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Location: California | FLITASTIC - 2015-10-21 1:36 PM There was a recent Monensin feed problem out here in CA, near Fresno. The feed was tested and came back positive. THis is the link to a youtube video of one of the affected horses. I for one am extremely grateful for the info I have learned here about processed feeds!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVA70tuFwDA
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Location: Willows, CA | I think that there is more of this happening than people realize. Not all horses ingest enough to show this kind of response. But, even if the contamination is low, it effects the heart muscle to the point that horse can no longer function to its' potential. This failure to thrive can be slight or significant. In either case, a horse owner might not relate the effect to the real problem. |
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Location: Florida.. | dear God.. my friends had mild symptoms and colicy and heart issues. This is absolutely devastating.. we need to really do more as a industry to stop this. and yes thanks to rachael there is more info out there.. |
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FLITASTIC - 2015-10-21 1:36 PM There was a recent Monensin feed problem out here in CA, near Fresno. The feed was tested and came back positive. THis is the link to a youtube video of one of the affected horses. I for one am extremely grateful for the info I have learned here about processed feeds!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVA70tuFwDA
Yes. Just google monensin poisoning Fresno CA and it talks all about it. Feed company and all. But over the last year there have been cases all over the country about it. |
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Location: California | FLITASTIC - 2015-10-21 4:29 PM little_bug - 2015-10-21 2:57 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-10-21 1:36 PM There was a recent Monensin feed problem out here in CA, near Fresno. The feed was tested and came back positive. THis is the link to a youtube video of one of the affected horses. I for one am extremely grateful for the info I have learned here about processed feeds!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVA70tuFwDA Yes. Just google monensin poisoning Fresno CA and it talks all about it. Feed company and all. But over the last year there have been cases all over the country about it.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | ThreeCorners - 2015-10-21 4:46 PM Devistating. So glad I never fell into the processed feed trap. Feed real grains God designed and you know exactly what it is when you look at it.
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ThreeCorners - 2015-10-21 4:46 PM Devistating. So glad I never fell into the processed feed trap. Feed real grains God designed and you know exactly what it is when you look at it.
You can still have issues with straight grains if they are bagged in a mill that produces medicated feed.
Yep and in Texas that makes it very hard to find straight grains that you don't have to worry about. That is why I travel 2 hours one way to buy my Omni Cubes. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Barnmom - 2015-10-22 8:18 AM
ThreeCorners - 2015-10-21 4:46 PM Devistating. So glad I never fell into the processed feed trap. Feed real grains God designed and you know exactly what it is when you look at it.
You can still have issues with straight grains if they are bagged in a mill that produces medicated feed.
This is true. Most mills have one bagging line that does everything whether it is mixed feed or straight grain. If the line is contaminated, so is whatever goes through it. In most cases, this would be less contamination than in the blender, but, this is a zero tolerance issue. |
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Location: Willows, CA | The tradition of making both medicated cattle feeds and horse feeds is not unusual for many feed mills today. More so than ever based on profit generation. They do have protocols for doing this in a way that they feel is safe. The problem remains that human error is the one factor that can't be completely controlled. The only way to be 100% safe is if no medication is at the facility where horse feed is made. No matter what your protocol is, one ****ed off employee can change everything. If the medicated ingredient is on site, there is always a risk.
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Location: OKLAHOMA | This has been my fear since I first heard of the problem. One employee having a bad day or angry or not paying
attention and then huge problem. Prayers for anybody dealing with these issues. I know it makes it hard to know what to do.
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| winwillows - 2015-10-22 9:59 AM
The tradition of making both medicated cattle feeds and horse feeds is not unusual for many feed mills today. More so than ever based on profit generation. They do have protocols for doing this in a way that they feel is safe. The problem remains that human error is the one factor that can't be completely controlled. The only to be 100% safe is if no medication is at the facility where horse feed is made. No matter what your protocol is, one ****ed off employee can change everything. If the medicated ingredient is on site, there is always a risk.
They don't even have to be mad, they could be preoccupied or tired or just not knowledgeable about the importance of following protocol or even just plain laziness. All of these are unacceptable, but happen all the time in the work place. |
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Location: West Texas | That's right, often times it could be a complete innocent mistake. I was told a story of a feedyard that was having cattle dying. Took months to figure out the problem and they kept having them die. It turned out to be the cleaning crew, sweeping toxin into the feed piles, unknowingly. So many ways for mistakes to happen.
