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| Just curious. Where are you located and what is the typical winning time on a STANDARD pattern in your area? I'm talking local barrel races and true standard patterns.
I'm in Central, TX. Last week someone broke the arena record in Caldwell with a 16.4. Tonight a 16.5 won it. WPRA measured pattern. Thought its pretty intense for a local, 40 entries race. |
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Location: Texas | I just don't know about that... I wonder if they had the timer scored correctly
I was supposed to go to that race tonight too.
I just find it hard to believe that two weeks in a row, a world record would get broken. At a small jackpot even with tough riders, because really tough people do show up there.
Ugh sorry I keep editing.. are you sure they had it as a WPRA standard pattern? Because Ride Like a Girl keeps track of their own patterns and the arena records on the pattern they use that day. They used to run a short pattern and now they switched back to their "big" pattern.
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| Yes, they posted it was WPRA measured standard pattern. Its a large pattern, and my horse is running 18s which is typical of him on a standard. We definitely aren't trying to be some bada**es ;)
Only one girl took the entire 1D last night. Next fastest time was a 17.1.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think a 16.5 or thereabouts is the record on a standard. Pozzi broke it recently, didn't she? Someone in Brazil held it before that, I think. |
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Location: College Station, TX | Im pretty positive their measurements are off. They don't set the stake at the center of the barrel, and I think the timer distance is off slightly. |
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| 16.9's are your fastest in my area....most are in the low to mid 17's...and 18 is gonna put in the 3-d here, even locally...we are in Louisiana/East Texas |
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| We don't have a standard pattern around here. Every thing in TX is not bigger. |
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Location: California | Mid to low 17's will win around here, in the PNW. . . Obviously not every time, but a lot of the time. |
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Location: So. California | Around here, they set a standard pattern with a short score line. Winning times are low to mid 16's.
100 entries or 500 entries...
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Location: So. California | abrad12 - 2015-11-11 8:52 PM Just curious. Where are you located and what is the typical winning time on a STANDARD pattern in your area? I'm talking local barrel races and true standard patterns. I'm in Central, TX. Last week someone broke the arena record in Caldwell with a 16.4. Tonight a 16.5 won it. WPRA measured pattern. Thought its pretty intense for a local, 40 entries race.
Was this a WPRA race? Who won as that would be a new or close to a new world record |
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Location: MD | I just watched a friend's video from that race from last night. I love my friend, but I know how that horse clocks and I can guarantee you that it didn't clock like it did on a true standard. Maybe the score was short? |
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| We used to have a race up here on a standard pattern. Dont know of any anymore. |
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Location: College Station, TX | They set with a 45' score line rather than 60', so the pattern is 30' shorter than an actual standard per their Facebook page. |
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| Anniemae - 2015-11-12 11:27 AM abrad12 - 2015-11-11 8:52 PM Just curious. Where are you located and what is the typical winning time on a STANDARD pattern in your area? I'm talking local barrel races and true standard patterns. I'm in Central, TX. Last week someone broke the arena record in Caldwell with a 16.4. Tonight a 16.5 won it. WPRA measured pattern. Thought its pretty intense for a local, 40 entries race. Was this a WPRA race? Who won as that would be a new or close to a new world record
I can't seem to post the screenshot. This is their post from their facebook page:
"Man! What an AMAZING RACE tonight!! Congratulations to Mitzi Mayes for setting the new arena record on the standard pattern (WPRA Meas. ) at our race with 45' from timer to barrels with a 16.415!"
It was not a WPRA race. Ride like a girl productions. There was maybe 50 entries. |
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Location: Moving soon..... | I would think that an office or Director of WPRA would have to verify that it was indeed a "standard pattern." I was there that nite and it did not look like it was big enough for a standard, but that's my opinion. |
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Location: Texas | abrad12 - 2015-11-12 12:45 PM
Anniemae - 2015-11-12 11:27 AM abrad12 - 2015-11-11 8:52 PM Just curious. Where are you located and what is the typical winning time on a STANDARD pattern in your area? I'm talking local barrel races and true standard patterns. I'm in Central, TX. Last week someone broke the arena record in Caldwell with a 16.4. Tonight a 16.5 won it. WPRA measured pattern. Thought its pretty intense for a local, 40 entries race. Was this a WPRA race? Who won as that would be a new or close to a new world record
I can't seem to post the screenshot. This is their post from their facebook page: "Man! What an AMAZING RACE tonight!! Congratulations to Mitzi Mayes for setting the new arena record on the standard pattern (WPRA Meas. ) at our race with 45' from timer to barrels with a 16.415!" It was not a WPRA race. Ride like a girl productions. There was maybe 50 entries.
They would need a 60' score line (from timer to barrels) for it to be a standard pattern... This is NOT a standard pattern.
Pattern A: Current WPRA standard pattern - 90' between first and second barrel, 105' between barrels 1 & 3 and 2 & 3, 60' from timer line to barrel 1 & 2. When using a closed gate or side entry gate a minimum of 75' between timer line and fence, chutes, or exit gate is recommended.
You can find pattern sizes posted on FB... A New Standard in Barrel Racing
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Location: Texas | grinandbareit - 2015-11-12 12:51 PM
abrad12 - 2015-11-12 12:45 PM
Anniemae - 2015-11-12 11:27 AM abrad12 - 2015-11-11 8:52 PM Just curious. Where are you located and what is the typical winning time on a STANDARD pattern in your area? I'm talking local barrel races and true standard patterns. I'm in Central, TX. Last week someone broke the arena record in Caldwell with a 16.4. Tonight a 16.5 won it. WPRA measured pattern. Thought its pretty intense for a local, 40 entries race. Was this a WPRA race? Who won as that would be a new or close to a new world record
I can't seem to post the screenshot. This is their post from their facebook page: "Man! What an AMAZING RACE tonight!! Congratulations to Mitzi Mayes for setting the new arena record on the standard pattern (WPRA Meas. ) at our race with 45' from timer to barrels with a 16.415!" It was not a WPRA race. Ride like a girl productions. There was maybe 50 entries.
