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Location: OH | TwistedK - 2015-09-28 12:56 PM blue... the color of the screen
Smart*** !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: Oklahoma | Mighty Broke - 2015-09-28 11:58 AM
TwistedK - 2015-09-28 12:56 PM blue... the color of the screen
I truly couldn't resist!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Gray I have friends that have a "palomino stallion. When he went to the track, the track steward made them get his papers changed to gray. |
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Location: OH | streakysox - 2015-09-28 1:22 PM
Gray I have friends that have a "palomino stallion. When he went to the track, the track steward made them get his papers changed to gray.
I think in order to be a gray---one of the parents have to be. |
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| What color are the parents? |
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Location: Kansas | chocolate palomino roan? |
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Location: OH | Sire is a palomino, but his mama is a roan and he produces a lot of roans through the back door. Mama is a chestnut in the picture. |
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| Lyric203 - 2015-09-28 12:35 PM
What color are the parents?
The track steward wasn't asking what color the parents were he just told them if they wanted the horse tho race, they had to get the papers changed. My friends were pretty astonished so i assume the parents were not gray. I can't remember that horse's name or I would look it up. |
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Location: OH | Maybe when I send in her application, under color I can put TBA !!! LOL---think that will work with AQHA ???? LOL |
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Location: OH | streakysox - 2015-09-28 1:42 PM Lyric203 - 2015-09-28 12:35 PM What color are the parents? The track steward wasn't asking what color the parents were he just told them if they wanted the horse tho race, they had to get the papers changed. My friends were pretty astonished so i assume the parents were not gray. I can't remember that horse's name or I would look it up.
Not doubting you, I just think that when sending in her application if I put gray they will spit it back to me because neither parents are gray. |
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| If the horse carries the grey gene it will always show. Besides her tail is not grey, its creme colored. Palominos carry one copy of the creme gene and one of the red gene. If his dam was a roan there is a chance he carries a roan gene as well but does not show it. And if mom was sorrel/chestnut (genetically its the same thing its the red gene). So that allows your options to be palomino, red, or some form of roan if the sire carries a copy. The best way to know would be to pull hair samples and send them to UC Davis, they are quite reasonable for this testing and it usually doesn't take long to get results. I would honestly venture to bet she carries a copy of the creme and a copy of the roan, she's palomino in the first picture but you can see on her muzzle it's darker and clearly different (meaning that color won't hold and she will shed out differently). In the second photo she still has the palomino looking tail but looks more so roan. Again I would suggest UC Davis, then there is no more confusion :) |
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Location: OH | Lyric203 - 2015-09-28 1:55 PM If the horse carries the grey gene it will always show. Besides her tail is not grey, its creme colored. Palominos carry one copy of the creme gene and one of the red gene. If his dam was a roan there is a chance he carries a roan gene as well but does not show it. And if mom was sorrel/chestnut (genetically its the same thing its the red gene). So that allows your options to be palomino, red, or some form of roan if the sire carries a copy. The best way to know would be to pull hair samples and send them to UC Davis, they are quite reasonable for this testing and it usually doesn't take long to get results. I would honestly venture to bet she carries a copy of the creme and a copy of the roan, she's palomino in the first picture but you can see on her muzzle it's darker and clearly different (meaning that color won't hold and she will shed out differently). In the second photo she still has the palomino looking tail but looks more so roan. Again I would suggest UC Davis, then there is no more confusion :)
Good Idea---thanks much. We drop a lot of babies and quite a few roans, just have never had one quite like this. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | I would like to call her MINE!! Very nice. |
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Location: OH | total performance - 2015-09-28 2:07 PM I would like to call her MINE!! Very nice.
Sorry---she sold within 12 hours of being born. Funny, I sent the girl a message and said---you didn't buy this filly just cuz she was a palomino did you---cuz if so---Houston, we have a problem. LOL. |
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My guess is she is going to be a chestnut sooty palomino roan.
Maybe she has one of those silver genes or whatever it is that makes the color go strange...
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Location: NC | Let us know the results if you do the test because I am super curious now!!! |
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Location: Where I am happiest | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-09-28 12:40 PM chocolate palomino roan?
This ^^ |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2015-09-28 12:40 PM
chocolate palomino roan?
^^^^^this |
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| Mighty Broke - 2015-09-28 12:45 PM
streakysox - 2015-09-28 1:42 PM Lyric203 - 2015-09-28 12:35 PM What color are the parents? The track steward wasn't asking what color the parents were he just told them if they wanted the horse tho race, they had to get the papers changed. My friends were pretty astonished so i assume the parents were not gray. I can't remember that horse's name or I would look it up.
