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Location: PA | Have a mare that is VERY body sore, had massage therapist/chiro. work on her, from her shoulders back on both sides very sore and tight muscles. Won't stand flat footed in the back, always resting one of her back legs or the other. When she is resting her right back leg she points her left front leg (not all the time, but enough for me to catch on). Is also once in awhile short stepping on her back right. Once working her she seems to start working out of it.
She does not turn the first barrel sometimes as well when running her. Sometimes she does, other times she does not.
Went to the vet yesterday was off on her left front when moving her slight head bob. After going over her tight muscles went to flexing her. Could not get her to flex off bad at all. In fact the more we trotted her off the better she started moving............
Drew blood for blood work, all came back fine. Did not start blocking her front foot as she was getting better and did not want to "guess" on her looking better after blocking each area. She goes back on Thursday to start right off on blocking her foot.
Just all seems so odd. Any suggestions other than what we are starting with at the vet to possibly look for? I just am at a little bit of a loss now.
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Location: North Dakota | Is this just a recent new thing?? Maybe she had a wreck in her stall/pasture?? you said she sometimes doesn't turn the first....sounds like that could be feet. If I were you I would try a round of accupuncture for immediate relief if this is a relatively new thing. Also, have you changed saddles/pads or farrier |
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Location: PA | No, I believe she has been sore for a while now (just bought her from friend). Could be a lot of things (unfortunately). I am thinking possibly in her feet as well. I did have my farrier reshoe her recently since getting her, but I am not thinking her muscle soreness is from him, I think it has been going on. I believe accupunture would benefit as well. Thank you! |
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Location: Beggs, OK | After fighting this for over two years we finally figured out that the root of the problem was 100% nutritional. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | My mare was extremely body sore and had EPM. That and weight loss were her only symptoms... |
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Location: California | I litter lyrics just went through/am going through this same exact thing with my mare. Just had a wonderful vet do a lameness exam and she has been diagnosed via xrays with kissing spine and inflammation in the left front coffin joint do to over compensating trying to get the weight off the hind right. |
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Location: PA | I thought that maybe some of the problem was nutritional, that is why I had blood work done. All came back fine.
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Location: PA | Serenity06 - 2015-09-29 10:51 AM I litter lyrics just went through/am going through this same exact thing with my mare. Just had a wonderful vet do a lameness exam and she has been diagnosed via xrays with kissing spine and inflammation in the left front coffin joint do to over compensating trying to get the weight off the hind right.
Oh dear. I sure hope not. Sorry for you! |
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Location: PA | She is a very heavy muscled mare and very well weight wise. Thank you for your info.! |
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| BRLRCR1 - 2015-09-29 11:00 AM
Serenity06 - 2015-09-29 10:51 AM I litter lyrics just went through/am going through this same exact thing with my mare. Just had a wonderful vet do a lameness exam and she has been diagnosed via xrays with kissing spine and inflammation in the left front coffin joint do to over compensating trying to get the weight off the hind right.
Oh dear. I sure hope not. Sorry for you!
My gelding was also very body sore from Kissing Spine... he also gets body sore like that if his front feet are sore. I had him barefoot one winter and he was super body sore, shoed him back up and he was fine. But then later was diagnosed with kissing spine. |
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Location: Florida.. | whats her age and has anyone ever xrayed her hocks
and palpated her.. her whole body sore can be a result of many things.. bad riding , ill fitting saddle, pain so shes tense all the time, nutrition, has she tyed up before?
resting hind can be nothing but it can be pain in ovaries or hocks.Id check her out in those areas as well..
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| BRLRCR1 - 2015-09-29 11:00 AM
Serenity06 - 2015-09-29 10:51 AM I litter lyrics just went through/am going through this same exact thing with my mare. Just had a wonderful vet do a lameness exam and she has been diagnosed via xrays with kissing spine and inflammation in the left front coffin joint do to over compensating trying to get the weight off the hind right.
Oh dear. I sure hope not. Sorry for you!
