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Location: London Ontario | I do for sure. Depends on the horse. I like to keep things interested and have been known to ride like a drunk person. I like to keep my horses on their toes....roll back, then a circle or two, then some serpentines, then some backing, then some more roll backs and maybe a lead change or two. I wont roll back the heck out of any horse but once I get one or two NICE rollbacks, I move on to something else. | |
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Location: West Texas | Here is how to do a roll back exercise. This horse is a two year old stallion with 3 months of riding. Important to stop, load hind end, turn nose, and lope out smooth through the turn. It teaches a horse how to get up underneath themselves and take the correct lead departure. An older horse can do the same fence exercise. The advanced maneuver is to stop on a straight line and do the same roll back on the hind end to a lead departure on the 180 turn. With none of these do you want to just yank your horse around or not complete the stop. Very important to break into steps and complete correctly. Also, if your horse is swinging his butt through the turn, instead of shoulders, then you are not doing a roll back. I see the last a lot and it teaches nothing and is actually bad for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYKjkMOTS1E
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Location: Southern Oregon | I do, but I don't do rollbacks in a straight line off the fence like most do them. I do "pie" style roll backs. | |
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| A true rollback doesn't consist of fences.
If you are using a fence, you aren't doing a rollback, you are doing a turn around. | |
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Location: Southern Oregon | Tdove - 2015-10-29 8:29 AM
Here is how to do a roll back exercise. This horse is a two year old stallion with 3 months of riding. Important to stop, load hind end, turn nose, and lope out smooth through the turn. It teaches a horse how to get up underneath themselves and take the correct lead departure. An older horse can do the same fence exercise. The advanced maneuver is to stop on a straight line and do the same roll back on the hind end to a lead departure on the 180 turn. With none of these do you want to just yank your horse around or not complete the turn. Very important to break into steps and complete correctly. Also, if your horse is swinging his but through the turn, instead of shoulders, then you are not doing a roll back. I see the last a lot and it teaches nothing and is actually bad for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYKjkMOTS1E
These are the ones I do with my horses as well. | |
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Location: West Texas | cheryl makofka - 2015-10-29 10:47 AM
A true rollback doesn't consist of fences.
If you are using a fence, you aren't doing a rollback, you are doing a turn around.
Call it what you want, we call this a rollback on the fence, though I have heard turnaround used to describe it as well. I think a turnaround more of the ride them to the fence and just turning the front end around. I don't like this technique. I wouldn't say a true roll back is not on the fence, but I would say what I originally wrote:
"The advanced maneuver is to stop on a straight line and do the same roll back on the hind end to a lead departure on the 180 turn."
All in all, it seems like splitting hairs to me? The fence work is an excellent tool to start one out and teach them the roll back mechanics. Some people do it in a round pen too. We don't ever do much of that.
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Location: Kansas | Rollbacks are part of the warmup routine for my gray horse. Doing 3 or 4 of them will get him thinking about firing out of a turn the way he needs to in order to win.
I don't do them a lot at home, but I'll ask for a couple if a horse is being lazy or unresponsive. | |
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Location: Dubach, LA | I've always been told they were hard on hocks. I just wondered how many used them on a regular basis. How much speed? | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-10-29 10:47 AM A true rollback doesn't consist of fences. If you are using a fence, you aren't doing a rollback, you are doing a turn around. There are probably a million ways to do this and as mean terms, just like most deals.
I'm not a reiner but my friends who rein refer to the turn around in relation to the spin which is a forward motion. Depending on if they are showing cowhorse or reining the rollbacks can look a little different but are coming back thru themselves and leaving in the opposite direction.
Again this is just how we were taught but the fence can be a good tool on the rollbacks for horses that are a little strung out or not grabbing their butts. Being the right distance from the fence can help load up their back ends as they rock back to come through. One thing we see people forget that is for a horse to really come back through hard they have to have the foundation to draw that hind foot back so they can physically come through themselves hard. LIke anything else the more they do it and the more they advance it becomes less noticeable. Check out vids of cowhorse/cutters working on rollbacks vs reiners and the way they draw back its kind of a neat deal
Totally agree on it the butt is swinging your doing it wrong! Its a fine line that some never ever figure out.
We also will do a rollback type exercise on the fence for horses that want to hurry in their gaits.
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| NEVER TEACH A BARREL HORSE TO DO ANY KIND OF ROLLBACK ...
