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Elite Rodeo Association and Star Professional Rodeo Athletes File Class Action Lawsuit Sticking Up For Rights of Cowboys and Cowgirls November 9, 2015
Posted on November 9, 2015 by ERA
Tony Garritano, Trevor Brazile and Ryan Motes discuss the antitrust lawsuit filed November 9, 2015.
Tony Garritano, Trevor Brazile and Ryan Motes discuss the antitrust lawsuit filed November 9, 2015.
The Elite Rodeo Association (ERA) and three of the top cowboys in the world today were forced to bring an antitrust class action lawsuit challenging unfair and illegal bylaws passed by the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association (PRCA). These anticompetitive PRCA bylaws were enacted in October 2015 to try to shut down or harm ERA before its inaugural 2016 season.
“ERA’s goal is simple: better the sport of rodeo for everyone – fans, professional athletes, rodeo associations, stock contractors, sponsors and venues,” said Tony Garritano, CEO and President of ERA. “We are filing this lawsuit on behalf of professional cowboys and cowgirls who have devoted their lives to rodeo and are truly the best in the sport, in order to make rodeo stronger and create opportunities for everyone who dreams of being a rodeo champion, not only today but for generations to come.”
ERA was announced earlier this year to create a new, nationally televised stage where fans get to see the best rodeo talent compete in a regular season culminating with a World Championship Rodeo at the American Airlines Center in Dallas, Texas. ERA seeks to expand audiences for the sport and elevate the world of professional rodeo. PRCA responded to an announcement that top cowboys would focus their 2016 “tour” schedules on ERA events by enacting new bylaws that retaliate against almost anyone who participates in, or has any connection with, an ERA rodeo, including athletes, rodeo committees, facilities and vendors.
“PRCA is unlawfully exercising its monopoly power in the rodeo industry and organizing a group boycott to prevent free competition in the sport,” said Jim Quinn, one of the country’s preeminent sports law attorneys and a partner with the law firm of Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP, which is representing the cowboys and ERA in the lawsuit along with antitrust law partner Eric Hochstadt and sports law attorney John Gerba. “PRCA’s bylaws are clearly anticompetitive on their face, and should be declared illegal by the court, just as other courts have done when PRCA tried these same unfair tactics in the past.”
The class action lawsuit seeks a court order to temporarily and permanently stop PRCA from enforcing the new bylaws. The case was filed in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas in Dallas on behalf of all current and future athletes who are or will be an officer, board member, employee of ERA or have or will have an ownership or financial interest of any form in ERA.
“We aren’t asking for any money in this lawsuit, just the opportunity to compete in ERA events without being retaliated against by PRCA,” said Trevor Brazile, a 21-time World Champion Cowboy, ERA Board Member and shareholder, and one of the named plaintiffs in the lawsuit. “We believe PRCA and ERA can – and should – work together on behalf of the sport, just as PRCA has successfully done with the Professional Bull Riders (PBR) and other rodeo associations.”
PRCA and ERA are two different organizations with different missions. Where PRCA is driven by member dues and sanctions hundreds of rodeo events that include competitors of any skill level, ERA was founded to create a “League of Champions” and a true national championship to increase excitement and benefit the entire industry.
“It’s unfortunate that after participating loyally in PRCA events across the country as a professional for nearly 20 years that PRCA has responded this way,” said Plaintiff Bobby Mote of Stephenville, Texas, who holds four world titles, is a founder and shareholder of ERA, and another of the named plaintiffs in the lawsuit. “We designed ERA as an additional tour for competitors, not as a replacement, and it has always been my intention to participate in both ERA and PRCA events next season.”
ERA is open to every cowboy and cowgirl who can demonstrate that they have the ability and dedication to be one of the very best athletes in the sport.
“Current and future generations of rodeo athletes will see a stronger career path that allows the very best competitors to concentrate on their profession and be able to end their careers on their own terms,” said Ryan Motes, of Weatherford, Texas, the current co-holder of the world record in team roping, a founder and shareholder in ERA, and the third named plaintiff in the litigation.
“ERA is committed to working with the entire rodeo industry, including PRCA, to bring added vitality, growth, and value to the sport,” continued Garritano. “But we can’t stand aside and let PRCA break the rules and play Monopoly with rodeo. The free market gets to decide what competitions take place, not the PRCA.”
Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP is well-known for their representation of the Players’ Associations of most major U.S. professional sports leagues. Quinn, the head of the firm’s Sports Law Practice, has more than 40 years of experience in the field, and is credited with developing the collective bargaining process in most major U.S. professional sports leagues today.
The antitrust class action lawsuit is The Elite Rodeo Association, Trevor Brazile, Bobby Mote, and Ryan Motes v. Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association, Inc.
A copy of the complaint is available below.
Link to Fact Sheet and Complaint Excerpts
Link to Full Complaint
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| Am I just PMSing or did that sound like a dig? " a TRUE national championship. " | |
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| sorry the only thing that ticked me off is the word "true" champions... WHERE THE H.E. DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS DID THEY GET THE TITLE WORLD CHAMPIONS.. FROM A BARREL RACING/ROPING ASSOCIATION???
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| Polly05 - 2015-11-09 11:20 AM
sorry the only thing that ticked me off is the word "true" champions... WHERE THE H.E. DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS DID THEY GET THE TITLE WORLD CHAMPIONS.. FROM A BARREL RACING/ROPING ASSOCIATION???
I agree that they should be able to compete where ever they want....
That is what kinda "got" me too...
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Location: Peach State | I wasn't against the ERA but with every dang press release they sound more and more like total A holes. I don't mean this towards any particular individual in theERA | |
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| Seen on Facebook someone posted a question asking if Trevor Brazile was going to be competing at the NFR, as somewhere in the PRCA bylaws or rules it says competitors cannot sue PRCA.
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I think most of the contestants just want to rodeo, not sue each other and fight. If this squabble isn't resolved fast they are going to take all of professional rodeo down with it. There isn't enough money or stability to the athletes to keep fighting, most can do something else for income. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cheryl makofka - 2015-11-09 1:07 PM Seen on Facebook someone posted a question asking if Trevor Brazile was going to be competing at the NFR, as somewhere in the PRCA bylaws or rules it says competitors cannot sue PRCA. Wonder what PRCA will do
I am pretty sure that this part of the "rules" pertains to liability lawsuits for injury, death, etc........ | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Whiteboy - 2015-11-09 3:22 PM On another note, I fundamentally disagree with any court telling any private organization what they can or can not do. That beings said, it really is too bad they can't work together. Would have been really great for everybody involved.
