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Location: Kansas | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-10-20 1:10 PM I use HorseLic made by SmartLic. I pay $90 for 125# I love them.
I saw a post about the horselic tubs on facebook, but everytime I comment on the photo on the company page...they won't respond. Do you know how much the 60lb tubs go for? |
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Location: Willows, CA | We have a Renew Gold Turnout Tub coming soon. This will be a protein and mineral mix for broodmares and turned out horses that are hard to supplement. They are 125 pounds and will be available in limited markets after the first of the year.
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Location: Kansas | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-10-20 4:23 PM 60# about $50
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| Do they overconsume the sweetlic tubs because of the molasses?
I use Ranchway 1011 mineral block. |
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| WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2015-10-20 2:43 PM Equilix
I second this ^^ If you're going the tub route, these are really nice. |
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Location: Conroe, TX 77304 | Ok, I am going to sound dumb, but do these take the place of feed or just supplement the feed? |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | winwillows - 2015-10-20 4:27 PM
We have a Renew Gold Turnout Tub coming soon. This will be a protein and mineral mix for broodmares and turned out horses that are hard to supplement. They are 125 pounds and will be available in limited markets after the first of the year.
Awesome!! I can't wait!!! |
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Location: Northwest Florida | chiquitamagic1 - 2015-10-21 9:43 AM
Ok, I am going to sound dumb, but do these take the place of feed or just supplement the feed?
Supplement with essential minerals |
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Location: Kansas | I live in Kansas, around the Topeka area....so really not wanting to drive more than an hour to an hour and a half to get a tub. |
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| I bought the 125 lb tub of equilix and neither of my two horses touch it. It's sitting next to the water tank. I have tried feeding grain on top of it and they just carefully eat the grain or leave it. They're not picky eaters by any means. But I've read good things about them! Wish they would eat it. |
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Location: West Texas | My experience is that means they are getting good nutrients and healthy on their feed. I had a band of broodmares that had been not fed well for a while by the previous managers. They ate the equilix so fast. I couldn't afford it. Once back in good health they leveled off. Had a yearling that was in very poor shape on purchase and he ate it well. After he got to be in great health and shape (and on a good nutritional program) he would barely even touch it.
I know horses are not supposed to self regulate nutrients, but more than once I have seen them do just that. If your horse is looking good and on a good feed program, I think the equilix is probably not necessary. Personally, I do like the equilix product, but only use it as needed.
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Location: Kansas | Tdove - 2015-10-21 3:20 PM My experience is that means they are getting good nutrients and healthy on their feed. I had a band of broodmares that had been not fed well for a while by the previous managers. They ate the equilix so fast. I couldn't afford it. Once back in good health they leveled off. Had a yearling that was in very poor shape on purchase and he ate it well. After he got to be in great health and shape (and on a good nutritional program) he would barely even touch it. I know horses are not supposed to self regulate nutrients, but more than once I have seen them do just that. If your horse is looking good and on a good feed program, I think the equilix is probably not necessary. Personally, I do like the equilix product.
Do you possibly know the analysis of one? I called a dealer who told me a 50lb tub was $54 plus tax...but she couldn't even tell me the analysis. |
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Location: West Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-21 3:24 PM
Tdove - 2015-10-21 3:20 PM My experience is that means they are getting good nutrients and healthy on their feed. I had a band of broodmares that had been not fed well for a while by the previous managers. They ate the equilix so fast. I couldn't afford it. Once back in good health they leveled off. Had a yearling that was in very poor shape on purchase and he ate it well. After he got to be in great health and shape (and on a good nutritional program) he would barely even touch it. I know horses are not supposed to self regulate nutrients, but more than once I have seen them do just that. If your horse is looking good and on a good feed program, I think the equilix is probably not necessary. Personally, I do like the equilix product.
Do you possibly know the analysis of one? I called a dealer who told me a 50lb tub was $54 plus tax...but she couldn't even tell me the analysis.
http://www.sweetpro.com/popup/equilix-chart.html
I have only used it for rehabilitation and not for maintenance. I would not count on it for flax supplementation, even though they promote that. The daily flax would be less than about 1.5 ounces (hard to tell may be less than 1 ounce), which is quite low. I am also not a big fan of DDGs but I do use their half concentrated product for broodmare supplementation on grass hay and pasture.
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Location: Willows, CA | BigStarBound - 2015-10-21 10:07 AM
chiquitamagic1 - 2015-10-21 9:43 AM
Ok, I am going to sound dumb, but do these take the place of feed or just supplement the feed?
