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Location: who knows? | Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter.
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Location: Kansas | nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 12:48 PM Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter.
If it was posted on facebook, then it's for the public to see. |
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edited to add...yo will usually need credentials to view Federal verdicts...however most county/state documents can be viewed by anyone anytime...
BTW Angel Wings, if you would like to see all documents pertaining to this case which have been filed, go to the courts website for the venue and look up the civil action number. You should be able to view everything, including the Complaint, the answers, ect...
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Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter.
So are you stirring the pot?!?!?!!?! LOL |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 12:54 PM
I apologize for stirring the pot or potty. I am interested in equine law and will be using this particular case in the future and will be attending law school based upon my previous LSAT, am retaking only to improve my chances at scholarship.
This statement got me to reminiscing.....a trip down memory lane. Reminded me of a hilarious scene in "Animal House":
Boon: Watch it....they're serious this time!
Otter: Take it easy, I'm pre-law.
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I apologize for stirring the pot or potty. I am interested in equine law and will be using this particular case in the future and will be attending law school based upon my previous LSAT, am retaking only to improve my chances at scholarship.
Looks to me like a simple contract dispute.
Offer and Acceptance/Rejection, Terms, Mutual Understanding (which is usually where disputes occur) and did both parties comply, Breach, Excuse, etc. You'll learn all of this in your contracts course and there will be plenty of cases to look at. |
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Location: who knows? | lhighquality - 2015-10-29 12:11 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 12:48 PM Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter. So are you stirring the pot?!?!?!!?! LOL
No I'm not are you!!!!!!!! How would I be stirring the pot??? Maybe you are!!!! Civil court documents are not open to the public, you have to go through proceedures to get it. Not just go to the court and ask for it. |
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Location: Kansas | nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 2:53 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-29 12:11 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 12:48 PM Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter. So are you stirring the pot?!?!?!!?! LOL
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 2:53 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-29 12:11 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 12:48 PM Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter. So are you stirring the pot?!?!?!!?! LOL
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Location: Beggs, OK | nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 2:53 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-29 12:11 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 12:48 PM Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter. So are you stirring the pot?!?!?!!?! LOL
You can get online and get MANY civil court documents, as they are public record. It just depends on whether that particular court reports them. |
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| Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 12:54 PM
I apologize for stirring the pot or potty. I am interested in equine law and will be using this particular case in the future and will be attending law school based upon my previous LSAT, am retaking only to improve my chances at scholarship.
Congratulations and best of luck in your further education. Let us know your thoughts on the case when you get the documents. I don't think you're stirring the pot at all. Reviewing sworn documents is not even close to gossip. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-28 3:00 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 2:53 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-29 12:11 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 12:48 PM Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter. So are you stirring the pot?!?!?!!?! LOL
LOL! I feel inclined to give a lesson in true pot stirring. |
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| TXBO - 2015-10-28 3:28 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-28 3:00 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 2:53 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-29 12:11 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 12:48 PM Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter. So are you stirring the pot?!?!?!!?! LOL
Wasn't it on Facebook though? So, however it was "got", its out there now. |
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| TXBO - 2015-10-28 3:24 PM Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 12:54 PM I apologize for stirring the pot or potty. I am interested in equine law and will be using this particular case in the future and will be attending law school based upon my previous LSAT, am retaking only to improve my chances at scholarship. Congratulations and best of luck in your further education. Let us know your thoughts on the case when you get the documents. I don't think you're stirring the pot at all. Reviewing sworn documents is not even close to gossip.
Thank you, I started at FB looking for answers but when I asked questions I was received unfair backlash. Looking for the judgement and the comments of the judgement and that is all. I appreicate that you are not slamming me. |
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| Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 3:45 PM TXBO - 2015-10-28 3:24 PM Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 12:54 PM I apologize for stirring the pot or potty. I am interested in equine law and will be using this particular case in the future and will be attending law school based upon my previous LSAT, am retaking only to improve my chances at scholarship. Congratulations and best of luck in your further education. Let us know your thoughts on the case when you get the documents. I don't think you're stirring the pot at all. Reviewing sworn documents is not even close to gossip.
Dont you know you cant ask questions on here???? You might say..."how was everyone's day?"...and someone is going to jump on you....because you are discriminating against the people who live in China as its nighttime there. You little pot stirrer You...
Dont ask questions unless its about contaminated feed, video critiques, breeding a horse, or horse rescue. JUST DONNNNT haha
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| Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 3:45 PM TXBO - 2015-10-28 3:24 PM Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 12:54 PM I apologize for stirring the pot or potty. I am interested in equine law and will be using this particular case in the future and will be attending law school based upon my previous LSAT, am retaking only to improve my chances at scholarship. Congratulations and best of luck in your further education. Let us know your thoughts on the case when you get the documents. I don't think you're stirring the pot at all. Reviewing sworn documents is not even close to gossip.
