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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I've got a little short cutting bred mare that has a little head with little short ears. She pins her ears back when she runs. When she does my headstall comes back over her ears and just flops the rest of the run. It's every headstall I put on her. She doesn't like a bit high in her mouth so I can't adjust it. Is there anything else I can do? She wears a tie down so I thought about tying it to the part of her nose band that goes behind her ears but I don't know if this will work. |
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Location: PNW | TessBelle - 2015-10-20 3:28 PM
I've got a little short cutting bred mare that has a little head with little short ears. She pins her ears back when she runs. When she does my headstall comes back over her ears and just flops the rest of the run. It's every headstall I put on her. She doesn't like a bit high in her mouth so I can't adjust it. Is there anything else I can do? She wears a tie down so I thought about tying it to the part of her nose band that goes behind her ears but I don't know if this will work.
Are you using a browband headstall with a throat latch? If you are, and it is still coming off, try a cob-sized English bridle. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | svincent - 2015-10-20 5:29 PM
TessBelle - 2015-10-20 3:28 PM
I've got a little short cutting bred mare that has a little head with little short ears. She pins her ears back when she runs. When she does my headstall comes back over her ears and just flops the rest of the run. It's every headstall I put on her. She doesn't like a bit high in her mouth so I can't adjust it. Is there anything else I can do? She wears a tie down so I thought about tying it to the part of her nose band that goes behind her ears but I don't know if this will work.
Are you using a browband headstall with a throat latch? If you are, and it is still coming off, try a cob-sized English bridle.
I've tired both. The brow band isn't as bad but it still does it. It doesn't come completely over like the one ear. It just kinda comes up on her ears. |
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Location: North Dakota | You could try tying it to the noseband or or you could make a jowl strap. I have done this with chicago screws and an old throat latch strap. I can't garantee either will work but it's worth a shot. |
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| I had a bit that made all my bridles do this for some odd reason. We tied the poll piece to the tie down poll piece and didn't have anymore issues. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-10-20 6:56 PM
I had a bit that made all my bridles do this for some odd reason. We tied the poll piece to the tie down poll piece and didn't have anymore issues.
I didn't think about it being the bit. I'll try tying it down. |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | I'd tie a string from the browband to the tie down... |
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| I'm trying to envision how a properly adjusted head stall with brow band and throat latch comes off.
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Location: Kansas | invest in one of these, I have all 3 in the different colors. I really really really like them. They are the wigwam headstalls
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Do you have a picture of this mare with her headstall on, I'm with the other poster, cant see how a browband headstall can slip back.  |
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Location: MD | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-21 2:03 PM invest in one of these, I have all 3 in the different colors. I really really really like them. They are the wigwam headstalls
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Location: Kansas | CE's wrapn3 - 2015-10-21 3:12 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-21 2:03 PM invest in one of these, I have all 3 in the different colors. I really really really like them. They are the wigwam headstalls
Yes, I bought all mine off ebay though. All 3 brand new for like $30 lol |
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| arion - 2015-10-21 7:39 AM
I'm trying to envision how a properly adjusted head stall with brow band and throat latch comes off.
My bit would flip over on the turns which sent a ripple-like effect up the headstall and would flip it over her ear. Then gravity did the rest. That bit was just a total pain in the rear. haha It was so weird, but it happened. |
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Location: PNW | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-21 1:16 PM
CE's wrapn3 - 2015-10-21 3:12 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-21 2:03 PM invest in one of these, I have all 3 in the different colors. I really really really like them. They are the wigwam headstalls
Does the little bead guy cinch up to the ear? |
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Location: PNW | Southtxponygirl - 2015-10-21 12:55 PM
Do you have a picture of this mare with her headstall on, I'm with the other poster, cant see how a browband headstall can slip back.
Third this. |
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Location: Kansas | svincent - 2015-10-21 3:21 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-21 1:16 PM CE's wrapn3 - 2015-10-21 3:12 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-21 2:03 PM invest in one of these, I have all 3 in the different colors. I really really really like them. They are the wigwam headstalls
Does the little bead guy cinch up to the ear?
I'll have to look this evening when I get home. |
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| QH<3er - 2015-10-20 9:02 PM
I'd tie a string from the browband to the tie down...
I also heard someone the other day mention they'd tie the headstall to a braid the the mane for a horse who didn't like the headstall touching his ears (abuse case) |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | OhMax - 2015-10-21 3:28 PM
QH<3er - 2015-10-20 9:02 PM
I'd tie a string from the browband to the tie down...
I also heard someone the other day mention they'd tie the headstall to a braid the the mane for a horse who didn't like the headstall touching his ears (abuse case )
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | svincent - 2015-10-21 3:22 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2015-10-21 12:55 PM
Do you have a picture of this mare with her headstall on, I'm with the other poster, cant see how a browband headstall can slip back.
Third this.
Let's see if it will post. I don't have one of her with a brow band on.
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| TessBelle - 2015-10-22 2:58 AM
Here's another one
You can clearly see that you are tightening up on the reins lifting the bit and your mare is also sucking the bit up into the bars of her mouth to sit where it should be and this ends up giving a good 4 inches of loose poll leather to flip over her ears ...
