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| His father stands for 150,000 and is a proven producer. AP of course has a much better race record(duh) However Tapit is the leading yearly and two year old sire and stands for 300,000. So I think it will be 175,000 for his first year. If his colts sell well as yearly's and can run well as two year olds I think it will go north of 300,000. Just my guess LOL. |
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| jbhoot - 2015-11-03 7:01 PM
His father stands for 150,000 and is a proven producer. AP of course has a much better race record(duh) However Tapit is the leading yearly and two year old sire and stands for 300,000. So I think it will be 175,000 for his first year. If his colts sell well as yearly's and can run well as two year olds I think it will go north of 300,000. Just my guess LOL.
Pioneer of the Nile's stud fee in 2015 was $60,000.00. For 2016 it's $125,000.00. |
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Location: Florida.. | Lil_Pony35 - 2015-11-03 8:13 PM Anyone want to donate the fee to mer personally? HAHA, I'll be sure to pay you back!
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| BMW - 2015-11-03 8:21 PM
jbhoot - 2015-11-03 7:01 PM
His father stands for 150,000 and is a proven producer. AP of course has a much better race record(duh) However Tapit is the leading yearly and two year old sire and stands for 300,000. So I think it will be 175,000 for his first year. If his colts sell well as yearly's and can run well as two year olds I think it will go north of 300,000. Just my guess LOL.
Pioneer of the Nile's stud fee in 2015 was $60,000.00. For 2016 it's $125,000.00.
No the advertised price that was posted of 125,000 was only if you booked early before the breeder's cup. and is expected to go up as of oct. 29 The rumored price is now 150,000 but may be higher. |
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jbhoot - 2015-11-03 7:01 PM
His father stands for 150,000 and is a proven producer. AP of course has a much better race record(duh) However Tapit is the leading yearly and two year old sire and stands for 300,000. So I think it will be 175,000 for his first year. If his colts sell well as yearly's and can run well as two year olds I think it will go north of 300,000. Just my guess LOL.
Pioneer of the Nile's stud fee in 2015 was $60,000.00. For 2016 it's $125,000.00.
No the advertised price that was posted of 125,000 was only if you booked early before the breeder's cup. and is expected to go up as of oct. 29 The rumored price is now 150,000 but may be higher.
Sounds like they're gonna price themselves out of the market. I'd be more interested in going to Empire Maker. |
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Location: Durango CO | Bibliafarm - 2015-11-03 7:22 PM
Lil_Pony35 - 2015-11-03 8:13 PM Anyone want to donate the fee to mer personally? HAHA, I'll be sure to pay you back!
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2015-11-03 8:40 PM
BMW - 2015-11-03 8:21 PM
jbhoot - 2015-11-03 7:01 PM
His father stands for 150,000 and is a proven producer. AP of course has a much better race record(duh) However Tapit is the leading yearly and two year old sire and stands for 300,000. So I think it will be 175,000 for his first year. If his colts sell well as yearly's and can run well as two year olds I think it will go north of 300,000. Just my guess LOL.
Pioneer of the Nile's stud fee in 2015 was $60,000.00. For 2016 it's $125,000.00.
No the advertised price that was posted of 125,000 was only if you booked early before the breeder's cup. and is expected to go up as of oct. 29 The rumored price is now 150,000 but may be higher.
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Location: Oklahoma | Thinking conservative would be 150k. I think he will be more 200-225k |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | TwistedK - 2015-11-04 8:12 AM Thinking conservative would be 150k. I think he will be more 200-225k
tk you got any inside track on those numbers from days gone bye??? |
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Location: Oklahoma | luluwhit - 2015-11-04 7:20 AM
TwistedK - 2015-11-04 8:12 AM Thinking conservative would be 150k. I think he will be more 200-225k
tk you got any inside track on those numbers from days gone bye???
It's so hard to compare... he's the first triple crown winner since 1978... That says A LOT. Plus he just won the Classic... Knowing that Medaglia d'Oro entered stud for $50k in 2004 and won or placed in 8 out of 10 lifetime starts in GI or GII races...
