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Location: Montana | Looking at a reject cutter/reiner by a full brother to Shining Spark out of Dual Doc/Peppy San Badger bred mare. Any opinions on the bloodlines for barrels? Reject because she doesn't have the cow horse look and doesn't fit with their program. Broke to death and ready to pattern. Would post pedigree, but not sure if I should because she isn't my horse...yet. :) |
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| I have a 4 Yr old Reining Mare that wasn't the built the reining people wanted but she is working great on the barrels right now ...she is doing better each run
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Location: Phoenix | I'd jump for one! Mines heavy Doc Bar and a bit of Mr. San Peppy on the top and I love him. Athletic as HELL but can get a bit hot--fragile mind is what I chalk it up too. |
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Location: on my horse | I'd do it, as long as she's not one of those reiners that have been over crammed up in the bridle she'll make a nice barrel horse. What she could potentially lack in speed by being extra broke, she'll make up for it.
I run my ex reiner, he was trained to move very free and natural and runs an excellent barrel pattern. Is he the fastest horse I've ever ridden? No, but he's super correct and makes the same run every time and that will win too. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Sounds a lot like my handsome boy!
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | The broke to death would scare me more than her bloodlines etc. When we were in the middle of that event, the sound 4 & 5 yr olds were few and far between. We were starting long yearlings and early 2's that couldn't have weighted 750lbs and were about 13 hands tall. I am 5'2" and 110 and I felt like I was going to cripple them. They lope them into the ground. Round and round and round and round. You get the idea.
Vet check all major joints and feet. If sound, then probably a heck of a horse. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-10-08 9:09 AM The broke to death would scare me more than her bloodlines etc. When we were in the middle of that event, the sound 4 & 5 yr olds were few and far between. We were starting long yearlings and early 2's that couldn't have weighted 750lbs and were about 13 hands tall. I am 5'2" and 110 and I felt like I was going to cripple them. They lope them into the ground. Round and round and round and round. You get the idea.
Vet check all major joints and feet. If sound, then probably a heck of a horse.
Mine in the picture is a 3 yr old and doesn't look like a typical reiner at all to me. He was vetted before and after I bought him by two different vets and both said that he was good to go. There are always cutters and reiners that don't make due to soundness, but there are also those that just don't take to the job and turn out to be amazing in other events. Our mare Hotbox had two years cutting training and has no desire to be a cutter....she loves running barrels though!
We had three babies in the barn last night on a layover coming back from Congress that looked tremendous. I didn't see any signs of lameness, soreness, or any other faults that would make me think that they wouldn't hold up. While many factors come into play the ones I look at are conformation, disposition, and who was training them.
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Location: Central Montana | I think it depends on the bloodlines and the horse. We have mostly switched to reining and don't do much barrel racing any longer.
My sister currently shows a daughter of Magnum Chic Dream and I don't think her mare would have the speed to hit the 4D. We had a Rum Squall mare that had plenty of speed and was super catty, she had a ton of AQHA reining points and NRHA money earned and she definitely had the speed. We have a daughter of Delta O Lena and out of a daughter of Peppy San Badger that is quick enough to probably do OK in a small pen but she would be flat outraced in a big pen. |
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| mtcanchazer - 2015-10-07 9:51 PM Looking at a reject cutter/reiner by a full brother to Shining Spark out of Dual Doc/Peppy San Badger bred mare. Any opinions on the bloodlines for barrels? Reject because she doesn't have the cow horse look and doesn't fit with their program. Broke to death and ready to pattern. Would post pedigree, but not sure if I should because she isn't my horse...yet. :)
I am a running blood, racetrack girl aaaaall the way, BUT my next horse will be a Shining Spark. I know of two running really nice right now that were trained by a novice trainer and have such a natural athletic abilitiy and correct style about them that I have fallen in love. I also know of another that is running super nice as a young horse who was trained by a seasoned trainer who is phenominal to watch right now. |
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| I currently have 4 horses that are cow bred. The first is a Timbercat 101 out of a Dunit Rawhide mare, wicked scary fast and can turn at the drop of a hat that is a 1D horse. The second is a Highbrow Cat, Dual With Me 2yr old filly that is just shy of 15 hands and athletic. The 3rd is a yearling by the same stud as my open mare Timbercat 101 out of and appendix mare. Bought her because she is a carbon copy of my 1D mare. Also have a mare that is by Matt Dillon Dun It. She is very quirky and gets along great with my husband. Not affraid of cow/reining bred horses as long as they have good solid bone. |
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| I guess Hollywood might count....he is like the generic bred Sunfrost/Hollywood Dun It haha....same great-grandsires, different sires. He is the Walgreens brand. He is a pretty cool little dude...I like him. He doesn't have a bit of "cow" in him unless it comes to stray dogs haha...he wont look at a steer or a calf to save his life BUT he will turn a barrel. 1d 2d in tough company. He was born on the Cowan Brothers LLC ranch in South Dakota.
