rachellyn80 - 2015-10-14 10:00 AM The other question that really got to me was the:  Do Black Lives Matter, or Do All Lives Matter?



WOW. 

mlh0972 - 2015-10-14 10:40 AM I felt like last nights debate was an episode of Oprah, "YOU GET A FREE CAR, YOU GET A FREE TUITION, YOU GET A FREE ANYTHING!!" It's like they are kids in junior high running for class president and offering free ice cream from the cafeteria if you vote for them. It's a shame.

mlh0972 - 2015-10-14 10:40 AM

I felt like last nights debate was an episode of Oprah, "YOU GET A FREE CAR, YOU GET A FREE TUITION, YOU GET A FREE ANYTHING!!" It's like they are kids in junior high running for class president and offering free ice cream from the cafeteria if you vote for them. It's a shame.

Bear - 2015-10-14 2:05 PM

Voting for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman is like eating a turd because it looks like a tootsie roll.

IRunOnFaith - 2015-10-14 2:28 PM  I find it scary how many younger people fall for their crap. The government should not be stronger than the people. Ask most 20-30 year old young people or couples who they're going to vote for and why.

     Most answers will terrify you...



ETA: This is my age group I'm talking about.....

IRunOnFaith - 2015-10-14 2:28 PM

 I find it scary how many younger people fall for their crap. The government should not be stronger than the people. Ask most 20-30 year old young people or couples who they're going to vote for and why.
     Most answers will terrify you...

ETA: This is my age group I'm talking about.....

RidenFly - 2015-10-14 3:17 PM I like my guns like the Dems like their voters....



Undocumented.





bwhahahaha 

BigStarBound - 2015-10-14 2:48 PM This is very true. I'm in that age group as well. Most of my peers that I'm friends with on social media are democratic/liberal. It's a scary thing.

Dinero10 - 2015-10-14 7:51 AM

It just makes you shake your head, at he the stupidity of these people.  Where does the money come from?  I guess from the never ending mopney tree, that I haven't found.  I'm  not to high supporting illegals, when I struggle to take care of my own back yard.  makes a person want to scream, and pinch their heads off.

 

RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-10-13 5:36 PM


I work in sponsorships and yesterday I got a request that got me all fired up. Someone who receives SSI/Disability, has a job, but who doesn't want to work too much because she will lose her benefits. THEN WANTS OUR COMPANY TO SPONSOR HER BY GIVING HER CASH SO SHE CAN SHOW HER HORSES!!!! And here I am with a full time job, husband with a full time job and he moonlihgts/works extra hours, two kids, truck that's almost broken down but can't afford another one, eating ramen and have cut out all but one playday a month so that we can make ends meet right now. And they are taking money out of OUR PAYCHECKS and OUR KIDS' MOUTHS to fund people like this??!!!! I almost wrote back "if you can work why don't you and you can fund your OWN hobby like the rest of us!" OMG...I am still so incensed by this ENTITLED kind of thinking. And then the sheer AUDACITY to ask for $5k so she could show her horses. WTH???

Bear - 2015-10-14 12:33 PM

"From each, according to his abilities, to each, according to his needs."

- Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton....and Karl Marx.

How many of you read "Animal Farm", by George Orwell, when you were in HS or Junior High? Were you taught what Orwell was really trying to say?

“Man is the only creature that consumes without producing. He does not give milk, he does not lay eggs, he is too weak to pull the plough, he cannot run fast enough to catch rabbits. Yet he is lord of all the animals. He sets them to work, he gives back to them the bare minimum that will prevent them from starving, and the rest he keeps for himself.”
? George Orwell, Animal Farm

Frodo - 2015-10-15 7:09 AM

Sadly I have a nephew 40ish, as is his wife, depending on the government to take care of his three children.  Now they're having a fourth child.  No doubt in my mind it's to make sure those benefits don't run out as his younger ones gradually go off the grid benefit-wise.   

TrailGirl - 2015-10-15 7:32 AM


This may get me roasted....But I have always felt that if you can't afford to care for your child/children...you should be on some sort of mandatory implanted birth control while on public assistance. No way should a person be allowed to further reproduce if they can't provide for what they have. Both men and women. How can they ever get back on their own two feet if they keep having more?

