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Location: California | Looking for a list of barrel clinicians that teach with a teardrop barrel pattern. Thanks! |
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Location: California | GLP - 2015-10-29 3:44 AM
Lynn Mckenzie.
thanks :)
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Location: NC | Dena Kirkpatrick. and Kristen Weaver Brown to an extent. She is GREAT just audited one of her clinics this month. |
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| Most of the trainers and clinicians in E TX Reinhardts, Joseys, Janet Stover Lynn McKenzie. All of thise puton clinics all over except Janet. |
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| I believe Lisa Lockhart teaches this way |
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Location: SE KS | so I'm going to show my ignorance - what is a teardrop pattern? thanks! |
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Location: California | Dinero10 - 2015-10-29 6:42 AM so I'm going to show my ignorance - what is a teardrop pattern? thanks!
I'm not even 100% sure if someone could explain or have a diagram I'd love to see it! |
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Location: Missouri | I don't have time to dig through old notes, but I found this online. Basically, you go straighter longer.
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Location: SE KS | just like teardrop - thank you for sharing! |
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| THIS ^^ works particularly well with longer sided, longer backed horses that maybe don't have the ratio of back to underline that is the most desired. |
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Location: SE KS | I noticed on each barrel the pocket is different |
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Location: California | Does Jackie Jatzlau train with the teardrop pattern? If not anyone know what pattern she runs? |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-10-29 8:23 AM
I believe Lisa Lockhart teaches this way
she looks like she runs that way. |
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| lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 9:06 AM
THIS ^^ works particularly well with longer sided, longer backed horses that maybe don't have the ratio of back to underline that is the most desired.
When a horse rolls back the have to stop forward motion completely. The teardrop is way more efficient. Lisa Lockhart's horse is not a long backed horse and he runs this way. If you run a true teardrop style you will hit fewer barrels. The horse in my avatar was trained to run the teardrop style. He is a huge short back horse. Like I said it is way more efficient.
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| streakysox - 2015-10-29 11:29 AM lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 9:06 AM THIS ^^ works particularly well with longer sided, longer backed horses that maybe don't have the ratio of back to underline that is the most desired. When a horse rolls back the have to stop forward motion completely. The teardrop is way more efficient. Lisa Lockhart's horse is not a long backed horse and he runs this way. If you run a true teardrop style you will hit fewer barrels. The horse in my avatar was trained to run the teardrop style. He is a huge short back horse. Like I said it is way more efficient.
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Location: Texas | I didn't think DK taught a teardrop pattern. She teaches a "same area all the way around the barrel." and her approach to the first barrel is not like in that demo. She is big on her one smooth motion turn, i didnt think it was a tear drop. but idk |
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Location: Texas | *almost there* - 2015-10-29 10:04 AM Does Jackie Jatzlau train with the teardrop pattern? If not anyone know what pattern she runs?
No she rides much more simple than that. You basically teach a natural rate by going down a gait at your rate point to the barrel and then you just turn.
Obviously there's more to it than just that, but it's about that simple.
Her style is all about being smooth and not over thinking what were doing. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I would say Kim Landry ran this way, she had a more square style of running but she isn't in good health :( what was a hell of a rider and teacher.
I had a horse that ran this way, he liked it and it worked for him, I think it's good to be able to train and learn all different types of running styles and ways to turn because each horse is different!!!! |
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Location: NC | casualdust07 - 2015-10-29 1:41 PM
I didn't think DK taught a teardrop pattern. She teaches a "same area all the way around the barrel." and her approach to the first barrel is not like in that demo. She is big on her one smooth motion turn, i didnt think it was a tear drop. but idk
you might be right it has been awhile since I watched her videos. Sorry.
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http://americashorsedaily.com/barrel-racing-patterning/#.VjNsldKrS7...
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| I read an article in Barrel Horse News several years ago from Terra Bynum. She teaches the tear drop. |
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Location: South Dakota | Sharin Hall teaches a tear drop type of turn....lots of videos on her You Tube channel. |
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 9:06 AM THIS ^^ works particularly well with longer sided, longer backed horses that maybe don't have the ratio of back to underline that is the most desired.
I think you are probably right. That makes sense. I have a horse with the shortest back I've ever seen (in comparison to the rest of his body).
I know it takes some time to change a horse's style to this teardrop theory so I stuck with it for a whie...then I realized my horse had lost his snappy-ness by trying to hold him out deeper in the turn and our times reflected it quite a bit.
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Location: South Dakota | txbredbr - 2015-10-30 10:34 AM lindseylou2290 - 2015-10-29 9:06 AM THIS ^^ works particularly well with longer sided, longer backed horses that maybe don't have the ratio of back to underline that is the most desired. I think you are probably right. That makes sense. I have a horse with the shortest back I've ever seen (in comparison to the rest of his body).
I know it takes some time to change a horse's style to this teardrop theory so I stuck with it for a whie...then I realized my horse had lost his snappy-ness by trying to hold him out deeper in the turn and our times reflected it quite a bit.
That is interesting...so what style works best for you? |
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| We have a family of horses that turn the barrels in 2 strides and hit the barrel leaving every time. They are short backed, quick footed, naturally collected horses. The original breeder was always telling us to ride them straighter, longer to get past the barrel. It is hard to do when they want to work the pattern so quick. The tear drop pattern was the only way to get a clean pattern on these horses.
I now have a gelding that is short backed and wants to turn with a rollback style, so I am also doing the teardrop with him.