I wish more kids today would take your approach and actually read sworn documents to form their opinions. Today everyone reads the first article that Google pulls up and considers that their fact checking.
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Location: The edge of no where | TXBO - 2015-10-28 3:28 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-28 3:00 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 2:53 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-29 12:11 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 12:48 PM Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter. So are you stirring the pot?!?!?!!?! LOL
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | MOTIVATED - 2015-10-28 3:52 PM Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 3:45 PM TXBO - 2015-10-28 3:24 PM Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 12:54 PM I apologize for stirring the pot or potty. I am interested in equine law and will be using this particular case in the future and will be attending law school based upon my previous LSAT, am retaking only to improve my chances at scholarship. Congratulations and best of luck in your further education. Let us know your thoughts on the case when you get the documents. I don't think you're stirring the pot at all. Reviewing sworn documents is not even close to gossip.
Dont ask questions unless its about contaminated feed, video critiques, breeding a horse, or horse rescue. JUST DONNNNT haha
kidding kidding kidding
LOL People are going to start jumping each other more now that it's getting colder. It always happens. I'm always over here like *pops popcorn* *puts on fuzzy slippers* *opens up BHW*  
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TXBO - 2015-10-28 3:53 PM Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 3:45 PM TXBO - 2015-10-28 3:24 PM Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 12:54 PM I apologize for stirring the pot or potty. I am interested in equine law and will be using this particular case in the future and will be attending law school based upon my previous LSAT, am retaking only to improve my chances at scholarship. Congratulations and best of luck in your further education. Let us know your thoughts on the case when you get the documents. I don't think you're stirring the pot at all. Reviewing sworn documents is not even close to gossip.
I wish more kids today would take your approach and actually read sworn documents to form their opinions. Today everyone reads the first article that Google pulls up and considers that their fact checking.
The way you break yourself of that is to google something you know a lot about and see how much BS pops up on the first page. |
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hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-28 3:00 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 2:53 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-29 12:11 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 12:48 PM Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter. So are you stirring the pot?!?!?!!?! LOL
Psstt.... Need some help?? It's always easier with 2 or 3. I'm sure we can talk Norma into a 3-some.. |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 10:04 AM If you have a copy of the judges decision from the ruling of Jacobs vs Loflin please I would like to see it. Thank you. This is not a bash post. I just want to see for myself how the judge ruled as I studying for my LSATS.
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Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 3:45 PM TXBO - 2015-10-28 3:24 PM Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 12:54 PM I apologize for stirring the pot or potty. I am interested in equine law and will be using this particular case in the future and will be attending law school based upon my previous LSAT, am retaking only to improve my chances at scholarship. Congratulations and best of luck in your further education. Let us know your thoughts on the case when you get the documents. I don't think you're stirring the pot at all. Reviewing sworn documents is not even close to gossip.
I wish more kids today would take your approach and actually read sworn documents to form their opinions. Today everyone reads the first article that Google pulls up and considers that their fact checking.
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one....I don't like to be pompous, but I can't believe most people don't know that court papers are often public knowledge. Most news outlets no longer do what they're supposed to do anymore (you know, REPORT NEWS), which often leads to incorrect information being spread around.
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| CrossCreek - 2015-10-28 4:17 PM Angel Wings - 2015-10-28 10:04 AM If you have a copy of the judges decision from the ruling of Jacobs vs Loflin please I would like to see it. Thank you. This is not a bash post. I just want to see for myself how the judge ruled as I studying for my LSATS. So...somebody wanna tell me what's going on with this?
Their was a dispute over the ownership of Movin between Christy Loflin and another party. The courts have ruled that the other party is the sole legal owner of Movin. |
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Location: Bennett, CO | crossspur - 2015-10-28 4:07 PM You are all more than welcome to discuss the case. As long as the thread stays on topic & civil there is no problem
Yup! What she said! We are not censoring or banning this topic... Just trying to keep it clean. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | gotothewhip - 2015-10-28 5:18 PM
crossspur - 2015-10-28 4:07 PM You are all more than welcome to discuss the case. As long as the thread stays on topic & civil there is no problem
Yup! What she said! We are not censoring or banning this topic... Just trying to keep it clean.
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Can't we talk about Bubba?
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Location: Florida.. | komet. - 2015-10-28 6:33 PM gotothewhip - 2015-10-28 5:18 PM crossspur - 2015-10-28 4:07 PM You are all more than welcome to discuss the case. As long as the thread stays on topic & civil there is no problem Yup! What she said! We are not censoring or banning this topic... Just trying to keep it clean. But it's no fun stirring a clean pot....
