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Location: Where I am happiest | Let me start by saying this isnt about any one person in particular, as many could be included. However, I am wondering, how important is it to you that those who are looked up to, or those who are the "elite" are actually good people in their so called "private" lives or the means they used to get to where they are? Although, when one is one of the "elites" in any givin field, then they are on everybodys radar and people, media, ect. will talk simply because they are who they are. I'm talking political leaders, movie star's and the sports elites of any givin sport including our own. How is it, that because someone is so n so, they seem to get a free pass on their actions by so many? Is what type of person someone actually is not important anymore? Or is it all ok simply because of who they are or what they have accomplished? We all see it over and over again and it really makes me wonder. |
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Location: Florida.. | Truthfully wrong is wrong no matter who you are.. I dont follow any person and I certainly dont give free passes on my judgement of them as a good person But I also dont feel private lives are anyones business.. if it affects me or my family or our country yes I do think its our business.. but what goes on behind closed doors.. not so much.. in relationships etc.. Humans will make mistakes in that area.. . but who are we to judge.. we can only hope that the ones that others children etc look up to live a good clean life.. but its their life and they will deal with the consequences .....we just have to not spread rumors , talk stories , and spread gossip.. it may be true yes... but ... its not our monkeys......doesnt mean we agree with it... but....not our business in my opinion.... thats all we can do and live our own life pure as can be. |
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Location: East Texas | It matters to me. As far as most of the country......I don't think so. |
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Location: Florida.. | CrossDRanch - 2015-11-04 9:19 AM It matters to me. As far as most of the country......I don't think so.
Just because we dont get in their business doesnt mean we agree with what they are doing..its wrong ...... just to be clear.. wed have a busy life though if we had to worry about what others are doing in their home life.. right? |
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| they have opened themselves up to media . it looks bad to our youth when public figures get a free pass but normal people would be in jail or rehad
if i would walk out of the house with my boobs expose hello jail but actress do it all the time
i personally think that the double strandard needs to go away but.....
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Location: London Ontario | I care about this more then I should. Especially in the barrel racing world. If I am paying to have one of these big wigs ride/train/run my horse they better have good morals and horsemenship as all eyes are on them. YES mistake DO happen. I get that, but when you have millions of kids looking up to you as a role model, I expect you to have high values when in the public eye. People talk, so they better be talking good things.... |
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| It absolutely matters to me, more so than any success they have achieved. It is a sad commentary on our society that they are given a free pass. I read the statement a lot on here that it is not our place to judge, that is true to an extent. The goings on in their daily lives, mistakes made, do not define the whole person and are none of our business but when repeated immoral, illicit and sometimes illegal behavior is demonstrated by them, it is time to take them off the pedestal. As a parent, I think it was my job to "judge" who my children looked up to and how these idols are influencing them. Is it someone who achieved their success thru hard work and perseverance, is it some one who stepped on others to get to the top, what are they teaching our youth?
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When you become popular, Sports stars, Movie Stars what ever you are making a living off your public image it should be one people can look up to. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2015-11-04 8:45 AM
It absolutely matters to me, more so than any success they have achieved. It is a sad commentary on our society that they are given a free pass. I read the statement a lot on here that it is not our place to judge, that is true to an extent. The goings on in their daily lives, mistakes made, do not define the whole person and are none of our business but when repeated immoral, illicit and sometimes illegal behavior is demonstrated by them, it is time to take them off the pedestal. As a parent, I think it was my job to "judge" who my children looked up to and how these idols are influencing them. Is it someone who achieved their success thru hard work and perseverance, is it some one who stepped on others to get to the top, what are they teaching our youth?
I am with rodeomom on this one. I have never had idols, though. I am blessed enough to have amazing people in my family, really strong women and men who the value and strength of women, and who were also very strong. |
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Location: East Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-11-04 8:24 AM
CrossDRanch - 2015-11-04 9:19 AM It matters to me. As far as most of the country......I don't think so.
Just because we dont get in their business doesnt mean we agree with what they are doing..its wrong ...... just to be clear.. wed have a busy life though if we had to worry about what others are doing in their home life.. right?
No doubt..... I don't worry about them, but I will not give them my business and I definitely do not want my daughter looking up to any of these idiots. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | so lamar odoms bad behavior saved his marriage and never discouraged any bball ticket buyers.
blake shelton is sure hasnt taken any business hits on his life choices.
the whole bruce/caitlyn jenner woman of the year thing just makes me what to puke.
yes moral indiscretion bothers me and alas im ashamed that my moral fiber isnt strong enough to make me not watch the voice.
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Location: South Central Florida | It matters to me, but I'm not always sure how to combat it. I don't go see movies with stars that are, well, running around, doing drugs, etc.