A rollback requires the horse to stop, squat and turn around which costs you clock time and mixed signals when actually running a pattern which will give you lots of knocked barrels ..
A turn around is where the horse keeps their feet moving and learns to stay up under themselves while turning a very small circle similar to a tight barrel turn. As you are working a circle just get smaller and smaller while keeping your forward momentum going and then unwind the circle by increasing the circles back to normal training size.
This method never gets the horse thinking stop, dive to the left or right especially when rider gives a slow down or rate cue and horse gets mixed signals and crashes the barrel .. and always keep in mind regardless how boring it is ... they have to learn to do this at a walk, trot, lope before you ever think of speed.
This is one of the best training videos I have ever seen that encompasses the basic moves that a horse must know when running barrels, side passing left and right, flying lead changes automatically, how to rate. And as you will notice the turnarounds do have a momentary stop due to teaching the horse to take off from a standing still position into the correct lead and notice the horse follows the trainers cues for a 180 or 360 turn and is cued into the correct lead ...
One of the best training devices Becky uses is how to turn the run off from a horses mind .. so don't sneer at her rattling the chain on the door, flopping a blanket and roping the barrel teaches horse not to stampede if they knock a barrel plus rope broke ... and the gate opening and closing ... get the horse working on basic moves while being quiet and thinking ... every thing she does has a purpose and she uses the same routine if she rides 10 horses a day.. so pay attention to no nagging when a mistake is made .. she keeps right on going and will correct it on the next circle or at tomorrows training session .... you can teach a bad habit by being too hard headed and repeating the mistake trying to make a horse correct ... and notice ... there is no tight reins on tucking the nose or riding collected .... loose reins/soft hands/being focused and keeping the momentum of moving forward and keeping feet up under themselves is worth a million bucks and used the lifetime of the horse.
ENJOY ... TRAINER BECKY AMIO!!
https://youtu.be/UwgdHnbmQFk
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Location: West Texas | Respectfully disagree with the never teach a barrel horse a rollback. That is silly. While its certainly not a must, any thing you do to get a horse broke and working all the parts of the body is a good thing. I know calf ropers that never lope their horse to the left, equally nonsense. The better broke you have a horse, the easier it will be to train and the better it will do anything you want.
On another note, it is best that you properly teach things to your horse. There are some things I don't do with a horse because I am not proficient at them. Doing things wrong is worse than not doing them at all. Just food for thought there. Turnarounds (spins), rollbacks, etc. are not easy things to learn how to do, much less teach to your horse. So just make sure you are doing things correctly, above speed, before you think about doing it. | |
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Location: Willows, CA | Tdove - 2015-10-30 8:33 AM
Respectfully disagree with the never teach a barrel horse a rollback. That is silly. While its certainly not a must, any thing you do to get a horse broke and working all the parts of the body is a good thing. I know calf ropers that never lope their horse to the left, equally nonsense. The better broke you have a horse, the easier it will be to train and the better it will do anything you want.
On another note, it is best that you properly teach things to your horse. There are some things I don't do with a horse because I am not proficient at them. Doing things wrong is worse than not doing them at all. Just food for thought there. Turnarounds (spins), rollbacks, etc. are not easy things to learn how to do, much less teach to your horse. So just make sure you are doing things correctly, above speed, before you think about doing it.
I pretty much agree with Trey here. There is a lot of value in a horse understanding the rollback as part of your ability to control its entire body and have a horse that responds to your input. If you are able to ask for and get a proper controlled rollback, that does not mean that when you check a horse up or go around a barrel or anything else your horse is going to stop and roll back from that input. As an old cutter, the rollback is the absolute key to a successful run. On a cow, a horse can't turn quickly unless it stops first. A rounded turn in that situation is a slow turn compared to a stop and rollback. While this is an absolute when working a cow, I understand that losing forward momentum on a barrel is a completely different thing. However, the most valuable thing you get from teaching a horse to properly shift its weight back and turn through itself in a rollback is your ability to truly control your horses body. A rider should be able to separate the two types of turns, and so should your horse from your input. | |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Tdove - 2015-10-30 8:33 AM Respectfully disagree with the never teach a barrel horse a rollback. That is silly. While its certainly not a must, any thing you do to get a horse broke and working all the parts of the body is a good thing. I know calf ropers that never lope their horse to the left, equally nonsense. The better broke you have a horse, the easier it will be to train and the better it will do anything you want. On another note, it is best that you properly teach things to your horse. There are some things I don't do with a horse because I am not proficient at them. Doing things wrong is worse than not doing them at all. Just food for thought there. Turnarounds (spins), rollbacks, etc. are not easy things to learn how to do, much less teach to your horse. So just make sure you are doing things correctly, above speed, before you think about doing it.
