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    Location: California | After finally kicking off my paint mare's barrel racing career in August it has come to a slamming halt. After getting her adjusted by a chiro because she felt stiff to the left she has been lame almost a month now. Through tons of trial and error and quite a bit of money I finally have answers. Today we made the 2 hour drive to Reata Equine Hospital in Weatherford, Tx. Dr Sutherland is amazing as is the staff there! From now on I will be doing most my horse business at Reata. They are very attentive, thorough, and very reasonably priced.
Serenity's barrel racing career is over. She has abnormal vertebrae and can not handle the stress. She has spots that are pretty jagged and other areas don't have quite enough space in between them so in certain maneuvers the vertebrae end up rubbing which over time has cause some calcification and created some grooves. Front left coffin joint is inflamed from over compensating on it for so long. Vet wanted to inject in between her vertebrae to get the inflammation down in those muscles and the coffin joint but I just can't afford all that right now, so we are doing 5 days of Bute and muscle relaxers and going from there.
She SHOULD be ok to ride after all the inflammation goes down but no guarantees. This mare is my heart and soul, I am completely crushed. I keep reminding myself that it could have been so much worse and at least I still have her. I will just have to switch my focus to her 3yr old son by Howelling Corona. I have been slacking on him not really in any rush but he has now been promoted to being my main mount. |
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      Location: In my own world | Serenity06 - 2015-09-26 7:44 PM
After finally kicking off my paint mare's barrel racing career in August it has come to a slamming halt. After getting her adjusted by a chiro because she felt stiff to the left she has been lame almost a month now. Through tons of trial and error and quite a bit of money I finally have answers. Today we made the 2 hour drive to Reata Equine Hospital in Weatherford, Tx. Dr Sutherland is amazing as is the staff there! From now on I will be doing most my horse business at Reata. They are very attentive, thorough, and very reasonably priced.
Serenity's barrel racing career is over. She has abnormal vertebrae and can not handle the stress. She has spots that are pretty jagged and other areas don't have quite enough space in between them so in certain maneuvers the vertebrae end up rubbing which over time has cause some calcification and created some grooves. Front left coffin joint is inflamed from over compensating on it for so long. Vet wanted to inject in between her vertebrae to get the inflammation down in those muscles and the coffin joint but I just can't afford all that right now, so we are doing 5 days of Bute and muscle relaxers and going from there.
She SHOULD be ok to ride after all the inflammation goes down but no guarantees. This mare is my heart and soul, I am completely crushed. I keep reminding myself that it could have been so much worse and at least I still have her. I will just have to switch my focus to her 3yr old son by Howelling Corona. I have been slacking on him not really in any rush but he has now been promoted to being my main mount.
So does that mean they diagnosed her with Kissing Spine? I am so sorry. I have a KS horse too and we did injections and she is great. However she wasn't displaying many outward signs of discomfort. So sorry. Best of luck to you |
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    Location: California | Honestly she didn't say it was so I'm not sure. All the examples I've seen of kissing spine x-rays seem a bit more severe then my mare's x-rays. She does have less spacing between some vertebrae but they do not rub all the time... If it still counts as kissing spine I'm not sure. I'll have to double check with the vet...
Thanks guys. I have my own slew of pretty obnoxious back issues which are ironically very similar to my mare's. I honestly know the pain she is in and I simply can not believe she was running barrels fr me and winning checks with these issues going on. I feel horrible all at the same time. I am very thankful to finally have answers and to now be able to help her. I am also glad I insisted that I take her to a better vet instead of listening to all the people who told me to just turn her out. I KNEW something was very wrong, I just couldn't figure out what.
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      Location: Arkansas | Serenity06 - 2015-09-26 8:24 PM
Honestly she didn't say it was so I'm not sure. All the examples I've seen of kissing spine x-rays seem a bit more severe then my mare's x-rays. She does have less spacing between some vertebrae but they do not rub all the time... If it still counts as kissing spine I'm not sure. I'll have to double check with the vet...