PRCA works very closely with PBR... I'd like to know what the difference is with the ERA. I mean, If you think about it, ERA is showcasing some of the greatest talent PRCA has ever had.... You would think they would use it as publicity fo rthe PRCA. You know, like "Follow all the PRCA Rodeos to see who could possibly run in the next ERA Tour." Or something to that effect... I'm not good with words... But you would think it could benefit the PRCA in some way... Just my two cents... | |
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Location: PNW | IRunOnFaith - 2015-11-09 1:26 PM
Whiteboy - 2015-11-09 3:22 PM On another note, I fundamentally disagree with any court telling any private organization what they can or can not do. That beings said, it really is too bad they can't work together. Would have been really great for everybody involved.
PRCA works very closely with PBR... I'd like to know what the difference is with the ERA. I mean, If you think about it, ERA is showcasing some of the greatest talent PRCA has ever had.... You would think they would use it as publicity fo rthe PRCA. You know, like "Follow all the PRCA Rodeos to see who could possibly run in the next ERA Tour." Or something to that effect... I'm not good with words... But you would think it could benefit the PRCA in some way... Just my two cents...
Probably because the PBR wasn't a bunch of a-holes about it, didn't piggyback off PRCA events with no credit or thanks, and wasn't parading around with their hat brims in the air. Just a few guesses that come to mind...
ETA: I'm not saying the ERA members ARE a-holes, I'm saying they kind of come off that way.
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| freddymac - 2015-11-09 3:34 PM
When you sign your membership form you waive the right to sue or hold accountable the PRCA not just from harm, the PRCA has grounds to fine and suspend.
ahhhh but hold the PRCA accountable for what exactly? THAT is a mighty big word when it comes to the court system ....
As I recall in the ERA release they are stating that the PRCA is unfairly monopolizing the market by restricting their own card holders from competing in another association (my paraphrase).
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | svincent - 2015-11-09 3:30 PM IRunOnFaith - 2015-11-09 1:26 PM Whiteboy - 2015-11-09 3:22 PM On another note, I fundamentally disagree with any court telling any private organization what they can or can not do. That beings said, it really is too bad they can't work together. Would have been really great for everybody involved. PRCA works very closely with PBR... I'd like to know what the difference is with the ERA. I mean, If you think about it, ERA is showcasing some of the greatest talent PRCA has ever had.... You would think they would use it as publicity fo rthe PRCA. You know, like "Follow all the PRCA Rodeos to see who could possibly run in the next ERA Tour." Or something to that effect... I'm not good with words... But you would think it could benefit the PRCA in some way... Just my two cents... Probably because the PBR wasn't a bunch of a-holes about it, didn't piggyback off PRCA events with no credit or thanks, and wasn't parading around with their hat brims in the air. Just a few guesses that come to mind... ETA: I'm not saying the ERA members ARE a-holes, I'm saying they kind of come off that way.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM
I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are.
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Location: Texas | The key word in the press release is "Antitrust" basically the ERA is saying that the PRCA is going against Federal Laws that protect contestants (consumers in this case) from Associations (or companies) from monopolizing a market. I'm not a lawyer, but that is my understanding.
The Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act,[1] 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1–7) is a landmark federal statute in the history of United States antitrust law (or "competition law") passed by Congress in 1890. Passed under the presidency of Benjamin Harrison, it prohibits certain business activities that federal government regulators deem to be anti-competitive, and requires the federal government to investigate and pursue trusts.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | IRunOnFaith - 2015-11-09 3:26 PM Whiteboy - 2015-11-09 3:22 PM On another note, I fundamentally disagree with any court telling any private organization what they can or can not do. That beings said, it really is too bad they can't work together. Would have been really great for everybody involved. PRCA works very closely with PBR... I'd like to know what the difference is with the ERA. I mean, If you think about it, ERA is showcasing some of the greatest talent PRCA has ever had.... You would think they would use it as publicity fo rthe PRCA. You know, like "Follow all the PRCA Rodeos to see who could possibly run in the next ERA Tour." Or something to that effect... I'm not good with words... But you would think it could benefit the PRCA in some way... Just my two cents...
The PRCA is working so closely with the PBR that they created the Extreme Bull Riding Tour to compete with the PBR?? | |
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1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos.
2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions.
3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA.
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| SKM - 2015-11-09 7:38 PM
What were the ERA people thinking would happen when:
1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos.
2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions.
3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA.
4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent?
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What were the ERA people thinking would happen when:
1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos.
2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions.
3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA.
4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent?
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Location: The edge of no where | MarissaBerg - 2015-11-09 6:12 PM The key word in the press release is "Antitrust" basically the ERA is saying that the PRCA is going against Federal Laws that protect contestants (consumers in this case) from Associations (or companies) from monopolizing a market. I'm not a lawyer, but that is my understanding. The Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act,[1] 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1–7) is a landmark federal statute in the history of United States antitrust law (or "competition law") passed by Congress in 1890. Passed under the presidency of Benjamin Harrison, it prohibits certain business activities that federal government regulators deem to be anti-competitive, and requires the federal government to investigate and pursue trusts. It has since, more broadly, been used to oppose the combination of entities that could potentially harm competition, such as monopolies or cartels.
I really don't see the PRCA winning this one. (and I hope they don't). This will not be the first lawsuit like this that they've brought on themselves.
I might be the only one, but I think the ERA is a neat concept. Really don't believe in throwing mud at what someone else is attempting to accomplish when it's not hurting you in the least. There are some really good people involved in this deal. It's always been a shame that rodeo doesn't pay better....you hope to break even all year and make it up in Vegas. Why does it have to be that way? Why is it wrong to wanting to travel less? It's not like most of the contestants haven't paid their dues and **** sure proven themselves to be among the best in the sport.
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What were the ERA people thinking would happen when:
1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos.
2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions.
3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA.
4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent?
I was actually all for the ERA... in the beginning.
They are only adding two people to each event each season, so only 16 people will advance to the next season... The only way you can qualify is to get points in an event that has all seven events with at least $5k added to each event. So, you have to haul your butt off to qualify. Definitely not a big improvement for those not already in. Once you get in, you have to stay in the top six or you better start the hauling game again.
The PBR has one event and fifty of the top riders. You can have a bad year and fall 30 spots and still stay in. That's a big difference. It's a money thing, like everything else. Which is fine, but don't fill my head full of crap and try to make me believe that you're looking out for the future of rodeo. You're looking out for the future of your retirement. It's a business venture, period.
I wish them luck.
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SKM - 2015-11-09 7:38 PM
What were the ERA people thinking would happen when:
1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos.
2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions.
3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA.
4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent?