We've never had an issue with the former cutters and reiners that we've put on the pattern...They've probably done a few rollbacks, lol Hotbox would never be as quick as she is if she was trained to run all the way around the barrels.  | |
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Location: West Texas | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-10-30 4:13 AM NEVER TEACH A BARREL HORSE TO DO ANY KIND OF ROLLBACK ... A rollback requires the horse to stop, squat and turn around which costs you clock time and mixed signals when actually running a pattern which will give you lots of knocked barrels .. A turn around is where the horse keeps their feet moving and learns to stay up under themselves while turning a very small circle similar to a tight barrel turn. As you are working a circle just get smaller and smaller while keeping your forward momentum going and then unwind the circle by increasing the circles back to normal training size. This method never gets the horse thinking stop, dive to the left or right especially when rider gives a slow down or rate cue and horse gets mixed signals and crashes the barrel .. and always keep in mind regardless how boring it is ... they have to learn to do this at a walk, trot, lope before you ever think of speed. This is one of the best training videos I have ever seen that encompasses the basic moves that a horse must know when running barrels, side passing left and right, flying lead changes automatically, how to rate. And as you will notice the turnarounds do have a momentary stop due to teaching the horse to take off from a standing still position into the correct lead and notice the horse follows the trainers cues for a 180 or 360 turn and is cued into the correct lead ... One of the best training devices Becky uses is how to turn the run off from a horses mind .. so don't sneer at her rattling the chain on the door, flopping a blanket and roping the barrel teaches horse not to stampede if they knock a barrel plus rope broke ... and the gate opening and closing ... get the horse working on basic moves while being quiet and thinking ... every thing she does has a purpose and she uses the same routine if she rides 10 horses a day.. so pay attention to no nagging when a mistake is made .. she keeps right on going and will correct it on the next circle or at tomorrows training session .... you can teach a bad habit by being too hard headed and repeating the mistake trying to make a horse correct ... and notice ... there is no tight reins on tucking the nose or riding collected .... loose reins/soft hands/being focused and keeping the momentum of moving forward and keeping feet up under themselves is worth a million bucks and used the lifetime of the horse. ENJOY ... TRAINER BECKY AMIO!! https://youtu.be/UwgdHnbmQFk
Thank you, I did enjoy the video. Becky looks like an excellent hand and the horse looks better off for her training. The only thing is, why do you make a point to speak negatively about getting a horse to use its hind end better? The highlighted sentence is fine, but getting a horse to collect, drive, and use its hind end for power is very beneficial, to any horse as well as barrel horses. To think that not doing this makes a better horse, is flawed thinking in my opinion. Do you have to do it, no. But the horse in the training video, although excellent, would benefit from getting more collection and hind end drive. Just a thought to consider.
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BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-10-30 4:13 AM NEVER TEACH A BARREL HORSE TO DO ANY KIND OF ROLLBACK ... A rollback requires the horse to stop, squat and turn around which costs you clock time and mixed signals when actually running a pattern which will give you lots of knocked barrels .. A turn around is where the horse keeps their feet moving and learns to stay up under themselves while turning a very small circle similar to a tight barrel turn. As you are working a circle just get smaller and smaller while keeping your forward momentum going and then unwind the circle by increasing the circles back to normal training size. This method never gets the horse thinking stop, dive to the left or right especially when rider gives a slow down or rate cue and horse gets mixed signals and crashes the barrel .. and always keep in mind regardless how boring it is ... they have to learn to do this at a walk, trot, lope before you ever think of speed. This is one of the best training videos I have ever seen that encompasses the basic moves that a horse must know when running barrels, side passing left and right, flying lead changes automatically, how to rate. And as you will notice the turnarounds do have a momentary stop due to teaching the horse to take off from a standing still position into the correct lead and notice the horse follows the trainers cues for a 180 or 360 turn and is cued into the correct lead ... One of the best training devices Becky uses is how to turn the run off from a horses mind .. so don't sneer at her rattling the chain on the door, flopping a blanket and roping the barrel teaches horse not to stampede if they knock a barrel plus rope broke ... and the gate opening and closing ... get the horse working on basic moves while being quiet and thinking ... every thing she does has a purpose and she uses the same routine if she rides 10 horses a day.. so pay attention to no nagging when a mistake is made .. she keeps right on going and will correct it on the next circle or at tomorrows training session .... you can teach a bad habit by being too hard headed and repeating the mistake trying to make a horse correct ... and notice ... there is no tight reins on tucking the nose or riding collected .... loose reins/soft hands/being focused and keeping the momentum of moving forward and keeping feet up under themselves is worth a million bucks and used the lifetime of the horse. ENJOY ... TRAINER BECKY AMIO!! https://youtu.be/UwgdHnbmQFk
Thank you, I did enjoy the video. Becky looks like an excellent hand and the horse looks better off for her training. The only thing is, why do you make a point to speak negatively about getting a horse to use its hind end better? The highlighted sentence is fine, but getting a horse to collect, drive, and use its hind end for power is very beneficial, to any horse as well as barrel horses. To think that not doing this makes a better horse, is flawed thinking in my opinion. Do you have to do it, no. But the horse in the training video, although excellent, would benefit from getting more collection and hind end drive. Just a thought to consider.
