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Location: SE Louisiana | Wow... I thought we were the Great Satan... Why pick on France? Prayers to everybody there...
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | komet. - 2015-11-13 9:08 PM Wow... I thought we were the Great Satan... Why pick on France? Prayers to everybody there... Thanx Dave, for the alert.
People like this go after people who can't protect themselves.
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| All of Europe asked for it and were passive and socialists along with the new Pope Frances helped plan and encourage every one to help the poor poor refugees ... now you know why the pope had several private meetings with Obama and never mentioned religion one time while here in the USA ... instead he berated the USA constantly using Obama talking points ..... so take care of our own country for a change and boycott buying from the muslim convenience stores and B grade motels their mosques own which are the perfect terrorist network you have ever seen all across the nation .... grrrr
YOU BETTER BE RAISING HE77 WITH YOUR CONGRESS MEMBERS TO STOP THE UNLOADING OF OBAMA'S 250,000 ISIS JIHADIST THAT ARE UNLOADING RIGHT NOW IN NEW ORLEANS AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCHES ARE ACTING AS THEIR SANCTUARY AND TO PLANT THEM AT OTHER CATHOLIC CHURCHES ACROSS THE USA ...
OUR CHRISTIAN CHURCHES HAD BETTER GET THEIR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND AND STOP BELIEVING THE NONSENSE OF SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE WHICH DOES NOT EXIST IN OUR CONSTITUTION ... IT SEZ THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT START A RELIGION AND FORCE IT UP ON THE POPULATION .... LIKE THE OLD CHURCH OF ENGLAND DID ... THIS IS WHO THE FIRST SETTLERS IN AMERICA WERE FLEEING FROM!!
OUR WHITE CHURCHES BETTER COPY THE BLACK CHURCHES AND INSIST THE VOTING PLACES ARE OPEN ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND EVERYONE GO REGISTER AND VOTE RIDING IN CHURCH BUSES ....
SOMETIMES I THINK WHITE PEOPLE HATE EACH OHER BECAUSE WE CAN'T AGREE ON A DANG THING AND MAKE IT AN ORGANIZED ISSUE TO GET THINGS CHANGED .........
AND ALSO ... THINK ABOUT IT ... WITHOUT THE 90% OF STUPID WHITE VOTERS OBAMA WOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT BUT WE THINK THE MINORITIES GAVE HIM THE WINNING NUMBERS TO BE OUR MUSLIM IMPOSTER IN THE WHITE HOUSE ... SOMEONE IS USING COMMON CORE MATH ON THIS ISSUE ..
TRUMP AND CRUZ NEEDS AMERICAS HELP TO BECOME A TEAM TO UNDO OBAMA'S NASTY DEEDS AND CLOSE OUR BORDERS AND LOOK BEHIND THE MEXICAN ILLEGALS AND SEE THE 20 MILLION ILLEGAL MUSLIMS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE USA AND WILL BECOME AUTOMATIC CITIZENS WITH OBAMAS PLAN ... ... JUST SCRAP ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES ...... AND INSIST ON PAPER BALLOTS AND HAND COUNTING OF VOTES OR HILLARY IS GOING TO WIN LIKE OBAMA DID ...
nuff said ...
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Location: Kansas | What BarrelHorse USA said........
Did you know that one- half the population of Dearborn, Michigan is Muslim. It appears many of the buildings are Islamic architecture. Stunning.
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This is why you see so many Dutch dairies (not saying they are terrorist based), and foreign owned gas stations, convenience stores and motels, not to mention the huge influx into the trucking industry. What are we doing!!!???!!!
I have long thought that the politicians have been putting a Mexican face on illegal immigration when the real threat is from the mideastern flood.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | There is a Catholic Charities in San Antonio that are taking a bunch of Syrian Refugees in. Seems like they would want to take in Christian Refugees instead of Muslim's that hate Christians.
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Location: SE Louisiana | I just thought of something. We (the USA) have qualms about being politically incorrect and hurting somebody's feelings.... Uummm.... France doesn't have any of those... |
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Location: wolverton,mn | Actually this " overtaking" of France,Paris included,by extremists has been going on a while. A dirty little secret that was well known there but not much talked about. Why? Fear.
The number of Muslim extremists has risen dramatically in the last 10 years,often targeting Jews. If you are a Jew ,you dare not wear your star of David. Jews are amazed that it's possible to wear this in the U.S without getting slaughtered. This is not a first time incident in Paris.
Check out radical extremists in France and see how much led up to this,nothing was done,was it? The French may not mince words to tourists but if you think they " took on" the enemy....not so.