Thanks guys. I have my own slew of pretty obnoxious back issues which are ironically very similar to my mare's. I honestly know the pain she is in and I simply can not believe she was running barrels fr me and winning checks with these issues going on. I feel horrible all at the same time. I am very thankful to finally have answers and to now be able to help her. I am also glad I insisted that I take her to a better vet instead of listening to all the people who told me to just turn her out. I KNEW something was very wrong, I just couldn't figure out what.
You had her best interests at heart and did what was right, so don't beat yourself up. Now you're gonna make sure she's taken care of and comfortable---she couldn't ask for more. Prayers that she will be rideable and will make you more nice babies in the future!! |
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    Location: California | Chandler's Mom - 2015-09-26 8:14 PM
Serenity06 - 2015-09-26 8:24 PM
Honestly she didn't say it was so I'm not sure. All the examples I've seen of kissing spine x-rays seem a bit more severe then my mare's x-rays. She does have less spacing between some vertebrae but they do not rub all the time... If it still counts as kissing spine I'm not sure. I'll have to double check with the vet...
Thanks guys. I have my own slew of pretty obnoxious back issues which are ironically very similar to my mare's. I honestly know the pain she is in and I simply can not believe she was running barrels fr me and winning checks with these issues going on. I feel horrible all at the same time. I am very thankful to finally have answers and to now be able to help her. I am also glad I insisted that I take her to a better vet instead of listening to all the people who told me to just turn her out. I KNEW something was very wrong, I just couldn't figure out what.
You had her best interests at heart and did what was right, so don't beat yourself up. Now you're gonna make sure she's taken care of and comfortable---she couldn't ask for more. Prayers that she will be rideable and will make you more nice babies in the future!!
Thank you! The vet could tell I felt horrible that I couldn't afford all those injections right now. She was so helpful and compassionate! If after this 5 day treatment she still needs to be injected then I will make the funds be available. Serenity's comfort is my absolute main concern. I did ask about breeding her and the vet doesn't think that would be an issue at all. Not exactly something I'm dead set on doing yet but her 3rd old is awfully darn nice so far... We will see what comes about with all this one day at a time.
Even if all she ends up being is a pasture pet she has a home here till her last day. She may end up an expensive pasture pet but oh well. Lol |
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      Location: Arkansas | Serenity06 - 2015-09-26 9:38 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-09-26 8:14 PM
Serenity06 - 2015-09-26 8:24 PM
Honestly she didn't say it was so I'm not sure. All the examples I've seen of kissing spine x-rays seem a bit more severe then my mare's x-rays. She does have less spacing between some vertebrae but they do not rub all the time... If it still counts as kissing spine I'm not sure. I'll have to double check with the vet...
Thanks guys. I have my own slew of pretty obnoxious back issues which are ironically very similar to my mare's. I honestly know the pain she is in and I simply can not believe she was running barrels fr me and winning checks with these issues going on. I feel horrible all at the same time. I am very thankful to finally have answers and to now be able to help her. I am also glad I insisted that I take her to a better vet instead of listening to all the people who told me to just turn her out. I KNEW something was very wrong, I just couldn't figure out what.
You had her best interests at heart and did what was right, so don't beat yourself up. Now you're gonna make sure she's taken care of and comfortable---she couldn't ask for more. Prayers that she will be rideable and will make you more nice babies in the future!!
Thank you! The vet could tell I felt horrible that I couldn't afford all those injections right now. She was so helpful and compassionate! If after this 5 day treatment she still needs to be injected then I will make the funds be available. Serenity's comfort is my absolute main concern. I did ask about breeding her and the vet doesn't think that would be an issue at all. Not exactly something I'm dead set on doing yet but her 3rd old is awfully darn nice so far... We will see what comes about with all this one day at a time.