But sometimes, I don't even know who they are talking about. As far as football and baseball, I don't spend money on attending games but I love a few teams, so do I not watch on TV? I guess that would be the best.
I used to write sponsors for TV stars. Did it for years, but almsot NEVER got a response. Sometimes I don't even know what they say is true. It is overwhelming.
In Barrel Racing, It's tough. I don't look up to a lot of people that ride at the top. But I don't buy from them, I don't purchase products they endorce and that's about all I can really do.
I think if I had a ton of money, my kid would have been mounted on the best horses around, but she would still ride, saddle, train and warm up the horse herself AND sit in the holding pen just like every other person that is there. I don't really like to see that at the top levels, but I'm not there, so maybe I would see it different.
I'm kind of shocked at some of the arrogance expressed by top riders, yet just like the rest of life, there are some amazing and wonderful riders at the top too!!!
So basically, I'm not always sure how to go about challenging the situation but I agree with you.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | luluwhit - 2015-11-04 10:07 AM so lamar odoms bad behavior saved his marriage and never discouraged any bball ticket buyers.
blake shelton is sure hasnt taken any business hits on his life choices.
the whole bruce/caitlyn jenner woman of the year thing just makes me what to puke.
yes moral indiscretion bothers me and alas im ashamed that my moral fiber isnt strong enough to make me not watch the voice.
I find it interesting that Blake Shelton seems to be much happier and he looks sober this season on The Voice. Makes you wonder why? You don't know what any person is going through unless you walk in their shoes. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Ppeople will say it matters however I have noticed on here that big names do get treated differently when something bad or gossipy comes up. Time & time again I have seen a different attitude, and more sympathy towards big names / competitors than the nobodies. Whether we want to admit it or not, we tend to be more impressed by a title than integrity, and it shows in how we respond on here. For instance, I don't think any of the Rita Crumwell posts got zapped but let a big name barrel racer post come up and it gets zapped at the speed of lightening. And it's not just here. Look at Lamar Odom and his recent fiasco - where's the sympathy for all the other husbands passed out and taken to the ER from a brothel????
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| The lady I ride with is my example of who I want to be. Not only is she a highly talented and succesful barrel racer, she is a truly good person. To put it this way she has two friends of hers who are "homeless" living with her for the time being. She goes out of her way to be encouraging to the up and comers and those who will probably never run in the 1D. She is classy, kind and truly a good person. The rest of the world may be falling to pieces but the only way to change things is to become the change. She embodys that everyday.   |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The only people that I idolize is my husband and kids, I could care less what others do with their lives. I really dont pay mine what all the stars do, but then there is TV and alot is shoved in our faces about some but o well life gos on... |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | I don't idolize anyone in the barrel racing world. I don't know - I just find them to be arrogant. I do have media figures in other sports that I look up to though. |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | Swannranch - 2015-11-04 10:26 AM
It matters to me, but I'm not always sure how to combat it. I don't go see movies with stars that are, well, running around, doing drugs, etc.
But sometimes, I don't even know who they are talking about. As far as football and baseball, I don't spend money on attending games but I love a few teams, so do I not watch on TV? I guess that would be the best.
I used to write sponsors for TV stars. Did it for years, but almsot NEVER got a response. Sometimes I don't even know what they say is true. It is overwhelming.
In Barrel Racing, It's tough. I don't look up to a lot of people that ride at the top. But I don't buy from them, I don't purchase products they endorce and that's about all I can really do.
I think if I had a ton of money, my kid would have been mounted on the best horses around, but she would still ride, saddle, train and warm up the horse herself AND sit in the holding pen just like every other person that is there. I don't really like to see that at the top levels, but I'm not there, so maybe I would see it different.
I'm kind of shocked at some of the arrogance expressed by top riders, yet just like the rest of life, there are some amazing and wonderful riders at the top too!!!
So basically, I'm not always sure how to go about challenging the situation but I agree with you.
Agree with you on the arrogance and I'm seeing more and more of it. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I don't want my children to think it's ok to not be an adult and to not own up to your mistakes and not accept your consequences. I want them to know by example that each action has an equal or greater consequence that HAS to be dealt with.... But I want my girls to handle those consequences with dignity, humbleness, meekness, and grace.