Sadly,we are all targets,it just takes a little longer to get to some of us.
Is anyone even aware of the bombing in Beirut a few days ago? Muslims were targeted by radical Muslim extremists. It's much more broad than Al Qaida ....and much more determined and evil
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I'm starting to believe muslims are the KKK hiding behind the mask of religion.... and need to be treated the same as we would treat any hate group.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | hotbear03 - 2015-11-14 5:30 PM
Actually this " overtaking" of France,Paris included,by extremists has been going on a while. A dirty little secret that was well known there but not much talked about. Why? Fear.
The number of Muslim extremists has risen dramatically in the last 10 years,often targeting Jews. If you are a Jew ,you dare not wear your star of David. Jews are amazed that it's possible to wear this in the U.S without getting slaughtered. This is not a first time incident in Paris.
Check out radical extremists in France and see how much led up to this,nothing was done,was it? The French may not mince words to tourists but if you think they " took on" the enemy....not so.
Sadly,we are all targets,it just takes a little longer to get to some of us.
Is anyone even aware of the bombing in Beirut a few days ago? Muslims were targeted by radical Muslim extremists. It's much more broad than Al Qaida ....and much more determined and evil
Pray for America ,but don't leave out the other innocents
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-11-14 5:54 PM
komet. - 2015-11-14 4:11 PM
I'm starting to believe muslims are the KKK hiding behind the mask of religion.... and need to be treated the same as we would treat any hate group.
All Muslims?
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Bear - 2015-11-14 5:54 PM
komet. - 2015-11-14 4:11 PM
I'm starting to believe muslims are the KKK hiding behind the mask of religion.... and need to be treated the same as we would treat any hate group.
All Muslims?
I know how stupid it sounds.... I can't believe I'm even thinking such a thing...
All KKK members? |
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komet. - 2015-11-14 6:23 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 5:54 PM
komet. - 2015-11-14 4:11 PM
I'm starting to believe muslims are the KKK hiding behind the mask of religion.... and need to be treated the same as we would treat any hate group.
All Muslims?
I know how stupid it sounds.... I can't believe I'm even thinking such a thing...
All KKK members?
I'm pretty sure our government listed them as a hate group. They can't be arrested for hating but I'll bet any known members can't fart without the FBI knowing what they had to eat a while ago. |
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muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism? |
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Location: PNW | Bear - 2015-11-14 4:49 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 6:42 PM
muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism?
If they are Muslim and truly believe in the Quran - YES. It isn't a matter of whether or not they want us infidels dead; it is a question of whether or not they are willing to do it themselves or just let "the terrorists" do it. |
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Bear - 2015-11-14 4:49 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 6:42 PM
muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism?
If they are Muslim and truly believe in the Quran - YES. It isn't a matter of whether or not they want us infidels dead; it is a question of whether or not they are willing to do it themselves or just let "the terrorists" do it.
OK, if that's correct, what should we do to the Muslim citizens in the US?
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svincent - 2015-11-14 6:54 PM
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Itsme - 2015-11-14 6:42 PM
muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism?
If they are Muslim and truly believe in the Quran - YES. It isn't a matter of whether or not they want us infidels dead; it is a question of whether or not they are willing to do it themselves or just let "the terrorists" do it.
OK, if that's correct, what should we do to the Muslim citizens in the US?
Watch them like a hawk, im talking about the citizens as well as the govt. Then deport any here illegally or on a visa and DO NOT import the "Syrian refugees". |
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- One student representative said holding a moment of recognition over a tragedy committed by non-white perpetrators could increase racist attitudes on campus.
