAY SAYING THAT RODEO ATHLETES DO NOT DESERVE TO BE PAID LIKE THE SUPERSTARS THEY ARE. I'm just saying, they obviously didn't get into rodeo for the money, they got into for the love. So for people to keep playing the salary card is a bit of a moot point.
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Location: North Dakota | Cinchy girl - 2015-09-23 8:49 AM I believe the intent is to keep those involved with developing ERA out of participation with the PRCA.... What about the little guy? Many states have what we call "amateur" rodeos but are set up as professional rodeo associations. Many of the people that help with these associations also hold their PRCA cards to run at all the smaller PRCA rodeos in their circuits. I'm not sure legally how PRCA can separate ERA from these much smaller associations. For example, a chairperson of one of these small associations will have to choose between continuing with their association OR run at the smaller PRCA rodeos. Either the small association will lose because no one is willing to hold a chair or the small PRCA rodeos will lose because lack of participation.
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I think the real issue here is sponsorship money. The ERA is a threat to the sponsorship money that the PRCA has worked so hard to get. Unlike small associations, the ERA has the ability to take with it LOTS of sponsorship dollars. Quite frankly, if they have that kind of pull it is very possible that they could directly compete for certain rodeos as well. Keep in mind that they still haven't let the cat out of the bag in regards to qualifications. If the ERA does things right and gets enough sponsors, it could put an end to the PRCA as we know it. Rodeos in my area alone, like Houston, Ft Worth, Austin, San Antonio... those could become ERA rodeos. Corpus Christi, Seguin, Hempstead, Bellville, etc. those could be qualifiers. I'm sure the powers that be, in the PRCA have thought about that possibility. As far as the WPRA goes... luckily they have diversified some, but I'm sure it will have an effect on them as well.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Just Bring It - 2015-09-23 9:07 AM Cinchy girl - 2015-09-23 8:49 AM I believe the intent is to keep those involved with developing ERA out of participation with the PRCA.... What about the little guy? Many states have what we call "amateur" rodeos but are set up as professional rodeo associations. Many of the people that help with these associations also hold their PRCA cards to run at all the smaller PRCA rodeos in their circuits. I'm not sure legally how PRCA can separate ERA from these much smaller associations. For example, a chairperson of one of these small associations will have to choose between continuing with their association OR run at the smaller PRCA rodeos. Either the small association will lose because no one is willing to hold a chair or the small PRCA rodeos will lose because lack of participation. This is my concern as well. What about every other rodeo assoc. OTHER than the ERA?
^^^^ Exactly....this is more "far reaching" than what is being considered. Most people are just looking at the ERA but it WILL affect every contestant who participates (or has a "financial interest") in any rodeo, rodeo committee, stock contracting business, holds an office or promotion of any other rodeo association....and the list goes on......
But I will bet those at the bottom of the "totem pole" are doing the "happy dance"....more chances for them to win!
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Maybe it's too early for me to be reading legalese, but my first thought was "I wonder if they will decline to renew Fallon and Charmayne", but then I remembered they are WPRA members, not PRCA.
Does this have any impact at all on barrel racing members of ERA? Is WPRA going to adopt similar by laws?
Well you can bet with the current WPRA President, the stance that the PRCA has taken will be adopted by the end of the week. For Carolyn Vitor whatever the PRCA does she follows |
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Location: That part of Texas | NJJ - 2015-09-23 9:25 AM Just Bring It - 2015-09-23 9:07 AM Cinchy girl - 2015-09-23 8:49 AM I believe the intent is to keep those involved with developing ERA out of participation with the PRCA.... What about the little guy? Many states have what we call "amateur" rodeos but are set up as professional rodeo associations. Many of the people that help with these associations also hold their PRCA cards to run at all the smaller PRCA rodeos in their circuits. I'm not sure legally how PRCA can separate ERA from these much smaller associations. For example, a chairperson of one of these small associations will have to choose between continuing with their association OR run at the smaller PRCA rodeos. Either the small association will lose because no one is willing to hold a chair or the small PRCA rodeos will lose because lack of participation. This is my concern as well. What about every other rodeo assoc. OTHER than the ERA?
But I will bet those at the bottom of the "totem pole" are doing the "happy dance"....more chances for them to win!
Most people in the horse world have become slightly familiar with terms like anti-trust laws and monopoly issues from the cloning suit against the AQHA. I have a feeling we are all about to be educated some more on these issues because the actions of the PRCA in passing these by-laws and using that specific language about "financial interest of any form" has them in the cross-hairs for violation of U.S. anti-trust laws and consumer protection concerns. Moves by organizations to cut out the competition completely are always looked on skeptically and limiting consumer rights (i.e., we can't buy our permits from your club if we own permits from another) always triggers those anti-trust laws and the provisions therein that protect consumers from business bullies.
It's going to be interesting.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Red Raider - 2015-09-23 10:02 AM NJJ - 2015-09-23 9:25 AM Just Bring It - 2015-09-23 9:07 AM Cinchy girl - 2015-09-23 8:49 AM I believe the intent is to keep those involved with developing ERA out of participation with the PRCA.... What about the little guy? Many states have what we call "amateur" rodeos but are set up as professional rodeo associations. Many of the people that help with these associations also hold their PRCA cards to run at all the smaller PRCA rodeos in their circuits. I'm not sure legally how PRCA can separate ERA from these much smaller associations. For example, a chairperson of one of these small associations will have to choose between continuing with their association OR run at the smaller PRCA rodeos. Either the small association will lose because no one is willing to hold a chair or the small PRCA rodeos will lose because lack of participation. This is my concern as well. What about every other rodeo assoc. OTHER than the ERA?