FinneyQuarterHorses - 2015-10-15 8:56 AM "Republicans hate big Government unless it's for something they want." Republicans and BHW political junkies love to invoke the specter of Hitler when referencing our Democratic President, but apparently government mandated birth control for poor people is acceptable. Huh! www.newsok.com (The Daily Oklahoman) ran a story this morning that 85,000 jobs are unfilled in Oklahoma because there are not enough qualified applicants in healthcare, IT, finance and truck driving. This following a story yesterday that companies are unwilling to move there for that very reason. Uneducated people in the state are uneducated for various reasons, like only 30% of eighth graders are proficient in math, but also because the unafforability of college for them. Knowing that, all the political representatives, voted in office in arguably the redist state in the union, don't want free community college that would enable most of the 85,000 jobs to be filled by then tax paying contributors to society. Sometimes "free stuff" is for the common good, and ultimately isn't "free".

Barnmom - 2015-10-15 9:16 AM


Sounds great!  Of course those receiving free college would have to do well enough to pass classes and graduate, then have the drive to go out and find a job.  Those that want better for themselves will find a way, those that want to mooch off the system will find a way also.  We need to make it easier for those that want to do for themselves and harder for those that don't, more free stuff is NOT the answer!

I know of three farms within a half a mile that have a job opening right now, salary works out to around $10 an hour and the farms provide a place to live, all bills paid and we can't find anyone to work.  The problem isn't lack of education, it is lack of desire to get off your a$$ and do something to better yourself.
 

RodeoCowgirl4u - 2015-10-14 4:36 PM I work in sponsorships and yesterday I got a request that got me all fired up. Someone who receives SSI/Disability, has a job, but who doesn't want to work too much because she will lose her benefits. THEN WANTS OUR COMPANY TO SPONSOR HER BY GIVING HER CASH SO SHE CAN SHOW HER HORSES!!!! And here I am with a full time job, husband with a full time job and he moonlihgts/works extra hours, two kids, truck that's almost broken down but can't afford another one, eating ramen and have cut out all but one playday a month so that we can make ends meet right now. And they are taking money out of OUR PAYCHECKS and OUR KIDS' MOUTHS to fund people like this??!!!! I almost wrote back "if you can work why don't you and you can fund your OWN hobby like the rest of us!" OMG...I am still so incensed by this ENTITLED kind of thinking. And then the sheer AUDACITY to ask for $5k so she could show her horses. WTH???

FinneyQuarterHorses - 2015-10-15 8:56 AM

"Republicans hate big Government unless it's for something they want."

Republicans and BHW political junkies love to invoke the specter of Hitler when referencing our Democratic President, but apparently government mandated birth control for poor people is acceptable. Huh!

www.newsok.com (The Daily Oklahoman) ran a story this morning that 85,000 jobs are unfilled in Oklahoma because there are not enough qualified applicants in healthcare, IT, finance and truck driving. This following a story yesterday that companies are unwilling to move there for that very reason. Uneducated people in the state are uneducated for various reasons, like only 30% of eighth graders are proficient in math, but also because the unafforability of college for them. Knowing that, all the political representatives, voted in office in arguably the redist state in the union, don't want free community college that would enable most of the 85,000 jobs to be filled by then tax paying contributors to society.

Sometimes "free stuff" is for the common good, and ultimately isn't "free".

mlh0972 - 2015-10-15 9:27 AM "You can't helps those, who can not help themselves!"

NJJ - 2015-10-15 10:03 AM


This needs to read ......... who WON'T help themselves !  

Bear - 2015-10-15 10:22 AM

Ideally the best way that jobs are filled with the best, most qualified people is through a free and robust open market. Competition works both ways and market forces dictate better pay through competition. It's really basic Econ 101. $10/hour paying jobs isn't all that attractive to people who are doing just as well remaining unemployed, sometimes even better. That means companies have to essentially compete with the federal government. They have to hike those hourly wages up to maybe $12-15/hour to compete with the free government "benefits". That results in higher prices for goods and services......and that's how the cycle continues. The biggest impediment to a prosperous, free market system is the federal government.
Politicians on both sides don't seem to pay attention to those inconvenient truths.

