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| Boarder is seen on live camera - Using my horses alfalfa instead of buying their own but continually says oh yeah I'm going to pick some up. Has been out for 2 weeks now. Today is the first day I actually saw this but had been wondering why I was going through my bales so fast....
and the list goes on....
1 - does not pay on time and definitely does not pay if they are not reminded even though they know they owe it each month.
2 - borrows items but never returns them (if I am not using the bit, sheet, blanket, etc.) then this boarder seems to feel the right to use and continue to use.
3 - if the boarder is asked to do something and does not do it, they come up with 100 reasons why they didn't get it done and even goes as far as blaming you for not getting it done.
so many more things to list but I will leave it at that.
Opinions please!
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| Yes, I board 3 horses for them. I have gone above and beyond and then to see this on my camera today just stuck hard. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | This should be a no brainer. There are far better boarders who will pay more and pay on time. They aren't even your friened if you think they are, because friends don't do that to friends. BYE FELICIA! 
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | 2Hearts - 2015-11-09 2:46 PM Yes, I board 3 horses for them. I have gone above and beyond and then to see this on my camera today just stuck hard.
I would be telling them to move then, stealing is so wrong and this is what I call stealing.. Camera's dont lie, you are losing money, sounds like you are just to darn nice, give them boot  |
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| Set them straight, or tell them they have to go! Everything you listed is unreasonable to deal with. |
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Location: West Texas | You steal hay, you don't stay. First offense is the last because you will be gone here. |
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| Would have been gone way faster around here. Wont put up with a theif or a liar. Was this person your "friend" when they moved in? Sounds like they are walking all over you.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | 2Hearts - 2015-11-09 3:27 PM Yes was a friend so I thought.
Well he/she is taking advantage of you, you must be really nice to be putting up with someone like this..Sorry for being right to the point but they need to be gone like last month.  |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | 2Hearts - 2015-11-09 3:27 PM Yes was a friend so I thought. Hugs to you but they are using you... If there is no contract I would give them a 24 hour notice... If there is a contract i'd give them a 30 day notice and warn them that if they steal your hay within that 30 day period their horse will be tied to the front gate and you'll sell whatever possesions are left to compensate yourself for the hay bill. (Given, you don't have to go that far, but it should scare her enough that she won't steal again.)
Maybe she thought $75/month and YOU supplied feed/hay? Either way, I feel like you should clarify next time a friend moves in to save yourself the head ache. And for sure get a written contract! 
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Location: MD | kick him out. once you have sticky fingers you'll always have sticky fingers. nothing you do or say will fix it. It's easier to just rip the bandaid. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Crowned Image - 2015-11-09 3:32 PM kick him out. once you have sticky fingers you'll always have sticky fingers. nothing you do or say will fix it. It's easier to just rip the bandaid.
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Location: North Dakota | Even if you have a contract, THEFT should void it.
If you want to be the "good guy" you could give them 30 days to find a new place for their 3 horses. But stealing is stealing. If they don't mind stealing hay from you, imagine what else they might steal when they know you are giving them the boot!
I'd also remind them you have camera's all over the place.
Honestly, I'd tell them to leave now. Stealing is not acceptable. I'd also charge them late fees for when the board is late.
Could also charge them for the alfalfa they've been stealing that you will have to replace.
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | Before you do anything, lock anything up that you can.
Then give them the boot and a bill for what you know they stole.
I might even look into a boarding lein (I think that is what it called). Gives you the right to sell the horses to recoup the money they have not paid. |
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | I'd make them replace they hay they "took" for starters. And definitely get them outta there! They obviously have no respect and sadly, alot of "friends" can be like this :( but no reason for you to bend over backwards just for them to walk all over you ! |
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| There is a contract in place stating that they pay $75.00 per horse which is for boarding fees only. All hay and feed has to be supplied by boarder and I actually have that the lease is month to month and can be terminated by either party with two weeks notice.
All they had to do was ASK and replace the hay. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | We teach people how to treat us....It's time to teach this "friend" that you are done letting them take advantage of you. As others have said...lock up valuables...including your alfalfa hay...and serve them with a written eviction/termination of the boarding contract. If they question why (these folks never seem to see anything they do as wrong and will act hurt and as if they have no idea why you would do this to a friend)...tell them you have camera video of them taking your hay and you don't let so called friends treat you like crap.