I was actually all for the ERA... in the beginning.
They are only adding two people to each event each season, so only 16 people will advance to the next season... The only way you can qualify is to get points in an event that has all seven events with at least $5k added to each event. So, you have to haul your butt off to qualify. Definitely not a big improvement for those not already in. Once you get in, you have to stay in the top six or you better start the hauling game again.
The PBR has one event and fifty of the top riders. You can have a bad year and fall 30 spots and still stay in. That's a big difference. It's a money thing, like everything else. Which is fine, but don't fill my head full of crap and try to make me believe that you're looking out for the future of rodeo. You're looking out for the future of your retirement. It's a business venture, period.
I wish them luck.
Totally curiosity here but how do any of the members make money if they're not in the top 10 that are on the tour? Is it that they plan on being at the big PRCA rodeos anyway so they'll just work to try to get back on the ERA tour to make extra money? Or is it purely a business venture in that they'll be making money off memberships, advertisement and attendance? So they don't really have to even Rodeo if they don't want, they'll just collect their checks as shareholders? Just seems that if you're trying to improve your Rodeo competition schedule, the small amount of athletes in the tour cancel that out for most???? | |
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Location: In my own little world | MS2011 - 2015-11-09 8:45 PM MarissaBerg - 2015-11-09 6:12 PM The key word in the press release is "Antitrust" basically the ERA is saying that the PRCA is going against Federal Laws that protect contestants (consumers in this case) from Associations (or companies) from monopolizing a market. I'm not a lawyer, but that is my understanding. The Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act,[1] 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1–7) is a landmark federal statute in the history of United States antitrust law (or "competition law") passed by Congress in 1890. Passed under the presidency of Benjamin Harrison, it prohibits certain business activities that federal government regulators deem to be anti-competitive, and requires the federal government to investigate and pursue trusts. It has since, more broadly, been used to oppose the combination of entities that could potentially harm competition, such as monopolies or cartels. I really don't see the PRCA winning this one. (and I hope they don't). This will not be the first lawsuit like this that they've brought on themselves.
I might be the only one, but I think the ERA is a neat concept. Really don't believe in throwing mud at what someone else is attempting to accomplish when it's not hurting you in the least. There are some really good people involved in this deal. It's always been a shame that rodeo doesn't pay better....you hope to break even all year and make it up in Vegas. Why does it have to be that way? Why is it wrong to wanting to travel less? It's not like most of the contestants haven't paid their dues and **** sure proven themselves to be among the best in the sport.
The travel less deal was what they all originally were talking about and promoting. Later into it people started asking them if they would go to prorodeos still and the answer was yes they intended to make the NFR as well. Talking out both sides comes to mind. Mind you not all of them *especially barrel racers" because some of them haven't traveled the pro rodeo road for a lot of years and the one isn't even old enough (but the WPRA isn't in question here, it is the PRCA). And many of them are the ones still wanting both now. So travel less was a beginning sales pitch that I never did buy and really don't buy now. And yes, "true" champion was a back at ya comment on the part of this press release. So apparently Trevor Brazile has never been a true champion...must have just been playing pretend. Oh my gosh is all I can say.
I was thinking this could have been a neat deal to start with too but the further they go, the worse I see it getting. If the PRCA uses their own words against them, they might come out smelling like a rose in this but only time will tell so all we can do is wait and see how the lawsuit goes and how the ticket sales are for the 1st season of the ERA.
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MarissaBerg - 2015-11-09 6:12 PM The key word in the press release is "Antitrust" basically the ERA is saying that the PRCA is going against Federal Laws that protect contestants (consumers in this case) from Associations (or companies) from monopolizing a market. I'm not a lawyer, but that is my understanding. The Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act,[1] 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1–7) is a landmark federal statute in the history of United States antitrust law (or "competition law") passed by Congress in 1890. Passed under the presidency of Benjamin Harrison, it prohibits certain business activities that federal government regulators deem to be anti-competitive, and requires the federal government to investigate and pursue trusts. It has since, more broadly, been used to oppose the combination of entities that could potentially harm competition, such as monopolies or cartels.
I really don't see the PRCA winning this one. (and I hope they don't). This will not be the first lawsuit like this that they've brought on themselves.
I might be the only one, but I think the ERA is a neat concept. Really don't believe in throwing mud at what someone else is attempting to accomplish when it's not hurting you in the least. There are some really good people involved in this deal. It's always been a shame that rodeo doesn't pay better....you hope to break even all year and make it up in Vegas. Why does it have to be that way? Why is it wrong to wanting to travel less? It's not like most of the contestants haven't paid their dues and **** sure proven themselves to be among the best in the sport.
The ERA is piggybacking off the PRCA and using them to set the standard in order for people to compete at ERA events. So yes, they are in a way hurting the PRCA. A person can't go to Chevy, steal their latest body style and then market it as a Ford. While the PBR has been great for the bull riders, it hurt the PRCA. The quality of contestants at PRCA rode is has gone downhill since the start of the PBR. In the 80's, guys were covering all 10 head at the NFR. Now they are lucky to cover 5. Go to a regular PRCA rodeo and your lucky to have 2 qualified rides.
I have said from the beginning that the ERA could be a great thing if it is put together the right way and not thrown together haphazardly as a get rich quick for a few people. I also remember getting my rear end handed to me by some (not necessarily you) for voicing these concerns.
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I also do not understand why the ERA can't create their own qualifier events unless they can't get any venues or contractors to bite. Don't piggyback off the asssociation you dislike. The bylaws set by the PRCA only affect ERA stakeholders. The ERA stakeholders are the ones so adement the PRCA is treating the contestants poorly so why do they care if they aren't allowed to compete in the PRCA? $$$$ Maybe I'm reading it all wrong. Are stock contractors affected by the PRCA by laws regarding a competing association? I thought I read on the ERA Facebook page some of the contractors the ERA has approached would not accept because of the PRCA. Then become your own stock contractors elite boys & girls!
I know the ERA is wanting less travel for more money for the contestants. Well who doesn't want to do less work for more money in their jobs? Sign me up. Everyone wants that in the world. We just can't get it. LOL There are regular jobs out there for those wanting to stay close to home & not travel. Takers? Haha Think any ERA athletes will protest the PRCA by not participating in the WNFR? Some folks go on hunger strikes to protest and prove their point. This NFR will sure be interesting. I can't wait to hear go round winner and "world" champion interviews. I wonder if all those ERA athletes will keep their PRCA obligations throughout the NFR?
