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Trainer takes horses (2), says they will send a bill in the mail each month to be paid on each horse. Months go by, owners call trainer, trainer doesn't return phone calls but maybe once to say your horses are doing great. More months go by. Same stuff but by this point the trainer has just stopped answering phone calls or text messages. Word of mouth gets around and the horses have supposedly been boarded somewhere else, never were hauled to any races, haven't been rode by said trainer but just a handful of times. During this time, the owners are calling a few times a week asking for info, a bill- something. Over the period of over a year the owners receive 2 bills in the mail (30 day bills for random months) and less than half dozen phone calls. The horses are at a relatively well known trainers place (or so they should have been/ should be). The horses are 10 hours away from the owners house. No contracts were signed on these horses. Vet work was performed and billed to the owners (on one of the random 30 day bills) without consent in the beginning of the training. The trainer has sent in a text message after weeks of trying to get a hold of them that owners owes $7,000+ in bills and the owner has been trying to settle with the trainer and the trainer has stopped contact yet again.
Now, the owners have asked a friend that is near the trainers to go and pick up the horses, or get handled what he/she can. Owner has given power of attorney to the friend along with paperwork on the horses and whatever transactions have occurred on paper. Owner cannot leave and go take care of it.
**Do not talk trash about Owner. It is obvious there are faults on both end here. **Disclaimer- I am NOT the owner or trainer...
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| Go get the horses and not pay the bill!! Worry about the rest when or if it goes to court. I wouldn't tell the trainer I wasn't paying until I had the horses in my custody however. I can't believe the owner allowed that to continue past the second month, A YEAR is CRAZY!!! |
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Location: texas | oh no, sounds like a very sticky situation...
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| FlyingJT - 2015-11-03 9:33 AM
Go get the horses and not pay the bill!! Worry about the rest when or if it goes to court. I wouldn't tell the trainer I wasn't paying until I had the horses in my custody however. I can't believe the owner allowed that to continue past the second month, A YEAR is CRAZY!!!
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Location: Northwest Florida | I can't imagine how that went on that long. I would've been livid after 60 days of no bills/no contact.
However, it did... So I personally would get my horses back and see what happens. The trainer and this history of no contact doesn't sound to me like someone who would pursue this in court. If he/she did take it that far I would seek the advice of a lawyer.
With there being no contract stating the owners are to pay "X" amount of money monthly, I'm not sure how they could possibly be ordered to pay this trainer.
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I have seen 1 set of pictures of the horses during this time a few months ago and the horses looked in good health, out of shape but filled out fine. The owners have received 2 videos during this time. No entries were made on the horses to the owners knowledge.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If I were the owner I would have been at the trainers house to pick up my horses after a month of no contact from trainer and now its been a year?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | That situation is really a "sticky wicket".......
One.....your friend OWES money....no matter the quality, or lack of, training.......she left the horses there for a YEAR!
Two.......Legally, she (or her agent) should NOT just appear and load up the horses....if caught, they could be in big trouble. The trainer has the right to keep the horses until the bill is paid or may put a lien on the horses. That being said, I would probably try to get them....LOL.....hoping for the best and letting it play out in court.
There is just SO much wrong in this case that it is mind boggling!
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Location: IA | One of the first things that the friend that is going to pick up the horses NEEDS to do is get in contact with local law enforcement.
Several reasons for this, not only is the situation exceptionally sticky, but they are acting as an agent for the owners. Better have some legal documentation of that, and all the ducks lined out before setting one tire on the place.
Get ahold of the local law, let them know the situation and plans for reclaiming the property. Might want to even see if they will escort for the pickup. Law prefers to be called and notified ahead of time, rather than try to sort out the mess later. And it will keep that middle person a little cleaner in this situation. Trying to help a friend isn't going to keep them from getting into legal trouble for going onto someone's property and taking horses that don't belong to them.
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Location: Kansas | Hate to say it but the "owner" should of been smarter after a month passed with no info or bill.....big red flag. I know I would of done been at the "trainers" property or at least tracked down my horses, not wait a flipping year.
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Location: CTX | Mmm, so the trainer never billed them for 10 months out of the year, and the horses are not at the trainers place anymore??
Almost sounds like the trainer sold the horses after not getting paid multiple months....
Even if the owner is a long way away they should have paid... Even if the trainer did not send a bill every month....