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TXBO - 2015-10-28 3:28 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-28 3:00 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 2:53 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-29 12:11 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 12:48 PM Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter. So are you stirring the pot?!?!?!!?! LOL
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bibliafarm - 2015-10-28 5:40 PM komet. - 2015-10-28 6:33 PM gotothewhip - 2015-10-28 5:18 PM crossspur - 2015-10-28 4:07 PM You are all more than welcome to discuss the case. As long as the thread stays on topic & civil there is no problem Yup! What she said! We are not censoring or banning this topic... Just trying to keep it clean. But it's no fun stirring a clean pot....
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| ranchers wife - 2015-10-28 5:58 PM MS2011 - 2015-10-28 3:55 PM TXBO - 2015-10-28 3:28 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-28 3:00 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 2:53 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-29 12:11 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 12:48 PM Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter. So are you stirring the pot?!?!?!!?! LOL Just an FYI Civil court documents are public and anyone can request them. You just have to contact the Court to request them and pay a copy fee. And I know this because I work for the Court.
It's not quite that simple. All jurisdictions aren't equal in sealing documents. Some will seal with little scrutiny. Other wont. |
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MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc.
There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available.
I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court.
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OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL
MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc.
There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available.
I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court.
yes, some documents are confidential. Similar to a child support motion, they have certain documents (usually related to assetts/income) that are not available to the public. |
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| nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court.
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nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court.
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Location: The edge of no where | nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K
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nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court.
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Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM
nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court.
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nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM
Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM
nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court.
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| ranchers wife - 2015-10-28 5:58 PM MS2011 - 2015-10-28 3:55 PM TXBO - 2015-10-28 3:28 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-10-28 3:00 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 2:53 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-29 12:11 PM nvrenuf - 2015-10-28 12:48 PM Pretty sure if your not the brand inspector or the indiviual this is addressed to or the parties involved, you did not obtain this legally. You would need a gramma request to get this legally where it is a civil matter. So are you stirring the pot?!?!?!!?! LOL Just an FYI Civil court documents are public and anyone can request them. You just have to contact the Court to request them and pay a copy fee. And I know this because I work for the Court.
 Get of this post ^^^^^ you, who knows what they heck you are talking about, there is no way to stir the pot when people like YOU who get on the posts with facts. PSH.... |
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| miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for.
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Location: Cap'n Lindsey Rotmeat | miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for.
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Location: Buffalo, TX | I guess I live under a rock...I always thought it was her horse....so I guess she was riding her for someone else or leasing her?...in any case, does this mean they will take the mare away from her?...if so, I think that's sad...she rides her good and has to have a bond with her.... |
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| I think that many of the 'top' competitors ride horses owned by other people. Since the true owners never seem to get mentioned, most people assume the person doing the riding is the owner. I think that is a crying shame that these owners don't get more mention when these people are winning on their horses, and especially the owners that are paying some of the tab going down the road.
I don't have a problem with it, just wish some of the credit could spill over to the people in the background.
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| He has been listed as owner for a bit now. Riding someone else's horse will never last forever. Doesn't make sense when one thinks it will even with a verbal contract that it will. People and circumstances change all the time. I feel bad for her loss, but I can't imagine one thinking it would never end.
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| miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM
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Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM
nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court.
$700K
Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for.
One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it.
As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess.
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Location: Missouri | The futurity horse owners always get mentioned and almost always have an outside rider. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM
miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM
nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM
Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM
nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court.
$700K
Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for.
One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it.
As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess.
So, this is beginning to sound like a familiar MO. |
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| I tried plugging in the case # and stuff listed by one of the other posters on here- I cant find anything. I must be doing something wrong.. :(
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| nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for. One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess.
It will be interesting to see the courts reaction to that claim. If I were Mr. J., I would argue that her winnings were more that equitable renumeration for the "training". |
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| TXBO - 2015-10-29 3:04 PM
nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for. One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess.
Plus she got the D
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Location: Sperry, OK | arion - 2015-10-29 3:11 PM TXBO - 2015-10-29 3:04 PM nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for. One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess. Plus she got the D
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Location: That part of Texas | nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for. One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess.
It probably will take a few days before the final order or judgment is approved by both parties (with them hammering out language details) and getting the judge's approval before it's officially signed and filed with the clerk. I know if I were drafting this one, I'd want to look it over a bit and make sure things read right before sending it to the other side for their consideration. There's also the possibility (at least in theory) that one side might wish to appeal a portion of the ruling itself so it's not a guaranteed end to it all. |
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| TXBO - 2015-10-29 3:04 PM
nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for. One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess.
The judge did not rule on that. My understanding is all of that was hashed out in the settlement meeting before they actually went to court. The judge issued a bench ruling on motion by Mr J for immediate ownership and possession of Movin. The rest of the mess was settled pre-court via negotiation between parties and their attorneys.
There were actually 5 horses named in the suit. As far as I know, there was no exchange of cash.