Tack her up correctly with a half smile at each corner and your problems will go away ...
Most bling type headstalls do not have enough holes to size it correctly to fit the horse so get you a good working type headstall and punch some more holes in it to get it to fit .. DM TACK has some excellent headstalls with stainless steel buckles and tongues that are high quality and last a lifetime ... for your big ring bit and small headed horse you might take a look at headstalls used on mechanical hackamores for even a better fit ....
Get rid of those reins.... get you some that are 5/8ths inches wide so you have some kind of hand control ...
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-10-21 3:20 PM
arion - 2015-10-21 7:39 AM
I'm trying to envision how a properly adjusted head stall with brow band and throat latch comes off.
My bit would flip over on the turns which sent a ripple-like effect up the headstall and would flip it over her ear. Then gravity did the rest. That bit was just a total pain in the rear. haha It was so weird, but it happened.
What do you mean it would flip over? Hers is a Mullen mouth and the bar will flip in her mouth. Doesn't flip completely. I've just noticed she flips it up and down when she gets nervous. |
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Location: Central Texas | I think if you tighten up the head band where she has a wrinkle or two in the corners of her lips it might fix the issue. As far the reins someone mentioned, ride in whatever makes you comfortable. I have several different reins that I run in and I have the same control with them all. I actually have a pair like yours that I use at times, although I do prefer a flat one but that's my preference. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | ampratt - 2015-10-22 7:35 AM
I think if you tighten up the head band where she has a wrinkle or two in the corners of her lips it might fix the issue. As far the reins someone mentioned, ride in whatever makes you comfortable. I have several different reins that I run in and I have the same control with them all. I actually have a pair like yours that I use at times, although I do prefer a flat one but that's my preference.
I'm not real picky when it goes to reins. I have 2 pair of the braided flat ones. One pair of Josey knot reins and those. Only difference in these and the Josey ones is those are rounded instead of flat. |
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Location: North Dakota | My futurity horse had really bad aural plaque in her ear this summer. As a result, she couldn't stand having them touched and was everything I could do to get a headstall on without getting the wind knocked out of me. My vet scraped them and we treated them. While they were healing, I had to run at a few events with no earpiece or brow band. To keep the headstall in place, I put the crown piece between two pieces of mane and braided the hair around it.
However, looking at the pictures you posted, I do agree that your headstall is too loose. If it were me, I'd tighten each side a notch or two and get the bit back up on the bars where it can rest comfortably. This will more than likely fix your slipping issue. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | In the second pic, you can see how far down in the mouth the bit is....it isn't even remotely adjusted where it should be....it has to be banging around in her mouth. Shorten your bridle and adjust the bit PROPERLY and you, more than likely, won't have a problem. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I'll take a pic this afternoon without the bit guards. She has 2 wrinkles. It's not adjusted like I would like for it to be but she has never seemed to like a bit high in her mouth. I raised her since she was 5m old. She had to have a lot of corrective work to her teeth as a 3yr old. And still has to have them done every 6 months. I know it will be asked so... Yes I use a licensed equine dentist not a vet. |
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| I didn't read all the responses so not sure if this has been suggested but you can tie the crown piece of your headstall to the crown of the tie down, easily done with a twist tie. OR a trick I learned from my roughy husband, if your horse does not have a bridle path, you can take pieces of hair on both side of the crown and tie them together over the crown piece to prevent slipping. |
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Location: PNW | Tighten the cheeks. She should have a smile or so in each corner. Even with the headstall off and four inches behind her ears, it is STILL too low. Adjust it properly and I bet it stops coming off. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Here's a pic of it on her relaxed. I took the bit guard off so you could see it better.
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| TessBelle - 2015-10-22 5:32 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-10-21 3:20 PM
arion - 2015-10-21 7:39 AM
I'm trying to envision how a properly adjusted head stall with brow band and throat latch comes off.
My bit would flip over on the turns which sent a ripple-like effect up the headstall and would flip it over her ear. Then gravity did the rest. That bit was just a total pain in the rear. haha It was so weird, but it happened.
What do you mean it would flip over? Hers is a Mullen mouth and the bar will flip in her mouth. Doesn't flip completely. I've just noticed she flips it up and down when she gets nervous.
The entire shank would flip over and be up near her eye, this jostled her headstall around until it slid right over her ear and then it would just slide off. It had loose rings where the bit connected to the headstall, and I hated them. I will never use another bit that doesn't have solid headstall holes.
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Location: PNW | TessBelle - 2015-10-22 5:25 PM
Here's a pic of it on her relaxed. I took the bit guard off so you could see it better.
I'd adjust it so that she has a smile and a half. Your headstall will probably stay on AND her cues will sharpen. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | svincent - 2015-10-22 9:50 PM TessBelle - 2015-10-22 5:25 PM Here's a pic of it on her relaxed. I took the bit guard off so you could see it better. I'd adjust it so that she has a smile and a half. Your headstall will probably stay on AND her cues will sharpen.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | TessBelle - 2015-10-22 2:58 AM Here's another one
She sure does have a pretty little head  , I agree with the others tighten up your headstall and see how it looks with a extra wrinkle  |
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