Honestly, if I had my horse(s) some place and not get a bill for 2 months, I would have picked them up right there and then.
All in all a weird situation.
I assume you are the friend that is asked to go pick them up... Not sure if burning your fingers on that one would be worth it. You might be accused of stealing them, since there is at least 10 months back pay. (Not sure from your story of the 2 bills they did get were actually paid.)
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Location: Deep South | I would think the owner would have to pay the monies owed. What argument could they possibly present to court that would justify them leaving the horses in the trainer's care for a full year, but still think they not owe them money?
If they thought the horses were not being cared for, that something fishy was going on. or if they could not contact the trainer something should have been done WAY before a year, like within the first 60 days is my thinking. That is the argument I would use as a trainer if my client didn't want to pay. Why would you continue to leave the horses in my care if you were unsatisfied? |
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Location: That part of Texas | NJJ - 2015-11-03 10:12 AM That situation is really a "sticky wicket".......
One.....your friend OWES money....no matter the quality, or lack of, training.......she left the horses there for a YEAR!
Two.......Legally, she (or her agent) should NOT just appear and load up the horses....if caught, they could be in big trouble. The trainer has the right to keep the horses until the bill is paid or may put a lien on the horses. That being said, I would probably try to get them....LOL.....hoping for the best and letting it play out in court.
There is just SO much wrong in this case that it is mind boggling!
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Put yourself in the trainer's position. They probably have a similar tale of not being able to reach the owner by phone or text. Bills that have been sent probably haven't been paid or paid late. Owner doesn't seem to care much about the horses because they haven't been there to check on them in over a year. It's unclear at this point what training is probably needed so trainer keeps taking care of the horses because he/she feels they may be the only one who really cares about them. Then some "friend" of the owner shows up at the barn, demanding the horses and waiving papers around? And they're supposed to just let them go -- without knowing if that's really the case or what? No money on the bill paid and probably none coming in that they can count on because so much has been neglected.
If the owner isn't going to make more of an effort himself/herself to go in person to settle this matter, they need to exhaust (and I mean really exhaust) all possible forms of communication about this before sending that friend. Making some form of payment will probably result in calls being returned. Sending a friend over there is probably the worst thing that can happen right now.
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Location: Keeping up with the numbers! | I don't know that $7k sounds unreasonable for 2 horses for 12 months. That is a little less than $300 per month per horse. You mentioned their body condition was good weight wise and obviously someone would have had to either have trimmed or put shoes on their feet as well as a worming program. I understand the individual did not get the riding/training promised, but at this point I would pay the $7k get my horses and be happy they were at least in good condition. This is just my line of thinking. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2015-11-03 10:12 AM That situation is really a "sticky wicket".......
One.....your friend OWES money....no matter the quality, or lack of, training.......she left the horses there for a YEAR!
Two.......Legally, she (or her agent) should NOT just appear and load up the horses....if caught, they could be in big trouble. The trainer has the right to keep the horses until the bill is paid or may put a lien on the horses. That being said, I would probably try to get them....LOL.....hoping for the best and letting it play out in court.
There is just SO much wrong in this case that it is mind boggling!
I agree, the trainer has been feeding these horses for a year, if owner was so worried about horses why did they not go and check up on horses, if the trainer has been feeding then he/she is owed. Its been a year, why now is the owner decideing they want their horses back after all this time. Why did they not go to this trainers place after a month of no contact?
Your saying they know where the horses are to send someone to go get them, why wont the owner go pick up the horses themselves?
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Location: mi | BeanCounter - 2015-11-03 12:13 PM I don't know that $7k sounds unreasonable for 2 horses for 12 months. That is a little less than $300 per month per horse. You mentioned their body condition was good weight wise and obviously someone would have had to either have trimmed or put shoes on their feet as well as a worming program. I understand the individual did not get the riding/training promised, but at this point I would pay the $7k get my horses and be happy they were at least in good condition. This is just my line of thinking.
This is what I was thinking too. $300 a month is a very reasonable boarding facility in my area. So if they are in good shape and no worse for wear that amount is not too outstanding for a years worth the board for 2 horses. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-03 11:20 AM NJJ - 2015-11-03 10:12 AM That situation is really a "sticky wicket".......
One.....your friend OWES money....no matter the quality, or lack of, training.......she left the horses there for a YEAR!
