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| Anyone know how to look up a Paint speed index? What do you commonly look for in SI for barrels? |
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| 70s-80s usually make the best barrel horses oddly enough. Then again, I know several who were 90+ who are doing just fine on barrels as well. I think it depends on the distance they got the rating at, and the horse itself. |
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| Mom has had pretty good luck. She only buys AAA Si 90 or above. I have a 79si...that is fast enough for the 1d but he cant make any mistakes. |
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| Any way to find out a SI? Looking at a gelding in the 70s (she thinks)...
Thanks for the replies, I kinda assumed this. Ive always been told 80s make a decent prospect but I also see a lot of advertising about the 100s. |
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| you might try going to equibase.com and plugging in his registered names. it will come up with all the races that he ran in, his places, and his si at each race including distance and money won. if you want to pm me his registered name I can do some research for your tomorrow. Racehorses are kind of mom and i's thing ;) on equibase you can even watch race videos most of the time for a small fee for the day. |
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| stayceem - 2015-11-04 4:15 PM Any way to find out a SI? Looking at a gelding in the 70s (she thinks)... Thanks for the replies, I kinda assumed this. Ive always been told 80s make a decent prospect but I also see a lot of advertising about the 100s.
You can look them up in the breed specific reports. APHA for paints and AQHA for Quarters. Usually you will look up the performance report and it will show it right there. |
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| I wouldn't even pay attention to an SI for a barrel horse. It really means nothing other than bragging rights in some cases. Does it really matter if a horse had a 100+ SI if it's at 870? I would be more interested in where they broke and how long they stayed in that position. A horse that consistently breaks first and leads the first 200 yards is much more impressive to me as a barrel prospect than one that breaks dead last and finally runs up front after 300 yards. |
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| Speed index has nothing to do with barrel racing. Caughtyawl on here had a horse that had a 90+ SI and he was a force to reckon with. She also had a horse that had a 67 SI that I never saw run less than a 1D time and most the time she was 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. She won a sack full of money on both horses. |
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| Well I'm glad to hear that because his fastest was a 76 haha! He had 6 outs.
Thank you all for the help. I was more curious than anything. I already made an offer before this post but was curious about it. 1st horse of my own that will be off the track. I've had a few in for friends to put time on but never one of my own! Therefore, I never looked into this stuff much! |
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| All my horses are off the track. Their SI ranges from the mid 70s to the low 90s. My 16'2 gelding with an 89 SI never broke his maiden but is a 1d horse. Just like ground conditions, jockey can affect a barrel run they also factor into races. I'd not let it be a deciding factor. Watch the horse race itself.
Isn't their a pro horse that qualified for American or semis that had a 42SI? |
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| wasn't sun frost really slow on the track? Random thought lol.
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| iloveequine40 - 2015-11-05 5:51 AM
All my horses are off the track. Their SI ranges from the mid 70s to the low 90s. My 16'2 gelding with an 89 SI never broke his maiden but is a 1d horse. Just like ground conditions, jockey can affect a barrel run they also factor into races. I'd not let it be a deciding factor. Watch the horse race itself.
Isn't their a pro horse that qualified for American or semis that had a 42SI?
I was able to see three of his races, two of them he had really bad starts but IMO not his fault. Horse next to him jumped in front of him once (his maiden race) and he spooked a little sideways. The other time he was hit pretty hard coming out of the gate. And the third time he gets boxed in. I cant find the other three.
He seems to run his best in the beginning of the race and doesnt seem to have the stamina. I have a good feeling on him and if all goes well I will be picking him up next weekend. |
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| MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 4:52 PM you might try going to equibase.com and plugging in his registered names. it will come up with all the races that he ran in, his places, and his si at each race including distance and money won. if you want to pm me his registered name I can do some research for your tomorrow. Racehorses are kind of mom and i's thing ;) on equibase you can even watch race videos most of the time for a small fee for the day.
So, do you average all of their race SI's to get their "overall/total" SI?
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | I like to look at race replays if I can and if not I look for high SI over short distances. |
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| iheartrodeo - 2015-11-05 9:50 AM
MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 4:52 PM you might try going to equibase.com and plugging in his registered names. it will come up with all the races that he ran in, his places, and his si at each race including distance and money won. if you want to pm me his registered name I can do some research for your tomorrow. Racehorses are kind of mom and i's thing ;) on equibase you can even watch race videos most of the time for a small fee for the day.
So, do you average all of their race SI's to get their "overall/total" SI?