You are not going to an English or dressage event and it is impossible for a horse to be "collected" when running ... and anything faster than a lope a horse needs to have his nose sticking out to help the function of his shoulder movement ...... would you believe the nodding of a horses head when running controls neck muscles that aid the horses shoulders to extend and relax at each stride ........... ..
If you watch the video again .. you will see the turnarounds keeps the fillies feet under herself and she is learning to power out while also getting in the correct lead to go to the next barrel ..... which also aids in making the quick almost un-noticed flying lead changes ... keep in mind this filly has been ridden 30 times which includes colt starting phase. What you are watching is about a dozen individual movements taught separately coming together in a training session .... that is why you don't nag a horse for you making small mistakes .. you want that forward momentum to remain uninterrupted and as a focused trainer, you will make certain mistake does not happen again by being even more focused as the brains of the training session .. lol
If you expect to stop, get collected, then gather when turning a barrel ... then you can toy with the idea of why you may never win a barrel race.
If you maintain your forward momentum and rider is in rhythm with their horse and knows how to switch to two handed to square up themselves and the horse prior to each barrel and keeps outside rein slack and guide with inside rein when making their turns ... while riding quiet and deep in the saddle ... YOU STAND A GOOD CHANCE OF ENDING UP AT THE NFR ..
https://youtu.be/FqGi3WfY74w
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| The video you posted of Becky is very nice thanks, there is no cookie cutter recipe for these horses, try different things I've rode some very collected some pitched away, feel your horse and help him in what he needs some are natural butt draggers some are sticky some move out more i have a horse not using his inside hind leg i do straight roll backs on him | |
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Location: West Texas | Fair enough. You seem to have your mind made up. I think you have a misconception of what collection is and why it is taught but I don't wish to argue. Nice horse and trainer. Although I have never seen one go from unbroke to this in 30 rides.... | |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-10-31 4:23 AM Tdove - 2015-10-30 12:38 PM BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-10-30 4:13 AM NEVER TEACH A BARREL HORSE TO DO ANY KIND OF ROLLBACK ... A rollback requires the horse to stop, squat and turn around which costs you clock time and mixed signals when actually running a pattern which will give you lots of knocked barrels .. A turn around is where the horse keeps their feet moving and learns to stay up under themselves while turning a very small circle similar to a tight barrel turn. As you are working a circle just get smaller and smaller while keeping your forward momentum going and then unwind the circle by increasing the circles back to normal training size. This method never gets the horse thinking stop, dive to the left or right especially when rider gives a slow down or rate cue and horse gets mixed signals and crashes the barrel .. and always keep in mind regardless how boring it is ... they have to learn to do this at a walk, trot, lope before you ever think of speed. This is one of the best training videos I have ever seen that encompasses the basic moves that a horse must know when running barrels, side passing left and right, flying lead changes automatically, how to rate. And as you will notice the turnarounds do have a momentary stop due to teaching the horse to take off from a standing still position into the correct lead and notice the horse follows the trainers cues for a 180 or 360 turn and is cued into the correct lead ... One of the best training devices Becky uses is how to turn the run off from a horses mind .. so don't sneer at her rattling the chain on the door, flopping a blanket and roping the barrel teaches horse not to stampede if they knock a barrel plus rope broke ... and the gate opening and closing ... get the horse working on basic moves while being quiet and thinking ... every thing she does has a purpose and she uses the same routine if she rides 10 horses a day.. so