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| Hi all. It's been a few years since I have been here. I answered my door tonight to see a neighbor standing there. He told me that they had spilled some beans (they have been combining around my place for the last few days) and that my horses had eaten them. Apparently the spill occured last night, but he didn't "think anything of it". This morning when he came back out to the field he said he thought it strange that all of the beans had been pushed away from my fence. Still he didn't think anything about it, until later in the afternoon when he seen them with their heads through the fence eating the beans. I have had the vet out to oil them and give them banamine.
Anyone have any experience with this? I have tried to research online, but am not having any luck finding much. The only thing the vet warned me to watch for were signs of colic and founder. As of right now they are both acting normal. Energetic and running around like goons. I have seen them both have a bowel movement. Any idea how long until we are in the clear? The vet is more cattle than horses, but none of the horse vets in the area were available. |
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Location: Arkansas | Bump and hoping for a "nothing at all" outcome.
Edited by Chandler's Mom 2015-11-10 11:41 PM
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| Soy beans contain around 40% protein value that turns into carbs as an energy source along with 20% natural fat content ..
Your immediate reaction should have been to beat the farmer up and then run to your horse pen and start feeding your horses some average hay that would have a low protein value like 10% to lower the over blast of high protein beans into their digestive system ...
Proteins turn into carbs at a slower digestive rate than plain carbs ... both end up being sucrose in their bodies used as energy ..
Keep in mind .. horses have a quick digestion system of food stuffs and a lengthy digestive system containing the fiber of what they have eaten. .. What they eat today will take two days to come out the other end ..... so by the time you read this ... horses have already absorbed the bean proteins and turned them into carbs ..... all you can do is keep an eye out for any type of lameness in the next couple of months ...
A tell tale sign of problems in the feet is a red line which shows stress inside the hoof ... so ask farrier on your next trimming to look for it... this is a good practice to do every time when getting feet worked on.
It takes a year for a horse to grow his feet out ... when buying or checking your own horses .. look for the growth lines // ridges // ripples that show the growth pattern of your horses feet. The larger and more ridgy a growth ring is .. shows stress, sickness or a big change in protein // carb absorption at that point of time. ..
Whack your farrier if he rasps the outside walls of your horses hooves to smooth them and make them look pretty. He just destroyed the glossy layer that prevents water and bacteria from entering the hoof and erased the past years history of how healthy your horses have been ...
. .... If buying and hoofs outer wall has been rasped smooth ... I wonder what the seller is trying to hide ... and become a little leery on buying that horse.
Your vet did good ... oil can act as a laxative and the banamine relaxed the digestive system to enable them to move crap on out the other end..
It is good thing your horses are using up the energy they have accrued instead of standing around with a high protein ='s an overdose of high carbs ... and not burning up the extra energy ...
GOOD LUCK!!
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2015-11-11 1:43 AM
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | No advice. Hope everything is going alright for your horses.
I would have thanked the farmer for telling me when he did. So many people don't know or don't care enough to say something. At least you were able to get the ball rolling on their recovery and watch for negative signs. |
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| Nita - 2015-11-11 4:51 AM
No advice. Hope everything is going alright for your horses.
I would have thanked the farmer for telling me when he did. So many people don't know or don't care enough to say something. At least you were able to get the ball rolling on their recovery and watch for negative signs.
This - even though I would have been upset, I would guess a lot of farmers wouldn't have a CLUE that this could be harmful to a horse. I sure hope everything is okay with your horses! |
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| Keep checking for a digital pulse. If you feel one, get Ace and stand them in knee deep mud to stop the coffin from rotating. You should be in the clear within 48 hours. |
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| No experience but hope your guys are OK. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | soybeans won't hurt them in moderation just like any other feed. If they're acting fine and pooping then I wouldn't worry about. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Wow that was really nice of the farmer to stop in and tell you this, not many would give a hoot. You did the right thing in having your vet come out. I would just watch and see if any changes in the horses habits happen.  |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-11-11 1:23 AM Soy beans contain around 40% protein value that turns into carbs as an energy source along with 20% natural fat content .. Your immediate reaction should have been to beat the farmer up and then run to your horse pen and start feeding your horses some average hay that would have a low protein value like 10% to lower the over blast of high protein beans into their digestive system ... Proteins turn into carbs at a slower digestive rate than plain carbs ... both end up being sucrose in their bodies used as energy .. Keep in mind .. horses have a quick digestion system of food stuffs and a lengthy digestive system containing the fiber of what they have eaten. .. What they eat today will take two days to come out the other end ..... so by the time you read this ... horses have already absorbed the bean proteins and turned them into carbs ..... all you can do is keep an eye out for any type of lameness in the next couple of months ... A tell tale sign of problems in the feet is a red line which shows stress inside the hoof ... so ask farrier on your next trimming to look for it... this is a good practice to do every time when getting feet worked on. It takes a year for a horse to grow his feet out ... when buying or checking your own horses .. look for the growth lines // ridges // ripples that show the growth pattern of your horses feet. The larger and more ridgy a growth ring is .. shows stress, sickness or a big change in protein // carb absorption at that point of time. .. Whack your farrier if he rasps the outside walls of your horses hooves to smooth them and make them look pretty. He just destroyed the glossy layer that prevents water and bacteria from entering the hoof and erased the past years history of how healthy your horses have been ... . .... If buying and hoofs outer wall has been rasped smooth ... I wonder what the seller is trying to hide ... and become a little leery on buying that horse. Your vet did good ... oil can act as a laxative and the banamine relaxed the digestive system to enable them to move crap on out the other end.. It is good thing your horses are using up the energy they have accrued instead of standing around with a high protein ='s an overdose of high carbs ... and not burning up the extra energy ... GOOD LUCK!!