NO the highest obtained SI is what is used. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I honestly don't think it matters. There are so many factors that go into speed indexes. If they had 10+ starts and were always 90+ great, but if they only had 3 starts and had a 40 SI, 85 and 92. Well maybe they got bumped bad or 1st start and didn't run straight etc. I would rather nix the SI and look up their race results and see how fast they broke in a race. Distance ran also would matter more to me. I would be just as interested in a horse that ran 80-100 in a <300 yard race than one that was doing well in a 870. |
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| My open 1D horse had a SI of 56!, I TRIED to make a barrel horse out of Dighton Drifter who had a SI of 111 - I believe, maybe even faster. My thoughts were if I could even get CLOSE to the barrels, he could clock - WRONG! I guess a plus is if they have a higher SI, you know the gas is there, but you don't know if they can sit and turn or if they have the brains for it. |
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| Griz - 2015-11-05 11:02 AM
My open 1D horse had a SI of 56!, I TRIED to make a barrel horse out of Dighton Drifter who had a SI of 111 - I believe, maybe even faster. My thoughts were if I could even get CLOSE to the barrels, he could clock - WRONG! I guess a plus is if they have a higher SI, you know the gas is there, but you don't know if they can sit and turn or if they have the brains for it.
I personally feel more comfortable on a lower SI than a crazy fast one. I'd rather encourage for more speed than have more than we both know what to do with  |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2015-11-05 10:47 AM
I honestly don't think it matters. There are so many factors that go into speed indexes. If they had 10+ starts and were always 90+ great, but if they only had 3 starts and had a 40 SI, 85 and 92. Well maybe they got bumped bad or 1st start and didn't run straight etc. I would rather nix the SI and look up their race results and see how fast they broke in a race. Distance ran also would matter more to me. I would be just as interested in a horse that ran 80-100 in a <300 yard race than one that was doing well in a 870.
This is also trye. From the replays I saw, the one the gelding I am looking at had a 40SI in his Maiden race... but he also had some really bad circumstances that interfered. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | To me a speed index dont matter, its how much of a sprinter the horse is, most of your barrel horses dont even have a speed index, they have never been raced. |
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Location: Texas | It's nice to know that they have the capability to go that fast, but it isn't necessary. Some horses just don't like the track, and their SI or lack of wins shows it.. Put them in something different, and their talents shine.
My #1 horse is AA on the track, and she has PLENTY of speed. I had another mare who was AA and the same went for her..
I like them to be at least AA because it looks good on paper, it gives me confidence that I know speed is there, but more importantly, I want to see earnings and what types of races they were entered in and what distance they were running. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | How fast they are proven to be on the track has less to do with being a good barrel horse than the ability to turn and be "handled" (let the rider control them). Some horses who are fast only want to go straight. There are a multitude of reasons why a horse might not succeed on the track that have nothing to do with them being a nice horse. But it's nice to see them be at least fast enough to run an 80 (Register Of Merit) if they raced.
I had a mare that had a SI 94. But she also allowed me to direct her and she craved the turn. She made an AWESOME barrel horse and loved it. |
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| casualdust07 - 2015-11-05 12:06 PM
It's nice to know that they have the capability to go that fast, but it isn't necessary. Some horses just don't like the track, and their SI or lack of wins shows it.. Put them in something different, and their talents shine.
My #1 horse is AA on the track, and she has PLENTY of speed. I had another mare who was AA and the same went for her..
I like them to be at least AA because it looks good on paper, it gives me confidence that I know speed is there, but more importantly, I want to see earnings and what types of races they were entered in and what distance they were running.
His race record is far from impressive. He only had 6 outs and $590 won. His SI ranged dramatically but again he had some less than ideal circumstances in all 3 of the races I saw. I am sure he wasnt a "race horse" at heart anyway but I feel his stats arent probably a true representation of him just because of the bad luck he had. |
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Location: Ft Worth TX | SI does not matter for barrel racing- especially when you consider it varies from track to track! I look for a fast start from the gate with an early lead- that shows a horse can "get up and go" in a hurry vs just a horse that can run fast over a distance. Not to mention "stuff happens" in a race like stumbles, bumps, mudd, ect that can effect a trip around the track...
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| One thing that I might add is that if a horse has a speed index of say 85 and runs the mor races and the horse's speed index drops to 78 in its last races, then there is a strong possibility that the horse has gotten hur5. This is a good warning sign. Do your homework. |
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