Even if all she ends up being is a pasture pet she has a home here till her last day. She may end up an expensive pasture pet but oh well. Lol
My son has a 15 year old mare and we found out about 6 or 7 weeks ago that her riding career is over--weak suspensories and hard use prior to our owning her. She was an awesome barrel mare---buckles, saddles, an arena record. . . . He used her for barrels and play days and then I took her as my trail horse. Broke my heart when the vet told me that if I had another horse to ride than he would retire her. But, her comfort and well being are the most important things to me, so it was a no brainer. I wanted a baby from her so bad, but figured that was a no go after he said "conformation" issue. However, two vets, a breeder, and my farrier all said I should go for it, just find a stud that would overcome her weakness (post-legged). She's had one colt and he's 6 or 7 I believe; he is owned by the people we bought her from, and he's won grand champion in halter for the last few years at their state show as well as being a really nice barrel horse. I just have to decide what to do. . . . And then of course I worry about baby weight on her!!!!! Decisions, decisions!!!!
She's our second pasture pet, but like you said, they have a home for life. I owe them that. |
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   Location: Oklahoma | Hate to hear that for you! I just went thru the exact same ordeal in July. Absolutely heartbreaking, but just know that you are doing right by her and will be keeping her happy and comfortable and for that you deserve a pat on the back. |
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      Location: Texas | I am sorry to hear this but if her back is the main issue ..... Surgery can fix it. There are two types of surgery on is the one that Honnas does and is approx 4k. And the other is a ligament release type of surgery and is approx 2000 to 2500. If this horse is worth it I would save up for it. Also many horses can be managed by back injections vs surgery. So what I'm saying is that this does NOT have to be career ending
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    Location: California | Thanks everyone. Whenever they email me her xrays I'll share them. I'm not entertained with life's irony of my and her having similar back issue. Her comfort and we'll being will always be my main goal.
The vet did mention the surgery. By the look on her face when she talked about it I imagine back surgery on horses comes with the same risks as with people. I was told if I opted for surgery that the arthritis I could end up with in the area could be a worse pain. While no guarantees it would end up that way, it's a risk. It may be something I consider in the future for her, if not then she has earned her semi retirement or retirement, however it plays out. She may not have truly done much performance wise but she has been my rock for the last 7yrs. She came into my life when I really needed her and has taught me more then any othere human or horse could have ever hoped to teach me. If her son can have half the heart and grit his mom has, he'll be a darn nice horse. |
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      Location: Arkansas | Serenity06 - 2015-09-27 6:52 AM
Thanks everyone. Whenever they email me her xrays I'll share them. I'm not entertained with life's irony of my and her having similar back issue. Her comfort and we'll being will always be my main goal.
The vet did mention the surgery. By the look on her face when she talked about it I imagine back surgery on horses comes with the same risks as with people. I was told if I opted for surgery that the arthritis I could end up with in the area could be a worse pain. While no guarantees it would end up that way, it's a risk. It may be something I consider in the future for her, if not then she has earned her semi retirement or retirement, however it plays out. She may not have truly done much performance wise but she has been my rock for the last 7yrs. She came into my life when I really needed her and has taught me more then any othere human or horse could have ever hoped to teach me. If her son can have half the heart and grit his mom has, he'll be a darn nice horse.
Please keep us updated on her. . . . |
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    Location: California | Thankso guys! I will keep you updated as we progress with it all.
It's hard to be excited for the future now but I'm sure if I can just get motivated with her son that will change. Serenity definitely seems more comfortable already with the Bute and muscle relaxers. I'm trying to stay positive :) |
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Only 3 out of the 7 wereally under the max limit. Grrr!