Two.......Legally, she (or her agent) should NOT just appear and load up the horses....if caught, they could be in big trouble. The trainer has the right to keep the horses until the bill is paid or may put a lien on the horses. That being said, I would probably try to get them....LOL.....hoping for the best and letting it play out in court.
There is just SO much wrong in this case that it is mind boggling!
I agree, the trainer has been feeding these horses for a year, if owner was so worried about horses why did they not go and check up on horses, if the trainer has been feeding then he/she is owed. Its been a year, why now is the owner decideing they want their horses back after all this time. Why did they not go to this trainers place after a month of no contact?
Your saying they know where the horses are to send someone to go get them, why wont the owner go pick up the horses themselves?
The OP said the "trainer" was 10 hours away and the friend lived close by... Maybe it is easier for the friend to deal with all this mess rather than the owner? I'm not sure I would put a friend in that situation if I was the owner. Kind of mean in my opinion to put a friend in that situation... But again, that's just my opinion.
I do agree with the OP that many mistakes were made from both sides. However, the trainer can legally put a lien on the horses in order to get paid.
I know if a vehicle is left at a body/repair shop for a year or longer, the vehicle becomes property of the mechanic/owner and can be sold in order to cover loses. I'm curious if this is the case with livestock. Would be worth checking on.
It may have stated it, but was there a contract signed? If not, it will be interesting to see it play out in court. I would be printing out all the evidence of trying to contact the trainer as well.
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Location: north dakota | The owner should make arrangements for her friend to pick up the horses. The friend should have a check/ money order for the training bill and give it to trainer at time of pickup. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2015-11-03 11:39 AM Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-03 11:20 AM NJJ - 2015-11-03 10:12 AM That situation is really a "sticky wicket".......
One.....your friend OWES money....no matter the quality, or lack of, training.......she left the horses there for a YEAR!
Two.......Legally, she (or her agent) should NOT just appear and load up the horses....if caught, they could be in big trouble. The trainer has the right to keep the horses until the bill is paid or may put a lien on the horses. That being said, I would probably try to get them....LOL.....hoping for the best and letting it play out in court.
There is just SO much wrong in this case that it is mind boggling!
I agree, the trainer has been feeding these horses for a year, if owner was so worried about horses why did they not go and check up on horses, if the trainer has been feeding then he/she is owed. Its been a year, why now is the owner decideing they want their horses back after all this time. Why did they not go to this trainers place after a month of no contact?
Your saying they know where the horses are to send someone to go get them, why wont the owner go pick up the horses themselves?
I do agree with the OP that many mistakes were made from both sides. However, the trainer can legally put a lien on the horses in order to get paid.
I know if a vehicle is left at a body/repair shop for a year or longer, the vehicle becomes property of the mechanic/owner and can be sold in order to cover loses. I'm curious if this is the case with livestock. Would be worth checking on.
It may have stated it, but was there a contract signed? If not, it will be interesting to see it play out in court. I would be printing out all the evidence of trying to contact the trainer as well.
Glad the horses were taken care of tho. Weird deal...
I know that the horses are 10 hours away I understand that, but I would think that the owner herself should be the one to pay the trainer and pick up her own horses,not to put a friend in a situation like this. But its been a year. Like another poster said send the money and get these horses payed off and if the friend has to pick up the horses at least the money part will be taken care of. |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2015-11-03 9:23 AM
I can't give a lot of details.
Trainer takes horses (2), says they will send a bill in the mail each month to be paid on each horse. Months go by, owners call trainer, trainer doesn't return phone calls but maybe once to say your horses are doing great. More months go by. Same stuff but by this point the trainer has just stopped answering phone calls or text messages. Word of mouth gets around and the horses have supposedly been boarded somewhere else, never were hauled to any races, haven't been rode by said trainer but just a handful of times. During this time, the owners are calling a few times a week asking for info, a bill- something. Over the period of over a year the owners receive 2 bills in the mail (30 day bills for random months) and less than half dozen phone calls. The horses are at a relatively well known trainers place (or so they should have been/ should be). The horses are 10 hours away from the owners house. No contracts were signed on these horses. Vet work was performed and billed to the owners (on one of the random 30 day bills) without consent in the beginning of the training. The trainer has sent in a text message after weeks of trying to get a hold of them that owners owes $7,000+ in bills and the owner has been trying to settle with the trainer and the trainer has stopped contact yet again.