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Location: Where I am happiest | It would be a entirely different ball game IF the ERA was producing their own qualifying rodeo's. Not piggy backing off the PRCA. They want the PRCA to do all the work for them, and take all the risks to hand them their "Elite" on a silver platter so they can reap the benefits. The PBR is producing all their own events, not using the PRCA to give them their "Elite". As far as I'm concerned they are acting like spoiled little kids throwing their sucker in the dirt when the parents tighten the purse strings. If they want to stand on their own 2 feet then do that, but do the work and take the risks to get there. They need to produce ALL their own rodeo's and qualifying events. | |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-11-10 6:44 AM
It would be a entirely different ball game IF the ERA was producing their own qualifying rodeo's. Not piggy backing off the PRCA. They want the PRCA to do all the work for them, and take all the risks to hand them their "Elite" on a silver platter so they can reap the benefits. The PBR is producing all their own events, not using the PRCA to give them their "Elite". As far as I'm concerned they are acting like spoiled little kids throwing their sucker in the dirt when the parents tighten the purse strings. If they want to stand on their own 2 feet then do that, but do the work and take the risks to get there. They need to produce ALL their own rodeo's and qualifying events.
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Location: The edge of no where | grinandbareit - 2015-11-09 10:21 PM SKM - 2015-11-09 7:38 PM What were the ERA people thinking would happen when: 1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos. 2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions. 3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA. 4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent? I was actually all for the ERA... in the beginning. They are only adding two people to each event each season, so only 16 people will advance to the next season... The only way you can qualify is to get points in an event that has all seven events with at least $5k added to each event. So, you have to haul your butt off to qualify. Definitely not a big improvement for those not already in. Once you get in, you have to stay in the top six or you better start the hauling game again. The PBR has one event and fifty of the top riders. You can have a bad year and fall 30 spots and still stay in. That's a big difference. It's a money thing, like everything else. Which is fine, but don't fill my head full of crap and try to make me believe that you're looking out for the future of rodeo. You're looking out for the future of your retirement. It's a business venture, period. I wish them luck.
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-11-10 4:44 AM
It would be a entirely different ball game IF the ERA was producing their own qualifying rodeo's. Not piggy backing off the PRCA. They want the PRCA to do all the work for them, and take all the risks to hand them their "Elite" on a silver platter so they can reap the benefits. The PBR is producing all their own events, not using the PRCA to give them their "Elite". As far as I'm concerned they are acting like spoiled little kids throwing their sucker in the dirt when the parents tighten the purse strings. If they want to stand on their own 2 feet then do that, but do the work and take the risks to get there. They need to produce ALL their own rodeo's and qualifying events.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM
I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are.
Yes!!! And I think it would be super interesting to get some new blood in there!! It's kind of like, "Oh, so you won another world title, yes yes, great job. Retire already, I want to see who else is hanging tight."
I really want the ERA to become a thing. I'd love for the greats to be pounding on each other in their own pen, with some underdogs in there to cheer for.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM
I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are.
Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter.
I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion.
I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person.
Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
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Location: The edge of no where | kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
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kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
Oh yes I understand its a VERY small piece and they werent doing it out of "kindness" lol, but I just was wondering what would make them want to up it in years to come if all the world champions (if they are even proud of those titles after yesterdays press release) are jumping ship. I just think they were moving prize money in a positve direction in Las Vegas and now this. | |
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Location: Texas | kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
A lot of those guys have several horses and their #1 mounts aren't used at all the smaller rodeos... they're saved for the big ones or they compete on other people's horses. So their first string mounts for the most part aren't getting run to the ground during the year. those big guys are just like the top girls in barrel racing that have several rigs going different places and they hop on planes to get to the next rodeo. Yes, there are some in every discipline that have ONE horse and make it on that one, but thats not always the case. And, rough stock riders don't haul anything | |
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| casualdust07 - 2015-11-10 8:21 AM
kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
A lot of those guys have several horses and their #1 mounts aren't used at all the smaller rodeos... they're saved for the big ones or they compete on other people's horses. So their first string mounts for the most part aren't getting run to the ground during the year. those big guys are just like the top girls in barrel racing that have several rigs going different places and they hop on planes to get to the next rodeo. Yes, there are some in every discipline that have ONE horse and make it on that one, but thats not always the case. And, rough stock riders don't haul anything
Doesnt matter if its 1st string or 3rd string the horses still have to be hauled all over the country. Isnt that one of the selling points of the ERA anyway? More money, less travel.
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kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
A lot of those guys have several horses and their #1 mounts aren't used at all the smaller rodeos... they're saved for the big ones or they compete on other people's horses. So their first string mounts for the most part aren't getting run to the ground during the year. those big guys are just like the top girls in barrel racing that have several rigs going different places and they hop on planes to get to the next rodeo. Yes, there are some in every discipline that have ONE horse and make it on that one, but thats not always the case. And, rough stock riders don't haul anything
Doesnt matter if its 1st string or 3rd string the horses still have to be hauled all over the country. Isnt that one of the selling points of the ERA anyway? More money, less travel.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:30 AM casualdust07 - 2015-11-10 8:21 AM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? A lot of those guys have several horses and their #1 mounts aren't used at all the smaller rodeos... they're saved for the big ones or they compete on other people's horses. So their first string mounts for the most part aren't getting run to the ground during the year. those big guys are just like the top girls in barrel racing that have several rigs going different places and they hop on planes to get to the next rodeo. Yes, there are some in every discipline that have ONE horse and make it on that one, but thats not always the case. And, rough stock riders don't haul anything Doesnt matter if its 1st string or 3rd string the horses still have to be hauled all over the country. Isnt that one of the selling points of the ERA anyway? More money, less travel.
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Location: MI | Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of the ERA but am interested to see how it plays out. In this argument though, 2 things come to my mind:
1. I thought the new PRCA by-laws only applied to the 'board members' of the ERA? If that's the case, and the ERA founders said that they want this new association so they can 'haul less' - then why are they upset about being 'pushed out' out of the PRCA? Are they worried they won't make it in the ERA? or were they planning on still participating in the PRCA rodeos while on the ERA tour - in which case they are adding to their schedule (and potentially paycheck) by adding the ERA dates? (I understand they may have to rodeo in the PRCA if they fall down in the ERA rankings, but shouldn't have to while on the ERA tour if their motives are true)
2. I didn't see the PRCA making laws against participation when the American started - but, they have been a parallel organization of sorts with their own qualifying system - and, I didn't see the American making digs at the PRCA, which I do feel that the ERA has done multiple times in their press.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:12 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-10 8:07 AM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? Oh yes I understand its a VERY small piece and they werent doing it out of "kindness" lol, but I just was wondering what would make them want to up it in years to come if all the world champions (if they are even proud of those titles after yesterdays press release ) are jumping ship. I just think they were moving prize money in a positve direction in Las Vegas and now this.
