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Location: Greencastle PA | I have a gelding that has horrible feet , very weak hoof walls and don't grow alot at all.
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Total Equine is my good to feed for feet. I have tried to put my barrel horse on other feeds, including Strategy, and every time his feet fall apart. I've tried supplements as well with those feeds. I have another horse on Tribute Feed because the TE wasn't enough calories. Haven't had enough time to see the results in his feet yet but I am impressed with the probiotics, nutrients. |
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Location: Greencastle PA | Thank you
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Location: West Texas | A complete feed is one that has both concentrate and forage, that can be fed without hay. The term is sometimes technically incorrectly used to mean a fortified concentrate. I am not sure which usage of complete you are meaning. My experience, is good quality protein is the best thing you can do, nutritionally speaking, for your horses feet. Flax is also really good for them.
I would look into feeding some or more of the best alfalfa you can find. Also, if you are really serious about helping his feet, run him barefoot for a couple of months or more and that will do wonders.
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| Total Equine is definitely NOT a complete feed, if that is what you are looking for. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | GLP - 2015-11-06 2:30 PM Total Equine is definitely NOT a complete feed, if that is what you are looking for.
Their website says they are.
Additionally it has 20% fiber content which is the same as other feeds that can be fed as sole forage source. It's also alfalfa based. |
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Location: North Dakota | I agree with TDove and want to add that I very rarely ever go without feeding my horses flax. |
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Location: West Texas | Fairweather - 2015-11-06 2:35 PM GLP - 2015-11-06 2:30 PM Total Equine is definitely NOT a complete feed, if that is what you are looking for. Their website says they are.
Additionally it has 20% fiber content which is the same as other feeds that can be fed as sole forage source. It's also alfalfa based.
1. They are using the term to mean a fortified concentrate. Which is somewhat commonly used, but technically incorrect.
2. The fiber that is in TE is extruded and not meant to be any kind of a fiber source for gut health and motility.
3. The website is not very accurate at times. It says the energy provided comes from alfalfa grain (what?) and beet pulp.....BUT look at the ingredient list, beet pulp is not even in TE! Quite a major oversight....
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Here's the website for TE
http://totalfeeds.com/Total_Equine.html
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Location: West Texas | Fairweather, I am not saying TE is not a good feed. It is a good feed and I think it can help foot condition, if nutrition is the major factor for the poor condition.
I do not want you to take my post above the wrong way. I was just trying to clarify a few things. I have used TE before and a lot of people like it.
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Location: Willows, CA | Tdove - 2015-11-06 2:46 PM
Fairweather - 2015-11-06 2:35 PM GLP - 2015-11-06 2:30 PM Total Equine is definitely NOT a complete feed, if that is what you are looking for. Their website says they are.
Additionally it has 20% fiber content which is the same as other feeds that can be fed as sole forage source. It's also alfalfa based. 1. They are using the term to mean a fortified concentrate. Which is somewhat commonly used, but technically incorrect. 2. The fiber that is in TE is extruded and not meant to be any kind of a fiber source for gut health and motility. 3. The website is not very accurate at times. It says the energy provided comes from alfalfa grain (what? ) and beet pulp.....BUT look at the ingredient list, beet pulp is not even in TE! Quite a major oversight....
I make what could be considered a competing product, and usually do not comment on other feeds because of this. I need to point out, however, that the TE web site does list energy from "Alfalfa grain" of which there is no such thing, and Beet Pulp, which is clearly absent from the ingredient list. The number one ingredient is alfalfa which makes it the most expensive alfalfa you could buy. I know that people either love or hate that product. But, I guess that could be said for a lot of feeds, including mine. |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Funny I'm in south la and I get total equine for a new horse ( because that's what it was on when we purchased) and so happened to have a tag in my purse.
My tag shows it does have beep pulp (pellets) listed in the ingredients.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I have found that a lot of manufactured feeds and "complete feeds" lack consistency in their ingredients list. I have alsp found that TE is one of the inconsistent feeds in my area...
To answer the OPs question, I have heard that Farriers Formula has helped a lot of my friend's horses as well as pure Biotin powder mixed with their horses feed. |
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| Have you tried feeding a packet of Knox Gelatin each feeding? It's an old trick and really does work! |
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| Fairweather - 2015-11-06 2:35 PM
GLP - 2015-11-06 2:30 PM Total Equine is definitely NOT a complete feed, if that is what you are looking for.
Their website says they are.
Additionally it has 20% fiber content which is the same as other feeds that can be fed as sole forage source. It's also alfalfa based.
Well, when I called the vet who came up with the Total Equine and asked questions, he said I needed to be feeding hay, which I was.
This shocked me because on the label it said you could feed free choice, but when I talked to him he said I needed to lower the amount I was feeding and up the hay.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | GLP - 2015-11-06 4:58 PM Fairweather - 2015-11-06 2:35 PM GLP - 2015-11-06 2:30 PM Total Equine is definitely NOT a complete feed, if that is what you are looking for. Their website says they are.
Additionally it has 20% fiber content which is the same as other feeds that can be fed as sole forage source. It's also alfalfa based. Well, when I called the vet who came up with the Total Equine and asked questions, he said I needed to be feeding hay, which I was. This shocked me because on the label it said you could feed free choice, but when I talked to him he said I needed to lower the amount I was feeding and up the hay.