If you are the non-confrontational sort...just tell them you don't think it is working out and you don't want to have any boarders for a while. If they push...be firm. If they are jerks...send them the video...that oughta clue them in to just leave. |
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| 2Hearts - 2015-11-09 3:44 PM
There is a contract in place stating that they pay $75.00 per horse which is for boarding fees only. All hay and feed has to be supplied by boarder and I actually have that the lease is month to month and can be terminated by either party with two weeks notice.
All they had to do was ASK and replace the hay.
I want to come board with you! That's super cheap! And I won't steal your hay :)
I agree with the others... Time to show them the door. There's so many great boarders out there, no reason to deal with the bad ones. |
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| Give her two weeks then. I would not be nasty just professional. And I agree with the other poster just say it's not working out. Keep you cool. We had a similar situation and asked the boarder to leave. It turned nasty but there is much more peace at the barn now with them gone. I always say my barn my rules. Plus it's your place of pleasure you don't want to feel uncomfortable at your own place |
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| Give her two weeks then. I would not be nasty just professional. And I agree with the other poster just say it's not working out. Keep you cool. We had a similar situation and asked the boarder to leave. It turned nasty but there is much more peace at the barn now with them gone. I always say my barn my rules. Plus it's your place of pleasure you don't want to feel uncomfortable at your own place |
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| heidiinaz - 2015-11-09 2:17 PM
Give her two weeks then. I would not be nasty just professional. And I agree with the other poster just say it's not working out. Keep you cool. We had a similar situation and asked the boarder to leave. It turned nasty but there is much more peace at the barn now with them gone. I always say my barn my rules. Plus it's your place of pleasure you don't want to feel uncomfortable at your own place
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Location: So. California | Friends do not borrow, use or take without asking first (or in the case of an emergency notifying after the fact) - that is called stealing.
You didn't mention how long they've been there, but this has obviously been building up.
Lock up everything that isn't nailed down if you can. These people cannot be trusted.
Sit down, write a termination/evicition notice (keep a copy for yourself) and hand deliver to them TODAY.
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Location: SE Louisiana | r_beau - 2015-11-09 3:34 PM
Even if you have a contract, THEFT should void it.
If you want to be the "good guy" you could give them 30 days to find a new place for their 3 horses. But stealing is stealing. If they don't mind stealing hay from you, imagine what else they might steal when they know you are giving them the boot!
I'd also remind them you have camera's all over the place.
Honestly, I'd tell them to leave now. Stealing is not acceptable. I'd also charge them late fees for when the board is late.
Could also charge them for the alfalfa they've been stealing that you will have to replace.
If they don't know, I'd not mention the cameras. Those are pretty easy to steal. |
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| First, get all of your stuff back they have "borrowed". Then lock up everything you can. Put cables with locks on the cameras. Then tell them they owe you for hay and from this day forward, late fee for boarding payments is $x and the rates are going up. Raise your boarding rate so high, they will leave. Or just give them 2 wks notice and send them down the road. |
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Location: Texas | I'm afraid if you gave them too much time to vacate, they'd make off with a lot of your stuff. Time to get all your "borrowed" items back and give them the boot. |
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Location: sunny california | This is why I would not want to board where the boarder buys their own feed. You should set a penalty fee for having less than one bale at any one given time per horse like $10 a day. that way you can just feed the horse. There is no way I would walk past a horse and treat them like cinderella. I know if I got super busy I would just pay the fee and be glad my horse got to eat |
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Having run a boarding facility for 9 years, I can make you some hard promises:
1. The stealing will continue. You only caught her once; she's probably been stealing from you the entire time. This happened to me - I have 2 chances and the stealing continued.
2. She will continue to pay late. What you allow will continue. Redo your boarding contract to include a $75 late fee after the board is ONE day late, and enforce it.
3. "Borrowing" items and not returning them is stealing. This will continue.
In my opinion, she needs the boot, and fast.