I don't think they are "jumping ship"....they are, now, being pushed overboard......"Some" (not all) of the original owners were STILL planning to rodeo but this concept gave them the "option" to cut their traveling if they didn't want to haul...... | |
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| NJJ - 2015-11-10 11:01 AM
kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:12 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-10 8:07 AM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? Oh yes I understand its a VERY small piece and they werent doing it out of "kindness" lol, but I just was wondering what would make them want to up it in years to come if all the world champions (if they are even proud of those titles after yesterdays press release ) are jumping ship. I just think they were moving prize money in a positve direction in Las Vegas and now this.
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2015-11-10 11:46 AM
Not to be completely crappy, but they could get a "real" job and be home with their family every night. No one is holding a gun to their head and making them rodeo for a living. They are choosing to do that. It's hard to empathize with them while working a full time job, and 3-5 part time jobs, in order to be able to go to 25-30 circuit rodeos a year. My horse is winning more than I'm spending on fees and travel, but not enough to make pickup and trailer payments, let alone living expenses.
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I am in sales and would love to have a pay raise and travel less. Only way to do that is to get a different job. | |
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| Membership has its privileges and it has its restrictions. If you want to be a PRCA member then you are restricted by its regulations, plain and simple. No one makes a person be a member. If you don't like it, don't be a member. Or get enough members to back a certain train of thought to make the association reconsider its rules. I don't know that this is so much about what the PRCA is trying to make the ERA do or don't do as much as it is limiting what its members can do. Other than utilizing its rodeos for the qualifiers. May have to go the American route and come up with your own qualifiers.
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| ksjackofalltrades - 2015-11-10 11:52 AM
Ha Ha. Rodeo cowboy and real job don't go together.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | moeandme2008 - 2015-11-10 12:27 PM Absolutely! I am in sales and would love to have a pay raise and travel less. Only way to do that is to get a different job.
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I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are.
Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter.
I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion.
I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person.
Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB. | |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-11-10 6:44 AM
It would be a entirely different ball game IF the ERA was producing their own qualifying rodeo's. Not piggy backing off the PRCA. They want the PRCA to do all the work for them, and take all the risks to hand them their "Elite" on a silver platter so they can reap the benefits. The PBR is producing all their own events, not using the PRCA to give them their "Elite". As far as I'm concerned they are acting like spoiled little kids throwing their sucker in the dirt when the parents tighten the purse strings. If they want to stand on their own 2 feet then do that, but do the work and take the risks to get there. They need to produce ALL their own rodeo's and qualifying events.
I agree if they are 100% into the era then don't go to the nfr this year. I find it funny they are saying how bad the prca is when the prca MADE them champions. If they leave there are lots of hungry cowboys and cowgirl ready to take their places.
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Location: The edge of no where | TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
I guess this is the mindset I don't understand. 'That's the way it's always been, if you want more - then don't rodeo.' What's wrong with attempting to evolve the sport? How many of you have rodeo'd for a living? Just because it doesn't make economic sense now, does it mean that's how it will always have to be? If you look at a lot of the cowboys/cowgirls in the top 30ish - they've either got family money or very strong backing from someone else's checkbook. Not ALL of them have these resources, but it takes a lot to continue to haul when you hit a slump and you're not winning. Many others look at the economics of rodeo and even tho they are talented enough - decide that the payback doesn't justify the costs. What's wrong with wanting it to pay enough to pay a mortagage and build a retirement? Do you know how many world champions retire with nothing? (it makes me sad). Have you looked at what it costs to haul all year? Just a few things to think about. Would many of you walk up to Trevor and call him the names you've called them on here? I can't think of anyone that's worked harder and done a better job of staying on top of his game. I'm not saying ERA is perfect by any means...but I just see nothing wrong with trying to make changes. The PRCA hasn't worked with the cowboys for years, they've brought this deal on.....it's a 'my way or the highway' attitude is all you'll see from them. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
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Location: Kansas and loving it | MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM
TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
I think they should step back and look at other people struggling financially with their jobs and families. Such as our Teachers, our Military, and those people who help you every day, when you are shopping, buying from the feed stores, drive thru at fast food places. Being involved in a sport is your choice. Rodeo is becoming more and more like baseball. After the strike, I don't pay attention to them. I will watch a games like the Royals in the series, but the last series was Boston after 84 years. I don't have to watch rodeo. | |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | NJJ - 2015-11-11 9:13 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
BINGO!!! The PRCA has brought this situation on themselves. They have failed at bringing the sport into the 21st centruy. They long ago quit caring about the thoughts, feelings, ideas of the general membership. Politics at it finest where the "self promotion" of the management trumps the working stiffs. | |
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Where is it now?
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Location: PNW | arion - 2015-11-11 7:54 AM
where is all this money going to come from?
Where is it now?
I could be totally botching this, so forgive me.
It is reportedly coming from tax funds out of of Texas, with the intent that it will be paid back. Or something.
I honestly don't care enough to research it. I wish we could all find a different horse to beat. This is the same "PRCA is a bunch of puppy kickers! ERA farts glitter and craps gold! Nuh uh. Yes huh. Nuh uh. Yes huh." conversation. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | arion - 2015-11-11 9:54 AM where is all this money going to come from? Where is it now?
I agree...kind of like fast food servers demanding $15.00 an hour.
Rodeo has evolved and back in my day, I never thought I would see rodeo contestants running for the kind of money they are. They will never be equal with other sports because they don't have the fan base to support the big bucks that baseball, basketball and football have. It's reality and sometimes reality sucks. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | svincent - 2015-11-11 11:06 AM arion - 2015-11-11 7:54 AM where is all this money going to come from? Where is it now? I could be totally botching this, so forgive me. It is reportedly coming from tax funds out of of Texas, with the intent that it will be paid back. Or something. I honestly don't care enough to research it. I wish we could all find a different horse to beat. This is the same "PRCA is a bunch of puppy kickers! ERA farts glitter and craps gold! Nuh uh. Yes huh. Nuh uh. Yes huh." conversation.
You can google ETF/MTF if you want to read about it.
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| Sorry. Not sorry. The platform for the ERA was to travel less, make more money so they could be with family. I certainly appreciate the sentiment and most of us would LOVE to work less and make more money. I left an executive job making 3x the money I do now so I could have more time for my family, to be a better wife, mother and of course actually have time for my horses without feeling guilty. As has alreaeen pointed out their qualifying system isn't one in which THEY HOST OR SANCTION. They're not doing the work or paying the $. They've basically given the prca the middle finger, an organization in which made them champions. I'm not saying the prca is perfect but it was good enough for them for MANY years and titles. This years nfr round payout is 27k? Is that not evolvement?