Now, the owners have asked a friend that is near the trainers to go and pick up the horses, or get handled what he/she can. Owner has given power of attorney to the friend along with paperwork on the horses and whatever transactions have occurred on paper. Owner cannot leave and go take care of it.
**Do not talk trash about Owner. It is obvious there are faults on both end here. **Disclaimer- I am NOT the owner or trainer...
What would you do now? Argue the bill or try to just pay it and pick up your animals? Just show up with a trailer one day?
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With that said, you may want to check into the civil laws. I believe there is some law about if someone doesnt pay for a horse for x amount of time, a boarding facility has the right to disperse them to cover their costs. |
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Location: CTX | caboy61 - 2015-11-03 12:06 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-11-03 9:23 AM I can't give a lot of details. Trainer takes horses (2), says they will send a bill in the mail each month to be paid on each horse. Months go by, owners call trainer, trainer doesn't return phone calls but maybe once to say your horses are doing great. More months go by. Same stuff but by this point the trainer has just stopped answering phone calls or text messages. Word of mouth gets around and the horses have supposedly been boarded somewhere else, never were hauled to any races, haven't been rode by said trainer but just a handful of times. During this time, the owners are calling a few times a week asking for info, a bill- something. Over the period of over a year the owners receive 2 bills in the mail (30 day bills for random months) and less than half dozen phone calls. The horses are at a relatively well known trainers place (or so they should have been/ should be). The horses are 10 hours away from the owners house. No contracts were signed on these horses. Vet work was performed and billed to the owners (on one of the random 30 day bills) without consent in the beginning of the training. The trainer has sent in a text message after weeks of trying to get a hold of them that owners owes $7,000+ in bills and the owner has been trying to settle with the trainer and the trainer has stopped contact yet again. Now, the owners have asked a friend that is near the trainers to go and pick up the horses, or get handled what he/she can. Owner has given power of attorney to the friend along with paperwork on the horses and whatever transactions have occurred on paper. Owner cannot leave and go take care of it. **Do not talk trash about Owner. It is obvious there are faults on both end here. **Disclaimer- I am NOT the owner or trainer... What would you do now? Argue the bill or try to just pay it and pick up your animals? Just show up with a trailer one day? So if you aren't the owner or trainer, why are you involved AND posting this?
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Location: North Dakota | Personally, if I don't get updates from the trainer when I ask for them, I am coming to get my horse and bring them home.
And if the trainer didn't send me a bill for the first month like they said they would, again, horses are going to come home.
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Bad situation to get into, but ultimately, the owner should have taken action much sooner. At this point, owner should pay the bill, get their horses, and move on. $7,000 for a year of training on 2 horses isn't that bad. That only works out to $300 a month per horse.
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| BeanCounter - 2015-11-03 11:13 AM I don't know that $7k sounds unreasonable for 2 horses for 12 months. That is a little less than $300 per month per horse. You mentioned their body condition was good weight wise and obviously someone would have had to either have trimmed or put shoes on their feet as well as a worming program. I understand the individual did not get the riding/training promised, but at this point I would pay the $7k get my horses and be happy they were at least in good condition. This is just my line of thinking.
Ditto, pay the bill and get the horses. They chose to leave them there for a year- no excuses because of distance, lack of communication, etc. They could have picked up the horses a long time ago. They owe the trainer who is being very reasonable in what he/she is charging. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | stayceem - 2015-11-03 12:08 PM I agree with those stating she needs to pay and pickup the horses. Again, so much wrong with the owner's actions in this... With that said, you may want to check into the civil laws. I believe there is some law about if someone doesnt pay for a horse for x amount of time, a boarding facility has the right to disperse them to cover their costs.
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Location: South Central Florida | Was there an agreed upon price to begin with? Were the horses supposed to be entered in races? If so who was supposed to pay for that? What was the original agreement?
I understand there is a lot wrong on both sides, but if you post, your going to get some bashing. . .it is an opinion on the situation.
I can't imagine going a year with out seeing my horses, if I could not reach the trainer, would have made arrangements to pick up or have picked up the horses.
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| NJJ - 2015-11-03 12:55 PM
stayceem - 2015-11-03 12:08 PM I agree with those stating she needs to pay and pickup the horses. Again, so much wrong with the owner's actions in this... With that said, you may want to check into the civil laws. I believe there is some law about if someone doesnt pay for a horse for x amount of time, a boarding facility has the right to disperse them to cover their costs.