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Location: Northwest Florida | Murphy - 2015-11-03 6:32 PM
I saw a recent article that states 175-200k. I bought tickets to see him at Coolhorse in December. I'm pumped!
Murphy- Where can I buy these tickets?? |
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Location: Kansas | Bibliafarm - 2015-11-03 8:22 PM Lil_Pony35 - 2015-11-03 8:13 PM Anyone want to donate the fee to mer personally? HAHA, I'll be sure to pay you back! start a GOFUNDME!!
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Location: Where I am happiest | You will be able to track him, and his fee by going to Coolmore's website. www.coolmore.com. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Looking at the sale results for the Keeneland November sale, it's nice to see the numbers back up there. There are some outstanding individuals being offered and sold. Based on seeing that... I'm thinking AP will definitely be in the 200-225k stud fee range. |
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Location: texas | I read where they stated he will make well over $20 million in overall stud fees, it didn't say a time frame tho.... |
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Location: Oklahoma | teamthompson - 2015-11-04 8:08 AM
I read where they stated he will make well over $20 million in overall stud fees, it didn't say a time frame tho....
If they set his fee at 200k and close his book at 100 mares... There is your $20 mil. |
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| How often does a full sibling to a champion like this ever reach the same level of success? I'd love to see examples if anyone has some off the top of their heads. |
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Location: Kentucky | RidenFly - 2015-11-04 11:12 AM
How often does a full sibling to a champion like this ever reach the same level of success? I'd love to see examples if anyone has some off the top of their heads.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/84307/a-case-for-fu...
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Location: Oklahoma | RidenFly - 2015-11-04 10:12 AM
How often does a full sibling to a champion like this ever reach the same level of success? I'd love to see examples if anyone has some off the top of their heads.
There are not many. |
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Location: Always on call..... | Very interesting. Thanks for the link.
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Location: Oklahoma | MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 12:59 PM
I really thought they would wait a while to breed him to the public and maybe only their own mares.....they really dont NEED the money.
They sold 50% of him to Coolmore. He will most likely breed a book of 100-150 mares. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Murphy - 2015-11-04 1:20 PM
I nominate my mare for a test breeding.
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Location: MN | TwistedK - 2015-11-04 1:08 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 12:59 PM I really thought they would wait a while to breed him to the public and maybe only their own mares.....they really dont NEED the money. They sold 50% of him to Coolmore. He will most likely breed a book of 100-150 mares.
I was at Churchill Downs a month ago and heard they are going to be shipping him to Australia for half the year to utilize him there for their breeding season (durring our off season), too. Does Australia have a big TB industry? |
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Location: Oklahoma | racintime - 2015-11-04 1:34 PM
TwistedK - 2015-11-04 1:08 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 12:59 PM I really thought they would wait a while to breed him to the public and maybe only their own mares.....they really dont NEED the money. They sold 50% of him to Coolmore. He will most likely breed a book of 100-150 mares.
Yes, Australia has a big market. Coolmore owns a stud farm down there and many of their stallions shuttle. |
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Location: Oklahoma | MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 2:08 PM
can zenyatta get in on that action? No pun intended.
It would depend on how she nicks with him. I don't have access to the nicking tools anymore... |
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Location: North Pole | TwistedK - 2015-11-04 1:08 PM
MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 12:59 PM
I really thought they would wait a while to breed him to the public and maybe only their own mares.....they really dont NEED the money.
They sold 50% of him to Coolmore. He will most likely breed a book of 100-150 mares.
In one breeding season? Or forever? I know NOTHING about the TB industry, but am very interested in learning. |
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Location: PNW | BHW_SECRET_SANTA - 2015-11-04 8:53 PM
TwistedK - 2015-11-04 1:08 PM
MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 12:59 PM
I really thought they would wait a while to breed him to the public and maybe only their own mares.....they really dont NEED the money.
They sold 50% of him to Coolmore. He will most likely breed a book of 100-150 mares.