 On Tuesday, November 10, the Minnesota Student Association (MSA )–the undergraduate student government at the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities (UMN )– rejected a resolution for a moment of recognition on future anniversaries of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Theo Menon, the student group representative to MSA for the College Republicans (CRs ) at UMN, introduced the resolution; MSA’s forum voted against it 36-23 (with three abstentions ). The proposed resolution pointed to the university’s lack of any sort of commemoration regarding the attacks on 9/11. It then called for a campus-wide moment of recognition on every September 11 from now on. “The passing of this resolution might make a space that is unsafe for students on campus even more unsafe.” Tweet This “I wrote this resolution because I think we need to recognize the victims of this world-changing event,” said Menon, “The innocent men, women, and servicemen who died on that day deserve to be honored.” Nathan Amundson serves as President of UMN’s Young Americans for Liberty chapter and student group representative for Write Things, a creative writing group. Amundson said debate on the resolution centered around whether enacting the moment of recognition might instill a more islamophobic sentiment on campus. “This resolution was non-controversial and was supported by the MSA’s President and Vice-President,” said Amundson, “However, several members, in exchanges with CRs rep Theo Menon, were militant in their op position to it due to a perceived bias toward Muslims.” Other proponents of the resolution argued in forum that its passage could bring up controversial topics, and that a healthy dialogue and campus tension reduction would ensue from the moment of recognition. At-large MSA representative and Director of Diversity and Inclusion David Algadi voiced severe criticism of the resolution. He also made sure to emphasize 9/11’s status as a national tragedy in his response. “The passing of this resolution might make a space that is unsafe for students on campus even more unsafe,” said Algadi, “Islamophobia and racism fueled through that are alive and well.” Algadi added that holding a moment of recognition over a tragedy committed by non-white perpetrators could increase racist attitudes on campus, asking, “When will we start having moments of silence for all of the times white folks have done something terrible?” Contrary to Algadi, Cameron Holl, a Student Senator for the College of Liberal Arts, condemned the resolution’s failure as, “simply un-American.” “There was no reason for any student not to vote on this resolution and much of the dissenting discussion was wildly speculative and unrelated to the resolution itself,” said Holl, “Additionally, the same people who voted to close discussion early didn’t offer any amendments or changes to the resolution to find compromise and do their due part as a member of forum, which I think shows a lack of effort and respect for other’s opinions and beliefs.” University President Eric Kaler, MSA President Joelle Stangler, and MSA Vice President Abeer Syedah all supported the 9/11 moment of recognition resolution. All of this high level support seemingly meant very little, however, given the wide margin of the resolution’s defeat. Holl and Menon vowed to introduce a revised version of the resolution in an upcoming meeting of forum. Madison Dibble contributed to this report.Follow The Minnesota Republic on Twitter: @MinnRepublicThis article was originally published in The Minnesota Republic, a conservative student newspaper affiliated with the Leadership Institute's Campus Leadership Program. Its articles are republished here with permission. |
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Bear - 2015-11-14 7:08 PM
svincent - 2015-11-14 6:54 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 4:49 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 6:42 PM
muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism?
If they are Muslim and truly believe in the Quran - YES. It isn't a matter of whether or not they want us infidels dead; it is a question of whether or not they are willing to do it themselves or just let "the terrorists" do it.
OK, if that's correct, what should we do to the Muslim citizens in the US?
Watch them like a hawk, im talking about the citizens as well as the govt. Then deport any here illegally or on a visa and DO NOT import the "Syrian refugees".
I believe the vast majority of Muslims do not wish to kill innocent people. Regardless of what is taken out of context from the Quran, the vast majority of Muslims love and admire Christians, in general, as much as Christians generally love one another. You would probably be surprised to learn of the similarities and commonalities between Muslims and Christians. I'm Christian and I was raised Christian by my Christian grandmother. My grandfather was a Muslim, although not particularly devout. I have many relatives and friends who are Muslim. I have the unique life experience of growing up amidst both Muslims and Christians. Moderate Muslims do not take everything from the Quran literally any more than Christians strictly adhere to Old Testament law. We have had Muslims living peacefully among us for centuries, and they have made a great number of contributions to our society, our country, and indeed, humanity. Keep in mind who has far and away suffered most from these evil bastards......Muslims. Many more Muslims have been butchered by these insane evil bastards. They need to be exterminated. Making broad, sweeping generalizations about Muslims/Arabs is precisely what they want. Nothing will be more powerful as a recruitment tool than this wave of bigotry we are seeing in the aftermath of this massacre in Paris. I realize what I am saying is not going to be well received, and most likely a number of people will draw negative inferences about me as a result, but at least I'm being honest. Not all Muslims are the same any more than all Christians share the same values as another fringe Christian group, the KKK.
We, as a nation have been here before, and we regret it. Let's not make the same mistake. It's understandable as an initial reaction, but if we go down that road again, we will have yet another shameful chapter to add to our history.....one we will most certainly regret. |
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- The student government rejected a resolution for a moment of recognition on future anniversaries of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the grounds it would create an 'unsafe' space on campus.
- One student representative said holding a moment of recognition over a tragedy committed by non-white perpetrators could increase racist attitudes on campus.
On Tuesday, November 10, the Minnesota Student Association (MSA )–the undergraduate student government at the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities (UMN )– rejected a resolution for a moment of recognition on future anniversaries of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
Theo Menon, the student group representative to MSA for the College Republicans (CRs ) at UMN, introduced the resolution; MSA’s forum voted against it 36-23 (with three abstentions ). The proposed resolution pointed to the university’s lack of any sort of commemoration regarding the attacks on 9/11. It then called for a campus-wide moment of recognition on every September 11 from now on.