But I will bet those at the bottom of the "totem pole" are doing the "happy dance"....more chances for them to win!
Most people in the horse world have become slightly familiar with terms like anti-trust laws and monopoly issues from the cloning suit against the AQHA. I have a feeling we are all about to be educated some more on these issues because the actions of the PRCA in passing these by-laws and using that specific language about "financial interest of any form" has them in the cross-hairs for violation of U.S. anti-trust laws and consumer protection concerns. Moves by organizations to cut out the competition completely are always looked on skeptically and limiting consumer rights (i.e., we can't buy our permits from your club if we own permits from another) always triggers those anti-trust laws and the provisions therein that protect consumers from business bullies.
It's going to be interesting.
It's going to be interesting.
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Location: Texas | HorseMommyFiveO - 2015-09-23 9:20 AM
Maybe it's too early for me to be reading legalese, but my first thought was "I wonder if they will decline to renew Fallon and Charmayne", but then I remembered they are WPRA members, not PRCA.
Does this have any impact at all on barrel racing members of ERA? Is WPRA going to adopt similar by laws?
Actually, if the WPRA is smart, they would begin negotiations wirh the ERA about hosting or sanctioning the qualifier events for the barrel racers. Much like BBR does with the American. That way they can keep those doors open for their membership.
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Totally agree about possibly too much too late. They are on the offensive a bit now, when in fact they should have had this bylaw years ago (or something like it) and been on the defensive.
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Location: Oklahoma | What about the supporters that the certain cowboys bring in? Does the PRCA not understand that some just come to watch one person compete? Like any sports athlete, the fans of the athlete follow the athlete throught the trades they may be involved in.
Most aren't a fan of the "PRCA" like they might be of the "Yankees", they are fans of Tuff, Trevor, Fallon, ect. The fans will follow their stars IMO. |
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Location: PNW | grinandbareit - 2015-09-23 8:58 AM
HorseMommyFiveO - 2015-09-23 9:20 AM
Maybe it's too early for me to be reading legalese, but my first thought was "I wonder if they will decline to renew Fallon and Charmayne", but then I remembered they are WPRA members, not PRCA.
Does this have any impact at all on barrel racing members of ERA? Is WPRA going to adopt similar by laws?
Actually, if the WPRA is smart, they would begin negotiations wirh the ERA about hosting or sanctioning the qualifier events for the barrel racers. Much like BBR does with the American. That way they can keep those doors open for their membership.
SO AGREE!!!!
It really would be nice if everybody would share the sandbox nicely to grow our sport. Unfortunately, businesses don't always agree. But it's nice to dream. Lol |
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HorseMommyFiveO - 2015-09-23 9:20 AM
Maybe it's too early for me to be reading legalese, but my first thought was "I wonder if they will decline to renew Fallon and Charmayne", but then I remembered they are WPRA members, not PRCA.
Does this have any impact at all on barrel racing members of ERA? Is WPRA going to adopt similar by laws?
Actually, if the WPRA is smart, they would begin negotiations wirh the ERA about hosting or sanctioning the qualifier events for the barrel racers. Much like BBR does with the American. That way they can keep those doors open for their membership.
SO AGREE!!!!
It really would be nice if everybody would share the sandbox nicely to grow our sport. Unfortunately, businesses don't always agree. But it's nice to dream. Lol
That would be a fantastic idea. If your goal is to grow and promote the sport, this would be the direction to go. |
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| I am having a difficult time understanding this. Didn't the PRCA essentially do what the ERA is trying to do by putting on the Challenge Champions? I know the Challenge Champions doesnt have a finals or anything but it does put the "top/favortie/elite" competitors on TV like the ERA is wanting to do. Why wouldnt the founders of the ERA just work on building up the Challenge Champions to be a qualification/finals deal like they want? |
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| miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-09-23 11:57 AM
I am having a difficult time understanding this. Didn't the PRCA essentially do what the ERA is trying to do by putting on the Challenge Champions? I know the Challenge Champions doesnt have a finals or anything but it does put the "top/favortie/elite" competitors on TV like the ERA is wanting to do. Why wouldnt the founders of the ERA just work on building up the Challenge Champions to be a qualification/finals deal like they want?
Good Point! But the ERA hasn't specified what the qualifications actually are to make it....maybe they don't agree with PRCAs form qualification for the Champions Challenges. Plus...none of the "owners" of the ERA can get rich of the Champions Challenges....with the ERA...they are probably making "salary" on the side. This isn't really about what is good for the sport of rodeo...as novel as it may sound...this is about money...and where and how it can be made. Period.
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-22 11:08 PM If they try to prevent those top notch people from running/competing, it will be the start of the end for PRCA. Don't fight bigger and better things, because it will not usually end in your favor. Just my thought.
I highly doubt it will be the start of the end for the PRCA. Have you seen the money Vegas is paying out in the new contract? Not every one is going to be "elite" enough to make the ERA "tour" and those who can't are definitely going to want the PRCA rodeos to fall back on. JMO. Not trying to be rude, but for those who make their living rodeo are still going to want the PRCA around.