With that being said, it's an awful big deal to me what those role models do in their spare time. But it's an even bigger deal to me how they handle the situation once their mistakes are brought to light. I lose all respect for those who try and justify their wrongful actions or mistakes to the public. That teaches the little eyes that are watching that it's ok to not own up to your actions and that it's ok to justify doing wrong. It teaches them that they are never wrong and they shouldn't apologize for anything they do, regardless of who gets hurts or the consequences their actions cause. I don't want my girls to think that any of that is ok... |
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Location: North Dakota | People have reputations and say things because they DO things.....I really could care less what Nosey Nancy does behind closed doors-but what gets me is when Stupid Sally rubs it in my face that she was invited drinking to Nosey Nancy's and they did nothing but talk about Looser Lucy AALLL NIIIGGHT LOONGG. HAHAHA, some people grow up and some don't-just ask me-I'm 40 but occassionally will act 20, but if you need something give me a shout I'll be there with bells on.
Just because someone thinks you're famous really doesn't change your personality it just seems that more people know (or think they know) all about you. However, if people are famous or an idol, there does seem to be more critics that want to throw their opinion down your throat, jealousy?? I don't know. I've never been famous or someones idol. But I do know more people should look closer in their own back yard before judging out their front window.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | runs4fun - 2015-11-04 4:02 PM You have to be the STRONGEST and BEST role model for your little ones. You have to earn enough of their respect that they listen to YOU when you tell them that one of their idols is dead wrong in their behavior. We cannot leave it up to the world and celebrities to raise our children. If we do our jobs correctly,what their idols do, will not have nearly the negative impact as one might think...the kids will just be like most everyone else...shocked and disappointed in the actions of someone they thought highly of.
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Location: Florida.. | CrossDRanch - 2015-11-04 10:57 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-04 8:24 AM CrossDRanch - 2015-11-04 9:19 AM It matters to me. As far as most of the country......I don't think so. Just because we dont get in their business doesnt mean we agree with what they are doing..its wrong ...... just to be clear.. wed have a busy life though if we had to worry about what others are doing in their home life.. right? No doubt..... I don't worry about them, but I will not give them my business and I definitely do not want my daughter looking up to any of these idiots.
Me either.. and as far as others posts about illegal behavior I totally agree.. I had assumed this meant their private lives etc.. not something that is illegal or harming animals or aganist the rules or affecting our horses or life.. I guess I assumed that wasnt meant.. |
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| mruggles - 2015-11-04 1:53 PM Doesnt matter one bit to me.....they can live their lives however they want...doesnt have any impact on my day to day.....M
No, it does not impact our day to day life but it does impact our society as a whole. It just seems
there are fewer and fewer expectations of kind, proper and ethical behavior and I find that sad. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2015-11-04 5:54 PM mruggles - 2015-11-04 1:53 PM Doesnt matter one bit to me.....they can live their lives however they want...doesnt have any impact on my day to day.....M No, it does not impact our day to day life but it does impact our society as a whole. It just seems
there are fewer and fewer expectations of kind, proper and ethical behavior and I find that sad.
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Location: OH. IO | Yes it matters. But you would be suprised what some of the folks on here that are looked up to have done to other people on here. And then there are the ones who judge people on here by a simple PM from someone they dont really know at all,but they believe everything they are told. It does matter to me how people represent themselves,especially in child roll models.
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Location: north dakota | jake16 - 2015-11-05 6:10 PM
Yes it matters. But you would be suprised what some of the folks on here that are looked up to have done to other people on here. And then there are the ones who judge people on here by a simple PM from someone they dont really know at all,but they believe everything they are told. It does matter to me how people represent themselves,especially in child roll models.
^^^^ this is so true. I try and teach my kids to see how people treat others and what the actions say about them and not so much what they say.
I think you can admire the skill of a person even if you don't feel they make good choices. My roll models are people I've met personally and have seen how they treat other people and how they deal with adversity. A parent is the best roll model for a kid because they see what you do and pretty soon you realize they are copying how you handle things or treat others, good or bad.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Where do you want to start? JFK? Nawww... He's too easy... Lets talk about today... Pete Rose? So he bet on a baseball game that didn't have a flipping thing to do with his team??? To strip him of all his accomplishments??
Bruce Jenner? Now that it's decided he is REALLY a woman, Should she be stripped of everything she won because she competed in the wrong gender category?
Michael Phelps??? Here's a quandary... Take away everything he did because he smokes weed? (everyone knows pot is a performance enhancing drug)
How about our musicians? Elvis? The Beatles? Pretty much all of them would boff anyone they could coax into a changing room..... or a broom-closet...
Don't forget the Oral Office of Blow-Job Bill...
....or Bill Cosby..... There is a movie out there called 'Ray"... Go watch it....
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| I guess I don't understand how people on this board can slam Christy Loflin for supposed adultery, when Miranda Lambert supposedly has acted no differently, yet the ML post seems to be heavy in sympathy for how 'sad' she seemed.
I don't really care if and when and who they've messed around with, or been married and divorced to, because it doesn't affect me or anyone I love.