“The passing of this resolution might make a space that is unsafe for students on campus even more unsafe.” Tweet This
“I wrote this resolution because I think we need to recognize the victims of this world-changing event,” said Menon, “The innocent men, women, and servicemen who died on that day deserve to be honored.”
Nathan Amundson serves as President of UMN’s Young Americans for Liberty chapter and student group representative for Write Things, a creative writing group. Amundson said debate on the resolution centered around whether enacting the moment of recognition might instill a more islamophobic sentiment on campus.
“This resolution was non-controversial and was supported by the MSA’s President and Vice-President,” said Amundson, “However, several members, in exchanges with CRs rep Theo Menon, were militant in their op position to it due to a perceived bias toward Muslims.”
Other proponents of the resolution argued in forum that its passage could bring up controversial topics, and that a healthy dialogue and campus tension reduction would ensue from the moment of recognition.
At-large MSA representative and Director of Diversity and Inclusion David Algadi voiced severe criticism of the resolution. He also made sure to emphasize 9/11’s status as a national tragedy in his response.
“The passing of this resolution might make a space that is unsafe for students on campus even more unsafe,” said Algadi, “Islamophobia and racism fueled through that are alive and well.”
Algadi added that holding a moment of recognition over a tragedy committed by non-white perpetrators could increase racist attitudes on campus, asking, “When will we start having moments of silence for all of the times white folks have done something terrible?”
Contrary to Algadi, Cameron Holl, a Student Senator for the College of Liberal Arts, condemned the resolution’s failure as, “simply un-American.”
“There was no reason for any student not to vote on this resolution and much of the dissenting discussion was wildly speculative and unrelated to the resolution itself,” said Holl, “Additionally, the same people who voted to close discussion early didn’t offer any amendments or changes to the resolution to find compromise and do their due part as a member of forum, which I think shows a lack of effort and respect for other’s opinions and beliefs.”
University President Eric Kaler, MSA President Joelle Stangler, and MSA Vice President Abeer Syedah all supported the 9/11 moment of recognition resolution. All of this high level support seemingly meant very little, however, given the wide margin of the resolution’s defeat.
Holl and Menon vowed to introduce a revised version of the resolution in an upcoming meeting of forum.
Madison Dibble contributed to this report.
Follow The Minnesota Republic on Twitter: @MinnRepublic
This article was originally published in The Minnesota Republic, a conservative student newspaper affiliated with the Leadership Institute's Campus Leadership Program. Its articles are republished here with permission.
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Location: PNW | Bear - 2015-11-14 5:41 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 7:12 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 7:08 PM
svincent - 2015-11-14 6:54 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 4:49 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 6:42 PM
muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism?
If they are Muslim and truly believe in the Quran - YES. It isn't a matter of whether or not they want us infidels dead; it is a question of whether or not they are willing to do it themselves or just let "the terrorists" do it.
OK, if that's correct, what should we do to the Muslim citizens in the US?
Watch them like a hawk, im talking about the citizens as well as the govt. Then deport any here illegally or on a visa and DO NOT import the "Syrian refugees".
I believe the vast majority of Muslims do not wish to kill innocent people. Regardless of what is taken out of context from the Quran, the vast majority of Muslims love and admire Christians, in general, as much as Christians generally love one another. You would probably be surprised to learn of the similarities and commonalities between Muslims and Christians. I'm Christian and I was raised Christian by my Christian grandmother. My grandfather was a Muslim, although not particularly devout. I have many relatives and friends who are Muslim. I have the unique life experience of growing up amidst both Muslims and Christians. Moderate Muslims do not take everything from the Quran literally any more than Christians strictly adhere to Old Testament law. We have had Muslims living peacefully among us for centuries, and they have made a great number of contributions to our society, our country, and indeed, humanity. Keep in mind who has far and away suffered most from these evil bastards......Muslims. Many more Muslims have been butchered by these insane evil bastards. They need to be exterminated. Making broad, sweeping generalizations about Muslims/Arabs is precisely what they want. Nothing will be more powerful as a recruitment tool than this wave of bigotry we are seeing in the aftermath of this massacre in Paris. I realize what I am saying is not going to be well received, and most likely a number of people will draw negative inferences about me as a result, but at least I'm being honest. Not all Muslims are the same any more than all Christians share the same values as another fringe Christian group, the KKK.
We, as a nation have been here before, and we regret it. Let's not make the same mistake. It's understandable as an initial reaction, but if we go down that road again, we will have yet another shameful chapter to add to our history.....one we will most certainly regret.
