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I have a coming two year old that I plan on breaking in the spring. I don't think I'll have any trouble breaking her. I have already had a saddle on her without any fuss. My only issue is that I have never personally worked with a young one. I have put a few on the pattern but these were older horses that were shown in other discplines so they took to it great. Basically, I didnt have to do much "training". I've raised this filly and from the get go I've always told myself that I would do everything to get her to the point of running barrels. However, I'm starting to second guess myself.
As I've watched her grow and mature, I truly in my heart believe she has what it takes to be a top contender. I dont want my lack of experience in this area to interfere with her future. Obviously I will be the one seasoning her later down the road but im not sure if I should be the one to put the first 30-60 days on her. I feel like if I sent her to a reputable trainer I would feel more confident about her start. I guess im just looking for thoughts on this topic. Im sure some or most of you have been in a similar situation. What did you do and did it work out? | |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | There is nothing more special than bringing one on yourself. That being said, I started a number of colts in high school. I did an ok job based on my limited knowledge at the time and they all went on to be decent using horses. But they were not super soft. When I had my last two year old I knew I had the base knowledge to get her started but recognized that there are people who do nothing but mess with young ones all day every day. It is their specialty. They can accomplish in 90 days what it would take me 6 months or more to do on my own. I chose not to experiment with a filly I had such high hopes for. I sent her off. It was the right decision and now I can enjoy my nice handling filly without any stress. If you really want to do it yourself I'd get lessons with someone who does do it for a living or go to a colt starting clinic, like Buck Brannaman's, and use their system. I definitely wouldn't do it without a mentor or some guidance. | |
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| I used to break my own but that was years ago. The guy I send them to puts 30 days on them. This works for me because my life doesn't get the in the way and they actually get ridden. Other than that, it really depends on your goal. Do you want a top 1D horse for you or to sell or do you want to play around with the horse for a few years yourself. My barrel trainer is very honest and told me to get rid of one. She has ridden 5 or 6 of mine and gets more done in a month than most people can in 4 or 5 months. She works with me so that I can ride them to their top performance. I think that is important too. | |
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Location: West Texas | Have someone else break it, from your description of the situation and lack of experience and knowledge. No shame in it. Two things, one can mess up a horse or get hurt.
If you believe you do have the skill and need instruction. I recommend Clinton Anderson colt starting DVD. Not grabbing one and having enough feel are very important. Of course sending one off, needs to be done with just as much care.
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Location: Texas | I'm debating the same thing with my FDF baby... She's been great so far as well, but I'm wondering if i should speed up the process by sending her off. I just don't want anyone to give her a bad foundation and her come back different :/. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | The first few months of starting a colt are so very important, that if you've never done it before.....please send her off. If you could work with someone very experienced daily, then I'd say do it yourself, but this isn't something to jump off in the middle of without help. Babies can do some bizarre things when you start them, some of the gentlest sweetest ones turn into hellions when you get on them...not often, but it happens. Some people are awesome colt starters, take advantage of that and get one to start her for you. Especially because she's very nice, get her the best start possible. | |
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Location: texas | I have the same questions..... I am a decent hand but a "trainer" buy no means...
I have had 2 experiences sending one off, first was horrible, second was decent... never got results worth talking about
I am very leery about sending my 4yo off, coming into the rainy winter months it makes it hard to really get one going unless u have a covered arena... now mine is broke decent enuff but she was just broke last summer and needs lots and lots of miles....
a friend of mine has sent all 3 of her youngsters to a "reiner" and I was fortunate enuff to ride one, and man the feel was amazing, their mouth was like softened butter in my hands... she sends them for a min of 3 months if not longer... really gets them collected, learning how to carry themselves, moving all body parts, and soft...
if I had the money I would send mine off to this reining trainer for 90 or 120 days ($1200 or more a month) BUT that depends if u like that feel and that style
a great foundation is a must, I love Clinton andersons colt starting set and all of his groundwork, really adds that finesse to one....
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| I am sharing, my story is about the underdog. ;-) I am one of those crazy people who doesn't have the experience that the professionals do, but come hell or high water it isn't going to stop me. You have to start somewhere.
My husband and I picked an untouched three year old stud out of the field that came from a breeding farm that was out of control. In the end, this farm lost all 58 of their horses due to neglect.