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Location: Beggs, OK | No matter the source of the contamination...It's a MUCH larger issue than most people realize. The feed mills look at it as an acceptable risk and are hedging their bets on the fact that people don't think to test their feed or even consider the feed as being the reason their horse is sick....especially if it's only one horse out of ten that is having trouble. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | winwillows - 2015-10-22 9:59 AM The tradition of making both medicated cattle feeds and horse feeds is not unusual for many feed mills today. More so than ever based on profit generation. They do have protocols for doing this in a way that they feel is safe. The problem remains that human error is the one factor that can't be completely controlled. The only way to be 100% safe is if no medication is at the facility where horse feed is made. No matter what your protocol is, one ****ed off employee can change everything. If the medicated ingredient is on site, there is always a risk.
Exactly, and your protocol is only as good as your worst employee. Anyone who has tried to hire help lately will understand how scary that is, it is a rarity to find people who pride themseves in a job well done. |
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Location: Louisiana | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-22 11:21 AM
No matter the source of the contamination...It's a MUCH larger issue than most people realize. The feed mills look at it as an acceptable risk and are hedging their bets on the fact that people don't think to test their feed or even consider the feed as being the reason their horse is sick....especially if it's only one horse out of ten that is having trouble.
Do you have a link to some of the "mild" symptoms? The mill we were using had horses get sick, and a couple die. Of course the facility tested clean, but they had ample time to "clean up" so to speak before an inspection was made. After that spell, we were also feeding Nutrena feeds.
My gelding has been "off" all year. And his weight has fluctuated, his coat has come and gone, dull then shiny, then dull again. Not running hard. Just coasting, seeming to run out of gas. Dull look in his eye at times.
We recently swapped everything on the place over to a Putina feed, but this horse in particular, along with my other barrel horse are now on alfalfa cubes and while oats, both from safe companies. It's been a week since I began the swap, and they've been off processed feed for 3 days now and I swear he looks better each day. I noticed today his top line seems to have filled out more.
I just wonder if the feed was contaminated. Just enough to cause issues, but not make him deathly ill. He's the only horse on the place that had problems. He practically lost all of his hair this summer, just crazy weird stuff. I've owned him 5 years and he's never had issues like that before.
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rachellyn80 - 2015-10-22 11:21 AM
No matter the source of the contamination...It's a MUCH larger issue than most people realize. The feed mills look at it as an acceptable risk and are hedging their bets on the fact that people don't think to test their feed or even consider the feed as being the reason their horse is sick....especially if it's only one horse out of ten that is having trouble.
Do you have a link to some of the "mild" symptoms? The mill we were using had horses get sick, and a couple die. Of course the facility tested clean, but they had ample time to "clean up" so to speak before an inspection was made. After that spell, we were also feeding Nutrena feeds.
My gelding has been "off" all year. And his weight has fluctuated, his coat has come and gone, dull then shiny, then dull again. Not running hard. Just coasting, seeming to run out of gas. Dull look in his eye at times.
We recently swapped everything on the place over to a Putina feed, but this horse in particular, along with my other barrel horse are now on alfalfa cubes and while oats, both from safe companies. It's been a week since I began the swap, and they've been off processed feed for 3 days now and I swear he looks better each day. I noticed today his top line seems to have filled out more.
I just wonder if the feed was contaminated. Just enough to cause issues, but not make him deathly ill. He's the only horse on the place that had problems. He practically lost all of his hair this summer, just crazy weird stuff. I've owned him 5 years and he's never had issues like that before.