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Total Germophobe
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Location: Montana | Some very good information here! I love other's opinions. I currently have a list of 2 horses that are in consideration...one is this one, and the other is a granddaughter of DFP and Doc O Dynamite. I've not done straight cow/reining bred, but have never done a DFP either (although I've heard good things about them).
If it were you looking at them, and they were both conformationally good, and everything about them was similar with the exception of training (one's reining trained, the other not), which do YOU think would be a better barrel prospect in the long run? |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | GoinJettin - 2015-10-08 8:08 AM I think it depends on the bloodlines and the horse. We have mostly switched to reining and don't do much barrel racing any longer.
My sister currently shows a daughter of Magnum Chic Dream and I don't think her mare would have the speed to hit the 4D. We had a Rum Squall mare that had plenty of speed and was super catty, she had a ton of AQHA reining points and NRHA money earned and she definitely had the speed. We have a daughter of Delta O Lena and out of a daughter of Peppy San Badger that is quick enough to probably do OK in a small pen but she would be flat outraced in a big pen.
I've ridden 2 Magnum Chic Dream's. One was out of a blue hen NRHA producer and the mare, who I absolutely fell in love with, didn't even have enough speed to be a reiner.
I have a Hollywood Dun It granddaughter and out of a mare by Bueno Chex. She has the speed but.... it's the inconsistency issue. My honest opinion, is I don't think a Shining Spark would have the speed, having ridden a couple. They are awesome athletes though. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | mtcanchazer - 2015-10-08 10:28 AM Some very good information here! I love other's opinions. I currently have a list of 2 horses that are in consideration...one is this one, and the other is a granddaughter of DFP and Doc O Dynamite. I've not done straight cow/reining bred, but have never done a DFP either (although I've heard good things about them).
If it were you looking at them, and they were both conformationally good, and everything about them was similar with the exception of training (one's reining trained, the other not), which do YOU think would be a better barrel prospect in the long run?
Let the individual horse tell you his story. I have seen alot of Shining Sparks with a ton of speed and alot of pea hearted DFP who couldnt outrun a fat man. Pedigree can mis lead you, but the horse itself will always tell you the truth. |
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| I had a super solid and consistent DFP mare I called Ruckus that couldn't outrun the mailman...but she was great minded and she tried very hard to go fast haha...she was even off the racetrack..but had a very short career due to the fact that she would have had a better chance of winning the race had the jockey carried her on his back instead. I know of three Shining Sparks in this area that are definitely fast enough to be big time one day.....It all depends on the horse.
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Location: Montana | Thanks very much for the info and the opinions! Some very interesting stuff here.
ETA: Both horses are young enough that they haven't been started on the barreles yet so no one knows how they'll do. But I do appreciate the info.
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| I picked up this girl a year ago, she is unsound due to a kick to her knee that caused a chip. She had nearly two years of cutting training and was looking at a very promising career according to her trainer. She has the best attitude and is in foal to PC Lock N Frost...and I can't wait for this baby.
This is what the ped of the baby is going to look like.
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Total Germophobe
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Location: Montana | Whiteboy - 2015-10-08 3:48 PM I picked up this girl a year ago, she is unsound due to a kick to her knee that caused a chip. She had nearly two years of cutting training and was looking at a very promising career according to her trainer. She has the best attitude and is in foal to PC Lock N Frost...and I can't wait for this baby.
This is what the ped of the baby is going to look like.http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/doclenas+frost
Here's a question: Why do you think DFP bred horses sometimes have a tendency to not be able to run?
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Location: The South | I absolutely love mine! She is 6 years old, granddaughter of Shining Spark. I googled the Nu Chex to Cash on the bottom side and he was a big reiner. I'm not sure how far she got into reining training, I was just told she was too straight in the back end for it. She inhales a barrel in the mounted shooting patterns so I can't wait to play with her on the barrel pattern. And she has some serious speed. I'm not asking her for anything yet and she's already running faster than I can shoot LOL!
Here's her pedigree http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/new+chex+to+shine |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I just picked up a project mare for barrels, I liked her because she's probably one of the quickest footed and most athletic horses I've ever sat on, for what she may lack in speed she will gain in her turns, and I have no doubt she will run because she likes to go.
She is out of heat n glo - Hollywood heat - Hollywood dunit and the Dam is a Mr Baren Red, two id bartender - two eyed jack
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Location: Beggs, OK | mtcanchazer - 2015-10-08 8:17 PM Whiteboy - 2015-10-08 3:48 PM I picked up this girl a year ago, she is unsound due to a kick to her knee that caused a chip. She had nearly two years of cutting training and was looking at a very promising career according to her trainer. She has the best attitude and is in foal to PC Lock N Frost...and I can't wait for this baby.
This is what the ped of the baby is going to look like.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/doclenas+frost
Here's a question: Why do you think DFP bred horses sometimes have a tendency to not be able to run?
I love the reining/cutting horses now. Ours have all been fun to run and always coming hunting the turn. This is my daughters straight cutting bred mare. She's by Royal Fletch and out of a daughter of Docs Stylish Oak.