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Location: Florida.. | these situations usually end badly.. friends dont usually know how to keep it business... contract is void.. she stole..
with that said if you have to keep her then charge full board.. and lock up other stuff.. keep it business.. |
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| Take all of your tack and anything else that you can to your house and lock it up. Tell them you have them on film feeding your expensive hay and they now need to move on down the road. I doubt that you get what is back owed you but will be worth the loss to be rid of them. |
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| Reason # 5 MILLION why I will NOT board horses! 
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Location: Florida | Griz - 2015-11-10 6:21 AM Reason # 5 MILLION why I will NOT board horses!
You are so right. I have 10 empty stalls with paddocks now and have no intention on renting them. |
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Location: CTX | Griz - 2015-11-10 5:21 AM Reason # 5 MILLION why I will NOT board horses!
I am with you Griz! My husband keeps asking me (when we ever move to a bigger piece of land, hopefully in the next couple of years...) if we would board people, and I keep telling him, NOOOOO never. I've been a boarder myself and have seen too much drama, I would end up in jail for sure... |
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| Griz - 2015-11-10 5:21 AM
Reason # 5 MILLION why I will NOT board horses!
Its good when you have the good ones, and really bad when you have the bad ones. Luckily we have REALLY good ones right now. My horses are in a seperate barn so that does help. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Im with rodeomom3...why the hesitation to kick her out...a thief is a thief no matter how you look at it.....she is just going to keep doing it and you are letting her. ....M |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Runaway - 2015-11-09 6:24 PM
Having run a boarding facility for 9 years, I can make you some hard promises:
1. The stealing will continue. You only caught her once; she's probably been stealing from you the entire time. This happened to me - I have 2 chances and the stealing continued.
2. She will continue to pay late. What you allow will continue. Redo your boarding contract to include a $75 late fee after the board is ONE day late, and enforce it.
3. "Borrowing" items and not returning them is stealing. This will continue.
In my opinion, she needs the boot, and fast.
^^^^THIS......That being said, make sure you get everything back that she has borrowed and lock up EVERYTHING.....Give her a very short notice due to THEFT ! |
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| If the hesitation is due to not wanting to rock the boat on your so-called friendship, grow a pair and kick them to the curb as soon as possible.
If she needed hay that badly and couldn't find some, at least offer to pay for yours! But Theft is theft and you have every right to kick the person out. You can decide on if you want them to pay for their theft, do a lein against the charges or whatever, but if nothing else...BOOT! |
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| So I prepared an amended contract stating X amount due by the 5th of each month which will now include feed and hay. If not paid by the 5th there will be a $50.00 late fee. The boarder seems to think I am being unfair:
ME: You are only paying 75 per horse. This is a really fair fee - considering you don't have to come out and feed twice a day etc.
and yes you do pay for your hay and feed each month. BUT I am tired of reminding you that when you run out. I was even getting your round bales each month but I quit because I was carrying the burden and you never could pay for them right away and always had an excuse.
ME: Bottom line - as of today, This amended contract is in place. I then do not have to remind you that you are out of hay and feed, and your horses do not have to go without, AND mine does not get used because you have been out for well over a week.
BOARDER: I never asked you to use yours, I have never ran out of feed & alfalfa is not a must I know I need to get it.
ME: You are right, alfalfa is NOT a must. If you don't want to feed it then we will take it out of the contract.
ME: let me ask you this - did you feed alfalfa to any of the horses this past week?
REALLY LONG PAUSE and then:
BOARDER: I took a flake yesterday to give to XXXX which I was going to give back that's it . I am picking up alfalfa today to load in my friends trailer and was going to bring one out to your house . XXXX and XXXX will be gone for a week XXXX doesn't need alfalfa she isn't doing anything.
Seriously - only took a flake yesterday?