My gelding was also very body sore from Kissing Spine... he also gets body sore like that if his front feet are sore. I had him barefoot one winter and he was super body sore, shoed him back up and he was fine. But then later was diagnosed with kissing spine. |
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Location: California | I would get the horse to a lameness specialty clinic ASAP. My mare progressively got worse while we trouble shoot ed all month. Had one very even tell me she was fine when so of course had a good day at that appointment. I wouldn't screw around with it. The red flag is that a flex test didn't make the horse any worse. Exactly the same with my mare. Now I'm not saying goes that's what it is, just sharing my experience. |
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| BRLRCR1 - 2015-09-29 10:59 AM
I thought that maybe some of the problem was nutritional, that is why I had blood work done. All came back fine.
I have been having trouble with my gelding for 3/4 years. Every year and sometimes a couple of times a year, I have blood drawn and the vets always said his bloodwork was stellar. It disappointed me because something was wrong and I believed it was a deficiency. It turns out it was nutritional. I now have my good boy back. I will be able to go back to barrel racing next year and I couldn't be more excited! |
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Location: Beggs, OK | GLP - 2015-09-29 11:18 AM BRLRCR1 - 2015-09-29 10:59 AM I thought that maybe some of the problem was nutritional, that is why I had blood work done. All came back fine. I have been having trouble with my gelding for 3/4 years. Every year and sometimes a couple of times a year, I have blood drawn and the vets always said his bloodwork was stellar. It disappointed me because something was wrong and I believed it was a deficiency. It turns out it was nutritional. I now have my good boy back. I will be able to go back to barrel racing next year and I couldn't be more excited!
A nutritional issue is not always aparent in their blood chemistry. If his diet is causing inflammation within his system, he could technically be perfectly healthy on paper. The inflammation will cause body soreness, compensation for pain, and eventually cause larger problems that would you might never tie back to what you're feeding him. Ultimately the gut determines the health and soundness for the entire horse. |
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| Look up PSSM. Sounds like it could be a classic case. A change in diet to low NSC feed may work wonders if your vet can't find anything else. |
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Location: PA | Serenity06 - 2015-09-29 11:16 AM I would get the horse to a lameness specialty clinic ASAP. My mare progressively got worse while we trouble shoot ed all month. Had one very even tell me she was fine when so of course had a good day at that appointment. I wouldn't screw around with it. The red flag is that a flex test didn't make the horse any worse. Exactly the same with my mare. Now I'm not saying goes that's what it is, just sharing my experience.
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Location: PA | rodeoveteran - 2015-09-29 11:59 AM Look up PSSM. Sounds like it could be a classic case. A change in diet to low NSC feed may work wonders if your vet can't find anything else.
Will do, thank you! |
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| Could be low level epm, or lyme dr. Ellerson, pathogenes, floridia.
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | rodeoveteran - 2015-09-29 11:59 AM Look up PSSM. Sounds like it could be a classic case. A change in diet to low NSC feed may work wonders if your vet can't find anything else.
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Location: U.S. | My gelding had all your symptoms, after spending over 3k in trying to figure out what it was it ended up being EPM. We treated him for 3 mo and now he is sound and like a different horse. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Pull .the shoes.. ya I know just shod. Add Vitamin E to feed use Pure E. Mix green Alcohol, apple cider Vinegar, witch hazel. all 16 oz. one cup of abzorbine in 5 gal bucket with warm water do a full body wash . bute for3 days then leave be and see what you have. After the initial soreness is gone then the real culprit will show up so you can pin point it better. |
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| If your vet couldn't figure that out I'd get a new vet- sounds like classic navicular- MRI could confirm- |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | trickster j - 2015-09-29 5:50 PMIf your vet couldn't figure that out I'd get a new vet- sounds like classic navicular- MRI could confirm- Besides the pointing which of the symptoms the OP gave would lead you go believe navicular? And doesn't an X-ray usually show navicular damage? What would an MRI tell you about navicular bone damage that an X-ray would not?