For those of you arguing about breaking even and retirement etc. Seriously? Trevor, charmayne, Fallon and I'm sure others all have endorsement deals from multiple companies, not to mention being some of them being multimillion dollar winners over the duration of their career. I think MOST people worry about having enough for retirement, welcome to reality. I'm not sympathetic to their "plight" based off those arguments. Quite frankly these elite are coming across as arrogant and narcissistic much like the other sports celebrities. | |
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| iloveequine40 - 2015-11-11 12:57 PM
Sorry. Not sorry. The platform for the ERA was to travel less, make more money so they could be with family. I certainly appreciate the sentiment and most of us would LOVE to work less and make more money. I left an executive job making 3x the money I do now so I could have more time for my family, to be a better wife, mother and of course actually have time for my horses without feeling guilty. As has alreaeen pointed out their qualifying system isn't one in which THEY HOST OR SANCTION. They're not doing the work or paying the $. They've basically given the prca the middle finger, an organization in which made them champions. I'm not saying the prca is perfect but it was good enough for them for MANY years and titles. This years nfr round payout is 27k? Is that not evolvement?
For those of you arguing about breaking even and retirement etc. Seriously? Trevor, charmayne, Fallon and I'm sure others all have endorsement deals from multiple companies, not to mention being some of them being multimillion dollar winners over the duration of their career. I think MOST people worry about having enough for retirement, welcome to reality. I'm not sympathetic to their "plight" based off those arguments. Quite frankly these elite are coming across as arrogant and narcissistic much like the other sports celebrities.
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| SC Wrangler - 2015-11-11 9:31 AM NJJ - 2015-11-11 9:13 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
I am not a big fan of the PRCA or WPRA and how they treat contestants. BUT...that being said...their job as an organization is to put on rodeos...rodeos all over the country...circuit rodeos for people that dont want to go super far, as many rodeos as they can so that people have something to go to all year around if that is truly how they "make a living."......and that is what they do...they put on rodeos....they dont cater to cowboys or cowgirls...if you dont like the way they do stuff then dont enter....or do like the ERA and create your own association....and do your OWN things, with your OWN money, off your OWN rules and be done with it. It is NOT the PRCA's job to retire cowboys. No one is FORCING these guys down the road. Now, if they dont want to go as far then dont...if you cant make a living at your new associations 15 tour rodeos then go to some ammys, go to some jackpots....get a REAL job. No one said you had to rodeo, its a PRIVILEGE, no one owes you the chance to rodeo for the rest of your life and get rich off of it. I say LET THEM enter the PRCA rodeos as well.....we will see who REALLY wanted to rodeo less and stay home......I'd take bets on how many made just as many rodeos to get to both the NFR and ERA tour rodeos. You are going to tell me that someome SO concerned with rodeoing for a living and making money is going to take a chance at not making enough PRCA rodeos to run at 27k / Night at the NFR. YEAH RIGHT. They want the ERA to make them money AND they still will haul their butts off to get to the NFR. I dont care if PRCA lets them compete...I think they should...why not???!! But i think ERA is coming off of an arrogant, entitled, narcissistic and UNGRATEFUL association and needs a new PR manager STAT. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | And because you make money, it also doesn't guarantee that you are going to have any money left when you do retire. Look at all the football players making millions that end up dead broke.
For many people rodeo is never leaving your childhood playground and not having to grow up. You know this coming in and no one is blowing smoke that you are going to make tons of money and retire well. It sucks being a grownup and having to make grownup decisions.
The ERA, IMO, is already proving that it's not going to help the masses that want to rodeo. They are making the PRCA look pretty good instead of making them look bad. Like someone else said...The ERA is like a traveling Disney on Ice show.
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Location: sunny california | i know a lot of people that have worked over 60 hours a week for over 30 years and are very good at what they do. they are worried about retirement. I really don't forsee me being able to keep my place or lifestyle when I retire. When you quit working most of us will have to down grade it is part of life | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | kwanatha - 2015-11-11 3:14 PM i know a lot of people that have worked over 60 hours a week for over 30 years and are very good at what they do. they are worried about retirement. I really don't forsee me being able to keep my place or lifestyle when I retire. When you quit working most of us will have to down grade it is part of life
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| I know there are a lot of sponsors and such, but I have a hard time understanding the "poor" cowboy/cowgirl theme when so many of them have rigs nicer than my house, all the highest $ tack, clothes, boots, etc. Not counting the cost of a lot of those horses to ride. Yes, I know they have sponsors and yes, I know it takes the best care to keep horses going like that, but really? There are also those who have made it very far with MUCH less show of money. And those who make it with a lot less miles traveled. I agree with promoting rodeo and growing the fan base, but I don't like the "give me more money" attitude. Am I crazy to feel like they aren't "that poor"? If it was easy, everyone would do it? | |
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| I'm not advocating for prca however I really think piggybacking off of prca or other rodeo organization to qualify for their finals was a way for them to not have to spend the $ and invest the time to produce them. If they want to have elite association then produce your own rodeos.It's simple | |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | All of this makes me glad that I just want to rodeo in my state and that's it lol.
Screw national championships.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | iloveequine40 - 2015-11-11 4:27 PM I'm not advocating for prca however I really think piggybacking off of prca or other rodeo organization to qualify for their finals was a way for them to not have to spend the $ and invest the time to produce them. If they want to have elite association then produce your own rodeos.It's simple
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Nevertooold - 2015-11-11 6:42 PM iloveequine40 - 2015-11-11 4:27 PM I'm not advocating for prca however I really think piggybacking off of prca or other rodeo organization to qualify for their finals was a way for them to not have to spend the $ and invest the time to produce them. If they want to have elite association then produce your own rodeos.It's simple
The only ones who will probably get rich out of this deal will be the lawyers......LOL
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grinandbareit - 2015-11-09 10:21 PM SKM - 2015-11-09 7:38 PM What were the ERA people thinking would happen when: 1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos. 2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions. 3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA. 4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent? I was actually all for the ERA... in the beginning. They are only adding two people to each event each season, so only 16 people will advance to the next season... The only way you can qualify is to get points in an event that has all seven events with at least $5k added to each event. So, you have to haul your butt off to qualify. Definitely not a big improvement for those not already in. Once you get in, you have to stay in the top six or you better start the hauling game again. The PBR has one event and fifty of the top riders. You can have a bad year and fall 30 spots and still stay in. That's a big difference. It's a money thing, like everything else. Which is fine, but don't fill my head full of crap and try to make me believe that you're looking out for the future of rodeo. You're looking out for the future of your retirement. It's a business venture, period. I wish them luck.