I totally agree with you Scott. However, I can't tell an extremist from a moderate just by sight, so in the interest of keeping myself and my family safe - I error on the side of caution and assume extremist until proven otherwise. And they scare me. I'm not afraid to admit it, extremist Muslims scare me. The two most important things in my world are my two boys and if profiling and assumptions keep them even an immeasurably small amount safer - I'll do it. I'm not going to let my fear stop me from living my life, but I sure will be living it a lot more vigilantly. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I agree, Samantha. I'm glad you understand what I was trying to say, but I'm not surprised....you get it. Basically, it's about sweeping generalizations.
I'm by no means a religious scholar, but if I sat down and wrote out a list of similarities and between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, I think a lot of people would be quite surprised. For instance, we hear the term, "Judaeo-Christian" used, however the Jews only recognize Christ as one of many people who claimed to be "the Messiah". They believe the "Messiah" has yet to come. Muslims believe that Jesus was a very important prophet who was devinely inspired. They do not believe he died on the cross, but they do believe that he does sit at the right hand of God and will one day judge us.
I don't mean to get into some deep religious sidetrack.....just illustrating a point. I've had plenty of discussions and debates with Muslim relatives! I understand them better than most, and they aren't the evil people they're made out to be. The obvious problem we face is ferreting out the twisted evildoers among them.
A good president could seize the opportunity and lead the world to rise up and destroy ISIS and the rest of the bad guys. Unfortunately, past events have led the Arabs to mistrust most people from the west. I can cite a number of examples. The average rank-and-file Arab doesn't trust anyone, and it's not without good reason. George HW Bush came very close to winning them over during the Gulf War, but what happened in Southern Iraq in its aftermath shattered that trust. His defeat in '92 eliminated any chance of reclaiming that trust....but I think we were on the right track for a while. |
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Location: PNW | Here is a post from Fiorina. I think she articulated this beautifully.
"Like all of you, I am angry.
I am heartsick and heartbroken at the carnage in Paris.
I am filled with revulsion for the terrorists who carried out these brutal attacks and the murderous Islamist extremism that fuels their violent hatred.
I am profoundly disappointed that our own President cannot bring himself to speak with the same clarity of purpose as do President Hollande and Prime Minister Cameron.
Mostly though, I am angry.
Angry that just yesterday morning, hours before the Paris attacks began and against all the evidence, President Obama declared ISIS “contained” and took a victory lap. They are not a JV team, Mr. President. They are not contained. They are at our shores and their measure of victory is the body count.
I am angry that Hillary Clinton dares to ask “what difference does it make” how four Americans died in Benghazi. And then she tells us that we must empathize with our enemies. Mrs. Clinton, when the United States does not answer a purposeful terrorist attack on our embassy with a purposeful and powerful response, but instead blames a video, you invite more terrorism and bloodshed.
I am angry that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton declared victory in Iraq in 2011, abandoned all our hard-won gains for political expediency and contrary to the advice of our generals, thus leaving vast swaths of territory and too much weaponry to be gobbled up by ISIS.
I am angry that President Obama unilaterally decides that we’ll accept refugees while his administration admits we cannot determine their ties to terrorism.
Mostly I am outraged because the murder, mayhem, danger and tragedy we see unfolding in Paris, throughout the Middle East and too often in our own homeland, are the direct consequence of this administration’s policies. You cannot lead from behind.
The world is a tragic and dangerous place when we do not lead. We cannot be the world’s policeman, but we must be the world’s leader. And so let us consider why only America can lead the world.
Our nation was founded on a unique premise: that each individual life has value, that we judge an individual by the content of their character, as Martin Luther King said, not by the group to which they belong. Our nation was founded on the idea that each of us has the right to fulfill our potential – life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness – and our Founders said this right comes from God and should not be taken away by government.
Our Constitution was written as much to curb the abuse of power by government as it was to protect individual rights.
We are not a perfect nation and we have worked hard to become a more perfect union. But we are an exceptional nation. And it is nevertheless true that more things have been more possible for more people regardless of their circumstances here, than anywhere else on earth. And it is also true that we are the only nation in the history of the world that possesses military superiority and yet uses that power not to conquer territory or to subjugate others, but to liberate, uplift and comfort people around the world.
This, Mr. President, is why we are an exceptional nation. And because we are exceptional, we must lead." |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | TO Cookie Monster - 2015-11-14 9:53 PM
decades of policies in France have led to a situation that they are unlikely to get a hold of until there are worse tragedies than this.......