Anyways, my husband put the first 30 days on the horse...and then gave him to me. I trail rode him for a year (as I was not into barrel racing yet) then sent him to a reputable trainer to put 30 days on the pattern on him. Trainer was very impressed. I got the horse back to season and ran him for a year then sold him. From there the very first show the new owners took him to this horse ran second to an arena record and a horse priced in the six figures.
So- to answer your question-my first barrel horse was a cheapie neglected horse that my husband and I broke and seasoned aside from the 30 days....and this horse has gone on to be a top contender. Got 2nd at Colonial Nationals, placed 8th in the NBHA finals, among many other 1D runs.
Although I am not really sure how much credit I really deserve, I do believe that good horses cannot be ruined. They are simply naturals no matter what you do, the talent is God given. You have to look at your personal goals....mine is to be a top trainer and to get there no matter how humbling it is going to be I will take all the young horses I can and learn from them. I have also taken the time to educate myself and work with multiple trainers, and don't get me wrong Ihave a LONG WAY TO GO. I guess what I am saying is don't count yourself out if it is your heart's desire. If you want to start your horse go for it. You have to start somewhere. Don't be afraid to make mistakes-that is how you become better. | |
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Location: Missouri | I have planned all along to send mine out, but the more I ride with the trainers that I wanted to use, the more convinced I am to keep her home. Maybe I'll change my mind again next year, but I don't think so...
My colt that I got as a 2 y/o that was/is a rip, Yes! By all means! I sent him out! Three times! lol!
But, my sweet filly that I helped deliver, that was born on Mother's Day after I lost a pregnancy the day before, yea, she's pretty special. And, I don't trust anyone else with her.
I will ride with the trainer and work closely with him, but at least I can control how much riding she'll get, how much softness to put on, how fast she progresses, etc.
Because the biggest thing I learned from my jerk of a colt, even the good trainers expect them to fit their schedule and aren't going to change their program for one that doesn't fit the mold...
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Location: texas | just4fun - 2015-11-02 9:14 AM
I have planned all along to send mine out, but the more I ride with the trainers that I wanted to use, the more convinced I am to keep her home. Maybe I'll change my mind again next year, but I don't think so...
My colt that I got as a 2 y/o that was/is a rip, Yes! By all means! I sent him out! Three times! lol!
But, my sweet filly that I helped deliver, that was born on Mother's Day after I lost a pregnancy the day before, yea, she's pretty special. And, I don't trust anyone else with her.
I will ride with the trainer and work closely with him, but at least I can control how much riding she'll get, how much softness to put on, how fast she progresses, etc.
Because the biggest thing I learned from my jerk of a colt, even the good trainers expect them to fit their schedule and aren't going to change their program for one that doesn't fit the mold...
I agree, I think this is why my couple of experiences w a "trainer" didn't work out w my other 4yo filly...
plus, I strongly agree, nobody will take care of them like you will, no matter what they tell you....
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Location: Montana | I don't know what to tell you. I've had a good experience and a bad experience with two separate trainers. But, I think I would still send one out for training if it was me, but get a lot of references and do a lot of research. | |
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| If you send them off ... make sure you can actually ride after the trainer you're sending it to.
Just because the trainer comes with great references and can train the H3!! out of something doesn't mean you have the skill set and ability to hop on and continue to work the horse when it comes back to you.
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| To comment on the person who said can't ruin a good horse, this is actually done all the time, you just don't see them as they are canned immediately.
To the op, there are a few things you can do
If you have the time to work with the horse 2-3 hours a day (you don't have to work the horse this long, but you need to have the time) then take a colt starting clinic, when Ray hunt was alive, I went to one of his, and loved it.
Also John Lyons has amazing videos from starting a horse from the ground up, they are easy to understand, and tie in really well to Ray Hunts philosophy, try and find these, as I believe I watched them 20 yrs ago on VHS (honestly not that old, but was training my own at the age of 10)
Clinton Anderson has videos, I haven't watched any, but I know a lot of people like them, try and get your hands on them, then even go to a colt starting clinic from someone who has trained under Clint.
If you don't have the time to dedicate to the horse, please send the horse out.
Go to ranch horse competitions, barrel races, watch the young horses and speak with the owners of the horses you like the handle on, ask who started the horse, get names and numbers.