She's not gray and I think you are right, AQHA would spit it back and say she couldn't be gray |
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Location: OH | bennie1 - 2015-09-28 3:45 PM
hoofs_in_motion - 2015-09-28 12:40 PM
chocolate palomino roan?
^^^^^this
Is this even a actual color ?????? |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Anniemae - 2015-09-28 1:23 PM
She is nice!
My guess is she is going to be a chestnut sooty palomino roan.
Maybe she has one of those silver genes or whatever it is that makes the color go strange...
Excuse me but what in the world?? That color does not exist. |
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Location: MD | If I understand any color can be roan? I dont understand why a choc palomino couldnt be a roan? |
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| CE's wrapn3 - 2015-09-28 4:15 PM
If I understand any color can be roan? I dont understand why a choc palomino couldnt be a roan?
Genetically no such thing as a chocolate palomino....that's just a darker palomino. :) |
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| Anniemae - 2015-09-28 2:23 PM
She is nice!
My guess is she is going to be a chestnut sooty palomino roan.
Maybe she has one of those silver genes or whatever it is that makes the color go strange...
You can't have a chestnut palomino.... Palomino is just a chestnut with a cream gene. Also Silver does not show up on any red based horse (so chestnut, palomino, cremello, etc. all will never show anything related to a silver gene) |
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Location: Oklahoma | I know with our Cross Spur filly, she is registered as a buckskin but carrying and expressing the roan gene. |
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Location: MD | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-28 3:16 PM CE's wrapn3 - 2015-09-28 4:15 PM If I understand any color can be roan? I dont understand why a choc palomino couldnt be a roan? Genetically no such thing as a chocolate palomino....that's just a darker palomino. : )
So then its a palomino roan |
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| Palomino roan. I had a palomino go gray on me, she didn't look anything like that at any point in the process. |
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| Oh and dang nice baby by the way!! No matter what color she ends up she is nice. |
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Location: So. California | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-28 1:23 PM Anniemae - 2015-09-28 2:23 PM She is nice!
My guess is she is going to be a chestnut sooty palomino roan.
Maybe she has one of those silver genes or whatever it is that makes the color go strange...
You can't have a chestnut palomino.... Palomino is just a chestnut with a cream gene. Also Silver does not show up on any red based horse (so chestnut, palomino, cremello, etc. all will never show anything related to a silver gene )
LOL... what I meant was dark palomino sooty roan - does that help? |
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Location: fun meter pegged OK | TwistedK - 2015-09-28 3:24 PM I know with our Cross Spur filly, she is registered as a buckskin but carrying and expressing the roan gene.
The only 3 roan colors that AQHA recognize for registration is Red, Bay and Blue that is why CS foals are registered the way they are. Any color can be roaned out even gray but by the rules there are only 3 colors that are roans all other colors are expressed genes with the UC Davis roan/color testing results. |
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| My GREY mare was born a palomino - even the picture on her papers looks like a palomino but she is definately GREY now at 8 yrs. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Lyric203 - 2015-09-28 12:55 PM
If the horse carries the grey gene it will always show. Besides her tail is not grey, its creme colored. Palominos carry one copy of the creme gene and one of the red gene. If his dam was a roan there is a chance he carries a roan gene as well but does not show it. And if mom was sorrel/chestnut (genetically its the same thing its the red gene). So that allows your options to be palomino, red, or some form of roan if the sire carries a copy. The best way to know would be to pull hair samples and send them to UC Davis, they are quite reasonable for this testing and it usually doesn't take long to get results. I would honestly venture to bet she carries a copy of the creme and a copy of the roan, she's palomino in the first picture but you can see on her muzzle it's darker and clearly different (meaning that color won't hold and she will shed out differently). In the second photo she still has the palomino looking tail but looks more so roan. Again I would suggest UC Davis, then there is no more confusion :)
It's been a long time since I've laughed as hard as I did reading this thread, and this post got it started.... As soon as I realized we've reached a time when we have to run a DNA test to determine the color of a horse. From this point it just gets funnier!!
She's a cute filly...
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Location: OH | komet. - 2015-09-29 7:55 AM Lyric203 - 2015-09-28 12:55 PM If the horse carries the grey gene it will always show. Besides her tail is not grey, its creme colored. Palominos carry one copy of the creme gene and one of the red gene. If his dam was a roan there is a chance he carries a roan gene as well but does not show it. And if mom was sorrel/chestnut (genetically its the same thing its the red gene). So that allows your options to be palomino, red, or some form of roan if the sire carries a copy. The best way to know would be to pull hair samples and send them to UC Davis, they are quite reasonable for this testing and it usually doesn't take long to get results. I would honestly venture to bet she carries a copy of the creme and a copy of the roan, she's palomino in the first picture but you can see on her muzzle it's darker and clearly different (meaning that color won't hold and she will shed out differently). In the second photo she still has the palomino looking tail but looks more so roan. Again I would suggest UC Davis, then there is no more confusion :) It's been a long time since I've laughed as hard as I did reading this thread, and this post got it started.... As soon as I realized we've reached a time when we have to run a DNA test to determine the color of a horse. From this point it just gets funnier!! She's a cute filly...