I'm not talking ERA specifically, if they are smart, they would work with and not against these types of new improvements. The ERA is NOT a hauling contest, that's what's going to be so cool about it. Anyone can qualify to run in it in very simple ways (from what I understand of their limited information given). Versus the 5 rodeos a weekend type running those big names do (yes, that's an exaggeration, but the point is there) |
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miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-09-23 11:57 AM
I am having a difficult time understanding this. Didn't the PRCA essentially do what the ERA is trying to do by putting on the Challenge Champions? I know the Challenge Champions doesnt have a finals or anything but it does put the "top/favortie/elite" competitors on TV like the ERA is wanting to do. Why wouldnt the founders of the ERA just work on building up the Challenge Champions to be a qualification/finals deal like they want?
Good Point! But the ERA hasn't specified what the qualifications actually are to make it....maybe they don't agree with PRCAs form qualification for the Champions Challenges. Plus...none of the "owners" of the ERA can get rich of the Champions Challenges....with the ERA...they are probably making "salary" on the side. This isn't really about what is good for the sport of rodeo...as novel as it may sound...this is about money...and where and how it can be made. Period.
Okay, the way they keep saying "top/elite" competitors made it sound like only certain people would be allowed to compete. I'm just not sure how the ERA will benefit the "everday/circut people" for lack of a better word, like the ones that haul a good bit but not enough to make the NFR. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-09-23 1:30 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-09-23 12:10 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-09-23 11:57 AM I am having a difficult time understanding this. Didn't the PRCA essentially do what the ERA is trying to do by putting on the Challenge Champions? I know the Challenge Champions doesnt have a finals or anything but it does put the "top/favortie/elite" competitors on TV like the ERA is wanting to do. Why wouldnt the founders of the ERA just work on building up the Challenge Champions to be a qualification/finals deal like they want? Good Point! But the ERA hasn't specified what the qualifications actually are to make it....maybe they don't agree with PRCAs form qualification for the Champions Challenges. Plus...none of the "owners" of the ERA can get rich of the Champions Challenges....with the ERA...they are probably making "salary" on the side. This isn't really about what is good for the sport of rodeo...as novel as it may sound...this is about money...and where and how it can be made. Period. Okay, the way they keep saying "top/elite" competitors made it sound like only certain people would be allowed to compete. I'm just not sure how the ERA will benefit the "everday/circut people" for lack of a better word, like the ones that haul a good bit but not enough to make the NFR.
If they are good, they would have the chance to "qualify" without having to run the legs off of their horse or the wheels off their trucks! |
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-22 9:08 PM
If they try to prevent those top notch people from running/competing, it will be the start of the end for PRCA. Don't fight bigger and better things, because it will not usually end in your favor. Just my thought.
It just kicks out most of the people that can "win" the hauling contest every year. Now those who are #16-30 in the World every year will have a shot at Vegas and are of equal talent to those in the top 15 every year. They just don't have to sponsors that some of those in the top 15 have. I can't see it hurting PRCA or the NFR. Every one of those ERA athletes were a "nobody" once. The PRCA will have new superstars. They're out there.
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-22 9:08 PM
If they try to prevent those top notch people from running/competing, it will be the start of the end for PRCA. Don't fight bigger and better things, because it will not usually end in your favor. Just my thought.
It just kicks out most of the people that can "win" the hauling contest every year. Now those who are #16-30 in the World every year will have a shot at Vegas and are of equal talent to those in the top 15 every year. They just don't have to sponsors that some of those in the top 15 have. I can't see it hurting PRCA or the NFR. Every one of those ERA athletes were a "nobody" once. The PRCA will have new superstars. They're out there. I really think the only the major thing that both associations have in common is they only care for the "elite" not the people that have side jobs (shoeing,equine dental, riding colts etc. ), no sponsors, and have to struggle to make a living.