They would need a 60' score line (from timer to barrels ) for it to be a standard pattern... This is NOT a standard pattern.
Pattern A: Current WPRA standard pattern - 90' between first and second barrel, 105' between barrels 1 & 3 and 2 & 3, 60' from timer line to barrel 1 & 2. When using a closed gate or side entry gate a minimum of 75' between timer line and fence, chutes, or exit gate is recommended.
You can find pattern sizes posted on FB... A New Standard in Barrel Racing
Yep, what I thought. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Talkeetnababe - 2015-11-12 7:11 AM
Im pretty positive their measurements are off. They don't set the stake at the center of the barrel, and I think the timer distance is off slightly.
This ^^^^
A lot of the time in the south the barrels are set on the inside of the markers. This is different than the rules for the WPRA "standard pattern". |
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Location: Texas | OregonBR - 2015-11-12 1:05 PM
Talkeetnababe - 2015-11-12 7:11 AM
Im pretty positive their measurements are off. They don't set the stake at the center of the barrel, and I think the timer distance is off slightly.
This ^^^^
A lot of the time in the south the barrels are set on the inside of the markers. This is different than the rules for the WPRA "standard pattern".
I will venture to say over 90% of the time we don't stake on the center. We set ours up "fence, stake, barrel" just about everywhere we go unless the arena has lasers. Only time I see it in the middle is when i go to rodeos. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | In the NW, I don't know of any associations (even the games associations) that don't set the barrels on the markers. The course is measured the markers are set on the correct measurement, then the barrels are set centered over the markers. But I did notice that is not the norm for other areas.
If you're running at a WPRA approved event, they must set the pattern according to the WPRA rules which require the barrels to be centered on the markers.
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Location: North Dakota | casualdust07 - 2015-11-12 1:40 PM OregonBR - 2015-11-12 1:05 PM Talkeetnababe - 2015-11-12 7:11 AM Im pretty positive their measurements are off. They don't set the stake at the center of the barrel, and I think the timer distance is off slightly. This ^^^^ A lot of the time in the south the barrels are set on the inside of the markers. This is different than the rules for the WPRA "standard pattern". I will venture to say over 90% of the time we don't stake on the center. We set ours up "fence, stake, barrel" just about everywhere we go unless the arena has lasers. Only time I see it in the middle is when i go to rodeos.
Around here at our jackpots and amateur rodeos, I only ever see the barrel put on the inside of the stake. Haven't actually RAN at a pro-rodeo yet and I honestly haven't paid close enough attention times before so I'm not sure if they do the same, or put the barrel on the center of the stake. Honestly, I don't know how reliable it is to put the barrel on the center of the stake. How can you see the stake and KNOW you put it right in the center? Of course, they should also have a mark on the SIDE of the barrel so you know when you put the stake on the outside of the barrel that it's in the same spot each time and not slightly off. (One can get really nitpicky!)
There's only one big barrel race that uses a laser from the ceiling to set the barrel, that is somewhat in my area. Which is nice, because there really isn't a way you can screw that up! The laser mark has to go in the center. Easy.
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Location: Texas | r_beau - 2015-11-12 4:09 PM
casualdust07 - 2015-11-12 1:40 PM OregonBR - 2015-11-12 1:05 PM Talkeetnababe - 2015-11-12 7:11 AM Im pretty positive their measurements are off. They don't set the stake at the center of the barrel, and I think the timer distance is off slightly. This ^^^^ A lot of the time in the south the barrels are set on the inside of the markers. This is different than the rules for the WPRA "standard pattern". I will venture to say over 90% of the time we don't stake on the center. We set ours up "fence, stake, barrel" just about everywhere we go unless the arena has lasers. Only time I see it in the middle is when i go to rodeos.
There's only one big barrel race that uses a laser from the ceiling to set the barrel, that is somewhat in my area. Which is nice, because there really isn't a way you can screw that up! The laser mark has to go in the center. Easy.
I didnt know the pro rodeos did it in the center either until my friend's mom told me. and yeah, I asked the same question. At the big barrel races that use lasers its no big deal but idk how you would know a rope stake was in the center or not. But I'm sure those who are used to staking it that way know how to do it right |
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Location: MD | OregonBR - 2015-11-12 3:58 PM
In the NW, I don't know of any associations (even the games associations) that don't set the barrels on the markers. The course is measured the markers are set on the correct measurement, then the barrels are set centered over the markers. But I did notice that is not the norm for other areas.
If you're running at a WPRA approved event, they must set the pattern according to the WPRA rules which require the barrels to be centered on the markers.
This is exactly why more and more of the pens in NJ are putting lasers in. Most of the MD/DE shows are NBHA only and still use stakes |
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Location: South Central Florida | We don't have any shows here that are set on the standard pattern sizes. Or at least advertised as that. Even the PRCA's in the Southeast. . . can be won with anything from mid to high 14 second runs to mid 17 second runs. Same people, same horses. The patterns are set by the shape and size of the arena's, not the "standard" I guess. Southeast Circut Finals first go round was won last night with a 14.89.
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Location: South Central Florida | Also, I love lasers, but half our pens are outdoor pens, no way to put up lasers.
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