In one breeding season? Or forever? I know NOTHING about the TB industry, but am very interested in learning.
This was my question. I forgot to switch back to my personal account. Whoops. |
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Location: Oklahoma | svincent - 2015-11-04 11:00 PM
BHW_SECRET_SANTA - 2015-11-04 8:53 PM
TwistedK - 2015-11-04 1:08 PM
MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 12:59 PM
I really thought they would wait a while to breed him to the public and maybe only their own mares.....they really dont NEED the money.
They sold 50% of him to Coolmore. He will most likely breed a book of 100-150 mares.
In one breeding season? Or forever? I know NOTHING about the TB industry, but am very interested in learning.
This was my question. I forgot to switch back to my personal account. Whoops.
If they set his stud fee at $200,000 and he covers 100 mares it will be $20mil for the season. There are a lot of factors though. If he's a syndicated stallion, syndicate members get a breeding but they've paid a pretty penny to get a share of the stallion. It doesn't sound like he's been syndicated though. Most stud fees have variable terms too. Some are payable by September 1st of the year bred, some are due when the foal stands and nurses. Then, in a few select cases stud fees can be considered a foal share... that is payable when the foal is sold at auction either as a weanling or a yearling. Usually the stallion owner gets the first $xx amount, the mare owner get the next $xx amount, then the rest is split between the parties. |
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| BHW_SECRET_SANTA - 2015-11-04 11:53 PM
TwistedK - 2015-11-04 1:08 PM
MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 12:59 PM
I really thought they would wait a while to breed him to the public and maybe only their own mares.....they really dont NEED the money.
They sold 50% of him to Coolmore. He will most likely breed a book of 100-150 mares.
In one breeding season? Or forever? I know NOTHING about the TB industry, but am very interested in learning.
One season easily. Even only getting bred 4x a week in the US breeding season (Feb-June) is 80 mares, and most get bred more than that, plus if he goes to Australia, there is another 80+ mares.
People keep posting how they think he will miss racing, come breeding season he won't care that he doesn't race anymore with how busy the breeding shed will keep him. haha |
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Location: Illinois | If he produces successful babies his price will fluctuate again. Storm Cat was $500K for awhile and then dropped back to $300K. If they're "hot" in the market their price will go up because the people breeding to him won't care about a few hundred thousand $ difference, that's pocket change for them. If he turns out to be a fluke like Secretariat was & his babies aren't successful it will drop way down. With them only being allowed to breed a certain number of mares each year I'm sure there will be no shortage in bookings no matter what the stud fee is. If he produces well I imagine his fee will rival Storm Cat. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I think I remember before the race that they said AP daddy Pioneer of the Nile's stud fee had been @75K and went up to 125K after AP won the TC...so I'm guessing AP will start out at least at the 125K mark. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2015-11-05 8:26 AM If he produces successful babies his price will fluctuate again. Storm Cat was $500K for awhile and then dropped back to $300K. If they're "hot" in the market their price will go up because the people breeding to him won't care about a few hundred thousand $ difference, that's pocket change for them. If he turns out to be a fluke like Secretariat was & his babies aren't successful it will drop way down. With them only being allowed to breed a certain number of mares each year I'm sure there will be no shortage in bookings no matter what the stud fee is. If he produces well I imagine his fee will rival Storm Cat.
True and I am kind of guessing that the people that can afford the $100k won't bat an eye at $300k. I bet neither fee breaks the bank lol. Now to go buy a lottery ticket. I'm already married and he's no sugar daddy.
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Location: North Pole | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-11-05 8:56 AM
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MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 12:59 PM
I really thought they would wait a while to breed him to the public and maybe only their own mares.....they really dont NEED the money.
They sold 50% of him to Coolmore. He will most likely breed a book of 100-150 mares.
In one breeding season? Or forever? I know NOTHING about the TB industry, but am very interested in learning.
One season easily. Even only getting bred 4x a week in the US breeding season (Feb-June ) is 80 mares, and most get bred more than that, plus if he goes to Australia, there is another 80+ mares.