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That's White "Man" to You
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| This boy is one of my new head horses. He is 15.3 and super athletic. He is sensitive and doesn't have much heart though. He gets a scratch and thinks he is going to die! lol. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ms+heza+lookingthing |
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Location: Way up North | My sister's good mare is by a reining stud and out of a gold seeker bars bred mare, she is deceptively fast with one of the coolest turning styles. Everyone told her she would never get out of the 3D when she first started running her but she turned into a really nice 1D/2D horse at big races. She lopes around like a reiner warming up but she gets it done when it is go time.
I really like the cowbreds personally and I love the cutters I have rode, really athletic and know where their feet are. I plan for my next purchase to be a reject but I also like to do ranch rodeos and sorting so that is a motivator as well. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida |
I had a truckle feature bred cow/performance horse he was the same exact way |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| RnRJack - 2015-10-09 11:17 AM
I had a truckle feature bred cow/performance horse he was the same exact way
I've been trying to figure out where it comes from...maybe just a bad combination. Luckily he is still a nice rope horse. |
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| I grew up riding two cutter rejects who were both pheniminal 1D barrel horses. One was too agressive for the cutting pen and the other just didnt have the drive or heart for it. Both of them produced several 1D barrel horses. Docs Prescription / poco bueno and Docs Prescription / Hollywood Gold.
I just bought a colt Peppy San Badger Bred x docs prescription and crazy athletic. Was too small for me so I sold him but super cool to watch. |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-10-09 9:00 AM mtcanchazer - 2015-10-08 8:17 PM Whiteboy - 2015-10-08 3:48 PM I picked up this girl a year ago, she is unsound due to a kick to her knee that caused a chip. She had nearly two years of cutting training and was looking at a very promising career according to her trainer. She has the best attitude and is in foal to PC Lock N Frost...and I can't wait for this baby.
This is what the ped of the baby is going to look like.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/doclenas+frost
Here's a question: Why do you think DFP bred horses sometimes have a tendency to not be able to run?
http://youtu.be/b-syEs2WAx4
What a cool mare! |
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Location: Midwest | My friend has a FrenchStreakToVegas o/o a reining Hollywood Dunit mare that was a NRHA money earner... she's just a weanling, but very nicely put together. I can't wait to see what she does in a few years. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Whiteboy - 2015-10-09 12:05 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-10-09 9:00 AM mtcanchazer - 2015-10-08 8:17 PM Whiteboy - 2015-10-08 3:48 PM I picked up this girl a year ago, she is unsound due to a kick to her knee that caused a chip. She had nearly two years of cutting training and was looking at a very promising career according to her trainer. She has the best attitude and is in foal to PC Lock N Frost...and I can't wait for this baby.
This is what the ped of the baby is going to look like.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/doclenas+frost
Here's a question: Why do you think DFP bred horses sometimes have a tendency to not be able to run?
http://youtu.be/b-syEs2WAx4
She's a very cool little girl. We bought her as a reject 4 yr old. She's 6 now and Pj trained her herself. They recently qualified for the Indian National Finals in Vegas in Jr Barrels. She won the jackpot in the video that I posted by 4 tenths. Quick feet make up for short stature, lol Hotbox is only 13.3. |
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| The cutters and Reiners are all that I will buy anymore. I absolutely love them and they are so quick, catty and very smart. I have not had a cowbred yet that I don't like. I've had own daughters of Dash For Perks, Martha Six Moons, Jet of Honor, Bully Billion, etc and just did not get along with any of them at all. I sold all my finished horses but I have two cowbred horses now I just started on the pattern that are doing great and I just bought another mare out of Colorado that is by a cowbred stud that is an awesome reiner out of a race mare that I'm anxious to see how she will finish out. Here is the pedigrees on mine http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cats+call+me+elvis
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jazzy+chick+olena
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Location: on my horse | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-09 12:12 PM
Whiteboy - 2015-10-09 12:05 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-10-09 9:00 AM mtcanchazer - 2015-10-08 8:17 PM Whiteboy - 2015-10-08 3:48 PM I picked up this girl a year ago, she is unsound due to a kick to her knee that caused a chip. She had nearly two years of cutting training and was looking at a very promising career according to her trainer. She has the best attitude and is in foal to PC Lock N Frost...and I can't wait for this baby.
This is what the ped of the baby is going to look like.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/doclenas+frost
Here's a question: Why do you think DFP bred horses sometimes have a tendency to not be able to run?
http://youtu.be/b-syEs2WAx4
Those little legs are working overtime! What a nice little horse |
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Location: utah ,close to las vegas my real home | Love shining spark bred horses |
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| Is the sire by any chance simply a spark? If not they are full brothers lol. Any way I reallylike the sounds of the blood lines. Ive got a reject, you couldent give me enfough money for her. Shes so much fun to ride.
I know simply has sired barrel and rope horses as well :-)
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Location: Montana | Thanks for all the info!  |
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