She did get to keep 2 mares, the foals she posted pics of, and a pretty nice horse named "Flashy French Kirk". |
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| nousername - 2015-10-29 3:38 PM TXBO - 2015-10-29 3:04 PM nousername - 2015-10-29 2:31 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-10-29 11:28 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 9:34 AM Whiteboy - 2015-10-29 9:05 AM nousername - 2015-10-29 12:18 AM OK, so I hope this one doesn't get the thread deleted LOL MOST, a big portion of, the court documents have been available and part of public record, including the alleged current appraised value. various motions, the basis of the suit etc. There are some that have been marked confidential that are not available. I do not believe the court has the formal ruling/paper entered yet. There were other parts of the case that were settled before they actually went to court. $700K Wow that is crazy! Makes you wonder what horses that have won more, such as stingray, would appraise for. One of the motions filed was that, if Mr. J was found to be the owner, he owed her a considerable amount for the increase in value of the horse--for "training". SO-she had an appraisal done--so that could make a difference I bet on that dollar amount. A horse is worth what someone will pay for it. As far as publishing the publicly available documents--there are TONS--way too much. I am not sure the written judges decision is available yet--usually takes a week or so to get them up, historically. I'm not sure how much of the out of court settlement documentation will be available to the public--will know in a week or two I guess. The judge did not rule on that. My understanding is all of that was hashed out in the settlement meeting before they actually went to court. The judge issued a bench ruling on motion by Mr J for immediate ownership and possession of Movin. The rest of the mess was settled pre-court via negotiation between parties and their attorneys. There were actually 5 horses named in the suit. As far as I know, there was no exchange of cash. She did get to keep 2 mares, the foals she posted pics of, and a pretty nice horse named "Flashy French Kirk".
I hear the argument, "the horse is worth more because I rode it", all the time. What the courts think about that argument in different senarios would be interesting to read. |
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| Cindy Hamilton - 2015-10-29 1:34 PM I guess I live under a rock...I always thought it was her horse....so I guess she was riding her for someone else or leasing her?...in any case, does this mean they will take the mare away from her?...if so, I think that's sad...she rides her good and has to have a bond with her.... |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | Easy Rider - 2015-10-29 4:25 PM
Cindy Hamilton - 2015-10-29 1:34 PM I guess I live under a rock...I always thought it was her horse....so I guess she was riding her for someone else or leasing her?...in any case, does this mean they will take the mare away from her?...if so, I think that's sad...she rides her good and has to have a bond with her.... Lol yeah you have been living under a rock and now that you are out... Google......
Hey...I'm not that out of touch...I did know about the other Texas mix up...LOL |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | MO gal - 2015-10-29 11:44 AM
I think that many of the 'top' competitors ride horses owned by other people. Since the true owners never seem to get mentioned, most people assume the person doing the riding is the owner. I think that is a crying shame that these owners don't get more mention when these people are winning on their horses, and especially the owners that are paying some of the tab going down the road.
I don't have a problem with it, just wish some of the credit could spill over to the people in the background.
Yeah! I've noticed that even the calf horses get a mention if they are owned by someone else. But then again CBS has an analyst who is more in the loop. (no pun intended) |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | I wonder what one of the TV judges would have said. |
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| barrelracer1983 - 2015-10-29 5:06 PM
I wonder what one of the TV judges would have said.
Bahahaha!!! Judge Judy might have gone to town on BOTH of them!!  |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? |
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| Big D meaning Divorce?
I was surprised when I read in an earlier post there was court pending, I wondered why she wasn't in the tops at alot of rodeos this summer.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Serious question....is it possible that a judge could order the horse be put up for auction? |
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| Bear - 2015-10-29 5:59 PM Serious question....is it possible that a judge could order the horse be put up for auction?
Good thing King Solomon isn't on the bench. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | TXBO - 2015-10-29 6:01 PM
Bear - 2015-10-29 5:59 PM Serious question....is it possible that a judge could order the horse be put up for auction?
Good thing King Solomon isn't on the bench.
That's hilarious, because I JUST thought of that. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Good thing he wasn't on the bench during the Latte' debacle.
I bet Bubba is handing out advice.
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| Bear - 2015-10-29 6:02 PM Good thing he wasn't on the bench during the Latte' debacle.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse?
Do horses count as personal property? |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property?
Not that I know of .... even if they are part of a personal business, you don't pay taxes on every asset of the business ... You don't pay taxes on every cow, only what she produces IF you sell it. If you don't sell it, no income so no taxes. That's my understanding. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 6:20 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property?
I guess it depends on the state. I worked for a dairy farmer that moved out of California because they taxed him quarterly on everything. The cows, grain bins, grain IN the bins, home, barn, ect..ect |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2015-10-29 6:30 PM lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 6:20 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property? I guess it depends on the state. I worked for a dairy farmer that moved out of California because they taxed him quarterly on everything. The cows, grain bins, grain IN the bins, home, barn, ect..ect
Livestock DOES get taxed in many states as a yearly "personal property tax"....Arkansas & MIssouri are two that I do know that tax them, along with trailers, tractors, etc.....but on the other hand property tax is really low. |
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| lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 7:20 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property?