Bear - 2015-10-15 10:22 AM Ideally the best way that jobs are filled with the best, most qualified people is through a free and robust open market. Competition works both ways and market forces dictate better pay through competition. It's really basic Econ 101. $10/hour paying jobs isn't all that attractive to people who are doing just as well remaining unemployed, sometimes even better. That means companies have to essentially compete with the federal government. They have to hike those hourly wages up to maybe $12-15/hour to compete with the free government "benefits". That results in higher prices for goods and services......and that's how the cycle continues. The biggest impediment to a prosperous, free market system is the federal government. Politicians on both sides don't seem to pay attention to those inconvenient truths.

Barnmom - 2015-10-15 10:40 AM


 Yep, you are correct, and if your business won't support that wage then you do it all yourself or close up shop.   Heck of a way to grow the economy.

One more thing, don't we already have an option for those that can't afford college?  I believe it was called the GI Bill, or did that get cut along with all the other military cuts?

BigStarBound - 2015-10-15 10:48 AM The GI Bill is still around, but it's for service members and can be transferred to their immediate family (child or spouse). It's not exactly for people who can't afford college. You must be a service member, child or spouse. This is how I went to college- I joined the Army Reserves and worked for my education! I did not qualify for any federal assistance due to my father's income. My parents could have afforded it no problem, but told me just as some of you have mentioned, "You are not owed anything". I'm thankful that I had to fund my own education because I can take a lot more pride in it that way.

Bear - 2015-10-15 11:22 AM Ideally the best way that jobs are filled with the best, most qualified people is through a free and robust open market. Competition works both ways and market forces dictate better pay through competition. It's really basic Econ 101. $10/hour paying jobs isn't all that attractive to people who are doing just as well remaining unemployed, sometimes even better. That means companies have to essentially compete with the federal government. They have to hike those hourly wages up to maybe $12-15/hour to compete with the free government "benefits". That results in higher prices for goods and services......and that's how the cycle continues. The biggest impediment to a prosperous, free market system is the federal government. Politicians on both sides don't seem to pay attention to those inconvenient truths.

Bear - 2015-10-15 11:15 AM It all boils down to a divided, increasingly dysfunctional society. On the one hand, you have independent, rugged individualists who make their way in this world and do not expect society or government to take care of them. On the other hand you have a growing sect that feels owed and entitled. It is not because they are inherently this way, rather, it is akin to addiction. Once you've tasted the fruits of the government tit, it is very difficult to rid yourself of all the benefits and trappings. Like anything addicting......doing nothing and getting paid for it feels good. Even then many people who are trapped realize, deep down inside, that they are hooked and can't break free. If you want proof of how this works, look no further than our Indian reservations, where an entire culture of talented people has been neutered and rendered totally dependent on government. This is how politicians secure power. They battle between themselves over who can offer improved goods and services....."free". It's free alright....all you need is to offer up your pride and your soul.

Barnmom - 2015-10-15 10:59 AM


Exactly, you worked for your education by becoming a member of the armed services.  Something anyone with some drive and initiative can do also, then you will value your schooling because you earned it.  Good for you and thank you for your service!

cyount2009 - 2015-10-15 12:10 PM


Just a thought, not everyone who can not afford college is suitable for the armed forces. There are weak minded, vulnerable and easily manipulated young adults who cannot handle the rigors of the military. They become a risk to their unit.

I had a student who was like this. He didn't do well in school, couldn't test, couldn't handle pressure. He was easily broken down. His plan was to join the Marines. I usually support anyone who wants to join but this is the first kid I desperately pleaded with to look into other options. He said it was his only one because his parents couldn't afford to send him to a trade school and he did not qualify for any type grants do to his father's income. This kid was all the things I listed above.

He ended up breaking his leg and having to have a rod put in his femur three months (I found it to be a blessing from God more than accident) before graduation and the Marines wouldn't take him any longer. Thank goodness. But now because he has no education, no skill really to speak of, he bounces from minimum wage to minimum wage job and still lives at home with his parents. He is doing his best but cannot afford to move out and be on his own. His parents require him to pay rent, buy groceries and contribute to the other household bills. They are doing their best to get him ready for life on his own. I hope someday he will be able to develop skills for a job that will sustain him.