People keep posting how they think he will miss racing, come breeding season he won't care that he doesn't race anymore with how busy the breeding shed will keep him. haha
Oh I totally believe he can bring in that many mares, but I know TB peeps do things differently and I wasn't sure whether those 100 mares were the limit for the one season, or forever. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | BHW_SECRET_SANTA - 2015-11-05 5:51 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-11-05 8:56 AM
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TwistedK - 2015-11-04 1:08 PM
MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 12:59 PM
I really thought they would wait a while to breed him to the public and maybe only their own mares.....they really dont NEED the money.
They sold 50% of him to Coolmore. He will most likely breed a book of 100-150 mares.
In one breeding season? Or forever? I know NOTHING about the TB industry, but am very interested in learning.
One season easily. Even only getting bred 4x a week in the US breeding season (Feb-June ) is 80 mares, and most get bred more than that, plus if he goes to Australia, there is another 80+ mares.
People keep posting how they think he will miss racing, come breeding season he won't care that he doesn't race anymore with how busy the breeding shed will keep him. haha
Oh I totally believe he can bring in that many mares, but I know TB peeps do things differently and I wasn't sure whether those 100 mares were the limit for the one season, or forever.
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | BMW - 2015-11-03 9:45 PM jbhoot - 2015-11-03 8:40 PM BMW - 2015-11-03 8:21 PM jbhoot - 2015-11-03 7:01 PM His father stands for 150,000 and is a proven producer. AP of course has a much better race record(duh) However Tapit is the leading yearly and two year old sire and stands for 300,000. So I think it will be 175,000 for his first year. If his colts sell well as yearly's and can run well as two year olds I think it will go north of 300,000. Just my guess LOL. Pioneer of the Nile's stud fee in 2015 was $60,000.00. For 2016 it's $125,000.00. No the advertised price that was posted of 125,000 was only if you booked early before the breeder's cup. and is expected to go up as of oct. 29 The rumored price is now 150,000 but may be higher. Sounds like they're gonna price themselves out of the market. I'd be more interested in going to Empire Maker.
He's a Triple Crown Winner and the BC winner...I don't know if it's even possible to price him out of the market at this point..... |
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Location: guthrie | $200,000 is what he will stand for
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| missroselee - 2015-11-05 7:34 PM
BMW - 2015-11-03 9:45 PM jbhoot - 2015-11-03 8:40 PM BMW - 2015-11-03 8:21 PM jbhoot - 2015-11-03 7:01 PM His father stands for 150,000 and is a proven producer. AP of course has a much better race record(duh) However Tapit is the leading yearly and two year old sire and stands for 300,000. So I think it will be 175,000 for his first year. If his colts sell well as yearly's and can run well as two year olds I think it will go north of 300,000. Just my guess LOL. Pioneer of the Nile's stud fee in 2015 was $60,000.00. For 2016 it's $125,000.00. No the advertised price that was posted of 125,000 was only if you booked early before the breeder's cup. and is expected to go up as of oct. 29 The rumored price is now 150,000 but may be higher. Sounds like they're gonna price themselves out of the market. I'd be more interested in going to Empire Maker.
She was talking about his father not AP. |
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Location: Oklahoma | $200,000 is right where I felt they would price him. It's not out of the market. You don't have anything to compare him to. We haven't had a Triple Crown winner since 1978 plus he won the Breeder's Cup. I'm excited to see the book of mares he gets. |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-11-05 8:56 AM
BHW_SECRET_SANTA - 2015-11-04 11:53 PM
TwistedK - 2015-11-04 1:08 PM
MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 12:59 PM
I really thought they would wait a while to breed him to the public and maybe only their own mares.....they really dont NEED the money.
They sold 50% of him to Coolmore. He will most likely breed a book of 100-150 mares.
In one breeding season? Or forever? I know NOTHING about the TB industry, but am very interested in learning.