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While the PRCA and ERA are doing their chest pounding, who exactly is doing anything to grow the sport of rodeo? Who is educating the increasingly urbanized masses about the animals used in our sport? Who is looking through the eyes of a Chicago kid and explaining to them why calf roping is okay but you don't pick up a cat or puppy by the neck? Bull riding gets a pass because of the bull's advantages. We are in a world where some people think even owning a horse is considered cruel, much less riding one that "looks" angry or abused in any way. When I lived in the San Francisco Bay Arena, they tried to make it illegal to stall horses of a certain size in 12x12 and one county tried to make it mandatory for all animal events to have a veterinarian present (including the Tuesday night team penning practice!) They take issue with how our food is raised (Please check out and support Protect The Harvest). Those issues right there are why rodeo contestants don't make what other athletes do. Sponsors give their money to events people understand and support and in turn will increase their product availability. If a sponsor's base takes issue with a certain aspect of rodeo, well we know what happens. Pace Picante Sauce anyone? Who is going to step up and fund the movement to introduce city kids to horses, cattle and our sport? What's going on now ain't cutting it. Until we have kids wanting to play with roping dummies like they do soccer, football, dance, lacrosse, etc.,TV isn't going to help. How are you going to cover your athletes and explain the nuances to potential fans without taking away from the pace and excitement of the event? And then there's my favorite aspect of my job--people don't read! They don't listen! What you do put out there for the greater good of the sport has to be hit over and over and over again. That's hard to do without losing someone's interest. How do you even begin to balance that?It's not about showcasing the best rodeo athletes. Even movies with an Oscar-winning cast bombs if the script is bad. So who is working to change the image of our script??? I want rodeo athletes to make a living wage, but more important I just want rodeo to be around for my grandkids! |
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| rodeomom3 - 2015-09-23 2:28 PM
Excellent post by a friend of mine on FB:
While the PRCA and ERA are doing their chest pounding, who exactly is doing anything to grow the sport of rodeo? Who is educating the increasingly urbanized masses about the animals used in our sport? Who is looking through the eyes of a Chicago kid and explaining to them why calf roping is okay but you don't pick up a cat or puppy by the neck? Bull riding gets a pass because of the bull's advantages. We are in a world where some people think even owning a horse is considered cruel, much less riding one that "looks" angry or abused in any way. When I lived in the San Francisco Bay Arena, they tried to make it illegal to stall horses of a certain size in 12x12 and one county tried to make it mandatory for all animal events to have a veterinarian present (including the Tuesday night team penning practice!) They take issue with how our food is raised (Please check out and support Protect The Harvest). Those issues right there are why rodeo contestants don't make what other athletes do. Sponsors give their money to events people understand and support and in turn will increase their product availability. If a sponsor's base takes issue with a certain aspect of rodeo, well we know what happens. Pace Picante Sauce anyone? Who is going to step up and fund the movement to introduce city kids to horses, cattle and our sport? What's going on now ain't cutting it. Until we have kids wanting to play with roping dummies like they do soccer, football, dance, lacrosse, etc.,TV isn't going to help. How are you going to cover your athletes and explain the nuances to potential fans without taking away from the pace and excitement of the event? And then there's my favorite aspect of my job--people don't read! They don't listen! What you do put out there for the greater good of the sport has to be hit over and over and over again. That's hard to do without losing someone's interest. How do you even begin to balance that?It's not about showcasing the best rodeo athletes. Even movies with an Oscar-winning cast bombs if the script is bad. So who is working to change the image of our script??? I want rodeo athletes to make a living wage, but more important I just want rodeo to be around for my grandkids!
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Location: Oregon | Rodeo is going to be around because of rodeo people raising their kids to love rodeo and compete in it. And small rural towns and some large towns that love their annual rodeo. Not because of big city kids growing up to be a rodeo spectator. It never has and never will appeal to the mass of city people. And it's never going to pay the crazy money that main stream athletes get paid. Trying to mainstream rodeo is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
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rodeomom3 - 2015-09-23 2:28 PM
Excellent post by a friend of mine on FB:
While the PRCA and ERA are doing their chest pounding, who exactly is doing anything to grow the sport of rodeo? Who is educating the increasingly urbanized masses about the animals used in our sport? Who is looking through the eyes of a Chicago kid and explaining to them why calf roping is okay but you don't pick up a cat or puppy by the neck? Bull riding gets a pass because of the bull's advantages. We are in a world where some people think even owning a horse is considered cruel, much less riding one that "looks" angry or abused in any way. When I lived in the San Francisco Bay Arena, they tried to make it illegal to stall horses of a certain size in 12x12 and one county tried to make it mandatory for all animal events to have a veterinarian present (including the Tuesday night team penning practice!) They take issue with how our food is raised (Please check out and support Protect The Harvest). Those issues right there are why rodeo contestants don't make what other athletes do. Sponsors give their money to events people understand and support and in turn will increase their product availability. If a sponsor's base takes issue with a certain aspect of rodeo, well we know what happens. Pace Picante Sauce anyone? Who is going to step up and fund the movement to introduce city kids to horses, cattle and our sport? What's going on now ain't cutting it. Until we have kids wanting to play with roping dummies like they do soccer, football, dance, lacrosse, etc.,TV isn't going to help. How are you going to cover your athletes and explain the nuances to potential fans without taking away from the pace and excitement of the event? And then there's my favorite aspect of my job--people don't read! They don't listen! What you do put out there for the greater good of the sport has to be hit over and over and over again. That's hard to do without losing someone's interest. How do you even begin to balance that?It's not about showcasing the best rodeo athletes. Even movies with an Oscar-winning cast bombs if the script is bad. So who is working to change the image of our script??? I want rodeo athletes to make a living wage, but more important I just want rodeo to be around for my grandkids!
Latricia had a very good point there^^^
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rodeomom3 - 2015-09-23 2:28 PM
Excellent post by a friend of mine on FB:
While the PRCA and ERA are doing their chest pounding, who exactly is doing anything to grow the sport of rodeo? Who is educating the increasingly urbanized masses about the animals used in our sport? Who is looking through the eyes of a Chicago kid and explaining to them why calf roping is okay but you don't pick up a cat or puppy by the neck? Bull riding gets a pass because of the bull's advantages. We are in a world where some people think even owning a horse is considered cruel, much less riding one that "looks" angry or abused in any way. When I lived in the San Francisco Bay Arena, they tried to make it illegal to stall horses of a certain size in 12x12 and one county tried to make it mandatory for all animal events to have a veterinarian present (including the Tuesday night team penning practice!) They take issue with how our food is raised (Please check out and support Protect The Harvest). Those issues right there are why rodeo contestants don't make what other athletes do. Sponsors give their money to events people understand and support and in turn will increase their product availability. If a sponsor's base takes issue with a certain aspect of rodeo, well we know what happens. Pace Picante Sauce anyone? Who is going to step up and fund the movement to introduce city kids to horses, cattle and our sport? What's going on now ain't cutting it. Until we have kids wanting to play with roping dummies like they do soccer, football, dance, lacrosse, etc.,TV isn't going to help. How are you going to cover your athletes and explain the nuances to potential fans without taking away from the pace and excitement of the event? And then there's my favorite aspect of my job--people don't read! They don't listen! What you do put out there for the greater good of the sport has to be hit over and over and over again. That's hard to do without losing someone's interest. How do you even begin to balance that?It's not about showcasing the best rodeo athletes. Even movies with an Oscar-winning cast bombs if the script is bad. So who is working to change the image of our script??? I want rodeo athletes to make a living wage, but more important I just want rodeo to be around for my grandkids!
