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Location: Pa | Just curious, has anyone ever bought a cheap horse without fancy bloodlines turn into a great barrel horse? I bought an unregistered 10year old hardly broke mutt horse who is now placing in rodeos. I spent $400 on this horse and I love her like crazy and she's just amazing. I wouldn't sell her for a million dollars. Anyone have a similar experience ? (: |
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| Wasn't mine, but i rode with a friend to pick up a horse. He gave $375 for it. A pretty common looking paint horse BTW. I thought he over paid. He bought it for his daughter. It ended up 20.??? second pole horse, and was just about as good on barrels. |
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| Friends of mine, lost their daughter's horse and they were looking for something kid gentle that sort of knew the pattern. Another friend told me about a kid horse that a trader bought in a sale that was supposed to be 15 but mouthed at 20ish. He looked like he fit the little girl well so they bought him for about $1500. Turned out that bad boy was 1D anywhere you wanted to run him. That little girl was a flea on that horse because he was about 16 hands. Her parents would walk him down the alley and head him in the right direction bam he was through and walked back to her parents. When she got a new horse that one was passed down to her little sister.
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Location: Pa | It always surprises me how some great horses end up with people who don't even know what they have standing out in their pasture .. |
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| I had an ex bareback bronc given to me...I turned him into a winning 19 second pole horse in a few years (I mean, he was a BUCKING horse. Took a little while to get that out of him, and he would still buck sometimes when he was excited. I learned to live with it). Only could race him for two competitive seasons before he blew up and started flipping over, but he was a nice boy, and would've stayed there if I'd have done more slow work with him (he hated slow work, very edgy naturally and it got to the point I only got on him to run). He was also 16ish when I got him....so he was about 20 when he blew up, not a spring chicken by any means.
So yes, you don't have to spend 40k to get a winning horse. ^^ that gelding never took a lame step in his life. Never needed injections, no fancy supplements, he got a handful of oats and a 4 acre pasture and that kept him fed and fat. He was and still is very quirky and hard to get along with, but once I stayed out of his way, we worked great. haha He's now retired in my pasture at 26 years young, where he is gonna live until he dies. He's started looking rougher these past couple of months, with his eyesight going and his back getting really swayed (he was always a decent horse conformation wise). So this winter will probably be a turning point for him. I've had him for 10ish years now, and, as his 10th owner, he doesn't need to have an 11th one. |
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Location: Central Texas | Paid 500.00 for my guy as a rescue basically. He only runs 3D sometimes 2D but he is consistant and pulls me some checks alot so he's a winner to me. |
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Location: Alabama | i have 2 free horses, 1 QH 1 app mare. they were given to me cause they were "crazy"
i wount argue that my app may have some screws loose, but my QH is the best horse ive ever ridden....
the app has won 20+ buckles & 4 saddles.... my QH was 3 when i got him so i broke him and trained him, hes one of my favorite horses to run, won a reserve in the sate running poles & top 10 in the barrels.... ran in the 2D recently at a super show & has run 1D & rodeos |
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| I paid $400 for my gelding, isnt bred anything fantastic. Actually bred for hunt seat and western pleasure (he was a 3 day evening reject). He is a 2d/3d barrel horse, competitive in the other fun events. My nieces can ride him and I can run him. I wouldnt sell him for a million dollars and I have had a lot of offers. |
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Oldest story that I know about. Seabiscuit!
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Location: Canada | I bought a decent PMU mare for $300 dollars, we found out later she was pasture exposed to a stud and was pregnant. Anyways long story short, that little colt of hers is now doing extremely well in the barrel pen and can then go and win in the pleasure ring as well. I LOVE him!
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Location: Canada | I bought a decent PMU mare for $300 dollars, we found out later she was pasture exposed to a stud and was pregnant. Anyways long story short, that little colt of hers is now doing extremely well in the barrel pen and can then go and win in the pleasure ring as well. I LOVE him!
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Location: Canada | I bought a decent PMU mare for $300 dollars, we found out later she was pasture exposed to a stud and was pregnant. Anyways long story short, that little colt of hers is now doing extremely well in the barrel pen and can then go and win in the pleasure ring as well. I LOVE him!
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Location: SE Louisiana | TNcowgirl88 - 2015-09-24 4:00 PM
Man.... I wish this would happen to me. Sign me up
Well....Ok, but....Just so you know........... I don't think you get your choice of which pasture stud you get exposed to.... So don't expect Brad Pitt...... jus sayin'.... |
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Location: SE Louisiana | TNcowgirl88 - 2015-09-24 4:00 PM
Man.... I wish this would happen to me. Sign me up
Well....Ok, but....Just so you know........... I don't think you get your choice of which pasture stud you get exposed to.... So don't expect Brad Pitt...... jus sayin'.... |
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Location: Pa | Frizzy Lindsay - 2015-09-24 1:18 PM
I bought a decent PMU mare for $300 dollars, we found out later she was pasture exposed to a stud and was pregnant. Anyways long story short, that little colt of hers is now doing extremely well in the barrel pen and can then go and win in the pleasure ring as well. I LOVE him!