Depends on the state.........
Right, I know MN has one but I am not sure what other states do or if all do. Certainly worth looking into as the horses may have been sold due to non-payment. |
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Location: So. California | teehaha - 2015-11-03 12:16 PM I guess I'm confused. Is the owner disputing the dollar amount (which sounded very reasoable to me)? Surely they don't expect full board and care for a year for nothing.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | streakysox - 2015-11-03 1:50 PM I dropped my horse off at a trainer and did not hear from him in 10 days. Had left repeated voicemails, sent texts etc. Finally, got the guy on the phone and he said he could not do anything with the horse. I did not think the situation would improve so (after i dropped my cell phone in the toilet) I went and picked the horse up unannounced. This was after TEN DAYS. So not hearing from a trainer for a year and not doing anything about it sounds a little strange. There are two sides to every story. If I were a trainer and someone owed me $7000 I would not be letting them have their horses back. Race trainers sell horses all the time for nonpayment.
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The owner is not disputing the bill. She just wants her horses back and it all to be over with but she can't get the trainer to contact her back about settling the bill either. The contact back and forth has been pertaining to sending money and checking on the horses and the trainer has been very neglectful in that aspect. I just don't understand why... Why would someone turn that kind of money down?
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Location: Florida.. | For one.... did Owner think trainer was feeding for free ,, trainer should have contacted owner and returned calls and shouldnt have moved horses But surely without a bill there was a agreement on amount per month and she should have mailed monthly ... there is holes in the story Im sorry but if friend goes to get horses they can be arrested for theft.. Owner might want friends to get horses because she knows she was in the wrong to for past debt..
sorry but she needs to pay and be done with it.. lesson learned.. get a contract and check on horses.. and pay monthly no matter what..
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Location: Florida.. | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-11-03 6:07 PM I'm afraid the horses are gone. I don't know why else the trainer would have been so "ok" (no contact to the owner) with keeping and feeding them for this long. The owner is not disputing the bill. She just wants her horses back and it all to be over with but she can't get the trainer to contact her back about settling the bill either. The contact back and forth has been pertaining to sending money and checking on the horses and the trainer has been very neglectful in that aspect. I just don't understand why... Why would someone turn that kind of money down? It's all just very very fishy to me. Always has been....
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bibliafarm - 2015-11-03 5:18 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-11-03 6:07 PM I'm afraid the horses are gone. I don't know why else the trainer would have been so "ok" (no contact to the owner) with keeping and feeding them for this long. The owner is not disputing the bill. She just wants her horses back and it all to be over with but she can't get the trainer to contact her back about settling the bill either. The contact back and forth has been pertaining to sending money and checking on the horses and the trainer has been very neglectful in that aspect. I just don't understand why... Why would someone turn that kind of money down? It's all just very very fishy to me. Always has been.... so now she says trainer turned the money down? very confusing..
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| Several scenarios could be happening here. The trainer could be a crook and may have sold the horses months ago using the excuse "not paid". The trainer may be hoping they default long enough to put a labor lien on the horses and take ownership of them. The trainer may be perfectly innocent and quit training due to lack of payment so they are only charging boarding. I have never seen a trainer refuse to accept money so I smell a rat there. Regardless the owner should have paid on a frequent basis and the owner should have had someone actually go see their horses in person on a frequent basis. I would NOT dare go pick those horses up if I were anyone except the owner and the owner should expect to pay the bill in full when they pick up the horses. It may be a good idea for the owner to send someone to confirm the location of the horses before they make the long trip. Then I would show up unannounced to pick them up before they "disappear". I think we are missing some key facts to this story. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | NJJ - 2015-11-03 7:10 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-03 5:18 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-11-03 6:07 PM I'm afraid the horses are gone. I don't know why else the trainer would have been so "ok" (no contact to the owner) with keeping and feeding them for this long. The owner is not disputing the bill. She just wants her horses back and it all to be over with but she can't get the trainer to contact her back about settling the bill either. The contact back and forth has been pertaining to sending money and checking on the horses and the trainer has been very neglectful in that aspect. I just don't understand why... Why would someone turn that kind of money down? It's all just very very fishy to me. Always has been.... so now she says trainer turned the money down? very confusing..
agree... and I feel that the OP doesnt know ..the whole story..
pay the bill and go get horses and be done . Id not talk bad about trainer at this point in your real life either for it doesnt sound like you know the real story.. |
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Expert
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | This whole thing is so confusing...