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | NJJ - 2015-10-29 7:10 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 6:30 PM lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 6:20 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property? I guess it depends on the state. I worked for a dairy farmer that moved out of California because they taxed him quarterly on everything. The cows, grain bins, grain IN the bins, home, barn, ect..ect
Arkansas? Really? Huh. Never heard that.  |
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Location: The South | Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 9:03 PM NJJ - 2015-10-29 7:10 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 6:30 PM lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 6:20 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property? I guess it depends on the state. I worked for a dairy farmer that moved out of California because they taxed him quarterly on everything. The cows, grain bins, grain IN the bins, home, barn, ect..ect
I think we pay $25 a horse on ours. I'm always a smart *** and say I'm going to leave off a horse and see if they drive around counting horses in people's pastures |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 9:03 PM NJJ - 2015-10-29 7:10 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 6:30 PM lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 6:20 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property? I guess it depends on the state. I worked for a dairy farmer that moved out of California because they taxed him quarterly on everything. The cows, grain bins, grain IN the bins, home, barn, ect..ect
Google is never wrong. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | LindsayJordan84 - 2015-10-29 9:19 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 9:03 PM NJJ - 2015-10-29 7:10 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 6:30 PM lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 6:20 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property? I guess it depends on the state. I worked for a dairy farmer that moved out of California because they taxed him quarterly on everything. The cows, grain bins, grain IN the bins, home, barn, ect..ect
I can confidently say they don't drive around counting horses...at least not where I live. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TXBO - 2015-10-29 9:21 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 9:03 PM NJJ - 2015-10-29 7:10 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 6:30 PM lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 6:20 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property? I guess it depends on the state. I worked for a dairy farmer that moved out of California because they taxed him quarterly on everything. The cows, grain bins, grain IN the bins, home, barn, ect..ect
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | TXBO - 2015-10-29 9:21 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 9:03 PM NJJ - 2015-10-29 7:10 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 6:30 PM lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 6:20 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property? I guess it depends on the state. I worked for a dairy farmer that moved out of California because they taxed him quarterly on everything. The cows, grain bins, grain IN the bins, home, barn, ect..ect
Didn't have to "google"....I live in Arkansas and YES, they (and cattle) are taxed as personal property.....IF you declare them.....LOL |
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| If they are not in agreement, I would expect the owner to argue that appraisal figure. That is a nice mare but 700,000? Regardless, my heart breaks for Christy knowing she made that mare what she is. I guess she was lucky to get to ride her so many years but this is why I would never want to be competing at that level on a horse I do not own. |
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| 3 To Go - 2015-10-30 12:17 PM
oranges - 2015-10-29 3:56 PM
Big D meaning Divorce?
I was surprised when I read in an earlier post there was court pending, I wondered why she wasn't in the tops at alot of rodeos this summer.
Ummm.... no. I would suggest searching it on Urban Dictionary. It will have the definition.
from the Urban Dictionary defenition
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Big+DBig D
1) Dallas, Texas
2) divorce
I'm goin' through the Big D and I don't mean Dallas.
-- Mark Chesnutt, "Goin' Through the Big D"
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Location: The edge of no where | quickdraw - 2015-10-30 1:22 PM If they are not in agreement, I would expect the owner to argue that appraisal figure. That is a nice mare but 700,000? Regardless, my heart breaks for Christy knowing she made that mare what she is. I guess she was lucky to get to ride her so many years but this is why I would never want to be competing at that level on a horse I do not own.
You do know there's this guy - Ryan Lovendahl - that was also very successful on the mare prior to anyone else running her? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | quickdraw - 2015-10-30 1:22 PM If they are not in agreement, I would expect the owner to argue that appraisal figure. That is a nice mare but 700,000? Regardless, my heart breaks for Christy knowing she made that mare what she is. I guess she was lucky to get to ride her so many years but this is why I would never want to be competing at that level on a horse I do not own.
Ryan Lovendahl futuritied Movin and won a ton on her! She was very successful way before Christy got to swing a leg over her. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | oranges - 2015-10-30 1:28 PM 3 To Go - 2015-10-30 12:17 PM oranges - 2015-10-29 3:56 PM Big D meaning Divorce? I was surprised when I read in an earlier post there was court pending, I wondered why she wasn't in the tops at alot of rodeos this summer. Ummm.... no. I would suggest searching it on Urban Dictionary. It will have the definition. from the Urban Dictionary defenition http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Big+DBig D 1 ) Dallas, Texas 2 ) divorce I'm goin' through the Big D and I don't mean Dallas. -- Mark Chesnutt, "Goin' Through the Big D" Ok I was wrong though, says she got the D not Big D, so what does that mean
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BHW Resident Surgeon
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'm sure there are experts...."specialists", if you will, who know how to compel a judge to rule in favor of putting a horse up for auction to settle this kind of dispute. If a person just happened to be close friends with these like-minded, experienced, experts, this approach is being considered.