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | 2Hearts - 2015-11-10 11:58 AM So I prepared an amended contract stating X amount due by the 5th of each month which will now include feed and hay. If not paid by the 5th there will be a $50.00 late fee. The boarder seems to think I am being unfair: ME: You are only paying 75 per horse. This is a really fair fee - considering you don't have to come out and feed twice a day etc. and yes you do pay for your hay and feed each month. BUT I am tired of reminding you that when you run out. I was even getting your round bales each month but I quit because I was carrying the burden and you never could pay for them right away and always had an excuse. ME: Bottom line - as of today, This amended contract is in place. I then do not have to remind you that you are out of hay and feed, and your horses do not have to go without, AND mine does not get used because you have been out for well over a week. BOARDER: I never asked you to use yours, I have never ran out of feed & alfalfa is not a must I know I need to get it. ME: You are right, alfalfa is NOT a must. If you don't want to feed it then we will take it out of the contract. ME: let me ask you this - did you feed alfalfa to any of the horses this past week? REALLY LONG PAUSE and then: BOARDER: I took a flake yesterday to give to XXXX which I was going to give back that's it . I am picking up alfalfa today to load in my friends trailer and was going to bring one out to your house . XXXX and XXXX will be gone for a week XXXX doesn't need alfalfa she isn't doing anything. Seriously - only took a flake yesterday? so that about sums it up.
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if the amended and signed contract does not do the trick then the final step will be the notice of move out. |
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| powerstroke power - 2015-11-10 12:37 PM Wait until you catch your friend taking your hay from your stall at a show and throw it into their stall.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | So what your saying is that you are letting her stay at your barn? |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Why are you allowing her to stay? And to argue with you?
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Location: Northwest Florida | Can I board my four at your house?? $75/month for full care, grain/hay/alfalfa included?? Where do I sign?!
Seriously though..
We teach people how to treat us. This "friend" has learned that she can walk over you. She is clearly taking advantage of that and I feel it will continue. She's going to make you enforce that late fee very soon I'm sure. Good luck with that. |
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| To clarify:
total to board the 3 is $475.00 per month which would include feed and hay. This is why I find it surreal that they think I am being unfair.
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Location: Phoenix | 2Hearts - 2015-11-10 11:10 AM To clarify: total to board the 3 is $475.00 per month which would include feed and hay. This is why I find it surreal that they think I am being unfair.
Very fair. I pay $325 for board/feed. If she messes up one more time I'd give her the boot if your amended contract allows!!!! |
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Location: Northwest Florida | 2Hearts - 2015-11-10 1:10 PM
To clarify:
total to board the 3 is $475.00 per month which would include feed and hay. This is why I find it surreal that they think I am being unfair.
They need to realize that they aren't going to find that anywhere else. Tell them to shop around if they believe that is unfair. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gosh I guess I'm confussed here, but I thought you were charging 75 to board. But still be very carefull, once a thief always a thief. They can never be trusted.. |
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Location: Northwest Florida | Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-10 1:49 PM
Gosh I guess I'm confussed here, but I thought you were charging 75 to board. But still be very carefull, once a thief always a thief. They can never be trusted..
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Its $75.00 for board x 3 horses. $225.00 per month and then if I buy the feed it is $475.00 total. |
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| 2Hearts - 2015-11-10 1:10 PM To clarify: total to board the 3 is $475.00 per month which would include feed and hay. This is why I find it surreal that they think I am being unfair.
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Location: So. California | 2Hearts - 2015-11-10 1:01 PM Its $75.00 for board x 3 horses. $225.00 per month and then if I buy the feed it is $475.00 total.
That is so inexpensive...
I pay $275/month one horse. Am never late. Includes pen, feeding, cleaning, water, etc....
You are charging $160 per horse/per month... what a great deal! Do you clean the pens too?
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | I pay $350 for full care board...... but I'm not sure why you haven't kicked her out yet. |
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| it is very reasonable and they are still not happy.
Not to mention full care was included. NOW, per my new contract there is a daily care fee charged of $30.00, so if they do not show up to feed or request me to feed this is the additional they will pay and $30.00 per day can add up quick! |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | 2Hearts - 2015-11-10 3:14 PM
it is very reasonable and they are still not happy.
Not to mention full care was included. NOW, per my new contract there is a daily care fee charged of $30.00, so if they do not show up to feed or request me to feed this is the additional they will pay and $30.00 per day can add up quick!
I hope it works out. Just seems like you have bought yourself more drama than it's worth. |
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| 2Hearts - 2015-11-10 3:14 PM
it is very reasonable and they are still not happy.
Not to mention full care was included. NOW, per my new contract there is a daily care fee charged of $30.00, so if they do not show up to feed or request me to feed this is the additional they will pay and $30.00 per day can add up quick!
So its not full care, you are just supplying feed??