Supplement with essential minerals
Most tubs are used for vitamin and mineral support. Though there are some that are a designed for use as a feed to support pasture. The Renew Gold tubs are a Protein and Mineral feed tub that is 13% protein and 5.5% fat. So not just a Vit/Min product. I contains coconut meal, has a full vitamin and mineral package and a prebiotic. Initial availability will be Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona and California. This product is for horses that can benefit from preconditioning before they are brought in for sale prep or starting, and also for broodmares. I have had mixed feelings about a tub for everyday use for horses that are kept up. I didn't want them put in stalls where they would be in the way. For horses that are turned out, like broodmares, that are not fed but need additional support, they are great. We have worked for two years on this project at the Twissleman Ranch in California and are just finishing testing up at Potter Ranch with some of Sherry's horses. |
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| winwillows - 2015-10-21 3:52 PM
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chiquitamagic1 - 2015-10-21 9:43 AM
Ok, I am going to sound dumb, but do these take the place of feed or just supplement the feed?
Supplement with essential minerals
Most tubs are used for vitamin and mineral support. Though there are some that are a designed for use as a feed to support pasture. The Renew Gold tubs are a Protein and Mineral feed tub that is 13% protein and 5.5% fat. So not just a Vit/Min product. I contains coconut meal, has a full vitamin and mineral package and a prebiotic. Initial availability will be Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona and California. This product is for horses that can benefit from preconditioning before they are brought in for sale prep or starting, and also for broodmares. I have had mixed feelings about a tub for everyday use for horses that are kept up. I didn't want them put in stalls where they would be in the way. For horses that are turned out, like broodmares, that are not fed but need additional support, they are great. We have worked for two years on this project at the Twissleman Ranch in California and are just finishing testing up at Potter Ranch with some of Sherry's horses.
Are you allowed to reveal the ingredient listing to us????? |
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| Tdove - 2015-10-21 2:20 PM
I know horses are not supposed to self regulate nutrients, but more than once I have seen them do just that. If your horse is looking good and on a good feed program, I think the equilix is probably not necessary. Personally, I do like the equilix product, but only use it as needed.
Oh I guess this has been my question all along. I thought horses only licked when they needed. I thought a block or tub was more optimal because then they would only eat when they needed???? I notice mine lick more in the spring and fall. Because they lick alot more at times I'm afraid to go without mineral with my alfalfa, grass, oats diet as has been mentioned here. But I don't want to put mineral in the feed if they don't need it and their eating it anyway.
I'm having trouble getting my goto mineral anymore so I might be on the lookout for a simple new one. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-21 10:25 AM I live in Kansas, around the Topeka area....so really not wanting to drive more than an hour to an hour and a half to get a tub.
R Bar B sells the Equilix tubs - I believe they have a smaller 25 and the 50 lb tubs. They also have FORCO and several other supplements. |
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Location: CTX | winwillows - 2015-10-21 4:52 PM BigStarBound - 2015-10-21 10:07 AM chiquitamagic1 - 2015-10-21 9:43 AM Ok, I am going to sound dumb, but do these take the place of feed or just supplement the feed? Supplement with essential minerals Most tubs are used for vitamin and mineral support. Though there are some that are a designed for use as a feed to support pasture. The Renew Gold tubs are a Protein and Mineral feed tub that is 13% protein and 5.5% fat. So not just a Vit/Min product. I contains coconut meal, has a full vitamin and mineral package and a prebiotic. Initial availability will be Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona and California. This product is for horses that can benefit from preconditioning before they are brought in for sale prep or starting, and also for broodmares. I have had mixed feelings about a tub for everyday use for horses that are kept up. I didn't want them put in stalls where they would be in the way. For horses that are turned out, like broodmares, that are not fed but need additional support, they are great. We have worked for two years on this project at the Twissleman Ranch in California and are just finishing testing up at Potter Ranch with some of Sherry's horses.
I would be scared it the horses are kept up that they will lick it out of boredom. But it might just work in the pasture. Please keep us updated!  |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | cranky B4 10am - 2015-10-22 9:47 AM winwillows - 2015-10-21 4:52 PM BigStarBound - 2015-10-21 10:07 AM chiquitamagic1 - 2015-10-21 9:43 AM Ok, I am going to sound dumb, but do these take the place of feed or just supplement the feed? Supplement with essential minerals Most tubs are used for vitamin and mineral support. Though there are some that are a designed for use as a feed to support pasture. The Renew Gold tubs are a Protein and Mineral feed tub that is 13% protein and 5.5% fat. So not just a Vit/Min product. I contains coconut meal, has a full vitamin and mineral package and a prebiotic. Initial availability will be Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona and California. This product is for horses that can benefit from preconditioning before they are brought in for sale prep or starting, and also for broodmares. I have had mixed feelings about a tub for everyday use for horses that are kept up. I didn't want them put in stalls where they would be in the way. For horses that are turned out, like broodmares, that are not fed but need additional support, they are great. We have worked for two years on this project at the Twissleman Ranch in California and are just finishing testing up at Potter Ranch with some of Sherry's horses.