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3318439/KATIE-HOPKINS-Britain-just-going-sit-wait-day-reckoning-going-remember-value-start-fighting-save-it.html
"I am pointing the finger of blame squarely at the BBC who told us, 'Few Muslims have sympathy with the Charlie Hebdo massacres.' Actually the figure was 27%. More than a quarter sympathised with the motives behind the massacre.
I'd like to ask these fools, do you sympathise with the killers now that close to 200 are dead or dying?
When we live in a country where a seriously significant number of British Muslims think a massacre was okay, how far away are we from our own day of reckoning? How far away are we from our own Friday 13th, a horror of our own making?"
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TO Cookie Monster - 2015-11-14 9:53 PM
decades of policies in France have led to a situation that they are unlikely to get a hold of until there are worse tragedies than this.......
Sad but true.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | ndcowgirl - 2015-11-14 11:16 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 10:23 PM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-11-14 9:53 PM
decades of policies in France have led to a situation that they are unlikely to get a hold of until there are worse tragedies than this.......
Sad but true.
How so?
For starters, look at the history of their immigration policy and open borders.
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Location: north dakota | Bear - 2015-11-14 11:21 PM
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TO Cookie Monster - 2015-11-14 9:53 PM
decades of policies in France have led to a situation that they are unlikely to get a hold of until there are worse tragedies than this.......
Sad but true.
How so?
For starters, look at the history of their immigration policy and open borders.
Chew on that for a while.
My step brother moved there. He also married a citizen and even after having a kid he had a tough time staying there. He makes less than a person born there having the same job and had to complete more education to do his job and testing high he still makes less |
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Bear - 2015-11-14 11:21 PM
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TO Cookie Monster - 2015-11-14 9:53 PM
decades of policies in France have led to a situation that they are unlikely to get a hold of until there are worse tragedies than this.......
Sad but true.
How so?
For starters, look at the history of their immigration policy and open borders.
Chew on that for a while.
My step brother moved there. He also married a citizen and even after having a kid he had a tough time staying there. He makes less than a person born there having the same job and had to complete more education to do his job and testing high he still makes less
France has been one of the MOST sympathetic towards the Muslims and has allowed anybody and everybody into their country. They might not necessarily offer equal opportunities (such as your brother's situation), but they don't stop people from coming in - until now. France has always had weak foreign policies, and now they are experiencing some ramifications of that. If the United States doesn't stop trying to coddle the Middle East like some misunderstood petulant child, we are in for it also. |
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TO Cookie Monster - 2015-11-14 9:53 PM
decades of policies in France have led to a situation that they are unlikely to get a hold of until there are worse tragedies than this.......
Sad but true.
How so?
For starters, look at the history of their immigration policy and open borders.
Chew on that for a while.
My step brother moved there. He also married a citizen and even after having a kid he had a tough time staying there. He makes less than a person born there having the same job and had to complete more education to do his job and testing high he still makes less
France has been one of the MOST sympathetic towards the Muslims and has allowed anybody and everybody into their country. They might not necessarily offer equal opportunities (such as your brother's situation ), but they don't stop people from coming in - until now. France has always had weak foreign policies, and now they are experiencing some ramifications of that. If the United States doesn't stop trying to coddle the Middle East like some misunderstood petulant child, we are in for it also.
Its too late, even the FBI director says its 100% going to happen. The scumbags are already here. |
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svincent - 2015-11-14 11:48 PM
ndcowgirl - 2015-11-14 9:27 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 11:21 PM
ndcowgirl - 2015-11-14 11:16 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 10:23 PM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-11-14 9:53 PM
decades of policies in France have led to a situation that they are unlikely to get a hold of until there are worse tragedies than this.......
Sad but true.
How so?
For starters, look at the history of their immigration policy and open borders.
Chew on that for a while.
My step brother moved there. He also married a citizen and even after having a kid he had a tough time staying there. He makes less than a person born there having the same job and had to complete more education to do his job and testing high he still makes less
France has been one of the MOST sympathetic towards the Muslims and has allowed anybody and everybody into their country. They might not necessarily offer equal opportunities (such as your brother's situation ), but they don't stop people from coming in - until now. France has always had weak foreign policies, and now they are experiencing some ramifications of that. If the United States doesn't stop trying to coddle the Middle East like some misunderstood petulant child, we are in for it also.
Its too late, even the FBI director says its 100% going to happen. The scumbags are already here.
Oh I completely know that. I meant that if we don't start changing our ways it is going to get worse. |
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| Any one that worships the Quran or Shariah law are commanded to lie when they live amongst infidels in order to complete their duties and commands from their mosque Imam to commit jihad when called up or be murdered by their own mosque.