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Location: Louisiana | FLITASTIC - 2015-10-22 12:07 PM dashnlotti - 2015-10-22 9:55 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-10-22 11:21 AM No matter the source of the contamination...It's a MUCH larger issue than most people realize. The feed mills look at it as an acceptable risk and are hedging their bets on the fact that people don't think to test their feed or even consider the feed as being the reason their horse is sick....especially if it's only one horse out of ten that is having trouble. Do you have a link to some of the "mild" symptoms? The mill we were using had horses get sick, and a couple die. Of course the facility tested clean, but they had ample time to "clean up" so to speak before an inspection was made. After that spell, we were also feeding Nutrena feeds. My gelding has been "off" all year. And his weight has fluctuated, his coat has come and gone, dull then shiny, then dull again. Not running hard. Just coasting, seeming to run out of gas. Dull look in his eye at times. We recently swapped everything on the place over to a Putina feed, but this horse in particular, along with my other barrel horse are now on alfalfa cubes and while oats, both from safe companies. It's been a week since I began the swap, and they've been off processed feed for 3 days now and I swear he looks better each day. I noticed today his top line seems to have filled out more. I just wonder if the feed was contaminated. Just enough to cause issues, but not make him deathly ill. He's the only horse on the place that had problems. He practically lost all of his hair this summer, just crazy weird stuff. I've owned him 5 years and he's never had issues like that before. Hmmmm.... I would say that if your seeing such good results after only a few days off processed feeds then it was pretty likely!
And to think he got that feed for years...
we never had any kind of issues before. Then I started reading about monecin on BHW. Then we got wind of sick horses eating the same mix as ours. It was at that time that he looked like poop. But I kept attributing it to other things. It was his first summer in 24/7 turnout, I moved him from home, etcetera etc. Ugh. So disheartening. And it's almost frustrating that nothing else on our place or my mom's got sick. Although now that I THINK about it, my mom has an older gelding that went down over the summer too. Same feed. Lost weight, felt like doodoo, stopped eating. Since he swapped to Purina he has started clocking faster with his young rider. Her parents even bought her a new horse bc he had slowed down so much lol.
I can't prove it was the feed, but I'm happy to say that everything in my feed room is from a "safe" feed company. So hopefully we don't deal with these issues again!! My horse goes to the vet next week for a lameness exam, and I will certainly ask him about possible damage that could have been caused. I'm glad that BHW is such a wealth of knowledge. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-23 8:33 AM
PLEASE GO TO MY PAGE ON FB:
IS YOUR HORSE FEED SAFE
I have been sharing stories, articles, studies, and my own personal experience with my horses exposure to this toxin.
Rachellelynn80-can you list the safe feed companies again on here? The ones that do not produce any medicated feeds in their mills, I think you had gotten a list together a while back. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | dashnlotti - 2015-10-22 11:55 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-10-22 11:21 AM No matter the source of the contamination...It's a MUCH larger issue than most people realize. The feed mills look at it as an acceptable risk and are hedging their bets on the fact that people don't think to test their feed or even consider the feed as being the reason their horse is sick....especially if it's only one horse out of ten that is having trouble. Do you have a link to some of the "mild" symptoms? The mill we were using had horses get sick, and a couple die. Of course the facility tested clean, but they had ample time to "clean up" so to speak before an inspection was made. After that spell, we were also feeding Nutrena feeds. My gelding has been "off" all year. And his weight has fluctuated, his coat has come and gone, dull then shiny, then dull again. Not running hard. Just coasting, seeming to run out of gas. Dull look in his eye at times. We recently swapped everything on the place over to a Putina feed, but this horse in particular, along with my other barrel horse are now on alfalfa cubes and while oats, both from safe companies. It's been a week since I began the swap, and they've been off processed feed for 3 days now and I swear he looks better each day. I noticed today his top line seems to have filled out more. I just wonder if the feed was contaminated. Just enough to cause issues, but not make him deathly ill. He's the only horse on the place that had problems. He practically lost all of his hair this summer, just crazy weird stuff. I've owned him 5 years and he's never had issues like that before. Hmmmm....
It could have been some sort of contamination or it could also be attributed to changes in ingredients. Companies use alternate low cost ingredients that will still meet the nutritional guarantee, but may not necessarily be the best form for your horse. If you look at the ingredients list you can see that it's very vague and really isn't much that you would choose to feed your horse separately. Regardless, I'm so happy that you've seen positive changes. Good nutrition and a healthy gut are the key to a healthy and sound horse. Good nutrition means different things to many people though and we are all guilty of falling into the "horses have to have concentrated feeds" mindset. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | BayRoan - 2015-10-22 1:10 PM You know, I'm almost wondering if the little yearling that supposedly died from Quest didn't have monensin toxicity. Last I heard there was no definitive diagnosis?