I can't wait for these to come out!!!!!! |
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Location: Willows, CA | cranky B4 10am - 2015-10-22 10:47 AM
winwillows - 2015-10-21 4:52 PM BigStarBound - 2015-10-21 10:07 AM chiquitamagic1 - 2015-10-21 9:43 AM Ok, I am going to sound dumb, but do these take the place of feed or just supplement the feed? Supplement with essential minerals Most tubs are used for vitamin and mineral support. Though there are some that are a designed for use as a feed to support pasture. The Renew Gold tubs are a Protein and Mineral feed tub that is 13% protein and 5.5% fat. So not just a Vit/Min product. I contains coconut meal, has a full vitamin and mineral package and a prebiotic. Initial availability will be Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona and California. This product is for horses that can benefit from preconditioning before they are brought in for sale prep or starting, and also for broodmares. I have had mixed feelings about a tub for everyday use for horses that are kept up. I didn't want them put in stalls where they would be in the way. For horses that are turned out, like broodmares, that are not fed but need additional support, they are great. We have worked for two years on this project at the Twissleman Ranch in California and are just finishing testing up at Potter Ranch with some of Sherry's horses.
Yes, turn out tubs are not designed for use where a horse is kept in a stall. But,There are many horses that are kept out on large acreage that have nothing but what they stand on to eat. In some cases this may be enough, in some cases not. Where it is not, a tub that provides an overall nutritional boost can be appropriate. Consumption can be adjusted by both formulation and by how far the tubs are placed from the water source. We were looking for 3/4 pound to 1 pound per day per head. It took a while to hit that consistently, but in the end we found that it is possible. Changes in pasture quality effect consumption, as do weather and herd size. |
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Location: West Texas | winwillows - 2015-10-22 11:29 AM
cranky B4 10am - 2015-10-22 10:47 AM
winwillows - 2015-10-21 4:52 PM BigStarBound - 2015-10-21 10:07 AM chiquitamagic1 - 2015-10-21 9:43 AM Ok, I am going to sound dumb, but do these take the place of feed or just supplement the feed? Supplement with essential minerals Most tubs are used for vitamin and mineral support. Though there are some that are a designed for use as a feed to support pasture. The Renew Gold tubs are a Protein and Mineral feed tub that is 13% protein and 5.5% fat. So not just a Vit/Min product. I contains coconut meal, has a full vitamin and mineral package and a prebiotic. Initial availability will be Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona and California. This product is for horses that can benefit from preconditioning before they are brought in for sale prep or starting, and also for broodmares. I have had mixed feelings about a tub for everyday use for horses that are kept up. I didn't want them put in stalls where they would be in the way. For horses that are turned out, like broodmares, that are not fed but need additional support, they are great. We have worked for two years on this project at the Twissleman Ranch in California and are just finishing testing up at Potter Ranch with some of Sherry's horses.
Yes, turn out tubs are not designed for use where a horse is kept in a stall. But,There are many horses that are kept out on large acreage that have nothing but what they stand on to eat. In some cases this may be enough, in some cases not. Where it is not, a tub that provides an overall nutritional boost can be appropriate. Consumption can be adjusted by both formulation and by how far the tubs are placed from the water source. We were looking for 3/4 pound to 1 pound per day per head. It took a while to hit that consistently, but in the end we found that it is possible. Changes in pasture quality effect consumption, as do weather and herd size.