Do not forget ... The Quran instructs other muslims to kill any muslims that even think of leaving Islam ..
Also all the lovely muslim doctors and other muslims making large salaries are used as the mosques huge automatic large tithe givers of 10% ... this is their jihad from their Imam ...
It is very simple ... any person that is associated with Islam should be removed from the USA immediately due to their life long commitment of soul and body to the teachings of the Quran ideology of conquering the world and take no prisoners ...
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| SHAME ON THOSE FOR TRYING TO SOFTEN THE REALITY OF WHAT A MUSLIM MUST DO ON COMMAND FROM THEIR MOSQUE AND IMAM...
ORDER NUMBER 1... IS TO REMAIN PEACEFUL, LIE, LIVE QUIET HIDDEN LIVES UNTIL YOU GAIN IN NUMBERS TO TAKE OVER SMALL AREAS AT A TIME BY CREATING A MUSLIM NEIGHBORHOOD, CITY WITHIN A CITY WHILE EXTENDING SHARIAH LAW BY BENDING MINOR LAWS OF THE COUNTRY THEY HAVE INVADED ... AND INVADE GOVERNMENTS AND BE POLITICAL TO BE ELECTED TO ANY OFFICE YOU CAN IN THE MOVEMENT OF LONG TERM MUSLIM CONTROL ...
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A MUSLIM WAVE AN AMERICAN FLAG THAT WAS NOT ON FIRE OR WEARING ANYTHING THAT RESEMBLES OUR FLAG.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD MUSLIMS THREATEN THE TERRORIST WITH DEATH BECAUSE ISLAM IS A PEACEFUL CULT ??
lOOK AT THE WORLD 95+% OF ALL WARRING FACTIONS OR SLAUGHTERS ARE MUSLIMS DESTROYING ANYTHING THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH ... IF THERE WERE NO MUSLIMS ... LOOK HOW PEACEFUL THE WORLD WOULD BE ....
Any one that worships the Quran or Shariah law are commanded to lie when they live amongst infidels in order to complete their duties and commands from their mosque Imam to commit jihad when called up or be murdered by their own mosque.
Do not forget ... The Quran instructs other muslims to kill any muslims that even think of leaving Islam ..
Also all the lovely muslim doctors and other muslims making large salaries are used as the mosques huge automatic large tithe givers of 10% ... this is their jihad from their Imam ...
It is very simple ... any person that is associated with Islam should be removed from the USA immediately due to their life long commitment of soul and body to the teachings of the Quran ideology of conquering the world and take no prisoners ...
NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT ALLOWED ISLAMIC WARSHIPPERS TO LIVE AMONGST THE POPULATION HAS SURVIVED THEIR 1400 YEAR ONSLAUGHT DESTROYING AS THEY MIGRATE INTO COUNTRIES TO EXTEND THEIR HATE AND MURDERING WAYS ...
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| Yeah maybe it's time to start labeling people of a certain religion. Hmm, maybe make them wear arm bands. Then, move them all into certain sections of town. Then, F it, move them all into camps, have them do menial chores. But, I guess after a while that might not be economical, feeding them and what not. Soooo, what do you do with these people, hmmm, it's a chin scratcher. I mean why not, you know, create a way to kinda, uh, eliminate them? Oh wait....... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | arion - 2015-11-15 6:28 AM
Yeah maybe it's time to start labeling people of a certain religion. Hmm, maybe make them wear arm bands. Then, move them all into certain sections of town. Then, F it, move them all into camps, have them do menial chores. But, I guess after a while that might not be economical, feeding them and what not. Soooo, what do you do with these people, hmmm, it's a chin scratcher. I mean why not, you know, create a way to kinda, uh, eliminate them? Oh wait.......
Dayum, now that's a reasonable approach. I like that idea. Maybe we can resurrect those camps we had back in the early 40s. Let's start by putting up an electrified, barbed wire fence around Dearborn. Just contain areas where there's high concentrations. Round up the rest of the outliers and "relocate" them to those camps......for their own safety and security, of course.
BHUSA does have a point. There are no patriotic Muslims living in America. I know this because I've never seen one wave a flag or wear a flag, or wear a nifty flag on their lapel. Come to think of it, I haven't either. I'm of Lebanese ancestry.....plus I don't have a flag......and I'm one of those doctors too. I guess I need to be prepared for my relocation as well.