The good trainers don't advertise, they are by word of mouth, have long wait lists, and are a little more pricey.
Go watch the trainer, learn their philosophy, make sure they ride similarly to you. Look at their feeding program, if you don't like it, or think it needs a little extra, ask if he/she would be willing to feed the extras if you brought it.
Be prepared your horse will come back a little riby from the trainer, don't be appalled, if the trainer is actually putting the hours in the saddle, the horse is burning excess calories, they may come home with ulcers (very stressful, they go from doing nothing to a steep learning curve).
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Location: Missouri | cheryl makofka - 2015-11-02 10:07 AM To comment on the person who said can't ruin a good horse, this is actually done all the time, you just don't see them as they are canned immediately. To the op, there are a few things you can do If you have the time to work with the horse 2-3 hours a day (you don't have to work the horse this long, but you need to have the time) then take a colt starting clinic, when Ray hunt was alive, I went to one of his, and loved it. Also John Lyons has amazing videos from starting a horse from the ground up, they are easy to understand, and tie in really well to Ray Hunts philosophy, try and find these, as I believe I watched them 20 yrs ago on VHS (honestly not that old, but was training my own at the age of 10) Clinton Anderson has videos, I haven't watched any, but I know a lot of people like them, try and get your hands on them, then even go to a colt starting clinic from someone who has trained under Clint. If you don't have the time to dedicate to the horse, please send the horse out. Go to ranch horse competitions, barrel races, watch the young horses and speak with the owners of the horses you like the handle on, ask who started the horse, get names and numbers. The good trainers don't advertise, they are by word of mouth, have long wait lists, and are a little more pricey. Go watch the trainer, learn their philosophy, make sure they ride similarly to you. Look at their feeding program, if you don't like it, or think it needs a little extra, ask if he/she would be willing to feed the extras if you brought it. Be prepared your horse will come back a little riby from the trainer, don't be appalled, if the trainer is actually putting the hours in the saddle, the horse is burning excess calories, they may come home with ulcers (very stressful, they go from doing nothing to a steep learning curve).
this is exactly why I will keep mine at home. I feel like this is unnecessary and should not be accepted as "normal". Yet, it is what I see more and more...
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Location: The edge of no where | "My only issue is that I have never personally worked with a young one. I have put a few on the pattern but these were older horses that were shown in other discplines so they took to it great."
You have to start somewhere, but there is a huge difference in patterning an older 'broke' horse or one that's at least had a couple of jobs......and starting a baby. How confident are you doing groundwork? If you could have someone really experienced come give you lessons with your girl, or at least be on the premises if you need back up. You'd probably have a lot of fun. Starting one from scratch without some help tho, can go so wrong. (I LOVE riding green horses, but I prefer someone else put 60-90 days on them first. I know what part of the process I'm good at doing.) I've broke a few, but really prefer they've got those first 10 rides out of the way.
I absolutely disagree with the statement that good horses can't be ruined....they can be and a lot are. A good foundation is so critical to everything your going to do with her later.
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Location: West Texas | There are trainers out there that treat your horse as well or even better than you. There are trainers that horses come home in excellent shape, not ribby or with ulcers. There are trainers that can train various types that don't fit the mold. Most of these trainers are not guys that studied under a clinician and most of them will not come to your place and train you. They do not have the time. I think Clinton is a great horse starter but no way would training under him give you anywhere near his credit ability. I've seen the results of this type of stuff. Being a good horse trainer, especially a great colt starter takes just as much talent than knowledge. Very few people do well with a colt on their first.
I agree that most trainers out there are not worth the money you pay them to start a horse. The ones that are, have a waiting list. Also, very few competition trainers start many, if any colts. This is just an area where you can't make too many generalities. This is a subject that I do know quite a bit about.