The videos that I saw on the pages that were after Quest and other wormers were absolutely a neurological reaction to a toxin, but with no more information than was given, there's no way to know. I don't think that it had anything to do with Quest from the little bit that I did read about it. The timeline didn't match up at all. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-22 12:21 PM BayRoan - 2015-10-22 1:10 PM You know, I'm almost wondering if the little yearling that supposedly died from Quest didn't have monensin toxicity. Last I heard there was no definitive diagnosis? The videos that I saw on the pages that were after Quest and other wormers were absolutely a neurological reaction to a toxin, but with no more information than was given, there's no way to know. I don't think that it had anything to do with Quest from the little bit that I did read about it. The timeline didn't match up at all.
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Location: Deep South | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-22 10:33 AM
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Location: Louisiana | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-22 12:49 PM dashnlotti - 2015-10-22 11:55 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-10-22 11:21 AM No matter the source of the contamination...It's a MUCH larger issue than most people realize. The feed mills look at it as an acceptable risk and are hedging their bets on the fact that people don't think to test their feed or even consider the feed as being the reason their horse is sick....especially if it's only one horse out of ten that is having trouble. Do you have a link to some of the "mild" symptoms? The mill we were using had horses get sick, and a couple die. Of course the facility tested clean, but they had ample time to "clean up" so to speak before an inspection was made. After that spell, we were also feeding Nutrena feeds. My gelding has been "off" all year. And his weight has fluctuated, his coat has come and gone, dull then shiny, then dull again. Not running hard. Just coasting, seeming to run out of gas. Dull look in his eye at times. We recently swapped everything on the place over to a Putina feed, but this horse in particular, along with my other barrel horse are now on alfalfa cubes and while oats, both from safe companies. It's been a week since I began the swap, and they've been off processed feed for 3 days now and I swear he looks better each day. I noticed today his top line seems to have filled out more. I just wonder if the feed was contaminated. Just enough to cause issues, but not make him deathly ill. He's the only horse on the place that had problems. He practically lost all of his hair this summer, just crazy weird stuff. I've owned him 5 years and he's never had issues like that before. Hmmmm....
I had finally just decided that there must've been a weed or something out there that he was allergic to. Since he was new to the property. Who knows. I hope he wasn't exposed to the toxins, but I also hope I don't deal with the same thing every summer. But yes I have decided to be proactive about his nutrition and am excited about the horse I'll have in 30, 60, 90 days. He's capable of winning, and this year he struggled. It's a let down when you have that awesome year winning money against girls you always thought "better" and the next year you can't clock with them to save your life. And it's not bc they were outrunning me. My horse wasn't running. Thank you for all of your research and knowledge!! |
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Location: OKLAHOMA | HUGE THANK YOU to Rachellyn80 for all she has shared with us all on BHW and FB. Just in my little bit of research the
time involved is crazy. So THANK YOU very much Rachellyn80, I know you have gigantic passion for this and I for
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Location: Beggs, OK | run n rate - 2015-10-22 12:26 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-10-23 8:33 AM PLEASE GO TO MY PAGE ON FB:
IS YOUR HORSE FEED SAFE
I have been sharing stories, articles, studies, and my own personal experience with my horses exposure to this toxin. Rachellelynn80-can you list the safe feed companies again on here? The ones that do not produce any medicated feeds in their mills, I think you had gotten a list together a while back.
I think SKM had a pretty comprehensive list that she had put together. The northern girls I know were having a harder time finding clean mills. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | rostymom - 2015-10-22 2:41 PM HUGE THANK YOU to Rachellyn80 for all she has shared with us all on BHW and FB. Just in my little bit of research the
time involved is crazy. So THANK YOU very much Rachellyn80, I know you have gigantic passion for this and I for
one am greatful for your willingness to share. Be Bless girl....
You are welcome, and Thank You. It's been a mixed bag for sure. I have made myself a target for some and disregarded by others...but, I've never learned more because of something so awful in my life than I have about this subject.