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| heidiinaz - 2015-09-24 3:50 PM
Bozo was in a kill pen and I believe she bought him $500
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Location: Kansas | I think Scamper sold for $1500 through an auction and Bozo was purchased for $600 because he bucked.
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| ampratt - 2015-09-24 7:48 AM Paid 500.00 for my guy as a rescue basically. He only runs 3D sometimes 2D but he is consistant and pulls me some checks alot so he's a winner to me.
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Location: MD | I have a few funny stories right from here on this very farm.
Back before they were married Mr JR started going along to some of the horse sales with Carol. He's a farmer. He had never been around horses before they began dating. They were at a sale here in MD and he spotted an ugly, old Paint mare that for some reason, he decided that he was going to buy. Carol showed her lightly at Halter, before she was sent on to the breeding shed. That mare went on to produce multiple World/Reserve World Champion APHA Halter horses. The most notable of those foals is probably Brooks R Dunn and she was purchased for less than his stud fee.
A few years later, they were at a sale in NC and there were a bunch of APHA mares being sold. There were apparently some very nice, well colored mares there. Carol went to the restroom and when she came back, JR told her that he had bought a mare for her. When they went to get her at the end of the day, it turned out to be a barely halter broke 3 yr old, red roan, breeding stock mare. He paid $900 for her. Over the first few months of having her home, Carol noticed that the mare kept getting larger. Sure enough, she was in foal. That little red roan mare spat out a gorgeous bay overo filly. The roan mare made up to be a nice enough horse in her own right, winning saddles at National shows. That little bay overo filly turned out to be the Paint mare that I still run to this day. She has won for us at Super shows, Pro rodeos, etc...
Another mare that I am currently hauling came to me having been used on a ranch. She was rather unbroken, didn't know her leads, no face, etc... I had put about 30 days on her when the owners approached me about trading her for a little Paint gelding I had who would lope through to win the 4D locally. We traded. he gelding was priced super cheap. That mare that we traded for has made up to win several local races, has placed at rodeos, won State titles and is a solid top of the 2D horse at the World Show level.
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| I might be wrong but I believe Sabrina Ketchem bought her good gelding out of the Roswell Livestock barn so I don't think she could have paid more than or around $1000???? |
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| Frodo - 2015-09-24 5:32 PM
I think Scamper sold for $1500 through an auction and Bozo was purchased for $600 because he bucked.
Not dead sure there.....just trying to recall.
A friend of mine bought Sonny Bit-0-Both alongside his mother for $150. Later sold him to Martha.
I remember the big tribute on Hotshot and I thought he said he sold for $550 and was slaughter bound. I found an article that states Bozo was $400 on a feed lot. |
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| Found this interesting article, talks about prices a lot - many of the pros listed
Monday, April 27, 2009High Dollar Horses
In last month's issue of the Western Horseman was a brief article about High-Dollar Barrel Racing(Out of the Chutes by Ed Knocke)...and it has kind of stuck in my craw every since.
I looked for the article online so you all could read it yourselves, but was not able to locate it...so I'm just going to basically hit on a few of the points that sorta torqued me off and why.
"Barrel racing has undergone a major transformation in recent years. Today's women ride racehorses with outstanding pedigrees, not cow horses with ranch savvy. And as the quality of competition has increased, available money has spiraled upward."
There is no doubt this is all true... kinda. It's an odd statement to make when so many barrel horse trainers actually prefer horses that have been used on a ranch or will specifically send their green horses somewhere so they can get some cattle work done on them. Why? Because top barrel horses are more than just racehorses. Barrel racing is not all about speed. You have to have a fast horse...that can also turn a barrel. It's a delicate mix. If it was only a race, you would see more TB's succeeding in barrel racing and well, can anyone think of a single TB that has ever been a great barrel horse? I can't.
Lindsey Spears, speaks of her mare, Martha(worth six figures), "She was born to run barrels, based on her genetics. Her sire competed at the NFR. Even today, he's among the most dominant stallions in barrel racing. There are very few people out there riding $500 horses today."