How are you going to limit what she is allowed to feed to her horses??
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 3:45 PM 2Hearts - 2015-11-10 3:14 PM it is very reasonable and they are still not happy. Not to mention full care was included. NOW, per my new contract there is a daily care fee charged of $30.00, so if they do not show up to feed or request me to feed this is the additional they will pay and $30.00 per day can add up quick! So its not full care, you are just supplying feed?? How are you going to limit what she is allowed to feed to her horses?? Best of luck, I can only see them continuing to steal/lie.
If OP can't see the writing on the wall, let me educate you......she will be hauling a bale or two of hay and bags of grain away daily (and anything else you don't have nailed down or locked up.....so that when she moves her horses, she will have lots of hay and feed (stored) to feed them..... |
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Location: Florida.. | bad situation if shes able to get to your feed . I know your trying and not used to this.. so ILl be easy.. Boarders _friends that do this stuff will do anything to benefit theirself.. If you feed your horses Id do the feeding as far as feeding them 2 times a day.. she can come out and do the stalls .. but you need to be in charge of feeding times.. and lock it up...but seriously.. she has no right to argue with you its YOUR barn.. YOUR rules.. periiod.. and you are cheap.. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | NJJ - 2015-11-10 4:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 3:45 PM 2Hearts - 2015-11-10 3:14 PM it is very reasonable and they are still not happy. Not to mention full care was included. NOW, per my new contract there is a daily care fee charged of $30.00, so if they do not show up to feed or request me to feed this is the additional they will pay and $30.00 per day can add up quick! So its not full care, you are just supplying feed?? How are you going to limit what she is allowed to feed to her horses?? Best of luck, I can only see them continuing to steal/lie.
I see this happening and I also see her stealing other things to "borrow" for her horses... If I were you I would have her out asap. If she stole from a "friend" once, she'll do it again. Without thinking twice about getting kicked out or about any repremand or consequence since there has been none up to this point. Contracts and amendments mean nothing to people like this. It's only a fancy sheet of copy paper. |
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Location: North Dakota | 2Hearts - 2015-11-10 11:58 AM So I prepared an amended contract stating X amount due by the 5th of each month which will now include feed and hay. If not paid by the 5th there will be a $50.00 late fee. The boarder seems to think I am being unfair: ME: You are only paying 75 per horse. This is a really fair fee - considering you don't have to come out and feed twice a day etc. and yes you do pay for your hay and feed each month. BUT I am tired of reminding you that when you run out. I was even getting your round bales each month but I quit because I was carrying the burden and you never could pay for them right away and always had an excuse. ME: Bottom line - as of today, This amended contract is in place. I then do not have to remind you that you are out of hay and feed, and your horses do not have to go without, AND mine does not get used because you have been out for well over a week. BOARDER: I never asked you to use yours, I have never ran out of feed & alfalfa is not a must I know I need to get it. ME: You are right, alfalfa is NOT a must. If you don't want to feed it then we will take it out of the contract. ME: let me ask you this - did you feed alfalfa to any of the horses this past week? REALLY LONG PAUSE and then: BOARDER: I took a flake yesterday to give to XXXX which I was going to give back that's it . I am picking up alfalfa today to load in my friends trailer and was going to bring one out to your house . XXXX and XXXX will be gone for a week XXXX doesn't need alfalfa she isn't doing anything. Seriously - only took a flake yesterday? so that about sums it up. Very unsure on why you are keeping the boarder.
What are you going to do when they pay late (like they always do) and refuse to pay you the $50 late fee?
Now, since you are supplying hay, it's hypothetically not theft anymore if they throw some more hay to their horse. Your contract states you are providing it, but I doubt you put in there how much (nor would there be a way you could). Especially since you are calling it "full care" (which it is NOT if you are not feeding the horses), they can feed their horse gobs of hay if they want to (and they probably will to spite you, since they are unhappy).
And what will you do when you DO feed their horses for what you said is $30 a day, and they don't pay you?
I just see this going downhill, unfortunately.
Good luck with your decision.
Edited by r_beau 2015-11-10 5:31 PM
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| Tell them they have 30 minutes to get the F out or you are calling the police and showing them the tape of them STEALING. |
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CAUGHT ON CAMERA - how would you handle?