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| I am in your same situation. I have a 2yr old that I am confident I could break, I would just rather send her to have someone else do it. That way I don't have to deal with the emotional frustrations since I have an attachment to my horse, unlike an emotional attachment a trainer would have. PLUS it is a major safety concern since they are animals. Make sure you don't just choose a trainer from google. Watch them ride, references, etc. I chose mine because I bought a horse that came from their barn. I went down later and tried another horse from their barn as well. Everything from stalls, cleanliness, organization of the tack room, and not to mention the handle and brains that each of their horses has had me sold. I swore from then on that if I bought a young one, I would send it to them. Well here I am, with a young one.lol | |
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Location: mi | I used to try to start mine. Now I send them out. I just got back my 4 year old. That we had saddled and ground driven and even sat on and really he was going to be no big deal. But I still sent him out for 45 days. He came back broke. He is soft and moves off your legs and is just awesome. And he came back fat and slick and happy. what this trainer did in 45 days would of taken me all winter. It was money well spent. I highly recommend sending them out to get that great foundation on them. Provided you know of a great colt starter. and that right there is the key finding the great colt starter. Good luck. | |
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Location: North Dakota | So, what is the horses personality like?? Can you answer these questions?? If not, maybe you should send her away....
1. Is she respectful of you and your space, when you reprimand her-does she listen and obey?
2. Is her first response to obey OR does she do something else?
3. Is she respectful of her face ears, feet, belly, saddling?
4. Does she stand quietly tied and saddled?
5. Does she pony with another horse and is she respectful of that horse?
6. If she is with other horses how is she in the herd?
7. During feeding time is she respectful there? Knows where her pen is-how to get in and out of her stall/barn with minimal confrontation etc.
ALL of the above is the beginnings to making a great relationship with ANY 2 year old and honestly there is A LOT more than those 7 things but if you can say that there is not a time or place where your horse intimidates you in any one of the above I think you could progress to riding/training/breaking. Our 2 year olds are also being worked on the ground in the round pen/over small logs/obstacles with/without a saddle but it's all about respect. Keep in mind-we have a 2 year old every 5 years or so....we keep them forever and we want them to be our good "using" horses forever-as 3/4 year olds they will go to brandings and drag calves and probably haul our kids around on sleds a little in the winter if we have snow. There should NEVER be a time that you feel intimidated or fear from your horse during the training process-if so-that could be a point of possible contention that definitely could turn into a much larger issue as time goes on. Kids and horses alike need well placed reprimands and if you miss the opporatunity it takes a long time to get them over a mis learned habit. I have a very hard time sending one to someone else as I feel it takes a lot longer than 30-60 days to make a good horse so I sure hope you have a good start and with whatever you decide make sure you follow through with your actions. Also one sure rule I've lived by......that is almost always necessary at one time or another-a tired horse is a smart horse :) | |
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| just4fun - 2015-11-02 10:30 AM
cheryl makofka - 2015-11-02 10:07 AM To comment on the person who said can't ruin a good horse, this is actually done all the time, you just don't see them as they are canned immediately. To the op, there are a few things you can do If you have the time to work with the horse 2-3 hours a day (you don't have to work the horse this long, but you need to have the time) then take a colt starting clinic, when Ray hunt was alive, I went to one of his, and loved it. Also John Lyons has amazing videos from starting a horse from the ground up, they are easy to understand, and tie in really well to Ray Hunts philosophy, try and find these, as I believe I watched them 20 yrs ago on VHS (honestly not that old, but was training my own at the age of 10) Clinton Anderson has videos, I haven't watched any, but I know a lot of people like them, try and get your hands on them, then even go to a colt starting clinic from someone who has trained under Clint. If you don't have the time to dedicate to the horse, please send the horse out. Go to ranch horse competitions, barrel races, watch the young horses and speak with the owners of the horses you like the handle on, ask who started the horse, get names and numbers. The good trainers don't advertise, they are by word of mouth, have long wait lists, and are a little more pricey. Go watch the trainer, learn their philosophy, make sure they ride similarly to you. Look at their feeding program, if you don't like it, or think it needs a little extra, ask if he/she would be willing to feed the extras if you brought it. Be prepared your horse will come back a little riby from the trainer, don't be appalled, if the trainer is actually putting the hours in the saddle, the horse is burning excess calories, they may come home with ulcers (very stressful, they go from doing nothing to a steep learning curve).
this is exactly why I will keep mine at home. I feel like this is unnecessary and should not be accepted as "normal". Yet, it is what I see more and more...
Everyone's definition of riby is different, also there are many people who don't believe their horse has ulcers.
I honestly don't scope mine when they come back from the trainer, I just treat.