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         Location: North Dakota | Serenity06 - 2015-09-26 9:38 PM Chandler's Mom - 2015-09-26 8:14 PM Serenity06 - 2015-09-26 8:24 PM Honestly she didn't say it was so I'm not sure. All the examples I've seen of kissing spine x-rays seem a bit more severe then my mare's x-rays. She does have less spacing between some vertebrae but they do not rub all the time... If it still counts as kissing spine I'm not sure. I'll have to double check with the vet... Thanks guys. I have my own slew of pretty obnoxious back issues which are ironically very similar to my mare's. I honestly know the pain she is in and I simply can not believe she was running barrels fr me and winning checks with these issues going on. I feel horrible all at the same time. I am very thankful to finally have answers and to now be able to help her. I am also glad I insisted that I take her to a better vet instead of listening to all the people who told me to just turn her out. I KNEW something was very wrong, I just couldn't figure out what. You had her best interests at heart and did what was right, so don't beat yourself up. Now you're gonna make sure she's taken care of and comfortable---she couldn't ask for more. Prayers that she will be rideable and will make you more nice babies in the future!! Thank you! The vet could tell I felt horrible that I couldn't afford all those injections right now. She was so helpful and compassionate! If after this 5 day treatment she still needs to be injected then I will make the funds be available. Serenity's comfort is my absolute main concern. I did ask about breeding her and the vet doesn't think that would be an issue at all. Not exactly something I'm dead set on doing yet but her 3rd old is awfully darn nice so far... We will see what comes about with all this one day at a time. Even if all she ends up being is a pasture pet she has a home here till her last day. She may end up an expensive pasture pet but oh well. Lol
That sounds a bit similar to my gelding. He has a few SDP's that are closer together than they should be and 2 that overlap a little. I discovered it when he was layed up with another issue for a few months, causing his topline to waste away, and one day I was brushing him and he practically folded in half when I touched his back. Nothing helped until we decided to go ahead and x-ray his whole back and inject it. Poor guy had 8 needles in his back but it helped SO MUCH. The pain in the SDP's that were a little close went away completely and it helped the overlapped ones in his loin area enough to where I could start lunging him and getting his back stronger. Once he had grown enough of a topline to carry me I brought him back to riding very slowly. Now he's 99% pain free unless he were to get like a week off or something, then he gets a little sore. I'm prepared for the fact that he may need surgery in the future and I'm fine with that. I do not run barrels on him (low level mounted shooting, western dressage, trail riding) so I hope to keep him sound for another 20 years! So yeah, I feel for you. This stuff can be hard. Hopefully your girl will at least be like mine, and be able to do less jarring activities for a long time! |
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    Location: California | I sent Dr Honnas in Bryan, Texas a message. From all the past threads I read on here here he seems to be the go to person for kissing spine. So hopefully I can get his opinion as well. My farrier also noticed on her hoof xrays of her front left that she has side bone on both sides of the coffin joint. The vet didn't mention that at all. The hoof xrays said they were over the limit to upload. I'll figure out how to get it to work.
Serenity seems more comfortable on the Bute and muscle relaxers. It looks like the inflammation of the muscles in her lower back and leading over her hips has gone down! The muscles around her witherson look like they are wasting away though :( |
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    Location: California | Dr Honnas doesn't think she is a candidate for surgery and that once we get the inflammation down the bones should quit rubbing. In his opinion if the inflammation is kept down then her career may not be over after all.... That would be amazing! |
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    Location: California | I will definitely keep updating. Hopefully I can be so lucky. Dr Sutherland seemed to think it was the end of her career.. |
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         Location: North Dakota | Serenity06 - 2015-09-29 9:46 PM Dr Honnas doesn't think she is a candidate for surgery and that once we get the inflammation down the bones should quit rubbing. In his opinion if the inflammation is kept down then her career may not be over after all.... That would be amazing!
Hey there! My trainer shared a really good article about this topic and I thought of you! It's a VERY good read and I know I'll definitely be implementing this into my horse's conditioning program. http://horsetalk.co.nz/2015/02/04/help-horse-kissing-spine-goodbye/#axzz3nBtmFQsd |
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    Location: California | Thank you! I am going to print it and put It in both horse trailers! |
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         Location: North Dakota | Serenity06 - 2015-09-30 5:59 AM Thank you! I am going to print it and put It in both horse trailers!