Yea, she's right. Martha's bloodlines are the cream of the crop. That mare is doing exactly what she was bred to do......And she was almost a wash-out! She was originally intended to be a futurity horse, but wasn't handling that very well. You all want to know why Martha is the great barrel horse she is today? Dena Kirkpatrick KNEW this mare had potential. She KNEW she was a great mare. And she was smart enough not to ruin her by forcing the futurity issue. I always wonder just how many horses with the exact same potential end up washed out and with blown minds because people can't or won't recognize that what they are doing isn't working?
This is where I get more than a bit huffy about what some people think $500 horses are or are capable of achieving. There are a lot of girls going down the road these days that ARE riding high dollar horses. Almost none of them MADE these horses. They are just good at maintaining them and good enough jockeys that they can get good runs out of these horses. But where did these horses come from? They weren't always high dollar horses. Someone had to train them. Someone had to put the time in on them to make them what they are. Cause if they hadn't, they would be $500 horses(or free).
Brittany Pozzi-Pharr thinks cheap barrel horses are a thing of the past. She paid a significant amount for her horse, Stitch, that she won't even reveal the exact figure. "I paid quite a bit for him," she says. "He was already a trained barrel horse and the man who owned him knew what he was."
Well, Duuuhhhh!! Some of these girls...I swear! Anytime you have a good one, you know what they are and you are not going to give them away. BTW, Thanks Brittany...I'm going to jack the price of all my barrel horses several grand...because barrel horses aren't cheap these days. ;-)
The part that irritates me the most is when they compare jockeys, like these girls to people who made their horses. Like...
Charmayne James and Scamper...and Magic....and Cruizer. Charmayne made all of those horses. Particularly Scamper. Charmayne is more than just a jockey on a barrel horse. She can make a horse great-from start to the NFR. I think I remember Scamper's original price was $1500(?).
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Kristie Peterson and Bozo. Yea, Bozo was a $400 purchase. He was also partially blind, cranky, untrained and bad to kick. It took Kristie and her husband YEARS to turn Bozo into a decent saddle horse, much less a 4-time World Champion.
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Kelly Kaminski and Rocky. Kelly raised Rocky, out of a mare she paid $500 for. But she was the one who trained him and made him great.
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Jill Moody and Dolly. Jill doesn't even own Dolly. But she is about the only one who can get along with her. Dolly's owners raised her and think the world of both Jill and Dolly.
Maybe it's because I have a soft spot for the underdog. Maybe, it's because I actually train my own barrel horses...but, I don't think the big change in barrel racing is so much about what a horse costs. I think we have just realized a clear delineation between barrel racers and barrel jockeys.
You know, for a long time, I didn't really care for Sheri Cervi. It was no secret that she came from money and paid big bucks for the horses she rode. But, I read a quote from her one time that raised my level of respect for her wayyyy up there. Basically she just acknowledged that her family did have money and could afford to pay for very nice horses for her. She always wanted to make it to the NFR and she was thankful she had the means to make that dream come true.
Now that's a woman after my own heart. So down to earth and grateful for the opportunities she had available. There was no looking down on others and no need to feel superior because she could afford to buy the best. There is an article about her in the new Western Horseman this month. She is going to make a bid for the NFR on a horse raised by her family. And I for one, hope she kicks some snotty little jockey butt!!
Does this mean I don't respect people who buy finished horses to run barrels on? Absolutely not, if everyone trained their own horses, trainers would be out of business. I just don't like the attitude that you have to pay big bucks to make it.
http://browneyedcowgirls.blogspot.com/2009/04/high-dollar-horses.ht...
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We got him as a 10 yr old, who was broke, but had an attitude. The family had 5 horses and a 4 horse trailer and were looking to unload one before they moved across the country. They couldn't sell anything fast enough, and they knew I loved him from the first moment I saw him.
He's now my mom's barrel horse and he runs 3D. He can run faster, much faster, but he takes care of her and he's very quiet. He does have stellar bloodlines, but I think it was our love and affection that made him great.
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Location: Texas | Our two BEST barrel horses were cheap buys, but they have good papers.
There's also a whole herd of little 1D horses in our area by the same stud.. He's bred well, very well, but not designer barrel bloodlines. Shining Spark and some other stuff. Last Saturday at our race, SIX of his babies were in the 1D. I don't think a single one sold for over 2k.. most of them sold for 1200 or under as colts or fillies. They are all pretty small except for one big one.. the rest are like 14.2-15.0 hands.. push type barrel hunters. He died and I have been scratching my head why I didn't go and buy at least one like a bunch of people in our area did.. haha |
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Location: on my horse | casualdust07 - 2015-09-25 10:59 AM
Our two BEST barrel horses were cheap buys, but they have good papers.