It's not anywhere close to being over and I know I will irritate the devil out of some, but they're not the ones that I'm concerned about anyway. I hope to bring about some new regulations to protect horse owners from ever going through what we have been through this year. |
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Location: CTX | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-22 3:31 PM rostymom - 2015-10-22 2:41 PM HUGE THANK YOU to Rachellyn80 for all she has shared with us all on BHW and FB. Just in my little bit of research the
time involved is crazy. So THANK YOU very much Rachellyn80, I know you have gigantic passion for this and I for
one am greatful for your willingness to share. Be Bless girl.... You are welcome, and Thank You. It's been a mixed bag for sure. I have made myself a target for some and disregarded by others...but, I've never learned more because of something so awful in my life than I have about this subject.
It's not anywhere close to being over and I know I will irritate the devil out of some, but they're not the ones that I'm concerned about anyway. I hope to bring about some new regulations to protect horse owners from ever going through what we have been through this year.
I am pretty sure you saved a bunch of horses already with your research! I know from now on if I ever have to change something in my feed schedule I will research it extensively before I give it to my horses!
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Location: Arkansas | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-22 10:33 AM
PLEASE GO TO MY PAGE ON FB:
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You have been a blessing with all your hard won knowledge and information. Thank you again. |
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Location: North Dakota | That is so heartbreaking :( I've never seen the results of monensin poisoning like that. I'm so glad for BHW. I never would have heard of this without you guys. It amazing that some people would still risk this and keep feeding sketchy feeds. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | What's sad is that the people responsible for keeping the feed that I was buying safe are posting pictures of how great their horses look on it.... It's tough not to comment that I've seen the horse run and he looks like mine did when I couldn't figure out what was wrong with him, and I couldn't get him out of the 2D either. |
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| I doubt it monensin. I know the lady that lost Bogo. I know her daughter and granddaughters. They take amazing care of their horses. Bogo I believe had been raised on the property. I am saying Quest did it. But thats my opinion. There have been to many others that have came forward with similar stories after deworming with Quest.
on the feed note, I was feeding Safechoice Perform since May. In early september I started noticing alot of corn kernels in my feed. First bag I didnt think much about. But several bags, purchased from different TSC's and all had corn in them made me suspicious. About that time my semi retired mare started acting odd. Not anything drastic but after 13 years I know when she doesnt feel right. Something was off and I couldnt put my finger on it. Wouldnt come up to eat, I had to go catch her and bring her in. My husband found her laying down alot after eating. She was super reactive and spooky at EVERYTHING. I kept telling my husband that something wasnt right with her. The other 2 were normal. So I decided to perform an experiment. I took her off pellets and put her on just Chaff hay. Within 2 days she was acting more normal. Meeting me in her stall to eat. Less spooky. Acting like she felt better. Then one of my other mares coliced after breakfast one morning. That was the FINAL straw. Ordered some bluebonnet feed. We have to drive 2 hrs to get it but its worth it. They have been on it a little over a week now. I am going to give it some time but I think it will be my feed of choice.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Jazz's Girl - 2015-10-23 9:43 AM I doubt it monensin. I know the lady that lost Bogo. I know her daughter and granddaughters. They take amazing care of their horses. Bogo I believe had been raised on the property. I am saying Quest did it. But thats my opinion. There have been to many others that have came forward with similar stories after deworming with Quest. on the feed note, I was feeding Safechoice Perform since May. In early september I started noticing alot of corn kernels in my feed. First bag I didnt think much about. But several bags, purchased from different TSC's and all had corn in them made me suspicious. About that time my semi retired mare started acting odd. Not anything drastic but after 13 years I know when she doesnt feel right. Something was off and I couldnt put my finger on it. Wouldnt come up to eat, I had to go catch her and bring her in. My husband found her laying down alot after eating. She was super reactive and spooky at EVERYTHING. I kept telling my husband that something wasnt right with her. The other 2 were normal. So I decided to perform an experiment. I took her off pellets and put her on just Chaff hay. Within 2 days she was acting more normal. Meeting me in her stall to eat. Less spooky. Acting like she felt better. Then one of my other mares coliced after breakfast one morning. That was the FINAL straw. Ordered some bluebonnet feed. We have to drive 2 hrs to get it but its worth it. They have been on it a little over a week now. I am going to give it some time but I think it will be my feed of choice. I am not 100% sure it was tainted feed but I feel in my gut it was. I need to get it tested. Just havent had it done yet.