As I have read research that says most weanlings have ulcers. I have read research that says most performance horses have ulcers (80 percent)
So if these horses have ulcers, why would I expect my 2-3 yr old who is put into a stressful situation to not have ulcers. | |
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Location: Willows, CA | If you think you have one that has a lot of potential and you don't have a lot of experience, you should send her out. I would not watch a video and then head to the round pen with her. If you can take her to someone who can help you move her forward that is great. But, most people don't have access to someone close enough that is interested in doing that for you beyond just a few days of help. Remember, every minute you spend with them you are teaching them something, either good or bad. | |
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| Well regardless I see horses that perform despite their riders every weekend at shows.
I used to worry so much about ruining a horse, until finally my trainer told me to stop worrying and told me how you can't ruin a good horse. So I am simply sharing my experiences and what I have learned. Should you choose to go the route yourself OP as long as you have patience, an open mind, and continue to educate yourself you will be fine. ;-) Gaining feel and timing doesn't just come from watching others, it comes from experience and putting yourself out there.
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Location: texas | Clinton Anderson Says:
"Don't let fear hold you back"
"if you haven't wrecked a couple of horses, then you haven't tried hard enough"
"what I mean is, when you are first learning, you sometimes, try so hard to succeed you might over train a horse and push limits too far"
"the first horse you train using THE METHOD, is like the sacrificial lamb, your going to make mistakes, EXPECT IT, learn from it" | |
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Location: The edge of no where | teamthompson - 2015-11-02 1:45 PM Clinton Anderson Says: "Don't let fear hold you back" "if you haven't wrecked a couple of horses, then you haven't tried hard enough" "what I mean is, when you are first learning, you sometimes, try so hard to succeed you might over train a horse and push limits too far" "the first horse you train using THE METHOD, is like the sacrificial lamb, your going to make mistakes, EXPECT IT, learn from it" He's not very high up there on my list of people I'd like to have start my colts......those sayins will move him further down the list.
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| Send it out, so when you two aren't performing worth a crap you have someone to blame...
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don't have a problem starting them out under saddle, but I've seen the difference between what I can accomplish in say 6 months, versus 60 days with a very good trainer. If I had a very nice, well bred prospect, and I want to get the best possible results from them, then I'm going to invest the money in 2-3-4 months training with a TRAINER (not necessarily a barrel racer), so I can get a very good foundation and handle. I think having a horse that is dead broke and has been really taught to use himself and having that done by a real pro is priceless. At the end of this, I think it's also worthwhile to ride the youngster under the trainers tutelage. There are a number of people I know who I think would fit the bill, but I just think it's one of the rare things of value that is worthwhile nowadays....priceless.
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Location: Georgia | Itsme - 2015-11-02 6:37 PM Send it out, so when you two aren't performing worth a crap you have someone to blame...
While I don't see that being our future, I honestly would rather say that I was the reason she was performing poorly versus sending her off somewhere and realizing it was a mistake. That would be very disappointing. If I do send her off, it's going to be a very good reputable trainer. So I will have no one to blame but myself in the seasoning process. Let's hope that isn't the case though.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Itsme - 2015-11-02 5:37 PM
Send it out, so when you two aren't performing worth a crap you have someone to blame...
I don't know if you realize this but some of us who send our horses off are mature enough to know when to blame ourselves and not the trainer if the horse is not performing. I know I do not ride my filly as well as my trainer. But she is not the only one 'in training.' I always ride with my trainer on pickup. I take lessons too so I can improve. We are also willing to look into pain issues if that is the reason they are not performing.
I teach English classes and direct a writing center. I cannot tell you how many students refuse to seek help from a tutor at the writing center, even though the help is free and the difference in grades is often an entire letter grade or more, because of the perception that only stupid students need tutoring. Actually most A and B students seek help. They are smart enough to recognize the importance of getting some help. They are not so full of pride that they will cut off their nose to spite their face and refuse to get help. Most of the best trainers and riders got help from other experts too. The horse community is just that, a community. No doubt there are crap trainers. I've had experience with that. I've also had experience bringing one on myself. In high school I did make state finals. My horse and I had some limitations but we also accomplished some great things. Just making two different associations finals was very rewarding. I've also had the recent experience of having the help of an excellent, honest, accomplished trainer. My god, I wished I had had this help in high school. I would be so much farther along. Quit making assumptions and generalizing about those who get help. They are smart enough to seek it and many are **** sure smart enough to own up to their own faults too. Which is why they got help in the first place. | |
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| oija - 2015-11-02 7:36 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-02 5:37 PM
Send it out, so when you two aren't performing worth a crap you have someone to blame...