The best horse I ever had was a looong backed, long necked, long hipped, long headed horse who could just run all the way around the barrel, he was soo smooth.
So I think it's a very individual thing with the horse.
According to Lynn, most horses did best with the teardrop pattern, that is why she teaches it. She said there were some horses who did better with a different style. She said she would teach whichever style suited the horse. |
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Location: South Dakota | I guess I always thought that straighter longer was kind of the same thing as the tear drop style...
What works for me, is room in the turn, mostly backside room...cadence in slow work...get them up into the turn, forward motion...no sticky spots......squaring up to leave turn. |
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Location: Missouri | The diagram hurts my head... I don't have time to learn that! lol! When I went to her clinic, it all made sense, but a couple of kids later, all that information is gone...
So, I'm glad this was brought up! I'm having trouble finishing the third...it didn't occur to me until this thread that I should try to get him deeper, I've just been trying to get a wider pocket. Which isn't working! So, excited to have something to try!
Thanks for the reminder, OP!
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I like a horse that wraps the barrels personally, I believe they're easier to ride and sit on, my square snappy mare is much harder to sit on but she is just as fast in her turns, if not faster the others.
I don't really care how they turn I have learned to adjust to different running styles. As long as they never stop moving their feet I'm happy, the horse that turns the fastest usually wins the barrel race |
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Location: California | outrundaizy - 2015-10-29 1:21 PM
*almost there* - 2015-10-29 10:04 AM Does Jackie Jatzlau train with the teardrop pattern? If not anyone know what pattern she runs?
No she rides much more simple than that. You basically teach a natural rate by going down a gait at your rate point to the barrel and then you just turn.
Obviously there's more to it than just that, but it's about that simple.
Her style is all about being smooth and not over thinking what were doing.
Can you tell me how far from each barrel she goes around when patterning? Or anymore info on her patterning?
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Location: Texas | *almost there* - 2015-10-30 3:16 PM outrundaizy - 2015-10-29 1:21 PM *almost there* - 2015-10-29 10:04 AM Does Jackie Jatzlau train with the teardrop pattern? If not anyone know what pattern she runs? No she rides much more simple than that. You basically teach a natural rate by going down a gait at your rate point to the barrel and then you just turn.
Obviously there's more to it than just that, but it's about that simple.
Her style is all about being smooth and not over thinking what were doing. Can you tell me how far from each barrel she goes around when patterning? Or anymore info on her patterning? Thanks so much!!!
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| Lynn McKenzie. They explain it as an ice cream cone. How deep or high your cone will depend on their conformation and style. Hope, I remember it right.
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| One thing that I really do think all of you are missing here is that you needed to decide your style and stick with it. Practice the same way every time. Run exactly the same way you praçtice/train. About 1975, Lynn McKenzie had an article in the QH Journal that had a title something like PERFECT PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT RUNS. She had poles and tires to make sure that she made every practice trip exactly the same. I have known Lynn since way before she had Missle. I attended one of her clinics about 1976. It was outside, freezing cold, and raining in an outdoor arena. I really think my horse put it together that weekend from the consistent practice. |
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Location: SW MO | outrundaizy - 2015-10-30 9:03 PM
*almost there* - 2015-10-30 3:16 PM outrundaizy - 2015-10-29 1:21 PM *almost there* - 2015-10-29 10:04 AM Does Jackie Jatzlau train with the teardrop pattern? If not anyone know what pattern she runs? No she rides much more simple than that. You basically teach a natural rate by going down a gait at your rate point to the barrel and then you just turn.
Obviously there's more to it than just that, but it's about that simple.
Her style is all about being smooth and not over thinking what were doing. Can you tell me how far from each barrel she goes around when patterning? Or anymore info on her patterning? Thanks so much!!!
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Location: Texas | Mzbradford - 2015-11-08 8:10 PM outrundaizy - 2015-10-30 9:03 PM *almost there* - 2015-10-30 3:16 PM outrundaizy - 2015-10-29 1:21 PM *almost there* - 2015-10-29 10:04 AM Does Jackie Jatzlau train with the teardrop pattern? If not anyone know what pattern she runs? No she rides much more simple than that. You basically teach a natural rate by going down a gait at your rate point to the barrel and then you just turn.
Obviously there's more to it than just that, but it's about that simple.
Her style is all about being smooth and not over thinking what were doing. Can you tell me how far from each barrel she goes around when patterning? Or anymore info on her patterning? Thanks so much!!! Could you PM me also? Thank you
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| I found this link googling teardrop Barrel pattern.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.tann...
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http://ontherodeoroad.com/?s=jackie+jatzlau
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Location: The edge of no where | mollibtexan - 2015-10-30 9:12 PM Lynn McKenzie Just curious what style you train?
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Location: Arizona | streakysox - 2015-11-08 6:35 PM
One thing that I really do think all of you are missing here is that you needed to decide your style and stick with it. Practice the same way every time. Run exactly the same way you praçtice/train. About 1975, Lynn McKenzie had an article in the QH Journal that had a title something like PERFECT PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT RUNS. She had poles and tires to make sure that she made every practice trip exactly the same. I have known Lynn since way before she had Missle. I attended one of her clinics about 1976. It was outside, freezing cold, and raining in an outdoor arena. I really think my horse put it together that weekend from the consistent practice.
Easier said then done! I can't seem to find what style works best for my mare. I have switched her directions, changed styles and yet we still can't get it together. UGH! |
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