Of course, getting someone to buy a horse for a ridiculous sum of money is the hard part, and then you have to be able to offer something in return for turning that horse over to you. One must be skilled in this ancient art.
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| I agree I think she is priced right compared to what Kellie's Chick just sold for.... |
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| Bear - 2015-10-29 5:59 PM
Serious question....is it possible that a judge could order the horse be put up for auction?
My understanding is no, the sole legal ownership is Mr. J's. There was never a contract, paper, written agreement etc. to contest---
She wanted to claim it had been given as a gift (The horse was already six figures when they bought her after Ryan Lovendahl futuried her).
I'm sure if there were 5 different people doing an appraisal, you'd get 5 different figures/opinions. |
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| lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-30 1:52 PM
NJJ - 2015-10-30 2:15 PM oranges - 2015-10-30 1:28 PM 3 To Go - 2015-10-30 12:17 PM oranges - 2015-10-29 3:56 PM Big D meaning Divorce? I was surprised when I read in an earlier post there was court pending, I wondered why she wasn't in the tops at alot of rodeos this summer. Ummm.... no. I would suggest searching it on Urban Dictionary. It will have the definition. from the Urban Dictionary defenition http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Big+DBig D 1 ) Dallas, Texas 2 ) divorce I'm goin' through the Big D and I don't mean Dallas. -- Mark Chesnutt, "Goin' Through the Big D" Ok I was wrong though, says she got the D not Big D, so what does that mean
I'm so slow........
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| oranges - 2015-10-30 3:01 PM lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-30 1:52 PM NJJ - 2015-10-30 2:15 PM oranges - 2015-10-30 1:28 PM 3 To Go - 2015-10-30 12:17 PM oranges - 2015-10-29 3:56 PM Big D meaning Divorce? I was surprised when I read in an earlier post there was court pending, I wondered why she wasn't in the tops at alot of rodeos this summer. Ummm.... no. I would suggest searching it on Urban Dictionary. It will have the definition. from the Urban Dictionary defenition http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Big+DBig D 1 ) Dallas, Texas 2 ) divorce I'm goin' through the Big D and I don't mean Dallas. -- Mark Chesnutt, "Goin' Through the Big D" Ok I was wrong though, says she got the D not Big D, so what does that mean I'm so slow........
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Location: Missouri | Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 9:27 PM
LindsayJordan84 - 2015-10-29 9:19 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 9:03 PM NJJ - 2015-10-29 7:10 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 6:30 PM lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 6:20 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property? I guess it depends on the state. I worked for a dairy farmer that moved out of California because they taxed him quarterly on everything. The cows, grain bins, grain IN the bins, home, barn, ect..ect
They drive around here regularly and take photos. Although, I think more to monitor property improvements than livestock.
The first year I filed I listed everything, but noticed in the years since, the animals and old tractor are no longer listed. I'm not sure why and I didn't ask... |
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Location: In my own little world | lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 5:20 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property?
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Location: Northeast SD | freddymac - 2015-10-30 2:18 PM
I agree I think she is priced right compared to what Kellie's Chick just sold for....
I somehow missed that and was wondering what you would price a horse of that caliber. what was it? |
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Location: Red Raiderland | just4fun - 2015-10-30 3:29 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 9:27 PM LindsayJordan84 - 2015-10-29 9:19 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 9:03 PM NJJ - 2015-10-29 7:10 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 6:30 PM lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 6:20 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-29 6:07 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 5:55 PM Would someone have to pay Personal Property Taxes every year on a 70k horse? Do horses count as personal property? I guess it depends on the state. I worked for a dairy farmer that moved out of California because they taxed him quarterly on everything. The cows, grain bins, grain IN the bins, home, barn, ect..ect They drive around here regularly and take photos. Although, I think more to monitor property improvements than livestock. The first year I filed I listed everything, but noticed in the years since, the animals and old tractor are no longer listed. I'm not sure why and I didn't ask...
I'm quite sure municipalities are making great use of Google Earth but ****ed if they can't find the funds to fix our roads!!!  |
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Location: SE Louisiana | I don't know where most of you people live..... But where I come from, the Tax A$$(hole)essor can walk over your property whenever he/she wants to. Just another loophole to allow them to get around a Search Warrant...
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-10-30 1:53 PM
quickdraw - 2015-10-30 1:22 PM If they are not in agreement, I would expect the owner to argue that appraisal figure. That is a nice mare but 700,000? Regardless, my heart breaks for Christy knowing she made that mare what she is. I guess she was lucky to get to ride her so many years but this is why I would never want to be competing at that level on a horse I do not own.