Latricia had a very good point there^^^
This was written and originally posted by Tanya Randall.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | crapshooter - 2015-09-23 2:55 PM
Rodeo is going to be around because of rodeo people raising their kids to love rodeo and compete in it. And small rural towns and some large towns that love their annual rodeo. Not because of big city kids growing up to be a rodeo spectator. It never has and never will appeal to the mass of city people. And it's never going to pay the crazy money that main stream athletes get paid. Trying to mainstream rodeo is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
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| crapshooter - 2015-09-23 2:55 PM Rodeo is going to be around because of rodeo people raising their kids to love rodeo and compete in it. And small rural towns and some large towns that love their annual rodeo. Not because of big city kids growing up to be a rodeo spectator. It never has and never will appeal to the mass of city people. And it's never going to pay the crazy money that main stream athletes get paid. Trying to mainstream rodeo is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
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| Agree with what everyone has been saying! Going to be interesting and as a "nobody" the ERA don't impress me. Feels like the "elite" cowboys are getting money greedy and the PRCA won't pay them enough. I guess 200 to 300k a year to CHOOSE to rodeo is a tough job. Trying working everyday to pay for entry fees and ride a no name horse with dreams of being able to make the NFR someday. Oops I forgot the big money they are getting for their sponsors....must not be just enough! The PRCA responded to their request and made the champions challenge. Guess nothing can make "them" happy! If they leave, that's great see ya later! Someone else is hungry and working their butts off to take their spot! JMO |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cowgirl156 - 2015-09-23 7:33 PM Agree with what everyone has been saying! Going to be interesting and as a "nobody" the ERA don't impress me. Feels like the "elite" cowboys are getting money greedy and the PRCA won't pay them enough. I guess 200 to 300k a year to CHOOSE to rodeo is a tough job. Trying working everyday to pay for entry fees and ride a no name horse with dreams of being able to make the NFR someday. Oops I forgot the big money they are getting for their sponsors....must not be just enough! The PRCA responded to their request and made the champions challenge. Guess nothing can make "them" happy! If they leave, that's great see ya later! Someone else is hungry and working their butts off to take their spot! JMO
Hmmmmm? Isn’t that interesting…..YOU can call the good hearted, talented individuals of the ERA “greedy” and degrade their choices but let me tell you that your post is full of “sour grapes” and jealousy and the post is removed……Did that hit a little too close to home…..or was it the statement that the ones at the “bottom of the totem pole” are thinking like you…..gives US a better chance to win. Those individuals (ERA) work just as hard as anybody else to make it to the top and to STAY at the top! |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 8:42 AM
I would hope the WPRA doesnt do anything right now. Knee jerk reactions are never good and I trully hope they just stay out of it for now. Better to take the high road and let this play out some between the 2 partys.
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Okay this is silly. But I get to be at the top of page 4.
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Location: where the wind blows | In reference to my NFR TV coverage post. If the ERA airs on a tv channel that I can actually get in Canada I will start following it.
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Location: Oklahoma | oija - 2015-09-24 9:41 AM Okay this is silly. But I get to be at the top of page 4.
I thought I attached a smiley face with a ribbon.... Why did it become a Santa?
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | BROKEN FEATHER - 2015-09-24 9:09 AM I think this just opens the door for the big rodeos like, Salinas, Cheyenne, and Pendleton to not sanction their rodeos with the PRCA. They know if they add all that money, they will get all the top contestants.
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| jkrm - 2015-09-24 10:03 AM In reference to my NFR TV coverage post. If the ERA airs on a tv channel that I can actually get in Canada I will start following it.
My loyalties will switch, as following the PRCA and then not being able to watch the finals is pointless to me.
ERA will air on Fox Sports 1.
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Location: SE Louisiana | TXBO - 2015-09-24 10:33 AM This is going to come down to who gets the best legal council. So far, I haven't seen anything from either side that looks like they have gotten any great advice.
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| komet. - 2015-09-24 12:27 PM TXBO - 2015-09-24 10:33 AM This is going to come down to who gets the best legal council. So far, I haven't seen anything from either side that looks like they have gotten any great advice. Whoever tells the best story wins John Quincy Adams..
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Location: the end of the rainbow | TXBO - 2015-09-23 4:13 PM crapshooter - 2015-09-23 2:55 PM Rodeo is going to be around because of rodeo people raising their kids to love rodeo and compete in it. And small rural towns and some large towns that love their annual rodeo. Not because of big city kids growing up to be a rodeo spectator. It never has and never will appeal to the mass of city people. And it's never going to pay the crazy money that main stream athletes get paid. Trying to mainstream rodeo is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. It's certainly a difficult task. You're probably right ...... but they once said the same thing about NASCAR.