There's also a whole herd of little 1D horses in our area by the same stud.. He's bred well, very well, but not designer barrel bloodlines. Shining Spark and some other stuff. Last Saturday at our race, SIX of his babies were in the 1D. I don't think a single one sold for over 2k.. most of them sold for 1200 or under as colts or fillies. They are all pretty small except for one big one.. the rest are like 14.2-15.0 hands.. push type barrel hunters. He died and I have been scratching my head why I didn't go and buy at least one like a bunch of people in our area did.. haha
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Location: California | The mare in my pic was a $75 at an auction as a 2yr old in 2008. Registered but nothing amazing in there really, some older blood back there but that's it. He sire and dam aren't even broke to ride. That little mare has a heart of gold a grit. While she is not a 1 horse she was doing pretty well. FINALLY kicked off her barrel career this year since I could finally afford to start hauling. Shaved 3 seconds off our time in 1 weekend, brought home 2 checks that weekend. Then everything came to a crashing halt as I am now battling a mystery lameness. We have a vet appointment tomorrow morning and I'm praying hard that it's something that won't end her career right after just starting it. |
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Location: Never in one place long | I haven't personally myself but I do know quite a few people who have. One only paid $30 for a horse at an auction and it's winning money all over. The others only paid a few hundred and have won thousands. I decided that's what I'm doing from now on, buying "kill pen horses" or rescues as my prospects and well, if they don't turn out awesome, at least I haven't spend thousands and I've saved a horse. :) |
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| stayceem - 2015-09-25 10:16 AM
Found this interesting article, talks about prices a lot - many of the pros listed
Monday, April 27, 2009High Dollar Horses
In last month's issue of the Western Horseman was a brief article about High-Dollar Barrel Racing (Out of the Chutes by Ed Knocke )...and it has kind of stuck in my craw every since.
I looked for the article online so you all could read it yourselves, but was not able to locate it...so I'm just going to basically hit on a few of the points that sorta torqued me off and why.
"Barrel racing has undergone a major transformation in recent years. Today's women ride racehorses with outstanding pedigrees, not cow horses with ranch savvy. And as the quality of competition has increased, available money has spiraled upward."
There is no doubt this is all true... kinda. It's an odd statement to make when so many barrel horse trainers actually prefer horses that have been used on a ranch or will specifically send their green horses somewhere so they can get some cattle work done on them. Why? Because top barrel horses are more than just racehorses. Barrel racing is not all about speed. You have to have a fast horse...that can also turn a barrel. It's a delicate mix. If it was only a race, you would see more TB's succeeding in barrel racing and well, can anyone think of a single TB that has ever been a great barrel horse? I can't.
Lindsey Spears, speaks of her mare, Martha (worth six figures ), "She was born to run barrels, based on her genetics. Her sire competed at the NFR. Even today, he's among the most dominant stallions in barrel racing. There are very few people out there riding $500 horses today."
Yea, she's right. Martha's bloodlines are the cream of the crop. That mare is doing exactly what she was bred to do......And she was almost a wash-out! She was originally intended to be a futurity horse, but wasn't handling that very well. You all want to know why Martha is the great barrel horse she is today? Dena Kirkpatrick KNEW this mare had potential. She KNEW she was a great mare. And she was smart enough not to ruin her by forcing the futurity issue. I always wonder just how many horses with the exact same potential end up washed out and with blown minds because people can't or won't recognize that what they are doing isn't working?
This is where I get more than a bit huffy about what some people think $500 horses are or are capable of achieving. There are a lot of girls going down the road these days that ARE riding high dollar horses. Almost none of them MADE these horses. They are just good at maintaining them and good enough jockeys that they can get good runs out of these horses. But where did these horses come from? They weren't always high dollar horses. Someone had to train them. Someone had to put the time in on them to make them what they are. Cause if they hadn't, they would be $500 horses (or free ).
Brittany Pozzi-Pharr thinks cheap barrel horses are a thing of the past. She paid a significant amount for her horse, Stitch, that she won't even reveal the exact figure. "I paid quite a bit for him," she says. "He was already a trained barrel horse and the man who owned him knew what he was."
Well, Duuuhhhh!! Some of these girls...I swear! Anytime you have a good one, you know what they are and you are not going to give them away. BTW, Thanks Brittany...I'm going to jack the price of all my barrel horses several grand...because barrel horses aren't cheap these days. ;- )
The part that irritates me the most is when they compare jockeys, like these girls to people who made their horses. Like...
Charmayne James and Scamper...and Magic....and Cruizer. Charmayne made all of those horses. Particularly Scamper. Charmayne is more than just a jockey on a barrel horse. She can make a horse great-from start to the NFR. I think I remember Scamper's original price was $1500 (? ).
or...
Kristie Peterson and Bozo. Yea, Bozo was a $400 purchase. He was also partially blind, cranky, untrained and bad to kick. It took Kristie and her husband YEARS to turn Bozo into a decent saddle horse, much less a 4-time World Champion.
or even...