I would be interested in this product when it becomes available. I would most be interested in cost. As you are talking turned out horses that need help nutritionally, without adding labor cost of feeding, I am assuming broodmare bands are the largest target group. Feed costs are very important to this group, so I would be very interested in cost to use and feed. Thanks. |
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| I used the equilix tubs in a corral. They didn't over consume them. There's no molasses in them. They licked as needed. I quit using because of cost and I don't know if there is too much selenium in my forage for the tub. |
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Location: CTX | winwillows - 2015-10-22 11:29 AM cranky B4 10am - 2015-10-22 10:47 AM winwillows - 2015-10-21 4:52 PM BigStarBound - 2015-10-21 10:07 AM chiquitamagic1 - 2015-10-21 9:43 AM Ok, I am going to sound dumb, but do these take the place of feed or just supplement the feed? Supplement with essential minerals Most tubs are used for vitamin and mineral support. Though there are some that are a designed for use as a feed to support pasture. The Renew Gold tubs are a Protein and Mineral feed tub that is 13% protein and 5.5% fat. So not just a Vit/Min product. I contains coconut meal, has a full vitamin and mineral package and a prebiotic. Initial availability will be Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona and California. This product is for horses that can benefit from preconditioning before they are brought in for sale prep or starting, and also for broodmares. I have had mixed feelings about a tub for everyday use for horses that are kept up. I didn't want them put in stalls where they would be in the way. For horses that are turned out, like broodmares, that are not fed but need additional support, they are great. We have worked for two years on this project at the Twissleman Ranch in California and are just finishing testing up at Potter Ranch with some of Sherry's horses. Yes, turn out tubs are not designed for use where a horse is kept in a stall. But,There are many horses that are kept out on large acreage that have nothing but what they stand on to eat. In some cases this may be enough, in some cases not. Where it is not, a tub that provides an overall nutritional boost can be appropriate. Consumption can be adjusted by both formulation and by how far the tubs are placed from the water source. We were looking for 3/4 pound to 1 pound per day per head. It took a while to hit that consistently, but in the end we found that it is possible. Changes in pasture quality effect consumption, as do weather and herd size.
Oh I agree it will depend on a lot of different things if they work or not.
But just the fact that it will be an option is exciting!
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Location: Willows, CA | Tdove - 2015-10-22 11:43 AM
winwillows - 2015-10-22 11:29 AM
cranky B4 10am - 2015-10-22 10:47 AM
winwillows - 2015-10-21 4:52 PM BigStarBound - 2015-10-21 10:07 AM chiquitamagic1 - 2015-10-21 9:43 AM Ok, I am going to sound dumb, but do these take the place of feed or just supplement the feed? Supplement with essential minerals Most tubs are used for vitamin and mineral support. Though there are some that are a designed for use as a feed to support pasture. The Renew Gold tubs are a Protein and Mineral feed tub that is 13% protein and 5.5% fat. So not just a Vit/Min product. I contains coconut meal, has a full vitamin and mineral package and a prebiotic. Initial availability will be Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona and California. This product is for horses that can benefit from preconditioning before they are brought in for sale prep or starting, and also for broodmares. I have had mixed feelings about a tub for everyday use for horses that are kept up. I didn't want them put in stalls where they would be in the way. For horses that are turned out, like broodmares, that are not fed but need additional support, they are great. We have worked for two years on this project at the Twissleman Ranch in California and are just finishing testing up at Potter Ranch with some of Sherry's horses.
Yes, turn out tubs are not designed for use where a horse is kept in a stall. But,There are many horses that are kept out on large acreage that have nothing but what they stand on to eat. In some cases this may be enough, in some cases not. Where it is not, a tub that provides an overall nutritional boost can be appropriate. Consumption can be adjusted by both formulation and by how far the tubs are placed from the water source. We were looking for 3/4 pound to 1 pound per day per head. It took a while to hit that consistently, but in the end we found that it is possible. Changes in pasture quality effect consumption, as do weather and herd size.
I would be interested in this product when it becomes available. I would most be interested in cost. As you are talking turned out horses that need help nutritionally, without adding labor cost of feeding, I am assuming broodmare bands are the largest target group. Feed costs are very important to this group, so I would be very interested in cost to use and feed. Thanks.
As you would imagine, the pricing on this is all about how they are distributed. This is not a typical distributor to feed store item because of freight costs. We are trying to get them to Texas and out to broodmare bands at a delivered price that is practical. More information to follow as we work on a unique distribution arrangement. I did not intend to steal this thread. There is a lot to the idea of what a nutritional tub can or should be. During the California drought we had a pretty unique chance to see what broader spectrum nutritional support in a 125 pound tub could do compared to just providing a vitamin and mineral package. We conditioned all 50 colts used for the Horsemans ReUnion event last year on these tubs while the drought was in full swing. The result was all we could ever ask for. A product like this has an application for horses on questionable quality turn out that could not easily be supplemented in another way. With better forage available you might get along fine with just a Vitamin / Mineral formula, and there are a number of options to do that. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I use the horselic pails as well. Have seen a HUGE difference in my horses since starting them. |
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