You may find it funny, but let me tell ya---you unload a roan out at Ft. Smith and hand them a copy of the papers that say palomino---it is no laughing matter. |
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| Mighty Broke - 2015-09-29 7:48 AM
komet. - 2015-09-29 7:55 AM Lyric203 - 2015-09-28 12:55 PM If the horse carries the grey gene it will always show. Besides her tail is not grey, its creme colored. Palominos carry one copy of the creme gene and one of the red gene. If his dam was a roan there is a chance he carries a roan gene as well but does not show it. And if mom was sorrel/chestnut (genetically its the same thing its the red gene). So that allows your options to be palomino, red, or some form of roan if the sire carries a copy. The best way to know would be to pull hair samples and send them to UC Davis, they are quite reasonable for this testing and it usually doesn't take long to get results. I would honestly venture to bet she carries a copy of the creme and a copy of the roan, she's palomino in the first picture but you can see on her muzzle it's darker and clearly different (meaning that color won't hold and she will shed out differently). In the second photo she still has the palomino looking tail but looks more so roan. Again I would suggest UC Davis, then there is no more confusion :) It's been a long time since I've laughed as hard as I did reading this thread, and this post got it started.... As soon as I realized we've reached a time when we have to run a DNA test to determine the color of a horse. From this point it just gets funnier!! She's a cute filly...
Maybe AQHA should do like APHA and include a photo of the horse on their registration papers. ?? |
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Location: OH | HorseMommyFiveO - 2015-09-29 10:39 AM Mighty Broke - 2015-09-29 7:48 AM komet. - 2015-09-29 7:55 AM Lyric203 - 2015-09-28 12:55 PM If the horse carries the grey gene it will always show. Besides her tail is not grey, its creme colored. Palominos carry one copy of the creme gene and one of the red gene. If his dam was a roan there is a chance he carries a roan gene as well but does not show it. And if mom was sorrel/chestnut (genetically its the same thing its the red gene). So that allows your options to be palomino, red, or some form of roan if the sire carries a copy. The best way to know would be to pull hair samples and send them to UC Davis, they are quite reasonable for this testing and it usually doesn't take long to get results. I would honestly venture to bet she carries a copy of the creme and a copy of the roan, she's palomino in the first picture but you can see on her muzzle it's darker and clearly different (meaning that color won't hold and she will shed out differently). In the second photo she still has the palomino looking tail but looks more so roan. Again I would suggest UC Davis, then there is no more confusion :) It's been a long time since I've laughed as hard as I did reading this thread, and this post got it started.... As soon as I realized we've reached a time when we have to run a DNA test to determine the color of a horse. From this point it just gets funnier!! She's a cute filly... Maybe AQHA should do like APHA and include a photo of the horse on their registration papers. ??
They do, but a lot of times the picture is from when they are a baby. Maybe---whenever a horse is transfered a current picture should be submitted. Just a thought. |
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| Mighty Broke - 2015-09-29 8:48 AM
komet. - 2015-09-29 7:55 AM Lyric203 - 2015-09-28 12:55 PM If the horse carries the grey gene it will always show. Besides her tail is not grey, its creme colored. Palominos carry one copy of the creme gene and one of the red gene. If his dam was a roan there is a chance he carries a roan gene as well but does not show it. And if mom was sorrel/chestnut (genetically its the same thing its the red gene). So that allows your options to be palomino, red, or some form of roan if the sire carries a copy. The best way to know would be to pull hair samples and send them to UC Davis, they are quite reasonable for this testing and it usually doesn't take long to get results. I would honestly venture to bet she carries a copy of the creme and a copy of the roan, she's palomino in the first picture but you can see on her muzzle it's darker and clearly different (meaning that color won't hold and she will shed out differently). In the second photo she still has the palomino looking tail but looks more so roan. Again I would suggest UC Davis, then there is no more confusion :) It's been a long time since I've laughed as hard as I did reading this thread, and this post got it started.... As soon as I realized we've reached a time when we have to run a DNA test to determine the color of a horse. From this point it just gets funnier!! She's a cute filly...
We run into the same issue when we turn up to races that ask for papers with APHA papers and a solid sorrel horse.....even though the papers say breeding stock, most people still have a hard time understanding that just because she's a paint doesn't mean they all have white on them..... I'm now used to the "Then why isn't it a quarter horse?" question. haha |
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