It'll still be a hauling game to get in... You designate up to 10 rodeos per QUARTER. That's up to 40 rodeos per year, and they have to have $5k added to the BARREL RACE. So unless you're going to the big rodeos, you aren't going to find many qualifiers in your area.
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| I hope it works out for both side in a positive way, because I love rodeo. I'm not sure how both sides could end up happy, but I hope they do.
I hope they all become gazillionaires, have their stories featured on Entertainment Tonight, and the national/local nightly sports news segments.
Maybe it will make rodeo so popular more rodeos will happen and more money will be put up for the weekend warrior.
Just make your own way peeps.
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | This also goes to show... money is evil! >.< | |
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http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/11/10/showdown-between-cowboys-and-pro-rodeo.htm
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| How is the PRCA a monopoly? A monopoly means it's the only one and has run the competition out of business. Numerous states have rodeo associations. You also have the IPRA, Indian rodeos, gay rodeos, youth rodeos, etc.
I have no problems with the ERA. But if they want to be an association, they need to stand on their own two feet and not expect to become great by being a parasite off of the PRCA.
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| Phxbarrel - 2015-11-11 9:23 PM
This also goes to show... money is evil! >.<
unless you have it
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grinandbareit - 2015-11-09 10:21 PM SKM - 2015-11-09 7:38 PM What were the ERA people thinking would happen when: 1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos. 2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions. 3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA. 4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent? I was actually all for the ERA... in the beginning. They are only adding two people to each event each season, so only 16 people will advance to the next season... The only way you can qualify is to get points in an event that has all seven events with at least $5k added to each event. So, you have to haul your butt off to qualify. Definitely not a big improvement for those not already in. Once you get in, you have to stay in the top six or you better start the hauling game again. The PBR has one event and fifty of the top riders. You can have a bad year and fall 30 spots and still stay in. That's a big difference. It's a money thing, like everything else. Which is fine, but don't fill my head full of crap and try to make me believe that you're looking out for the future of rodeo. You're looking out for the future of your retirement. It's a business venture, period. I wish them luck.
It'll still be a hauling game to get in... You designate up to 10 rodeos per QUARTER. That's up to 40 rodeos per year, and they have to have $5k added to the BARREL RACE. So unless you're going to the big rodeos, you aren't going to find many qualifiers in your area.
And most of those BIG rodeos are limited entry rodeos anyway. So you have to be hauling and winning to be eligible to enter those... | |
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| SKM - 2015-11-12 5:16 AM
How is the PRCA a monopoly? A monopoly means it's the only one and has run the competition out of business. Numerous states have rodeo associations. You also have the IPRA, Indian rodeos, gay rodeos, youth rodeos, etc.
I have no problems with the ERA. But if they want to be an association, they need to stand on their own two feet and not expect to become great by being a parasite off of the PRCA.
It may be considered a monopoly because if you do one (ERA) you can't do the other. It used to be that if you rodeoed PRCA you couldn't ammy rodeo. PRCA lost that case. All points aside (piggy backing, etc), it will come down to whether the court believes the PRCA bylaw is valid or not under the law. | |
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| azsun - 2015-11-12 11:13 AM SKM - 2015-11-12 5:16 AM How is the PRCA a monopoly? A monopoly means it's the only one and has run the competition out of business. Numerous states have rodeo associations. You also have the IPRA, Indian rodeos, gay rodeos, youth rodeos, etc. I have no problems with the ERA. But if they want to be an association, they need to stand on their own two feet and not expect to become great by being a parasite off of the PRCA. It may be considered a monopoly because if you do one (ERA ) you can't do the other. It used to be that if you rodeoed PRCA you couldn't ammy rodeo. PRCA lost that case. All points aside (piggy backing, etc ), it will come down to whether the court believes the PRCA bylaw is valid or not under the law.
I agree. I do not see where it would be considered a monopoly. Even if they do not allow ERA members to compete they are still allowing other rodeo association members to compete.
No one "needs" the PRCA to rodeo. I also diagree where it says in the a lawsuit “For decades now, PRCA-sanction rodeos have been the only game in town for a professional rodeo athlete”. Like azsun said "You also have the IPRA".
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SKM - 2015-11-12 5:16 AM
How is the PRCA a monopoly? A monopoly means it's the only one and has run the competition out of business. Numerous states have rodeo associations. You also have the IPRA, Indian rodeos, gay rodeos, youth rodeos, etc.
I have no problems with the ERA. But if they want to be an association, they need to stand on their own two feet and not expect to become great by being a parasite off of the PRCA.
It may be considered a monopoly because if you do one (ERA ) you can't do the other. It used to be that if you rodeoed PRCA you couldn't ammy rodeo. PRCA lost that case. All points aside (piggy backing, etc ), it will come down to whether the court believes the PRCA bylaw is valid or not under the law.
Back in the late 80's, early 90's, the PRCA said you couldn't do ammy rodeos. They lost (as they should have).
In the case of the ERA, the PRCA is not telling people they can't compete. What they said is you can't be a board member, shareholder or have a financial interest and also belong to the PRCA. To me it's the same as saying "If you are a board member,or a shareholder or have a financial interest at Chevrolet, you can't work for Ford as well".
Again, I think all of thus would be a mote point if the ERA wasn't trying to have a parasitic relationship with the PRCA in order for it to become a viable association. | |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | MOTIVATED - 2015-11-11 1:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2015-11-11 9:31 AM NJJ - 2015-11-11 9:13 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
Yup their job is to put on rodeos, and with their agenda in doing so they have ****ed off the finest rodeo committees and the biggest and best rodeos in the country have proven that they don't need the PRCA. Great job!!! | |
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| Well if these people ie the ERA or so ****ed off then why not just cut all ties and be done. Look we all have jobs or belong to groups we don't absolutely LOVE. You have a choice deal with it or move on, ESPECIALLY in a job as rodeo professional. Their platform to do less work and make more $ is euphoric. MOST people who take a lesser work load job make less money!
I honestly think their plan for this ERA was not well planned. I'm sure they had a ton of interest from sponsors, contractors etc but not a commitment from them. Everyone will talk a good game but until you have a contract and $ in hand its not a done deal. I worked in Marketing for a long time and with this economy companies aren't just blindly signing over sponsorship/advertising dollars. They either made this up as they went along and didn't do enough research into production cost and the piggy backing is plan B or they thought the prca would be ok with them using their sanctioned shows that they did all the work for, for FREE.