Kelly Kaminski and Rocky. Kelly raised Rocky, out of a mare she paid $500 for. But she was the one who trained him and made him great.
how about...
Jill Moody and Dolly. Jill doesn't even own Dolly. But she is about the only one who can get along with her. Dolly's owners raised her and think the world of both Jill and Dolly.
Maybe it's because I have a soft spot for the underdog. Maybe, it's because I actually train my own barrel horses...but, I don't think the big change in barrel racing is so much about what a horse costs. I think we have just realized a clear delineation between barrel racers and barrel jockeys.
You know, for a long time, I didn't really care for Sheri Cervi. It was no secret that she came from money and paid big bucks for the horses she rode. But, I read a quote from her one time that raised my level of respect for her wayyyy up there. Basically she just acknowledged that her family did have money and could afford to pay for very nice horses for her. She always wanted to make it to the NFR and she was thankful she had the means to make that dream come true.
Now that's a woman after my own heart. So down to earth and grateful for the opportunities she had available. There was no looking down on others and no need to feel superior because she could afford to buy the best. There is an article about her in the new Western Horseman this month. She is going to make a bid for the NFR on a horse raised by her family. And I for one, hope she kicks some snotty little jockey butt!!
Does this mean I don't respect people who buy finished horses to run barrels on? Absolutely not, if everyone trained their own horses, trainers would be out of business. I just don't like the attitude that you have to pay big bucks to make it.
http://browneyedcowgirls.blogspot.com/2009/04/high-dollar-horses.ht...
One thing that is annoying is when people leave out a major major player in the training their own horses discussion all together.... FALLON TAYLOR.
She raced Dr Nick Bar and Flowers and Money at only 13 years old all the way to the NFR. Then she bred and trained the 4 full siblings out of those two horses - Babyflo, Neffy, Nick Nack, and Chuck (RIP). All of them are/were stunning barrel horses, for many different riders. I honestly believe that Chuck would've been better than Babyflo had he not gotten hurt and later passed away. Not to mention that now she is running the 3rd generation of this line with Duty (Chuck Me Right), one of the few sons of Chuck, and he is a stunning 4yo (with a equally stunning price tag...haha).
She is one that for some reason is usually left out when talking about the ones who don't just buy their horses trained, and I really don't understand why. She is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that has bred/raced multiple generations of NFR horses (if there are others, please tell).
Edited: Ok, now I see, I was typing too fast for my brain. haha my bad, I knew what I was trying to say and it wouldn't come out right.
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Fallon Taylor did not train Dr Nick Bar, or Flowers and Money. The memory of the late, great Larry Stevens should not be discounted. Larry led Fallon up many an alley on that great stud horse. He made him and he maintained him. Dr Nick Bar was a purchased for Fallon when she was 8 or 9 years old, very shortly after buying her WPRA permit. I remember seeing her win a big rodeo in LA on him when she was just a peanut and it was cool to see!
Someone else knows the history on Flo Jo, I'm sure, but that mare was a good one when they bought her, as well. Mommy and Daddy were always quite happy to boast about how much they paid for her horses. Fallon has done an admirable job over the years, I'm not taking that away from her. I just don't want to see history get taught incorrectly.
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Fallon Taylor did not train Dr Nick Bar, or Flowers and Money. The memory of the late, great Larry Stevens should not be discounted. Larry led Fallon up many an alley on that great stud horse. He made him and he maintained him. Dr Nick Bar was a purchased for Fallon when she was 8 or 9 years old, very shortly after buying her WPRA permit. I remember seeing her win a big rodeo in LA on him when she was just a peanut and it was cool to see!
Someone else knows the history on Flo Jo, I'm sure, but that mare was a good one when they bought her, as well. Mommy and Daddy were always quite happy to boast about how much they paid for her horses. Fallon has done an admirable job over the years, I'm not taking that away from her. I just don't want to see history get taught incorrectly.
I know she didn't train them, that's why I said trained/raced (I meant it as or, should've specified more). Because she did race them at only 13 years old. Which is no light feat. But she did train all the others, which is why I said raced/trained the most NFR generations.
ETA: NOW I see where I messed up, lol I fixed it. I got ahead of myself.
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Location: Arkansas | WrapSnap - 2015-09-25 4:27 PM
Fallon Taylor did not train Dr Nick Bar, or Flowers and Money. The memory of the late, great Larry Stevens should not be discounted. Larry led Fallon up many an alley on that great stud horse. He made him and he maintained him. Dr Nick Bar was a purchased for Fallon when she was 8 or 9 years old, very shortly after buying her WPRA permit. I remember seeing her win a big rodeo in LA on him when she was just a peanut and it was cool to see!