ETA: I am not on board the free tuition for all wagon but I do feel to better our society there has to be programs in place to help people like this.

Bear - 2015-10-15 12:57 PM


Tell me, which "program" will help this kid? It sounds like he can't handle any form of structured education, and is doomed to a life of menial labor.
If he doesn't like his role in life, he will hopefully eventually be motivated to better himself, either by taking night classes, or by seeking out a niche.
Adversity is a powerful motivator and teaching tool. If he can't afford night classes, then he will work more so he can eventually learn a trade or pursue a degree. There are loans available as well.
He needs to watch the movie, "In Search of Happyness".

Bear - 2015-10-15 12:57 PM Tell me, which "program" will help this kid? It sounds like he can't handle any form of structured education, and is doomed to a life of menial labor. If he doesn't like his role in life, he will hopefully eventually be motivated to better himself, either by taking night classes, or by seeking out a niche. Adversity is a powerful motivator and teaching tool. If he can't afford night classes, then he will work more so he can eventually learn a trade or pursue a degree. There are loans available as well. He needs to watch the movie, "In Search of Happyness".

cyount2009 - 2015-10-15 1:02 PM


In all honesty he'll probably end up in the welfare system eventually. Which is sad but probably true.

Bear - 2015-10-15 1:30 PM


Really, there's no reason why he should be doomed to be on the welfare.
Physically, he is fine. I don't see anything that suggest he has a borderline low IQ, but even then he doesn't have to be doomed.
"Necessity is the Mother of Invention" is a saying that ought to apply to people like this. Some people like this have nothing.....except their dignity.
If they regard their dignity as something worth salvaging, that can be powerful motivator. Surrendering to a life of government assistance will take away all these people have left.

cyount2009 - 2015-10-15 1:53 PM


Don't be so quick to assume. He was born 14 weeks premature. This kid borders the autism spectrum, and I don't mean the super brilliant, high functioning side either. We were able to identify specific learning disabilities while he was in school but the help he got does not carry over to real life.

He is really good at carpentry, really good, but there isn't anywhere locally that he can apprentice at. He has either been asked not to come back or completely denied. He is hard to be around, kind of like nails on a chalk board. He tries so hard to be personable but it's more annoying than anything else.

We are very rural so it would be exceptionally hard for him to do night school during the week. I think the closest JC is almost 100 miles away, and in the winter it would be almost impossible for him to get to it. He tried online courses but didn't have the planning skills to be successful at that.

You are right about his dignity, that is about all he poses other than his carpentry skills.

3canstorun - 2015-10-15 12:52 PM What I see as far as the college debt, these kids are being convinced that "bigger is better".  That they have to have the brand name college to succeed.  No they don't.  Not just for a basic degree.  But we have raised children to be a give me society, you owe me society, thus that is what they think they should have.  There is nothing wrong with using the local colleges and schools.  Sure, it might not be as exciting to go to a local school and living with your parents, but it sure is exciting not to have that out of state or even in state room and board loan that you have ot pay back.   

Bear - 2015-10-15 2:49 PM While we are on the subject, I don't know if anyone agrees, but I'm sick of hearing people whine about their college debt. Half the kids whining are going to more expensive schools. I'm not saying that college tuition costs aren't ridiculous. Maybe if more kids shop around for a good education for the money, competition will make it's way into that marketplace as well, just like anything else. Having said that, if you accumulate $100,000 in college debt, tough sh!t. Pay it off....then buy your home, etc....

Anniemae - 2015-10-15 4:07 PM I'm employeed at a mid-size international company. Entry level candidates are routinely hired based on the college attended; assuming candidates with similar qualifications/interview skills. Minimum degree is BS, Masters preferred.  There is no shortage of candidates, we receive a minimum of 100 'qualified' resumes for a single position.   



A suggestion is to get your AA through Jr college, finish your degree at a University.  

 

Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-16 8:49 AM  If your degree and chosen field of employment are super competitive with an oversupply of candidates, then the school you attended would matter.  Otherwise, no one freakin cares.