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Location: sunny california | I will go ahead and take one step further. I don't idolize celebrities because I do not know them. I don't know what they are about and I think less of others if they do. I mean why would I ask for someone's opinion on an important matter if they hold some person that they know less than zero about in such high reguard? flame suit zipped |
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Location: West Texas | The behavior and moral compass of people is the only thing I look up to, whether it be the school janitor or the world champion sports figure. There are quite a few rodeo figures that are idolized. Many of them are far from perfect. I don't look up to and will not allow my child to look up to them either. The type person that you are, is the only thing that matters in life, specifically not bringing in spirituality. It is much harder to be that person in the setting of fame. To those that are famous and lead their lives with dignity and character, I do have a greater appreciation for them....There are not very many.
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Location: Where I am happiest | classicpotatochip - 2015-11-05 8:47 PM I guess I don't understand how people on this board can slam Christy Loflin for supposed adultery, when Miranda Lambert supposedly has acted no differently, yet the ML post seems to be heavy in sympathy for how 'sad' she seemed. I don't really care if and when and who they've messed around with, or been married and divorced to, because it doesn't affect me or anyone I love. Just wondering what the difference is for the board?
It is natural to be more focused on what goes on in your own point of interest world then what goes on way out of your own realm. Because the one strikes so much closer to "Home" there is hightened interest. Also because the one closer to home, also brings the most integral part of the equation of "success" and where most barrel racers interest actually is.... and that is the horse. If the horse wasnt a huge part of the story, the interest wouldnt be as hightened. The last point to ponder and add to the equation, is if it's a one time mistake, as anybody can make a mistake. One time is a mistake. Or is it a choice and a pattern, as in multiple times? |
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| kwanatha - 2015-11-06 8:22 AM
I will go ahead and take one step further. I don't idolize celebrities because I do not know them. I don't know what they are about and I think less of others if they do. I mean why would I ask for someone's opinion on an important matter if they hold some person that they know less than zero about in such high reguard? flame suit zipped
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Location: NW. Florida | classicpotatochip - 2015-11-05 8:47 PM I guess I don't understand how people on this board can slam Christy Loflin for supposed adultery, when Miranda Lambert supposedly has acted no differently, yet the ML post seems to be heavy in sympathy for how 'sad' she seemed. I don't really care if and when and who they've messed around with, or been married and divorced to, because it doesn't affect me or anyone I love. Just wondering what the difference is for the board?
The first one you mentioned it has been proven she is an cheater. The second one has only been rumored to be a cheater. |
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| GLP - 2015-11-06 8:23 AM kwanatha - 2015-11-06 8:22 AM I will go ahead and take one step further. I don't idolize celebrities because I do not know them. I don't know what they are about and I think less of others if they do. I mean why would I ask for someone's opinion on an important matter if they hold some person that they know less than zero about in such high reguard? flame suit zipped AMEN!!!!
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | rodeomom3 - 2015-11-05 4:54 PM
mruggles - 2015-11-04 1:53 PM Doesnt matter one bit to me.....they can live their lives however they want...doesnt have any impact on my day to day.....M
No, it does not impact our day to day life but it does impact our society as a whole. It just seems
there are fewer and fewer expectations of kind, proper and ethical behavior and I find that sad.
True BUT...being ethical and having morals doesn't or shouldn't come from watching a celebrity. .it should come from the home....M |
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| mruggles - 2015-11-06 11:33 AM
rodeomom3 - 2015-11-05 4:54 PM
mruggles - 2015-11-04 1:53 PM Doesnt matter one bit to me.....they can live their lives however they want...doesnt have any impact on my day to day.....M
No, it does not impact our day to day life but it does impact our society as a whole. It just seems
there are fewer and fewer expectations of kind, proper and ethical behavior and I find that sad.
True BUT...being ethical and having morals doesn't or shouldn't come from watching a celebrity. .it should come from the home....M
many, in the home, are no different than the 'celebrities' we are referring to....no matter how they portray their morals and ethics in public.......nor how many minions they can convince....... |
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Location: North Dakota | Can someone please explain to me what purpose an Idol serves in our life?
Even though it seems a bit crude my dad always told me to be careful how high I put people on a pedastal because in the morning they get up and crap on the toilet just like I do! 
Seems to me like cheaters and crooks and immoral people sure haven't been struck down by lightning. I have an opinion about these people, however, I don't think everyone in the world needs to be beaten to death with my "highly justified" opinion.
Life is mine to live, do what is right by you and yours and I will do the same with mine. Idols are here in tiny whispers of kindness and friendship, not gold buckles or medals or multiplantinum records. |
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