The scary part of feed testing is that there will be spots in a bag that have more, some that have less, and some that won't have any. Many times the contaminants aren't "mixed" into the feed so much as it's picked up along the way through the system. There will be false negatives and the possibility of testing lower than the highest amount that was actually in the feed.
Every test that I had done on my feed showed Monensin present. In my opinion, if Monensin can get into your feed, then anything can get into your feed. The testing that has to be done to know for sure what's in it is tough. It has to be specific, so you have to kind of have an idea of what you might be looking for. |
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| Kind of a nerd, I like to know the why behind things.
Why is monensin toxic to horses and not cattle? |
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| oranges - 2015-10-23 9:29 AM
Kind of a nerd, I like to know the why behind things.
Why is monensin toxic to horses and not cattle?
Cattle are Ruminants, horses are not. |
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| Jazz's Girl - 2015-10-23 9:43 AM I doubt it monensin. I know the lady that lost Bogo. I know her daughter and granddaughters. They take amazing care of their horses. Bogo I believe had been raised on the property. I am saying Quest did it. But thats my opinion. There have been to many others that have came forward with similar stories after deworming with Quest. on the feed note, I was feeding Safechoice Perform since May. In early september I started noticing alot of corn kernels in my feed. First bag I didnt think much about. But several bags, purchased from different TSC's and all had corn in them made me suspicious. About that time my semi retired mare started acting odd. Not anything drastic but after 13 years I know when she doesnt feel right. Something was off and I couldnt put my finger on it. Wouldnt come up to eat, I had to go catch her and bring her in. My husband found her laying down alot after eating. She was super reactive and spooky at EVERYTHING. I kept telling my husband that something wasnt right with her. The other 2 were normal. So I decided to perform an experiment. I took her off pellets and put her on just Chaff hay. Within 2 days she was acting more normal. Meeting me in her stall to eat. Less spooky. Acting like she felt better. Then one of my other mares coliced after breakfast one morning. That was the FINAL straw. Ordered some bluebonnet feed. We have to drive 2 hrs to get it but its worth it. They have been on it a little over a week now. I am going to give it some time but I think it will be my feed of choice. I am not 100% sure it was tainted feed but I feel in my gut it was. I need to get it tested. Just havent had it done yet.
I was feeding SafeChoice Senior and took my horse off when I went on vacation because he's been a "pill" (spooky and over reactive to everything). I thought he just wasn't getting enough exercise. I knew he wasn't getting ridden while I was gone and didn't want him to get "higher" and have the barn guys have to deal with him. I came home and got sick so I didn't put him back on. Yesterday when I went to turn him out - he actually acted like he was happy to see me. Now I'm wondering if he was not feeling well because of the feed. He's generally not trusting becuase of abuse issues - but he's definately not going back on it.
Does Renew Gold fall on the list??
Gotta go look at the safe list. Maybe someone can repost it here.
Thanks!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Renew Gold is on the list of safe mills. I'd love to see the list pasted at the top of the forum for everyone to be able to go to immediately without having to do a search. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-10-23 11:07 AM
Jazz's Girl - 2015-10-23 9:43 AM I doubt it monensin. I know the lady that lost Bogo. I know her daughter and granddaughters. They take amazing care of their horses. Bogo I believe had been raised on the property. I am saying Quest did it. But thats my opinion. There have been to many others that have came forward with similar stories after deworming with Quest. on the feed note, I was feeding Safechoice Perform since May. In early september I started noticing alot of corn kernels in my feed. First bag I didnt think much about. But several bags, purchased from different TSC's and all had corn in them made me suspicious. About that time my semi retired mare started acting odd. Not anything drastic but after 13 years I know when she doesnt feel right. Something was off and I couldnt put my finger on it. Wouldnt come up to eat, I had to go catch her and bring her in. My husband found her laying down alot after eating. She was super reactive and spooky at EVERYTHING. I kept telling my husband that something wasnt right with her. The other 2 were normal. So I decided to perform an experiment. I took her off pellets and put her on just Chaff hay. Within 2 days she was acting more normal. Meeting me in her stall to eat. Less spooky. Acting like she felt better. Then one of my other mares coliced after breakfast one morning. That was the FINAL straw. Ordered some bluebonnet feed. We have to drive 2 hrs to get it but its worth it. They have been on it a little over a week now. I am going to give it some time but I think it will be my feed of choice. I am not 100% sure it was tainted feed but I feel in my gut it was. I need to get it tested. Just havent had it done yet.