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-11-03 7:19 PM
NJJ - 2015-11-03 7:10 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-03 5:18 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-11-03 6:07 PM I'm afraid the horses are gone. I don't know why else the trainer would have been so "ok" (no contact to the owner) with keeping and feeding them for this long. The owner is not disputing the bill. She just wants her horses back and it all to be over with but she can't get the trainer to contact her back about settling the bill either. The contact back and forth has been pertaining to sending money and checking on the horses and the trainer has been very neglectful in that aspect. I just don't understand why... Why would someone turn that kind of money down? It's all just very very fishy to me. Always has been.... so now she says trainer turned the money down? very confusing..
pay the bill and go get horses and be done . Id not talk bad about trainer at this point in your real life either for it doesnt sound like you know the real story..
I also wonder about the whole story. I just know what I have been told, have not spoken with the trainer, only the owner. I haven't talked to anyone about who any of these people are, and will not.
The whole story just sounded fishy so I wanted the mass's OP on the deal. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | I would just stay away from that situation. |
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Sock Snob
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| You cant just sell the horses with out send a reg. Letter trying to collect on the lein. The owner did not pay and by the trainer not having the horses in there person. Contract or no contract. |
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| daisycake123 - 2015-11-05 6:03 AM
You cant just sell the horses with out send a reg. Letter trying to collect on the lein. The owner did not pay and by the trainer not having the horses in there person. Contract or no contract.
I understand the first half about the reg letter, but not the second about not having the horses at their place. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-11-03 7:19 PM
NJJ - 2015-11-03 7:10 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-03 5:18 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2015-11-03 6:07 PM I'm afraid the horses are gone. I don't know why else the trainer would have been so "ok" (no contact to the owner) with keeping and feeding them for this long. The owner is not disputing the bill. She just wants her horses back and it all to be over with but she can't get the trainer to contact her back about settling the bill either. The contact back and forth has been pertaining to sending money and checking on the horses and the trainer has been very neglectful in that aspect. I just don't understand why... Why would someone turn that kind of money down? It's all just very very fishy to me. Always has been.... so now she says trainer turned the money down? very confusing..
pay the bill and go get horses and be done . Id not talk bad about trainer at this point in your real life either for it doesnt sound like you know the real story..
Also just wanted to clarify she never said that the trainer "turned the money down." Those words were my interpretation of not contacting someone back who's trying to pay you. IMO that would be turning the money down.
**I do agree I don't have both sides ect, I just wanted to clarify the above. |
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Location: Canada | I haven't read all the posts but something to me sounds off. Its only 10 hours, the owners should make the drive and discuss this situation in person.
They left their horses for a year and didn't think to go check them now they want a friend to go deal with it. In my mind red flags are flying everywhere.
This is their mess and I think they need to go and meet the trainer, agree on a payment and pick up their horses.
Its only 10 hours!!!!!! |
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 Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | If you, the OP, are asking if you should go pick the horses up.....NO. It's none of your business, and depending on the circumstances you could be in legal trouble. Are you getting both sides of the story straight from each side? If this friends was truly a good friend, they would have never put you in the middle to begin with. |
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Boot Detective
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| daisycake123 - 2015-11-05 6:03 AM
You cant just sell the horses with out send a reg. Letter trying to collect on the lein. The owner did not pay and by the trainer not having the horses in there person. Contract or no contract.
Legally, they can't sell them but it has happened in the past. (different people involved). |
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I would sent a certified letter via an attorney to demand the balance due and a place to meet for an exchange of horses and payment. If arrangements not made by a certain date, expect legal action as to reporting the horses stolen. If the owner does this, I would think the ball is their court that you made an effort to pay and retrieve their property. After the exchange is made, you could file small claims to go after the lack of training done on horses.
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Location: Texas Big Country | Owner asks "friend" to step into this situation and pick up the horses. When I was a kid we used to say "With friends like that - who needs enemies?" Friend - don't walk away from this ---- RUN! |
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Nut Case Expert
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | I will never get people who leave a horse or horses with a trainer, a boarding facility, etc and then just check out indefinitely. The health and welfare of the animal is ultimately the responsibility of the owner. How do you just ignore that?? |
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