Someone else knows the history on Flo Jo, I'm sure, but that mare was a good one when they bought her, as well. Mommy and Daddy were always quite happy to boast about how much they paid for her horses. Fallon has done an admirable job over the years, I'm not taking that away from her. I just don't want to see history get taught incorrectly.
And Lord knows there's enough incorrect history being taught in the U.S. these days. . . . . |
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Location: In a happy place | casualdust07 - 2015-09-25 11:59 AM Our two BEST barrel horses were cheap buys, but they have good papers. There's also a whole herd of little 1D horses in our area by the same stud.. He's bred well, very well, but not designer barrel bloodlines. Shining Spark and some other stuff. Last Saturday at our race, SIX of his babies were in the 1D. I don't think a single one sold for over 2k.. most of them sold for 1200 or under as colts or fillies. They are all pretty small except for one big one.. the rest are like 14.2-15.0 hands.. push type barrel hunters. He died and I have been scratching my head why I didn't go and buy at least one like a bunch of people in our area did.. haha
I have been wanting to ask you and never got around to it. Do you know what happened to the gelding by my stud horse that Larry Coates sent to someone down here in this area? |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-25 4:00 PM
stayceem - 2015-09-25 10:16 AM
Found this interesting article, talks about prices a lot - many of the pros listed
Monday, April 27, 2009High Dollar Horses
In last month's issue of the Western Horseman was a brief article about High-Dollar Barrel Racing (Out of the Chutes by Ed Knocke )...and it has kind of stuck in my craw every since.
I looked for the article online so you all could read it yourselves, but was not able to locate it...so I'm just going to basically hit on a few of the points that sorta torqued me off and why.
"Barrel racing has undergone a major transformation in recent years. Today's women ride racehorses with outstanding pedigrees, not cow horses with ranch savvy. And as the quality of competition has increased, available money has spiraled upward."
There is no doubt this is all true... kinda. It's an odd statement to make when so many barrel horse trainers actually prefer horses that have been used on a ranch or will specifically send their green horses somewhere so they can get some cattle work done on them. Why? Because top barrel horses are more than just racehorses. Barrel racing is not all about speed. You have to have a fast horse...that can also turn a barrel. It's a delicate mix. If it was only a race, you would see more TB's succeeding in barrel racing and well, can anyone think of a single TB that has ever been a great barrel horse? I can't.
Lindsey Spears, speaks of her mare, Martha (worth six figures ), "She was born to run barrels, based on her genetics. Her sire competed at the NFR. Even today, he's among the most dominant stallions in barrel racing. There are very few people out there riding $500 horses today."
Yea, she's right. Martha's bloodlines are the cream of the crop. That mare is doing exactly what she was bred to do......And she was almost a wash-out! She was originally intended to be a futurity horse, but wasn't handling that very well. You all want to know why Martha is the great barrel horse she is today? Dena Kirkpatrick KNEW this mare had potential. She KNEW she was a great mare. And she was smart enough not to ruin her by forcing the futurity issue. I always wonder just how many horses with the exact same potential end up washed out and with blown minds because people can't or won't recognize that what they are doing isn't working?
This is where I get more than a bit huffy about what some people think $500 horses are or are capable of achieving. There are a lot of girls going down the road these days that ARE riding high dollar horses. Almost none of them MADE these horses. They are just good at maintaining them and good enough jockeys that they can get good runs out of these horses. But where did these horses come from? They weren't always high dollar horses. Someone had to train them. Someone had to put the time in on them to make them what they are. Cause if they hadn't, they would be $500 horses (or free ).
Brittany Pozzi-Pharr thinks cheap barrel horses are a thing of the past. She paid a significant amount for her horse, Stitch, that she won't even reveal the exact figure. "I paid quite a bit for him," she says. "He was already a trained barrel horse and the man who owned him knew what he was."
Well, Duuuhhhh!! Some of these girls...I swear! Anytime you have a good one, you know what they are and you are not going to give them away. BTW, Thanks Brittany...I'm going to jack the price of all my barrel horses several grand...because barrel horses aren't cheap these days. ;- )
The part that irritates me the most is when they compare jockeys, like these girls to people who made their horses. Like...
Charmayne James and Scamper...and Magic....and Cruizer. Charmayne made all of those horses. Particularly Scamper. Charmayne is more than just a jockey on a barrel horse. She can make a horse great-from start to the NFR. I think I remember Scamper's original price was $1500 (? ).
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Kristie Peterson and Bozo. Yea, Bozo was a $400 purchase. He was also partially blind, cranky, untrained and bad to kick. It took Kristie and her husband YEARS to turn Bozo into a decent saddle horse, much less a 4-time World Champion.
or even...