The scary part of feed testing is that there will be spots in a bag that have more, some that have less, and some that won't have any. Many times the contaminants aren't "mixed" into the feed so much as it's picked up along the way through the system. There will be false negatives and the possibility of testing lower than the highest amount that was actually in the feed.
Every test that I had done on my feed showed Monensin present. In my opinion, if Monensin can get into your feed, then anything can get into your feed. The testing that has to be done to know for sure what's in it is tough. It has to be specific, so you have to kind of have an idea of what you might be looking for.
Where do you have feed tested for Monensin? |
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Location: Beggs, OK | quikchik - 2015-10-26 7:48 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-10-23 11:07 AM Jazz's Girl - 2015-10-23 9:43 AM I doubt it monensin. I know the lady that lost Bogo. I know her daughter and granddaughters. They take amazing care of their horses. Bogo I believe had been raised on the property. I am saying Quest did it. But thats my opinion. There have been to many others that have came forward with similar stories after deworming with Quest. on the feed note, I was feeding Safechoice Perform since May. In early september I started noticing alot of corn kernels in my feed. First bag I didnt think much about. But several bags, purchased from different TSC's and all had corn in them made me suspicious. About that time my semi retired mare started acting odd. Not anything drastic but after 13 years I know when she doesnt feel right. Something was off and I couldnt put my finger on it. Wouldnt come up to eat, I had to go catch her and bring her in. My husband found her laying down alot after eating. She was super reactive and spooky at EVERYTHING. I kept telling my husband that something wasnt right with her. The other 2 were normal. So I decided to perform an experiment. I took her off pellets and put her on just Chaff hay. Within 2 days she was acting more normal. Meeting me in her stall to eat. Less spooky. Acting like she felt better. Then one of my other mares coliced after breakfast one morning. That was the FINAL straw. Ordered some bluebonnet feed. We have to drive 2 hrs to get it but its worth it. They have been on it a little over a week now. I am going to give it some time but I think it will be my feed of choice. I am not 100% sure it was tainted feed but I feel in my gut it was. I need to get it tested. Just havent had it done yet. The scary part of feed testing is that there will be spots in a bag that have more, some that have less, and some that won't have any. Many times the contaminants aren't "mixed" into the feed so much as it's picked up along the way through the system. There will be false negatives and the possibility of testing lower than the highest amount that was actually in the feed.
Every test that I had done on my feed showed Monensin present. In my opinion, if Monensin can get into your feed, then anything can get into your feed. The testing that has to be done to know for sure what's in it is tough. It has to be specific, so you have to kind of have an idea of what you might be looking for. Where do you have feed tested for Monensin?
There are labs across the country. If you suspect feed contamination and have bags of feed that are still sealed you can contact your states department of agriculture and report it. They will come and sample feed from sealed bags and have it tested.
Oklahoma State University has a lab - OADDL that did testing on feed for me. Texas A&M and UC Davis are also good labs, OADDL will refer out testing to UC Davis as necessary. |
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Location: Deep South | run n rate - 2015-10-23 12:55 PM
Renew Gold is on the list of safe mills. I'd love to see the list pasted at the top of the forum for everyone to be able to go to immediately without having to do a search.
These companies either A) do not process medicated feed at all of B) process their medicated cattle feed in separate facilities from their horse feed.