One season easily. Even only getting bred 4x a week in the US breeding season (Feb-June ) is 80 mares, and most get bred more than that, plus if he goes to Australia, there is another 80+ mares.
People keep posting how they think he will miss racing, come breeding season he won't care that he doesn't race anymore with how busy the breeding shed will keep him. haha
Several TBs are breeding over 150 mares a season. I/m not saying AP will breed that many, but it is possible. |
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| BMW - 2015-11-06 11:12 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-11-05 8:56 AM
BHW_SECRET_SANTA - 2015-11-04 11:53 PM
TwistedK - 2015-11-04 1:08 PM
MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 12:59 PM
I really thought they would wait a while to breed him to the public and maybe only their own mares.....they really dont NEED the money.
They sold 50% of him to Coolmore. He will most likely breed a book of 100-150 mares.
In one breeding season? Or forever? I know NOTHING about the TB industry, but am very interested in learning.
One season easily. Even only getting bred 4x a week in the US breeding season (Feb-June ) is 80 mares, and most get bred more than that, plus if he goes to Australia, there is another 80+ mares.
People keep posting how they think he will miss racing, come breeding season he won't care that he doesn't race anymore with how busy the breeding shed will keep him. haha
Several TBs are breeding over 150 mares a season. I/m not saying AP will breed that many, but it is possible.
Lol I know that, which is why I said most easily see more than that. But I was giving an bit of insight that the number really isn't that high. Only 4 days a week gets 80, which is nothing for a stud horse. |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2015-11-05 9:26 AM
If he produces successful babies his price will fluctuate again. Storm Cat was $500K for awhile and then dropped back to $300K. If they're "hot" in the market their price will go up because the people breeding to him won't care about a few hundred thousand $ difference, that's pocket change for them. If he turns out to be a fluke like Secretariat was & his babies aren't successful it will drop way down. With them only being allowed to breed a certain number of mares each year I'm sure there will be no shortage in bookings no matter what the stud fee is. If he produces well I imagine his fee will rival Storm Cat.
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| TyE - 2015-11-08 11:10 AM
What's Rachel Alexandria been up to? I keep up with Zenyattas FB page, but was curious about RA.
She's retired. Too many issues foaling. That's all I've heard about her. |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-11-08 11:35 AM
TyE - 2015-11-08 11:10 AM
What's Rachel Alexandria been up to? I keep up with Zenyattas FB page, but was curious about RA.
She's retired. Too many issues foaling. That's all I've heard about her.
Both her foals are winners. Two year old filly just ran second in Breeders" Cup two yerold filly race. She has two wins and second in three outs. Three year old stud colt broke his maiden at first asking-now injured but should come back to run |
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| BMW - 2015-11-08 8:10 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-11-08 11:35 AM
TyE - 2015-11-08 11:10 AM
What's Rachel Alexandria been up to? I keep up with Zenyattas FB page, but was curious about RA.
She's retired. Too many issues foaling. That's all I've heard about her.
Both her foals are winners. Two year old filly just ran second in Breeders" Cup two yerold filly race. She has two wins and second in three outs. Three year old stud colt broke his maiden at first asking-now injured but should come back to run
I meant I hadn't heard anything about Rachel herself, I've heard plenty about her foals. I feel bad already for RA's filly though, because she has a long line of poor reproducing mares to follow when she retires. |
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| FYI The Paulick Report, a horse racing site, is doing a poll on AP's stud fee. So far a little over 1200 have voted and 60% think fee is too high, 34% think it's about right and 6% think it's too low. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | BMW - 2015-11-10 4:56 PM FYI The Paulick Report, a horse racing site, is doing a poll on AP's stud fee. So far a little over 1200 have voted and 60% think fee is too high, 34% think it's about right and 6% think it's too low.
To the right breeders/farms/owners/millionaires, I would think it's just right. To the average Joe I would think it's too high. I personally think it's extremely low for him. I was thinking it would be at least 1Million.... Then again when I was in search of a stud for my girl, I was having a hard time grasping a $1500 fee from a grandsire of a somebody. LOL !! |
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