Kelly Kaminski and Rocky. Kelly raised Rocky, out of a mare she paid $500 for. But she was the one who trained him and made him great.
how about...
Jill Moody and Dolly. Jill doesn't even own Dolly. But she is about the only one who can get along with her. Dolly's owners raised her and think the world of both Jill and Dolly.
Maybe it's because I have a soft spot for the underdog. Maybe, it's because I actually train my own barrel horses...but, I don't think the big change in barrel racing is so much about what a horse costs. I think we have just realized a clear delineation between barrel racers and barrel jockeys.
You know, for a long time, I didn't really care for Sheri Cervi. It was no secret that she came from money and paid big bucks for the horses she rode. But, I read a quote from her one time that raised my level of respect for her wayyyy up there. Basically she just acknowledged that her family did have money and could afford to pay for very nice horses for her. She always wanted to make it to the NFR and she was thankful she had the means to make that dream come true.
Now that's a woman after my own heart. So down to earth and grateful for the opportunities she had available. There was no looking down on others and no need to feel superior because she could afford to buy the best. There is an article about her in the new Western Horseman this month. She is going to make a bid for the NFR on a horse raised by her family. And I for one, hope she kicks some snotty little jockey butt!!
Does this mean I don't respect people who buy finished horses to run barrels on? Absolutely not, if everyone trained their own horses, trainers would be out of business. I just don't like the attitude that you have to pay big bucks to make it.
http://browneyedcowgirls.blogspot.com/2009/04/high-dollar-horses.ht...
One thing that is annoying is when people leave out a major major player in the training their own horses discussion all together.... FALLON TAYLOR.
She raced Dr Nick Bar and Flowers and Money at only 13 years old all the way to the NFR. Then she bred and trained the 4 full siblings out of those two horses - Babyflo, Neffy, Nick Nack, and Chuck (RIP ). All of them are/were stunning barrel horses, for many different riders. I honestly believe that Chuck would've been better than Babyflo had he not gotten hurt and later passed away. Not to mention that now she is running the 3rd generation of this line with Duty (Chuck Me Right ), one of the few sons of Chuck, and he is a stunning 4yo (with a equally stunning price tag...haha ).
She is one that for some reason is usually left out when talking about the ones who don't just buy their horses trained, and I really don't understand why. She is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that has bred/raced multiple generations of NFR horses (if there are others, please tell ).
Edited: Ok, now I see, I was typing too fast for my brain. haha my bad, I knew what I was trying to say and it wouldn't come out right.
Sheri Cervi has raced 2 generations
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| It's hard to find good horses at a reasonable price anymore. I never begrudge those who can pay 20,000. And up i can't . Do you think it's starting to hurt barrelracing? |
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| I was just talking about this to another 'seasoned' gal. We've both watched the changes over the last 20 or so years. Competition is MUCH tougher now and the game is so much more expensive. Add in the changes to the circuit system and the reality is that you have to have a truckload of money just to enter and travel enough to make it. The cost of the horse is almost a non-issue comparatively. No more cab over campers, no more slumming it at cheap hotels as a 'treat' or wash rack shampoos. Now it's $100k living quarters zigzagging through all the circuits. Buying a $500 horse and having a chance at the real big time is a story I tell my kids at bedtime now. |
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Location: sunny california | I have looked for years for the right horse. i do find that there are more horse traders than ever before, because of the prices today. I think barrel horses do have more of a definition and thus barrel bloodlines have evolved. I also think that many more horsemen are competitors and their knowledge has grown, so they do know what they have and price them much higher than before. The average horse with those same characteristics would have been priced much lower 25 years ago; even when considering inflation.
That bargain that riders/trainers stumbled on years ago is so rare today and will probably become even more rare as barrel racing evolves. One thing that is different is Horse brokers, Nowadays if an owner doesn't know what they have they take it to a broker to get evalutated and sold and so that price that might have been real super cheap with an unknowledible owner has now skyrocketed.
so now the very best horses are more than likely owned by people with considerable wealth or were bred by a breeder with considerable resources such as LAND. These owners if they place their horse with a horseman to promote them will end up choosing one that already has a reputation that was built before it became almost impossible to break into this buisness. They simply do not hand the reins over to someone that is stuggling for their first break.
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Location: Bigfoot Country | No doubt, great horses come from all walks of life! That being said, the bloodlines of today are being specialized just like the halter horses, cutting horses, pleasure horses. Certain bloodlines just do better at barrel racing and they are being bred to others like them. Trainers prefer certain bloodlines because of their trainability, or their style that gets along with how that trainer rides. Jordan Briggs prefers Frenchmans Guy bloodlines, Lance Graves prefers Dash Ta Fame, etc. These high profile trainers don't train just to train, they train to win! And have figured out what bloodlines suit them. Barrel racing has definitely evolved, and is getting very exciting to watch! |
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| We got one. |
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| Itsme - 2015-09-27 3:44 PM
We got one.