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| SKM - 2015-11-12 10:55 AM
azsun - 2015-11-12 9:13 AM
SKM - 2015-11-12 5:16 AM
How is the PRCA a monopoly? A monopoly means it's the only one and has run the competition out of business. Numerous states have rodeo associations. You also have the IPRA, Indian rodeos, gay rodeos, youth rodeos, etc.
I have no problems with the ERA. But if they want to be an association, they need to stand on their own two feet and not expect to become great by being a parasite off of the PRCA.
It may be considered a monopoly because if you do one (ERA ) you can't do the other. It used to be that if you rodeoed PRCA you couldn't ammy rodeo. PRCA lost that case. All points aside (piggy backing, etc ), it will come down to whether the court believes the PRCA bylaw is valid or not under the law.
Back in the late 80's, early 90's, the PRCA said you couldn't do ammy rodeos. They lost (as they should have ).
In the case of the ERA, the PRCA is not telling people they can't compete. What they said is you can't be a board member, shareholder or have a financial interest and also belong to the PRCA. To me it's the same as saying "If you are a board member,or a shareholder or have a financial interest at Chevrolet, you can't work for Ford as well".
Again, I think all of thus would be a mote point if the ERA wasn't trying to have a parasitic relationship with the PRCA in order for it to become a viable association.
The legal issue still is whether the bylaws that were passed are a violation of the law. I don't know the answer and it will depend on the judge and his/her interpretation of the law. | |
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| SC Wrangler - 2015-11-12 11:46 AM MOTIVATED - 2015-11-11 1:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2015-11-11 9:31 AM NJJ - 2015-11-11 9:13 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
Which rodeos are you talking about? Which BIG AND BEST rodeo commitee isn't using the PRCA anymore? I know there has been past trouble with Houston, Calgary....thats all I can think of....the only really big ones. And I dont see either of them backing out with the PRCA to jump in with the ERA this year as their new venues.....not yet anyway. I am not against the ERA...and I think PRCA should let them compete...I just think they sound like a bunch of spoiled, entitled brats in the press releases.
Edited by MOTIVATED 2015-11-12 4:35 PM
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | MOTIVATED - 2015-11-12 4:29 PM SC Wrangler - 2015-11-12 11:46 AM MOTIVATED - 2015-11-11 1:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2015-11-11 9:31 AM NJJ - 2015-11-11 9:13 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
Calgary and Houston were the big rodeos I was basically referring to. I have no feeling about the ERA one way or another. Time will tell the story one way or another. But I definitely feel like the PRCA is failing as far as representing the cowboys and responding to their needs and concerns. It is all well and good to say they can go elsewhere if they are not happy with the association, but it is a two way street and without the cowboys, the PRCA isn't jack. | |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | I am wondering if all those who support the ERA on this forum have bought tickets? | |
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| Someone on Tufs fan pg is saying (pretty passionately) the ERA is "like" the rodeo olympics and the PRCA is like the Nationals or worlds where one qualifies for the Olympics and you hone your skills in that type of venue to prepare you for the olympics. | |
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| SC Wrangler - 2015-11-14 9:49 AM
Calgary and Houston were the big rodeos I was basically referring to. I have no feeling about the ERA one way or another. Time will tell the story one way or another. But I definitely feel like the PRCA is failing as far as representing the cowboys and responding to their needs and concerns. It is all well and good to say they can go elsewhere if they are not happy with the association, but it is a two way street and without the cowboys, the PRCA isn't jack.
First off, not defending the ERA here, I think that they should stand on their own two feet.
How many on here know that that rodeo committees have to pay a sanction fee in any association that they affiliate with? And that the PRCA sanction fees are hefty? And that ach year you have a successful PRCA rodeo, that sanction fee goes up? The bigger the rodeo, the higher the sanction fee, the higher the price hike per year goes up. This is a factor in why some successful rodeos have left the PRCA.
Just thought that I would point that out. That is all. | |
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Location: Colorado plains standing on a goat head! | rodeoveteran - 2015-11-14 11:20 AM SC Wrangler - 2015-11-14 9:49 AM Calgary and Houston were the big rodeos I was basically referring to. I have no feeling about the ERA one way or another. Time will tell the story one way or another. But I definitely feel like the PRCA is failing as far as representing the cowboys and responding to their needs and concerns. It is all well and good to say they can go elsewhere if they are not happy with the association, but it is a two way street and without the cowboys, the PRCA isn't jack.
Colorado Springs (right in the PRCA's backyard) is a pretty good sized rodeo that has not been a PRCA rodeo for the last two years. The committee said they can give more money to their military charities and pay the contestants better. It is now a Cinch rodeo with a good format where they have a winner each night and then a semi-finals and a champion round on Saturday night with $15,000 to the winner of each event. | |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | rockette - 2015-11-14 9:55 AM
I am wondering if all those who support the ERA on this forum have bought tickets?
Nobody? | |
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| paysonw - 2015-11-14 2:33 PM
rodeoveteran - 2015-11-14 11:20 AM SC Wrangler - 2015-11-14 9:49 AM Calgary and Houston were the big rodeos I was basically referring to. I have no feeling about the ERA one way or another. Time will tell the story one way or another. But I definitely feel like the PRCA is failing as far as representing the cowboys and responding to their needs and concerns. It is all well and good to say they can go elsewhere if they are not happy with the association, but it is a two way street and without the cowboys, the PRCA isn't jack. First off, not defending the ERA here, I think that they should stand on their own two feet. How many on here know that that rodeo committees have to pay a sanction fee in any association that they affiliate with? And that the PRCA sanction fees are hefty? And that ach year you have a successful PRCA rodeo, that sanction fee goes up? The bigger the rodeo, the higher the sanction fee, the higher the price hike per year goes up. This is a factor in why some successful rodeos have left the PRCA. Just thought that I would point that out. That is all.
Colorado Springs (right in the PRCA's backyard) is a pretty good sized rodeo that has not been a PRCA rodeo for the last two years. The committee said they can give more money to their military charities and pay the contestants better. It is now a Cinch rodeo with a good format where they have a winner each night and then a semi-finals and a champion round on Saturday night with $15,000 to the winner of each event.
The judges totally screwed one barrel racer there last year. It was a bad deal. The girl right before her didn't check in. So when it was Elaine's turn, they pulled the barrels because they thought they were done. They refused to let her run until after the rodeo. It started raining. Then the clowns blew something up at first barrel. The judges didn't have anyone clean the mess up and didn't bother to set the barrels on the stakes right. In their words when they were told what happened was just wrong..."We can do whatever we want because we don't have any rules to follow". | |
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