I don't know if you realize this but some of us who send our horses off are mature enough to know when to blame ourselves and not the trainer if the horse is not performing. I know I do not ride my filly as well as my trainer. But she is not the only one 'in training.' I always ride with my trainer on pickup. I take lessons too so I can improve. We are also willing to look into pain issues if that is the reason they are not performing.
I teach English classes and direct a writing center. I cannot tell you how many students refuse to seek help from a tutor at the writing center, even though the help is free and the difference in grades is often an entire letter grade or more, because of the perception that only stupid students need tutoring. Actually most A and B students seek help. They are smart enough to recognize the importance of getting some help. They are not so full of pride that they will cut off their nose to spite their face and refuse to get help. Most of the best trainers and riders got help from other experts too. The horse community is just that, a community. No doubt there are crap trainers. I've had experience with that. I've also had experience bringing one on myself. In high school I did make state finals. My horse and I had some limitations but we also accomplished some great things. Just making two different associations finals was very rewarding. I've also had the recent experience of having the help of an excellent, honest, accomplished trainer. My god, I wished I had had this help in high school. I would be so much farther along. Quit making assumptions and generalizing about those who get help. They are smart enough to seek it and many are **** sure smart enough to own up to their own faults too. Which is why they got help in the first place.
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| Well congratulations on having such a nice prospect! No matter the path you choose it will be an exciting journey. :)
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| MS2011 - 2015-11-02 4:03 PM
teamthompson - 2015-11-02 1:45 PM Clinton Anderson Says: "Don't let fear hold you back" "if you haven't wrecked a couple of horses, then you haven't tried hard enough" "what I mean is, when you are first learning, you sometimes, try so hard to succeed you might over train a horse and push limits too far" "the first horse you train using THE METHOD, is like the sacrificial lamb, your going to make mistakes, EXPECT IT, learn from it" He's not very high up there on my list of people I'd like to have start my colts......those sayins will move him further down the list.
Wow, I'd have to agree...the first colt I started had to put up with me learning on him, but he was totally NOT wrecked and was one of the best rope horses I've had.
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Location: texas | veintiocho - 2015-11-03 9:51 AM
MS2011 - 2015-11-02 4:03 PM
teamthompson - 2015-11-02 1:45 PM Clinton Anderson Says: "Don't let fear hold you back" "if you haven't wrecked a couple of horses, then you haven't tried hard enough" "what I mean is, when you are first learning, you sometimes, try so hard to succeed you might over train a horse and push limits too far" "the first horse you train using THE METHOD, is like the sacrificial lamb, your going to make mistakes, EXPECT IT, learn from it" He's not very high up there on my list of people I'd like to have start my colts......those sayins will move him further down the list.
Wow, I'd have to agree...the first colt I started had to put up with me learning on him, but he was totally NOT wrecked and was one of the best rope horses I've had.
Nothing like having someone you respect rope off a horse you trained and say "nice horse" when they hand them back to you.
veintiocho---- I agree too, congrats on ur accomplishment...
this CA saying applies to my mare, she is now 9yo and LORD knows I made my share of mistakes BUT guess what my kids can show her 4h in performance and speed classes, to me that says a lot......and they won their first performance buckle together, plus this mare is 6.5months pregnant and my kids are 8 and 5yo
most people aren't full time trainers, and u learn thru experience (some bad and some good), I say do it yourself and when the times comes if it does and u need help then go seek it..... good luck
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | I've sent several out now... I have trained myself but now I find it's just easier to do it this way. I will do ground work with them but send them for their first 30-60 days. I know life happens (for me) and I may put them on the back burner regretting it later so this is easier. I also got hurt once unexpectedly and with my income being the sole one now I can't afford to get hurt at this point in my life again if I can help it. I went through this decision process in the spring time with a filly I am super fond of; ended up sending one out and it was great for her and I.... She came back broke, calm and slick (knew more then I would have been able to teach in that amount of time); and I ended up pulling a lot of OT due to being short staffed... If I would have kept her I likely wouldn't have had the time. | |
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