Hay is better for a horse anyway in my opinion. More natural. Helps them digest feed better as well.  |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2015-11-06 5:14 PM
GLP - 2015-11-06 4:58 PM Fairweather - 2015-11-06 2:35 PM GLP - 2015-11-06 2:30 PM Total Equine is definitely NOT a complete feed, if that is what you are looking for. Their website says they are.
Additionally it has 20% fiber content which is the same as other feeds that can be fed as sole forage source. It's also alfalfa based. Well, when I called the vet who came up with the Total Equine and asked questions, he said I needed to be feeding hay, which I was. This shocked me because on the label it said you could feed free choice, but when I talked to him he said I needed to lower the amount I was feeding and up the hay.
I wasn't feeding it as a complete feed. I have always fed hay and very little grain. My horse was falling apart on that feed and I was calling for advice. However, what the maker told me and what was on the bag were conflicting, so I just quit the feed. |
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Location: In my own little world | GLP - 2015-11-06 5:46 PM IRunOnFaith - 2015-11-06 5:14 PM GLP - 2015-11-06 4:58 PM Fairweather - 2015-11-06 2:35 PM GLP - 2015-11-06 2:30 PM Total Equine is definitely NOT a complete feed, if that is what you are looking for. Their website says they are.
Additionally it has 20% fiber content which is the same as other feeds that can be fed as sole forage source. It's also alfalfa based. Well, when I called the vet who came up with the Total Equine and asked questions, he said I needed to be feeding hay, which I was. This shocked me because on the label it said you could feed free choice, but when I talked to him he said I needed to lower the amount I was feeding and up the hay. I wasn't feeding it as a complete feed. I have always fed hay and very little grain. My horse was falling apart on that feed and I was calling for advice. However, what the maker told me and what was on the bag were conflicting, so I just quit the feed.
As with any feed, what works well for one horse does not always work well for another. I have one horse that thrives on TE and I have one that I have to feed something else because TE washes him out. But TE works very well for a lot of people. So does Triple Crown, Nutrena, Purina, Renew Gold and a ton of other feeds. I won't speak poorly of any feed just because they don't work for me doesn't mean it might not work well for someone else. If I'm targeting feet I will look more toward adding something to my feed that already use. I have not had good luck with adding Biotin for healthier feet, but some people love it. I am finding a package of gelatin per day to be very helpful. And much less expensive. |
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Location: West Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2015-11-06 4:38 PM
I have found that a lot of manufactured feeds and "complete feeds" lack consistency in their ingredients list. I have alsp found that TE is one of the inconsistent feeds in my area...
To answer the OPs question, I have heard that Farriers Formula has helped a lot of my friend's horses as well as pure Biotin powder mixed with their horses feed.
Speaking only as Trey Dove here, this is troubling to me. TE has definitely changed the formula. They used to use corn but I am guessing when corn got really high a few years ago they switched to sorghum. Now, I see the website is quite inconsistent with accurate information. Either they are switching formulas and loosing track of what's going on or the person running the website, is incompetent. I find myself in the feed business now and can't really go around speaking my mind as much as I used to. I used to feed TE and at the time was fairly happy with it. Now it is not my first choice for various reasons, but I know those that still feed it and like it. I have been hearing rumblings before about changing formulas, inconsistent results, etc. I hope they can get their act together.
I have always heard that every horse is different and to some degree, that has some truth to it. As a whole, I find that with a good feeding program, it will work on 99% of healthy horses. There are places that feed hundreds of horses a day the same feed program, with the same results. No real point there, just an observation.
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| Purina enrich plus has helped my horse's feet tremendously.......You do have to feed hay with it, so not complete, nor does it have a lot of calories, but I like it a lot. |
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| GLP - 2015-11-06 4:58 PM Fairweather - 2015-11-06 2:35 PM GLP - 2015-11-06 2:30 PM Total Equine is definitely NOT a complete feed, if that is what you are looking for. Their website says they are.
Additionally it has 20% fiber content which is the same as other feeds that can be fed as sole forage source. It's also alfalfa based. Well, when I called the vet who came up with the Total Equine and asked questions, he said I needed to be feeding hay, which I was. This shocked me because on the label it said you could feed free choice, but when I talked to him he said I needed to lower the amount I was feeding and up the hay.
Dr. Harry Anderson is NOT a vet |
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| over 45 - 2015-11-07 6:08 AM
GLP - 2015-11-06 4:58 PM Fairweather - 2015-11-06 2:35 PM GLP - 2015-11-06 2:30 PM Total Equine is definitely NOT a complete feed, if that is what you are looking for. Their website says they are.
Additionally it has 20% fiber content which is the same as other feeds that can be fed as sole forage source. It's also alfalfa based. Well, when I called the vet who came up with the Total Equine and asked questions, he said I needed to be feeding hay, which I was. This shocked me because on the label it said you could feed free choice, but when I talked to him he said I needed to lower the amount I was feeding and up the hay.
What kind of Dr is he? Total equine is pretty popular around my area .. I've never fed it nor do I plan on it. The guy that starts our colts does though ... in fact he just started it. But whenever we send one to him, I end up sending feed along with them. |
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Location: Florida.. | PhD. in Animal Science from South Dakota State University in Brookings, S.D. He worked as an Animal Nutritionist for a fortune 100 company before becoming a private Consulting Nutritionist.. He sells and owns Total Equine feeds
so your correct hes not a vet.
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Location: At the barn | If I could post pictures I would show you what TE did for my colt as he recovered from colic surgery.
I've been feeding it for 4 years now I guess. I've seen it work miracles on several horses. It's a great feed. |
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