Purina
Seminole
Renew Gold
Total Equine
Standlee Hay
Manna Pro
Blue Bonnett
Buckeye
Red River Feeds
Woody's Feeds
Tribute
Danco Forage
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Location: Beggs, OK | BamaCanChaser - 2015-10-26 10:18 AM run n rate - 2015-10-23 12:55 PM Renew Gold is on the list of safe mills. I'd love to see the list pasted at the top of the forum for everyone to be able to go to immediately without having to do a search. These companies either A ) do not process medicated feed at all of B ) process their medicated cattle feed in separate facilities from their horse feed. Purina Seminole Renew Gold Total Equine Standlee Hay Manna Pro Blue Bonnett Buckeye Red River Feeds Woody's Feeds Tribute
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Location: Deep South | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-26 10:33 AM
BamaCanChaser - 2015-10-26 10:18 AM run n rate - 2015-10-23 12:55 PM Renew Gold is on the list of safe mills. I'd love to see the list pasted at the top of the forum for everyone to be able to go to immediately without having to do a search. These companies either A ) do not process medicated feed at all of B ) process their medicated cattle feed in separate facilities from their horse feed. Purina Seminole Renew Gold Total Equine Standlee Hay Manna Pro Blue Bonnett Buckeye Red River Feeds Woody's Feeds Tribute
I don't know how I forgot to add them! THanks, I fixed it! :) |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I have a question: If a horse has the toxin in it's body that bad, is it beyond saving? Or could the system be "flushed" so to speak of the toxin and the horse be fine? Are the effects lasting?
I switched mine over from Processed feeds because I thought my gelding was Colicing, So did everyone else on this forum. My vet included. Looking back I see what a difference it has made in both my horses by switching up my feed program. I am just curious if there are lasting effects... |
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Location: Beggs, OK | There is no way to "flush" ionophores from a horse's system. The damage is done quickly and permanently. In larger doses you'll see skeletal muscle and heart damage or death. In small "non-lethal" doses you'll see liver trauma and a whole array of nondescript symptoms from digestive upsets to neurological issues. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-26 12:10 PM There is no way to "flush" ionophores from a horse's system. The damage is done quickly and permanently. In larger doses you'll see skeletal muscle and heart damage or death. In small "non-lethal" doses you'll see liver trauma and a whole array of nondescript symptoms from digestive upsets to neurological issues.
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| So my horse untied himself last night and got into a bag of calf starter that contains a low dose of monensin. He didn't get very much at all- it was a brand new bag and you could hardly tell any was gone... If I hadn't seen him standing there chewing I would have never known (and I stuck my hand in his mouth and pulled out everything I could). I syringed 120cc's of mineral oil into him, and have started him on Silver Lining Herbs Kidney Support, as well as a product called UTI cleanse. I called my vet the second I saw he'd gotten into it and she said we could flush his stomach but if he'd only eaten a few handfuls it probably wouldn't bring much up. She suggested flushing him with mineral oil and keeping a close eye on him.
Is there anything else I can/should do? He is acting a bit lazy today (but I worked him pretty hard yesterday), still has an appetite and isn't colicky or anything so I'm not sure if I should be super concerned or not... But he's my baby so of course I'm pretty stressed over it! |
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| I was feeding Blue Bonnet Sr Intensify. My mare went off her feed. Would not eat. I talked to J Berry on here because I was treating her for ulcers,as I thought that was what it was. I changed to Renew Gold. She started eating it immediately. So I believe it was something to do with the feed. I called Blue Bonnet and the only answer I got was that they had not had any issues with that feed. |
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| readytorodeo - 2016-03-07 5:36 AMI was feeding Blue Bonnet Sr Intensify. My mare went off her feed. Would not eat. I talked to J Berry on here because I was treating her for ulcers,as I thought that was what it was. I changed to Renew Gold. She started eating it immediately. So I believe it was something to do with the feed. I called Blue Bonnet and the only answer I got was that they had not had any issues with that feed. Bluebonnett feed doesn't make any medicated feed. It is one on the list as the few companies that don't. They even describe it on their website. If the feed made your horse sick, it would not be due to medicated feeds since they aren't manufactured there. I assume it is Bluebonnet from Ardmore, OK.....unless there is another Bluebonnet feed from somewhere else. Ardmore Bluebonnet has no medicated feed from what I've read.
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Location: N Texas | Murphy - 2015-10-22 8:31 AM
I'm very glad I am a part of this group and became aware of the issues. If not, I may be feeding the same stuff I did a year ago that cause a lot of issues.
Ditto. I was feeding ADM feeds and still would be to this day if I hadn't seen the story on here and learned so much. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | bumping this up...I think SKM had collected a list of them and posted it on another post concerning feed safe mills. Let me see if I can find it.
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Monensin toxcicity video