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| willrodeo4food - 2015-09-30 4:37 PM trickster j - 2015-09-29 5:50 PMIf your vet couldn't figure that out I'd get a new vet- sounds like classic navicular- MRI could confirm- Besides the pointing which of the symptoms the OP gave would lead you go believe navicular? And doesn't an X-ray usually show navicular damage? What would an MRI tell you about navicular bone damage that an X-ray would not?
eta: "Navicular" is just a word for heel pain these days. With MRI now we know the pain can be caused by other things besides changes in the navicular bone.
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| I would have live blood analysis done... In my experience they've found a complete train wreck (caused by poor nutrition) where a vet's blood test came back clear. It's usually about $100, and in my case saved thousands in veterinary diagnostics. |
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| trickster j - 2015-09-30 10:48 PM
willrodeo4food - 2015-09-30 4:37 PM trickster j - 2015-09-29 5:50 PMIf your vet couldn't figure that out I'd get a new vet- sounds like classic navicular- MRI could confirm- Besides the pointing which of the symptoms the OP gave would lead you go believe navicular? And doesn't an X-ray usually show navicular damage? What would an MRI tell you about navicular bone damage that an X-ray would not?
eta: "Navicular" is just a word for heel pain these days. With MRI now we know the pain can be caused by other things besides changes in the navicular bone.
Treatment for this or are they done? You treat it like a strain?
We have a client that sounds like her mare to a T. But she refuses to spend more money on vet bills at the moment. |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-10-01 4:39 AM trickster j - 2015-09-30 10:48 PM willrodeo4food - 2015-09-30 4:37 PM trickster j - 2015-09-29 5:50 PMIf your vet couldn't figure that out I'd get a new vet- sounds like classic navicular- MRI could confirm- Besides the pointing which of the symptoms the OP gave would lead you go believe navicular? And doesn't an X-ray usually show navicular damage? What would an MRI tell you about navicular bone damage that an X-ray would not?
eta: "Navicular" is just a word for heel pain these days. With MRI now we know the pain can be caused by other things besides changes in the navicular bone. Treatment for this or are they done? You treat it like a strain? We have a client that sounds like her mare to a T. But she refuses to spend more money on vet bills at the moment.
It could be a strain or a tear- corrective shoeing is critical, I tried Tildren with marginal success... it's a hard one to overcome- |
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| Ulcers will also make them body sore. |
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Location: MN | I had a horse that was acting sore!! Not lame though. Symptoms started after he pulled back on the crossties and went down on his butt. Shortly after he was throwing his head back at me when I saddled him, went down when I girthed him, WILD at the gate. I was CONVINCED it was ulcers and was very bummed when he scoped clean because I had NO answers! I tested him for EPM, NEGATIVE! I went through 10 saddles to find the right fit as he is a stocky quarter horse, different pads, different girths, people told me nothing is wrong, just get after him, and finally a friend told me about back injections. Long story short, my horse had his back injected in 8 areas, 4 on each side of the spine. After a week off, I had in my hands a completely different horse. Stands quietly while being saddled and girthed, no pinning his ears or biting, and he is running around in the morning winnying again when he sees me come.. Not crazy at the gate (hes always been a little hot) Seriously something to check into, and while this was happening, he was always out in his hip from overcompensating for the pain! Oh, and while he was sore he wouldn't let me pick up his back feet well because of all the pressure of the back pain. The vet/chiro said the back needs to be injected more times that you would think from bad saddles, bad riders, hard turning horses, when a horse is a puller, or rolls wrong. Just because he has ulcer symptoms, trust me first hand, save the money get him scoped before you start treatment, these injections gave me my horse back.
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Location: the end of the rainbow | The other suggestion a vet that does a lot of chiro and acupuncture made regarding my well muscled mare that was body sore was a magnesium deficiency. A table spoon of Epsom salt a day made a huge difference for her while I was waiting to get her in and have her underlying joint soreness issues addressed.
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VERY sore horse