OOOPS, I miss read that, ours is turning out to be a real wiener. |
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Location: South Central Florida | We had one. Cheap is flexible, but we paid $3K for an 11 year old mare. She won about $60K in money, prizes and trailers. Was 2nd at NHSRA Finals, won the Open 2D sweepstakes at NBHA World 2006 behind Hot Shor, then won thw 2D Finals behind Papa Stop 3 days later. Won lots of Open PCA Rodeos and 1d money. None of the gigantic names on her papers. Probably would not look at her blood lines before.I do now though :) |
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Location: California | What do you consider a "horse trader".
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Location: Soon to be outta here:) | I bought my good mare for 2000 dollars as a 14 year old kid. I used baby sitting money for half of her and borrowed the other half from my grandpa (my parents were never into horses and I didn't want them to have a say in my horse so I bought her myself haha) and paid him back. She was a scrawny, downhill, ugly little think with a huge crack in her hoof that didn't even know how to back up when I bought her and couldn't even come close to loping a circle. 2 years later she was a little BA and was a consistent 1d/2d horse. She won me a lot of money the last summer I ran her, the last weekend we ran she was in the top of the 1d against tough horses. She was off for the winter and the next spring she broke her coffin bone. 3 years after that she is back to running and this summer was ran by an 11 year old who won buckles on her and pulled a check almost every time she ran. She's literally worth her weight in gold. I thank god every day I bought the scrawny little horse with a crack in her hoof when I was 14! |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | *almost there* - 2015-09-27 8:55 PM What do you consider a "horse trader".
Someone who buys and sells horses for profit. Please don't read more into it. |
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| My mother in law picked out my boy at a sale. Paid $150 bucks for him when he was a lanky long yearling. My husband then bought him for $600 as a 3 yr old. I started him on barrels as 4 yr old, then he went to the roping pen where he was hauled (and won) at the pro rodeos as a heel horse. I stole him back and he has placed in the 1D at jackpots in my area, and is really starting to make a rodeo horse. Everyone that knows his story tells me I will never get so lucky again. lol. |
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| WrapSnap - 2015-09-25 4:27 PM
Fallon Taylor did not train Dr Nick Bar, or Flowers and Money. The memory of the late, great Larry Stevens should not be discounted. Larry led Fallon up many an alley on that great stud horse. He made him and he maintained him. Dr Nick Bar was a purchased for Fallon when she was 8 or 9 years old, very shortly after buying her WPRA permit. I remember seeing her win a big rodeo in LA on him when she was just a peanut and it was cool to see!
Someone else knows the history on Flo Jo, I'm sure, but that mare was a good one when they bought her, as well. Mommy and Daddy were always quite happy to boast about how much they paid for her horses. Fallon has done an admirable job over the years, I'm not taking that away from her. I just don't want to see history get taught incorrectly.
I was lucky enough to ride 2 of the horses he owned/trained.
They were flawless just like the others. He was such a great trainer/jockey! |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | We bought my mare for $800. She was 7 and had been sitting for 4 years. As a 3 year old she was patterned but (somehow) was too much for the lady's young kids to ride. They said she was crazy and she wouldn't even get on the mare for me to see her ridden. Took the gamble and brought her home. She won't make the nfr, but luckily that's not a goal of mine. She runs high 17s and low 18s. 22s in poles and improving all the time. She's not the best and she's not perfect, but she's amazing to me. |
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Location: Louisiana | I had one. I always wish that our ages had been flipped lol. I was 10 and he was 20 when we got together. He still had "it" those first couple of years we ran together, but I was playing catch up lol. He was a 19 sec pole horse, and could hang with the big girls at rodeos. But by the time I was really riding good, he had just slowed down. I ran him in poles until I was a senior in HS, actually I ran him the weekend before he passed.
He was just a grade gelding broke on a trail ride and taught to race anything that ran past lol. My uncle trained him for my cousin, and I ended up with him when my horse got hurt. He had a rough life before he came to us. He wasn't taken care of at all, but had zero joint issues, and just amazed any chiros and vets that saw him.
I still wish I had been 20, and he 10 when I got him!!
I'm going to try to post a couple of pics, they don't normally work on my phone. In both he is over 25 for sure. Being grade we just had to patch his age together lol, but we know all of his past owners so it's a pretty good estimate, assuming the first one really bought him as a 3yo.
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