pay attention to no nagging when a mistake is made .. she keeps right on going and will correct it on the next circle or at tomorrows training session .... you can teach a bad habit by being too hard headed and repeating the mistake trying to make a horse correct ... and notice ... there is no tight reins on tucking the nose or riding collected .... loose reins/soft hands/being focused and keeping the momentum of moving forward and keeping feet up under themselves is worth a million bucks and used the lifetime of the horse. ENJOY ... TRAINER BECKY AMIO!! https://youtu.be/UwgdHnbmQFk Thank you, I did enjoy the video. Becky looks like an excellent hand and the horse looks better off for her training. The only thing is, why do you make a point to speak negatively about getting a horse to use its hind end better? The highlighted sentence is fine, but getting a horse to collect, drive, and use its hind end for power is very beneficial, to any horse as well as barrel horses. To think that not doing this makes a better horse, is flawed thinking in my opinion. Do you have to do it, no. But the horse in the training video, although excellent, would benefit from getting more collection and hind end drive. Just a thought to consider. You are not going to an English or dressage event and it is impossible for a horse to be "collected" when running ... and anything faster than a lope a horse needs to have his nose sticking out to help the function of his shoulder movement ...... would you believe the nodding of a horses head when running controls neck muscles that aid the horses shoulders to extend and relax at each stride ........... .. If you watch the video again .. you will see the turnarounds keeps the fillies feet under herself and she is learning to power out while also getting in the correct lead to go to the next barrel ..... which also aids in making the quick almost un-noticed flying lead changes ... keep in mind this filly has been ridden 30 times which includes colt starting phase. What you are watching is about a dozen individual movements taught separately coming together in a training session .... that is why you don't nag a horse for you making small mistakes .. you want that forward momentum to remain uninterrupted and as a focused trainer, you will make certain mistake does not happen again by being even more focused as the brains of the training session .. lol If you expect to stop, get collected, then gather when turning a barrel ... then you can toy with the idea of why you may never win a barrel race. If you maintain your forward momentum and rider is in rhythm with their horse and knows how to switch to two handed to square up themselves and the horse prior to each barrel and keeps outside rein slack and guide with inside rein when making their turns ... while riding quiet and deep in the saddle ... YOU STAND A GOOD CHANCE OF ENDING UP AT THE NFR .. https://youtu.be/FqGi3WfY74w
We've seen several of the Becky Amio horses and multiple vids. You can certainly see the English/Dressage (hopefully right term) influence. I guess her style is like everyone elses in that some will like it, some won't. But yes, she does have that kind of control of the hips and can bust out some major lead changes. You seem to have found a trainer you really like which is great. It always going to be objective. I'd like to see the horse gather a little more and be a little softer through the body and not a huge fan of hustling them through the lead changes like that or the continuos crossfire on one but it sure seems like a nice three year old and everyone likes different things.
For the sake of discussion I'd say that from my point of view if anyone focuses on solely the horses head postion to determine collection then they see things differently than I do. No idea if thats right or wrong, just me.
As far as collection at a lope or higher, no they won't gather up like that but if they know how to collect at slower gaits they will transfer that way of moving to a higher speed.
Again, this is just me but collection isn't a move such as head position or something they do its an entire way of moving and doing things.
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Location: KS | Who does them? I do rollbacks with my barrel horse.
Why? I BELIEVE that it keeps my horse thinking and working off her rear end.
How often? I don't do them often. Whenever I feel it would be a good exercise that day.