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| My old gelding has had this happen dozens of times and he hasn't dropped dead yet. We are farmers though, and he's gotten a steel stomach from all the crap the local farmers give him. He used to get ears of corn thrown out of windows to him as they drove down the road, now he loves to follow cars as they drive regardless if they give him anything or not. haha
I would yell and throw a fit about it at first, but it does no good. Old farmers are as stubborn as mules when it comes to changing their ways and 'a little extra won't hurt him' my step dad says as he gives him 4x the amount of grain he needs. I always wondered why my gelding would get so happy to see him feeding.....oh well. Now, they would never do it to my performance horse, but the old gelding is fair game, and frankly, I don't think anything will kill him at this point.
It depends on how much there was, but honestly, I think you will be fine. |
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Location: Centerburg, OH | Beans wont hurt them but the amount they ate may. A couple years ago we turned our cows out on the bean field right after it was ran. They wen crazy snarling up every bean they could find. So they ran around like crazy idiots for a couple weeks |
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| Accidents happen... I sure hope your horses are doing well. I'm glad you were at least notified about it. I farm and ranch and I know a lot of people in the Ag community who would have spoke up. We do care. You may want to consider putting an electric fence up alongside your pasture where the field borders. I'm sure you don't want your horses eating their crops and they probably don't want your horses eating their crops. You will probably have some hyped up ponies for a few days :) All the best! |
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| My vet told me that anytime I suspected consumption of something that might cause them to founder, to give them Banamine and some antihistamine. Watch for a digital pulse and if the feet get hot and they get a bounding digital pulse, stand them in ice water several times a day. And I would, of course, call the vet (which you have done).
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| CLASS TIME FOR SOY BEAN 101 ..
You will find either one of these in any feed you find that is above 10% protein ..
Soy bean meal and alfalfa are both used in pellet form to raise the protein level of the higher energy feeds you buy ...
Always keep an eye on your horses if they consume even a small amount more of their daily feed or a strange feed like the spilling of the green unprocessed soy beans!!
.. Horses have a digestive system that cannot take sharp changes in the amount or protein or carb content of their feed. .. They have a one way valve and they cannot puke, burp or upchuck anything they have swallowed that they are choking on ... and they are too big to do the Heimlich maneuver on .. Keep in mind horses cannot breathe thru their mouth ... only thru the nose which opens up that valve to their lungs .. if choking or gasping then the effort becomes a problem and the valve will be forced open and closed and can get trash in their lungs by over exertion in the throat area ..
And if you are sharing barn feeding duties with others and you are in doubt the horses have been fed ........ assume they have been and just throw them an extra block of hay is much better than feeding grain to a horse twice ... horses will eat a box car load of feed if they have access to it ..
If you do not want to be concerned nor have over feeding problems when you pour a couple of bags of feed out in a trough .... buy you a mule to barrel race on !! ... they have enough sense to eat some and walk away ... lol
END OF CLASS ...
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2015-11-12 2:41 AM
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Speed All The Time
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| Sorry it took so long for the update. They are both doing fine. Running, bucking, and pooping the next morning when they were turned back out into the pasture (after I did a follow up cleaning of beans :-) ) The farmers around here do care. The only reason they may not say anything would be lack of knowledge. This farmer even did his best to clean up the majority of the spill and had called a vet that is a relative as soon as he realized they had eaten them. I love my farming community and accidents happen. I believe he was overly worried and that they did not ingest the amount that he originally feared they had. The hot wire idea is great, except his crops don't line up to my fence. He had his truck parked there and the boys overfilled it. Thanks for all the responses. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ChasinDreams - 2015-11-14 10:10 AM
Sorry it took so long for the update. They are both doing fine. Running, bucking, and pooping the next morning when they were turned back out into the pasture (after I did a follow up cleaning of beans :-) ) The farmers around here do care. The only reason they may not say anything would be lack of knowledge. This farmer even did his best to clean up the majority of the spill and had called a vet that is a relative as soon as he realized they had eaten them. I love my farming community and accidents happen. I believe he was overly worried and that they did not ingest the amount that he originally feared they had. The hot wire idea is great, except his crops don't line up to my fence. He had his truck parked there and the boys overfilled it. Thanks for all the responses.
So glad that nothing happen, That remark about beating up the farmer was pretty mean I thought, I know many farmers and they would have doen the same thing as this farmer by coming and telling you about the spilled beans.  |
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| ChasinDreams - 2015-11-14 11:10 AM
Sorry it took so long for the update. They are both doing fine. Running, bucking, and pooping the next morning when they were turned back out into the pasture (after I did a follow up cleaning of beans :-) ) The farmers around here do care. The only reason they may not say anything would be lack of knowledge. This farmer even did his best to clean up the majority of the spill and had called a vet that is a relative as soon as he realized they had eaten them. I love my farming community and accidents happen. I believe he was overly worried and that they did not ingest the amount that he originally feared they had. The hot wire idea is great, except his crops don't line up to my fence. He had his truck parked there and the boys overfilled it. Thanks for all the responses.
My post wasn't to say they don't care, more of that they don't always believe that it is as bad for them as we say it is (like the ears of corn or extra grain). I'm sure they would feel awful if my gelding did die or get sick from something they gave him, but he's always been a hardy old guy. |
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HELP! Farmer spilled soybeans into horse pasture