I tried the stretches in there for the first time tonight. My horse was more sore than usual tonight so not sure if he's due for another round of injections or just from having a couple days off, but I dedicated our entire ride to working on these stretches at the walk and trot and while we are both still figuring out the "long and low" contact and these exercises, his back felt SIGNIFICANTLY better when I got off than when I got on. So I highly recommend! We are going to warm up like this from now on. |
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    Location: Central Texas | Serenity06 - 2015-09-29 9:46 PM
Dr Honnas doesn't think she is a candidate for surgery and that once we get the inflammation down the bones should quit rubbing. In his opinion if the inflammation is kept down then her career may not be over after all.... That would be amazing!
He is the BEST! Prayers that your mare heals and is able to continue running for you! |
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    Location: California | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-09-30 10:57 PM
Serenity06 - 2015-09-30 5:59 AM Thank you! I am going to print it and put It in both horse trailers!
I tried the stretches in there for the first time tonight. My horse was more sore than usual tonight so not sure if he's due for another round of injections or just from having a couple days off, but I dedicated our entire ride to working on these stretches at the walk and trot and while we are both still figuring out the "long and low" contact and these exercises, his back felt SIGNIFICANTLY better when I got off than when I got on. So I highly recommend! We are going to warm up like this from now on.
Thank you for the update! As soon as she is cleared for riding we will try it! I'm also going to see what kind of schedule I can get her on with the rehab place 45mins away with an AquaTred! I will be getting a video later today to show how she's moving on day 5 of Bute and muscle relaxers. I wasnt to be able to compare it to my last video and in a few days from now. We do still have to get the angles on her feet a bit better as well. |
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I have been doing meso therapy, massage and TONS of lunging with side reins, long lines and a neck stretcher. Sometimes over ground poles and sometimes not to build that topline. I have some fantastic days and he has some horrible days. I only ran him 3 times this year (vet said I could run him as normal unless having a flair up) but I wanted to be cautious and he had very very nice runs.
So I know its heartbreaking but know there are lots of options. Hugs
ETA - cant get the pics to attach of x-rays
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    Location: California | ampratt - 2015-10-01 5:57 AM
Serenity06 - 2015-09-29 9:46 PM
Dr Honnas doesn't think she is a candidate for surgery and that once we get the inflammation down the bones should quit rubbing. In his opinion if the inflammation is kept down then her career may not be over after all.... That would be amazing!
He is the BEST! Prayers that your mare heals and is able to continue running for you!
Thank you! I'm hoping so! If not at least I have answers and can now address it. I'd really hate for her career to be over as fast as it started.... |
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    Location: California | stayceem - 2015-10-01 12:46 PM
OP - my gelding also has "mild" kissing spine. His do not touch but have in the past causing the calcification and damage to each vertebrae. His effect 3 processes. I can try and attach mine for your comparision.
I have been doing meso therapy, massage and TONS of lunging with side reins, long lines and a neck stretcher. Sometimes over ground poles and sometimes not to build that topline. I have some fantastic days and he has some horrible days. I only ran him 3 times this year (vet said I could run him as normal unless having a flair up) but I wanted to be cautious and he had very very nice runs.
So I know its heartbreaking but know there are lots of options. Hugs
ETA - cant get the pics to attach of x-rays
That sounds exactly like my mare actually. They aren't touching at a stand still but do in motion at some point. We are on our last day of Bute and muscle relaxers. I need to lunge her to see how her front left is doing. I'm at a standstill with her rehab until I get her sound on that foot. I've been pulling her out every evening while I work youngsters to stand tied with her PHT MagnaCu blanket on. Idk if it's helping or not but I hope so.....
I will definitely look into some of those things. I've always been against side reins because I was raised in the mind set that it creates a false headset and does no good. Guess my way of thinking will have to change.... |
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