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| willrodeo4food - 2015-09-24 1:08 PM TXBO - 2015-09-23 4:13 PM crapshooter - 2015-09-23 2:55 PM Rodeo is going to be around because of rodeo people raising their kids to love rodeo and compete in it. And small rural towns and some large towns that love their annual rodeo. Not because of big city kids growing up to be a rodeo spectator. It never has and never will appeal to the mass of city people. And it's never going to pay the crazy money that main stream athletes get paid. Trying to mainstream rodeo is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. It's certainly a difficult task. You're probably right ...... but they once said the same thing about NASCAR.
NASCAR had some pretty shrewd promoters with big money behind it's popularity growth.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | BROKEN FEATHER - 2015-09-24 11:09 AM I think this just opens the door for the big rodeos like, Salinas, Cheyenne, and Pendleton to not sanction their rodeos with the PRCA. They know if they add all that money, they will get all the top contestants.
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Location: Where I am happiest | ozcancrasher13 - 2015-09-24 8:30 PM BROKEN FEATHER - 2015-09-24 11:09 AM I think this just opens the door for the big rodeos like, Salinas, Cheyenne, and Pendleton to not sanction their rodeos with the PRCA. They know if they add all that money, they will get all the top contestants. As of last year, Cheyenne wasn't interested in going with the ERA. The committee asked why would they want only a few contestants to come to their town instead of the hundreds they get. Things can always change, but that is where they were last year.
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Location: Where I am happiest | trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
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ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
Everyone has really good points...I find myself 'liking' what everyone has to say. I don't agree with all of it...but everyone has good points. The PRCA hasn't put the cowboys first in a really really long time...if ever...I'm only 30 yo...lol...I have no idea. They have made things pretty difficult on the cowboys through the years...much like the WPRA has on its cowgirls. Of all the rule change propositions set out by the members and 'athletes' in both associations hardly any...if any...are approved. There may be valid reason for some of them...for instance...because of PETA, the "no jerk-down" rule in the PRCA for tie-down....I can see why they may have implemented that. At the same time we have guys trying to flank yearlings right now haha because they didn't then go to their contractors with any standards on the size of calves they can bring. So fans are now watching our top guys get mauled...and the cowboys aren't winning much. In the same regards, I went to a couple rodeos where I swear to GAWD the calves still had mother's milk on their breath they were so tiny....how in the world are you NOT going to jerk one down. I guess the ERA is trying to do things their way...different from how some guys around a board meeting think things need to be done. LETS NOT FORGET HOW MUCH MONEY THEY STAND TO MAKE AS OWNERS AND HOW MANY OF THEM WILL BE SET UP LOOOOONG AFTER THEY RETIRE OR STOP WINNING. SO NO...the PRCA doesn't care about the cowboys or cowgirls (our ground)........and the ERA was founded to make people rich. Period. Champions Challenges televise the best of the best throughout the year at that time....so that is not what this is about.."growing the sport". This is about the ERA athletes doing it their way and making a ton of money in the process. |
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| Nevertooold - 2015-09-25 12:24 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
I can't say, maybe when it started? (Just guessing cuz that was before my time). The way I see it, PRCA ways are PRCA ways, they aren't going to change. PRCA contestants in the past eventually retired from rodeo because they got tired of the travelling and having to live like a carny, (among lots of other things). But they all knew going into it what was required to play the sport, so why could they complain about it? It was their choice to participate in it even though they were well aware of all it's downfalls. It's kind of like, why try to take a run at the Triple Crown in racing when you know going into it that it is very hard to win all three races and then complain about how it has always been ran since the beginning of time? Like, why choose to be a PRCA member and enter PRCA rodeos when you know that it's not an easy lifestyle if your goal is to get to the NFR?
ERA is a new organization that is created to give cowboys a better quality of life while still being able to play the sport that they love- I think they have the right to do that, their only other option is to step away from professional rodeo because the travel and other PRCA pain in the arse issues are not worth the hassle anymore. Obviously, they don't want to retire like others have had to in the past when they no longer liked the rodeo road. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | trickster j - 2015-09-25 6:27 PM Nevertooold - 2015-09-25 12:24 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
ERA is a new organization that is created to give cowboys a better quality of life while still being able to play the sport that they love- I think they have the right to do that, their only other option is to step away from professional rodeo because the travel and other PRCA pain in the arse issues are not worth the hassle anymore. Obviously, they don't want to retire like others have had to in the past when they no longer liked the rodeo road.
^^^^^ THIS.......I am old ..... and for years the PRCA has tried to keep the cowboys "under their thumb" and NEVER really listened to those who traveled up and down the road trying to making a living! |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Nevertooold - 2015-09-25 2:24 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
I never said they put the cowboy first. I said one hand has washed the other and for all of time, they needed each other. PRCA needs it's "star's" and they have done a good job promoting those "Star's" and bringing them to the forefront and because of that, they have been able to garner alot of extra income by sponsorsips, advertisements, commentating, promotion of other services goods and products. If it werent for the PRCA, lets fae it,,,,,,how well known would say Trevor Brazil be if all these years he didnt have the PRCA? Only unsanctioned here and there rodeo's? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | ThreeCorners - 2015-09-27 10:49 AM Nevertooold - 2015-09-25 2:24 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
I will say I really don't care one way or the other but as far as the PRCA, I don't recall them ever promoting their stars. The ones promoting the stars has been the sponsors and the advertisers.