Ryan Lovendahl futuritied Movin and won a ton on her! She was very successful way before Christy got to swing a leg over her.
Oops. My mistake. I didn't realize that.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Did Christy flush any embryos out of Movin? I thought she had, just wondering who those babies will belong to. |
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| Have a friend that was there. Some of the speculation and bad info on this thread is laughable. But continue on. It's great as far as the entertainment goes.
Just an FYI for those that are interested, Skye and Andrea did end up winning the average at Mt States Circuit Finals last weekend. |
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Location: Midwest | if you know things posted here to be false, would you favor us with the truth? The truth is preferable to rumors and gossip. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 7:30 AM
if you know things posted here to be false, would you favor us with the truth? The truth is preferable to rumors and gossip.
Why? So the group of hyena's that frequent these types of threads can come and try to rip my throat out like they usually do? No thanks. The OP asked for documents and I don't have any so my info could be argued as not being factual.
I'm sure the real facts will eventually come out without my help. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 8:30 AM
if you know things posted here to be false, would you favor us with the truth? The truth is preferable to rumors and gossip.
I'm guess that who ever SKM is must be some kind of hooked up with high powered friends and what not.
If she's in the know, <<<<<<<<<< if you know what I mean.
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Location: Midwest | SKM - 2015-10-31 8:47 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 7:30 AM if you know things posted here to be false, would you favor us with the truth? The truth is preferable to rumors and gossip. Why? So the group of hyena's that frequent these types of threads can come and try to rip my throat out like they usually do? No thanks. The OP asked for documents and I don't have any so my info could be argued as not being factual. I'm sure the real facts will eventually come out without my help.
Can't blame me for asking. Like anywhere on the Internet, folks are gossiping like crazy about this. I think most take what they read with a grain of salt.
Im sorry that you feel there would be backlash for saying something posted here is not true. That's a shame.
"If it can be destroyed by the truth it deserves to be destroyed by the truth" -Carl Sagan
One of my favorite quotes. I agree that eventually the truth will come out. It always does. I do think it is natural for people to be curious about the legal circumstances and the destination of this great mare. There is a lot that can be learned from this situation. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 8:12 AM
SKM - 2015-10-31 8:47 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 7:30 AM if you know things posted here to be false, would you favor us with the truth? The truth is preferable to rumors and gossip. Why? So the group of hyena's that frequent these types of threads can come and try to rip my throat out like they usually do? No thanks. The OP asked for documents and I don't have any so my info could be argued as not being factual. I'm sure the real facts will eventually come out without my help.
Im sorry that you feel there would be backlash for saying something posted here is not true. That's a shame.
"If it can be destroyed by the truth it deserves to be destroyed by the truth" -Carl Sagan
One of my favorite quotes. I agree that eventually the truth will come out. It always does. I do think it is natural for people to be curious about the legal circumstances and the destination of this great mare. There is a lot that can be learned from this situation.
I wasn't blaming you for asking and I can certainly understand people being interested in what's going on. But if what I was told isn't in the court documents for the public, then I don't feel it's my place to fill in the blanks. I already know what would happen next. Someone wouldn't be able to find it with Google so they'd just come back with my facts not being able to be justified....blah, blah, blah. The next thing you know I'm in the middle of the feeding frenzy as the main course. Like I said...I think I'll pass on that. |
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| arion - 2015-10-31 8:09 AM
barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 8:30 AM
if you know things posted here to be false, would you favor us with the truth? The truth is preferable to rumors and gossip.
I'm guess that who ever SKM is must be some kind of hooked up with high powered friends and what not.
If she's in the know, <<<<<<<<<< if you know what I mean.
Rick/Jordan (whatever one of you has this login), you know exactly who I am. If not, I'm sure you can run back to the Fallout Shelter and ask Norma.
I'm not sure I appreciate your implied innuendo. I happen to live in the same state that this mess is being tried in. The barrel racing world is small here. Of course everyone knows what's going on. I knew it was about to become an issue back in June/July. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | SKM - 2015-10-31 9:36 AM arion - 2015-10-31 8:09 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 8:30 AM if you know things posted here to be false, would you favor us with the truth? The truth is preferable to rumors and gossip. I'm guess that who ever SKM is must be some kind of hooked up with high powered friends and what not. If she's in the know, <<<<<<<<<< if you know what I mean. Rick/Jordan (whatever one of you has this login ), you know exactly who I am . If not, I'm sure you can run back to the Fallout Shelter and ask Norma. I'm not sure I appreciate your implied innuendo. I happen to live in the same state that this mess is being tried in. The barrel racing world is small here. Of course everyone knows what's going on. I knew it was about to become an issue back in June/July.