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Location: Texas | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-10-31 4:23 AM
Tdove - 2015-10-30 12:38 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-10-30 4:13 AM NEVER TEACH A BARREL HORSE TO DO ANY KIND OF ROLLBACK ... A rollback requires the horse to stop, squat and turn around which costs you clock time and mixed signals when actually running a pattern which will give you lots of knocked barrels .. A turn around is where the horse keeps their feet moving and learns to stay up under themselves while turning a very small circle similar to a tight barrel turn. As you are working a circle just get smaller and smaller while keeping your forward momentum going and then unwind the circle by increasing the circles back to normal training size. This method never gets the horse thinking stop, dive to the left or right especially when rider gives a slow down or rate cue and horse gets mixed signals and crashes the barrel .. and always keep in mind regardless how boring it is ... they have to learn to do this at a walk, trot, lope before you ever think of speed. This is one of the best training videos I have ever seen that encompasses the basic moves that a horse must know when running barrels, side passing left and right, flying lead changes automatically, how to rate. And as you will notice the turnarounds do have a momentary stop due to teaching the horse to take off from a standing still position into the correct lead and notice the horse follows the trainers cues for a 180 or 360 turn and is cued into the correct lead ... One of the best training devices Becky uses is how to turn the run off from a horses mind .. so don't sneer at her rattling the chain on the door, flopping a blanket and roping the barrel teaches horse not to stampede if they knock a barrel plus rope broke ... and the gate opening and closing ... get the horse working on basic moves while being quiet and thinking ... every thing she does has a purpose and she uses the same routine if she rides 10 horses a day.. so pay attention to no nagging when a mistake is made .. she keeps right on going and will correct it on the next circle or at tomorrows training session .... you can teach a bad habit by being too hard headed and repeating the mistake trying to make a horse correct ... and notice ... there is no tight reins on tucking the nose or riding collected .... loose reins/soft hands/being focused and keeping the momentum of moving forward and keeping feet up under themselves is worth a million bucks and used the lifetime of the horse. ENJOY ... TRAINER BECKY AMIO!! https://youtu.be/UwgdHnbmQFk
Thank you, I did enjoy the video. Becky looks like an excellent hand and the horse looks better off for her training. The only thing is, why do you make a point to speak negatively about getting a horse to use its hind end better? The highlighted sentence is fine, but getting a horse to collect, drive, and use its hind end for power is very beneficial, to any horse as well as barrel horses. To think that not doing this makes a better horse, is flawed thinking in my opinion. Do you have to do it, no. But the horse in the training video, although excellent, would benefit from getting more collection and hind end drive. Just a thought to consider.
You are not going to an English or dressage event and it is impossible for a horse to be "collected" when running ... and anything faster than a lope a horse needs to have his nose sticking out to help the function of his shoulder movement ...... would you believe the nodding of a horses head when running controls neck muscles that aid the horses shoulders to extend and relax at each stride ........... ..
If you watch the video again .. you will see the turnarounds keeps the fillies feet under herself and she is learning to power out while also getting in the correct lead to go to the next barrel ..... which also aids in making the quick almost un-noticed flying lead changes ... keep in mind this filly has been ridden 30 times which includes colt starting phase. What you are watching is about a dozen individual movements taught separately coming together in a training session .... that is why you don't nag a horse for you making small mistakes .. you want that forward momentum to remain uninterrupted and as a focused trainer, you will make certain mistake does not happen again by being even more focused as the brains of the training session .. lol
If you expect to stop, get collected, then gather when turning a barrel ... then you can toy with the idea of why you may never win a barrel race.
If you maintain your forward momentum and rider is in rhythm with their horse and knows how to switch to two handed to square up themselves and the horse prior to each barrel and keeps outside rein slack and guide with inside rein when making their turns ... while riding quiet and deep in the saddle ... YOU STAND A GOOD CHANCE OF ENDING UP AT THE NFR ..
https://youtu.be/FqGi3WfY74w
Sorry... I too must disagree with not doing rollbacks. There are several benefits to teaching a horse to roll back, the main one is to get them working off that booty better. I believe that someone else had mentioned that it helps them to learn how to rock that weight to the rear end, when done correctly.
I did watch the video and since you posted it I'm going to give my two cents on it... Here are a couple of things that I see... the horse looks pretty relaxed in the exercises which is great, but this horse is going too fast too soon and getting heavy on her front end. Training forks are good for some things, but I don't like to start a horse in them because it takes away some of that bend and softness that we need in our horses. Becky rides a little forward which is helping to keep that horse a little heavy on the front end. Where it is easiest to see is in the big circle (during the lead changes) when she adds the speed, the mare stumbles on the turn because she is a bit strung out and heavy on her front. I'm certainly not bashing her as a trainer and rider - just pointing out a few things that jump out at me.
You mentioned in your post that "If you expect to stop, get collected, then gather when turning a barrel... then you can toy with the idea of why you may never win a barrel race." That is a pretty close-ended statement, and certainly not accurate. If you replace the word stop with the word rate, you are going to win quite a few barrel races.
Like I always say... The proof is in the pudding. ;)
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