I will say that the ERA is promoting their stars and they have constant posts on FB when they do good. My feed is full of promotion of individuals every day. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | crapshooter - 2015-09-27 4:05 PM Why am I too stoopid to find it on Facebook? I put in Elite Rodeo and can't find it. I tried Athletes and Association because I didn't know the last word.
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Location: SE Louisiana | crapshooter - 2015-09-27 4:05 PM
Why am I too stoopid to find it on Facebook? I put in Elite Rodeo and can't find it. I tried Athletes and Association because I didn't know the last word.
It's easier to find a page like that if you Google -- elite rodeo facebook
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Sad to say these days are long over. I've been associated with the PRCA for 48 years and a member for 29, so I get to spew my opinion! smile emoticon When you decide to rodeo for a living, you know the deal. Cowboys are not multi-million dollar athletes. And, I say YAY! There are a lot of things that rodeo has that the other major sports don't. Throwing that much money in the sport would ruin what makes rodeo so great. The ERA has filed a lawsuit against the PRCA. Well, good for them. The PRCA must protect its brand. You can't be on the board of Coca Cola and drive a Pepsi truck. It appears several people want their cake and to eat it too. They want to run off, start their own "elite" association, limited to just certain people. But, they want to be able to use the PRCA to further their gains also. I get pretty tired of all these different flash in the pan associations using the PRCA as their qualifying criteria. The PBR started that way, but it didn't stay that way. The ERA should use the PBR as an example... The PBR didn't go out and try to steal existing rodeos. They went and did their own thing. Most current PBR members are not PRCA members, and a good percentage never have been. THe PBR is no longer using the PRCA as a qualifying organization. A lot of people posting on FB today keep trying to compare the ERA to the PBR, USTRC, WSTR, and you can't. It's apples and oranges. Those associations are all about ONE event. They are not rodeos. The defunct PRS was not a rodeo, it was rough stock only. Once you go over 4 events, it is considered a rodeo. ERA is actively recruiting existing rodeos. Something the PBR and USTRC never did. They set their elite criteria for the rodeos too, not just the cowboys. The PRCA is the only association that has rodeos "elite" enough to qualify for ERA.. Hhhhhmmmm.... Where will they get their rodeos??? This is just getting ridiculous. Go actually build your association and STOP the coattailing. Too many are using their fame and fortune built with the PRCA to legitimize themselves AWAY from the PRCA. Which is wrong. Look at the ERA website. It is advertising all these World Champions. Are they ERA world champions??? No. So don't advertise them them that way. There have been several professional football leagues try to get a very small piece of the NFL pie. With big name players and big money behind them. Didn't work. The old cliche is true: Dance with the one that brought you. Oh, and yes, I do realize I'm not nearly elite enough for the ERA. Never thought I was. Heck, I'm not even elite enough for the PRCA! I've applied for several jobs there, but not even a "No Thank You".. I'm loyal to a fault and I know where MY loyalty lies. Where is yours??
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | Nevertooold - 2015-09-27 11:37 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-09-27 10:49 AM Nevertooold - 2015-09-25 2:24 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
I will say that the ERA is promoting their stars and they have constant posts on FB when they do good. My feed is full of promotion of individuals every day.
You have got to be kidding me. The PRCA has been limiting rodeos for years with the excuse that they want to showcase their stars. That is why you go to San Antonio or Houston and can go to four perfs in a row and see the same people. |
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Just wondered if anyone had updates on all this?
There's a good article in the month's Western Horseman magazine on the PRCA "vs" the ERA.
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Location: The Great Northwest | ksjackofalltrades - 2015-12-19 12:52 PM Nevertooold - 2015-09-27 11:37 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-09-27 10:49 AM Nevertooold - 2015-09-25 2:24 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
I will say that the ERA is promoting their stars and they have constant posts on FB when they do good. My feed is full of promotion of individuals every day.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | ksjackofalltrades - 2015-12-18 3:52 PM Nevertooold - 2015-09-27 11:37 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-09-27 10:49 AM Nevertooold - 2015-09-25 2:24 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 9:46 PM trickster j - 2015-09-24 2:47 PM I get that the ERA founders and members are tired of the traveling required to make it to the top and stay there. If they don't want to do it anymore, they can either retire and stay closer to home where they can focus on their families and other interests like the generations and generations of world chammpions before them did, or create a new organization where they can do those things as well as stay in the spotlight and earn money rodeoing. I personally think it is just a newer generation of thought that decides to create a new organization to benefit just themselves. just my thought-
I agree with you. I get both sides here. I get it. BUT, what ever happened to some semblence of loyalty? BOTH the contestants, and the PRCA have washed each others hands for all of time and it takes both.They wouldnt be who they are and the known persona's if it werent for the PRCA. I also get they want to make more money and travel less. I thought tahat was the premise behind the champions challenge was. But the way they set the ERA up they stand to make ALOT more money as "owners" if they can get it off the ground. Franchise, ticket sales, advertisments during airing percentages, sponsorships, ect and the money could/would flow long after they stop competing because they are vested owners. I get it. So go do that. They think their name is going to sell it, so ok, go be all that. Yet they want that piece, plus the PRCA .Seems to me they can work their own rodeo's as I thought that was the whole premise anyways, go to the unsanctioned rodeo's if they want, and heck, now they would be fair game for the million from the American!! Isnt that enough? I will be deeply saddened if they try to sue the PRCA.