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| Although I would love to know the facts, I understand why SKM is not going to spill the beans. I have watched certain people rip her to shreds for telling the facts/truth on this site. One time for sure it was just simply letting us know what was happening at a big rodeo that she was watching. I love BHW for all I learned - feeding, training and horse care- but we sure can eat our own at the drop of a hat. I know she doesn't need me to stick up for her, but it's my way of thanking her for her insightful and educational posts. There are several ladies on here that I really respect for their knowledge and willingness to share that knowledge and SKM is one of those. |
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Location: Midwest | No worries, I wasn't upset. Just curious!
I do look forward to see Movin running again. I'm sure it won't be long. She's a fabulous mare. |
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Location: Wyoming | I wonder how many people have approached Mr. Jacobs wanting to buy Movin? I know that if I had the money and wanted to make the NFR, she's the one I would want. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | perfectturns - 2015-10-31 10:24 AM
I wonder how many people have approached Mr. Jacobs wanting to buy Movin? I know that if I had the money and wanted to make the NFR, she's the one I would want.
I was told last night that Movin was already sold. I posted it a couple times, but it was erased. I guess that means only absolute verifiable facts are now allowed. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | NJJ - 2015-10-31 10:46 AM SKM - 2015-10-31 9:36 AM arion - 2015-10-31 8:09 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 8:30 AM if you know things posted here to be false, would you favor us with the truth? The truth is preferable to rumors and gossip. I'm guess that who ever SKM is must be some kind of hooked up with high powered friends and what not. If she's in the know, <<<<<<<<<< if you know what I mean. Rick/Jordan (whatever one of you has this login ), you know exactly who I am. If not, I'm sure you can run back to the Fallout Shelter and ask Norma. I'm not sure I appreciate your implied innuendo. I happen to live in the same state that this mess is being tried in. The barrel racing world is small here. Of course everyone knows what's going on. I knew it was about to become an issue back in June/July.
touch a nerve norma??? lol tell us how you really feel..... o wait... you always do  |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | luluwhit - 2015-10-31 10:31 AM NJJ - 2015-10-31 10:46 AM SKM - 2015-10-31 9:36 AM arion - 2015-10-31 8:09 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 8:30 AM if you know things posted here to be false, would you favor us with the truth? The truth is preferable to rumors and gossip. I'm guess that who ever SKM is must be some kind of hooked up with high powered friends and what not. If she's in the know, <<<<<<<<<< if you know what I mean. Rick/Jordan (whatever one of you has this login ), you know exactly who I am. If not, I'm sure you can run back to the Fallout Shelter and ask Norma. I'm not sure I appreciate your implied innuendo. I happen to live in the same state that this mess is being tried in. The barrel racing world is small here. Of course everyone knows what's going on. I knew it was about to become an issue back in June/July.
You darn right.....If she wants to throw it out.....she gets it BACK....She wasn't b*tching about Fallout when SHE was a member.....She either left or was "kicked to the curb" (and not by ME)....the group has over 500+ members (oh wait....YOU are a member.....LOL)....you know that...... |
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Location: Texas | now hold up! What is the fallout and have some super secret beans been spilled? Lol |
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Location: Midwest | pinx05 - 2015-10-31 10:40 AM now hold up! What is the fallout and have some super secret beans been spilled? Lol
Fallout is a group on facebook with a bunch of bhw people |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 11:45 AM pinx05 - 2015-10-31 10:40 AM now hold up! What is the fallout and have some super secret beans been spilled? Lol Fallout is a group on facebook with a bunch of bhw people
its more like a no-hold-barred, tag team, wwf wrestleing match |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 10:45 AM pinx05 - 2015-10-31 10:40 AM now hold up! What is the fallout and have some super secret beans been spilled? Lol Fallout is a group on facebook with a bunch of bhw people
And it is sooooooooo super "secret" that over 500+ are in it......including the "mods" from here...... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | luluwhit - 2015-10-31 10:47 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 11:45 AM pinx05 - 2015-10-31 10:40 AM now hold up! What is the fallout and have some super secret beans been spilled? Lol Fallout is a group on facebook with a bunch of bhw people
Really? We haven't had a knock down ....drag out lately....since a few are no longer in there.....you just have to OWN your words and can't hide behind a "screen name"....novel idea, huh? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | luluwhit - 2015-10-31 10:47 AM
barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 11:45 AM pinx05 - 2015-10-31 10:40 AM now hold up! What is the fallout and have some super secret beans been spilled? Lol Fallout is a group on facebook with a bunch of bhw people
Are you a member? |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | Bear - 2015-10-31 11:49 AM luluwhit - 2015-10-31 10:47 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-10-31 11:45 AM pinx05 - 2015-10-31 10:40 AM now hold up! What is the fallout and have some super secret beans been spilled? Lol Fallout is a group on facebook with a bunch of bhw people Are you a member?
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