I will say that the ERA is promoting their stars and they have constant posts on FB when they do good. My feed is full of promotion of individuals every day.
I absolutely hate the limited rodeos but I have never looked at it as the PRCA promoting their elite but instead taking care of their stock contractors so they wouldn't have to have the cost of putting on slack. We use to go and watch the slack at the Rose Palace for San Antonio. It was great but I know it was costly but that is part of putting on a rodeo.
My point is...It's never about the cowboys..it's about taking care of everyone else involved.
Trust me...the people in San Antonio don't go to the rodeo to watch the elite rodeo contestants perform...they go to watch the singers perform. Without those acts the AT&T center would be pretty much empty.
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Location: Texas | Even with the limited entries, I don't think that Houston could fill the building without the musical performers. |
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| RocketPilot - 2015-12-19 1:24 PM Even with the limited entries, I don't think that Houston could fill the building without the musical performers.
I've never been to Houston, but I've always thought the same thing. I've always figured a place that big wouldn't be filled just on rodeo alone. If it weren't for the livestock show drawing in people to the area and the concerts filling the seats, I would say it wouldn't be done. They bring in people like Beyonce. I can only assume most who go to Houston don't care a thing about rodeo. It's just something they have to sit through to see the concert they really came to see. I know there are a lot of rodeo fans in the seats too, but not to the record seating they can hold there. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | It would be interesting if they did a poll at the NFR to find out how many are really Rodeo Fans and who are there for the first time? Seems the real rodeo fans are sitting and watching the performances on a big screen at the different casinos. The ticket prices are out of control and only the "Elite" fans can afford good seats..LOL |
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| sodapop - 2015-12-19 3:09 PM
RocketPilot - 2015-12-19 1:24 PM Even with the limited entries, I don't think that Houston could fill the building without the musical performers.
I've never been to Houston, but I've always thought the same thing. I've always figured a place that big wouldn't be filled just on rodeo alone. If it weren't for the livestock show drawing in people to the area and the concerts filling the seats, I would say it wouldn't be done. They bring in people like Beyonce. I can only assume most who go to Houston don't care a thing about rodeo. It's just something they have to sit through to see the concert they really came to see. I know there are a lot of rodeo fans in the seats too, but not to the record seating they can hold there.
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Location: Texas | TyE - 2015-12-19 5:56 PM sodapop - 2015-12-19 3:09 PM RocketPilot - 2015-12-19 1:24 PM Even with the limited entries, I don't think that Houston could fill the building without the musical performers. I've never been to Houston, but I've always thought the same thing. I've always figured a place that big wouldn't be filled just on rodeo alone. If it weren't for the livestock show drawing in people to the area and the concerts filling the seats, I would say it wouldn't be done. They bring in people like Beyonce. I can only assume most who go to Houston don't care a thing about rodeo. It's just something they have to sit through to see the concert they really came to see. I know there are a lot of rodeo fans in the seats too, but not to the record seating they can hold there. Someone needs to inform the leaders of the ERA of this.
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| RocketPilot - 2015-12-19 6:54 PM
TyE - 2015-12-19 5:56 PM sodapop - 2015-12-19 3:09 PM RocketPilot - 2015-12-19 1:24 PM Even with the limited entries, I don't think that Houston could fill the building without the musical performers. I've never been to Houston, but I've always thought the same thing. I've always figured a place that big wouldn't be filled just on rodeo alone. If it weren't for the livestock show drawing in people to the area and the concerts filling the seats, I would say it wouldn't be done. They bring in people like Beyonce. I can only assume most who go to Houston don't care a thing about rodeo. It's just something they have to sit through to see the concert they really came to see. I know there are a lot of rodeo fans in the seats too, but not to the record seating they can hold there. Someone needs to inform the leaders of the ERA of this.
Do you feel that this is a new trend at the Houston Rodeo? I saw the Jackson Five at the Houston Rodeo in 1974. I don't recall them playing country music but it has been quite a long time. |
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Location: Texas | streakysox - 2015-12-20 10:03 AM RocketPilot - 2015-12-19 6:54 PM TyE - 2015-12-19 5:56 PM sodapop - 2015-12-19 3:09 PM RocketPilot - 2015-12-19 1:24 PM Even with the limited entries, I don't think that Houston could fill the building without the musical performers. I've never been to Houston, but I've always thought the same thing. I've always figured a place that big wouldn't be filled just on rodeo alone. If it weren't for the livestock show drawing in people to the area and the concerts filling the seats, I would say it wouldn't be done. They bring in people like Beyonce. I can only assume most who go to Houston don't care a thing about rodeo. It's just something they have to sit through to see the concert they really came to see. I know there are a lot of rodeo fans in the seats too, but not to the record seating they can hold there. Someone needs to inform the leaders of the ERA of this. Do you feel that this is a new trend at the Houston Rodeo? I saw the Jackson Five at the Houston Rodeo in 1974. I don't recall them playing country music but it has been quite a long time.
No, it is definitely not a new trend. I can remember Cher & Donnie and Marie at Houston. It seems like my son was always up on Tejano day and the hispanic community turns on in droves. We joked that it was his fate and heritage to draw up that day. It is a way to fill the buildings. |
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