All sarcasm aside, we really do need to have a way of labeling these people, for our own safety and security. Perhaps a tattoo on the forehead would be more fashionable these days. |
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arion - 2015-11-15 6:28 AM
Yeah maybe it's time to start labeling people of a certain religion. Hmm, maybe make them wear arm bands. Then, move them all into certain sections of town. Then, F it, move them all into camps, have them do menial chores. But, I guess after a while that might not be economical, feeding them and what not. Soooo, what do you do with these people, hmmm, it's a chin scratcher. I mean why not, you know, create a way to kinda, uh, eliminate them? Oh wait.......
Dayum, now that's a reasonable approach. I like that idea. Maybe we can resurrect those camps we had back in the early 40s. Let's start by putting up an electrified, barbed wire fence around Dearborn. Just contain areas where there's high concentrations. Round up the rest of the outliers and "relocate" them to those camps......for their own safety and security, of course.
BHUSA does have a point. There are no patriotic Muslims living in America. I know this because I've never seen one wave a flag or wear a flag, or wear a nifty flag on their lapel. Come to think of it, I haven't either. I'm of Lebanese ancestry.....plus I don't have a flag......and I'm one of those doctors too. I guess I need to be prepared for my relocation as well.
All sarcasm aside, we really do need to have a way of labeling these people, for our own safety and security. Perhaps a tattoo on the forehead would be more fashionable these days.
time to brand you.....
the whole evolution of our society, here in america, will lead to the same result in france......limited immigration concerns, socialist policies, a younger generation that has been brought up without responsibility or concern for consequences of any sort......France lost their country years ago....most of the elite, just didn't realize it until it was too late..... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | BHUSA, disregard my question regarding what we should do with American Muslims. I missed the part of your C&P where you said all Muslims and everyone associated with them need to be "removed".
Who are you anyway? Are you a man, or a woman? What is your name?
You make brave, bold statements. Are you willing to affix your name to them, or are you too afraid to own your words? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Itsme - 2015-11-15 8:15 AM
LOL@ bear, you want to coddle these child molesting and women raping cowards. I dont care that your dad believed in a pedophile skydaddy, the majority of them are disgusting almost humans.
OK tough guy. I'll ask you the same question. Let's see if you have the courage to give an honest answer. What should be done about "the Muslims"? What should be done about the ones who are US citizens?
Also, what the hell are you talking about? My dad....pedophile sky daddy? You don't even make sense. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Stitch4k9 - 2015-11-15 8:41 AM
Look at the good Christians defending the USA!Congrats Doc, you got good people to step up.karen
LOL....I'd love to sit down and have a beer with a few of these brave, enlightened, "good Christians". |
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Location: Florida.. | This was a prayers thread but I guess I will say this.....Christians get scared to so just try to remember that .the world is Ugly right now and words are spewed and people are in a state of panic.. There is no leadership whatsoever so we are all just trying to keep our lives together and figure out solutions. none of us are perfect nor know the answer.. If we had a true leader in office we could trust and rely on for the better of America then wed have a little bit of sense of security but right now we dont and its dangerous.. and leave on this note.. prime minister of France speech yesterday.. and Obama is stating he doesnt know who did it just a mass murder.. he never once called it like it was..... terrorist..
"Yes, we are at war. We are faced with an act of war methodically organized by a jihadist terrorist army. And because we are at war, we take exceptional measures. We will do this and we will strike the enemy to destroy it: in France and in Europe, but also in Syria and Iraq. And this war, we will win."
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TO Cookie Monster - 2015-11-14 9:53 PM
decades of policies in France have led to a situation that they are unlikely to get a hold of until there are worse tragedies than this.......
Sad but true.
How so?
For starters, look at the history of their immigration policy and open borders.
Chew on that for a while.
My step brother moved there. He also married a citizen and even after having a kid he had a tough time staying there. He makes less than a person born there having the same job and had to complete more education to do his job and testing high he still makes less
Frankly the case you presented isn't so wrong. France is doing the right thing by paying your brother less. It is called taking care of your own. France isn't America where everyone is supposed to be equal |
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muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism?
If they are Muslim and truly believe in the Quran - YES. It isn't a matter of whether or not they want us infidels dead; it is a question of whether or not they are willing to do it themselves or just let "the terrorists" do it.
OK, if that's correct, what should we do to the Muslim citizens in the US?
Watch them like a hawk, im talking about the citizens as well as the govt. Then deport any here illegally or on a visa and DO NOT import the "Syrian refugees".
I believe the vast majority of Muslims do not wish to kill innocent people. Regardless of what is taken out of context from the Quran, the vast majority of Muslims love and admire Christians, in general, as much as Christians generally love one another. You would probably be surprised to learn of the similarities and commonalities between Muslims and Christians. I'm Christian and I was raised Christian by my Christian grandmother. My grandfather was a Muslim, although not particularly devout. I have many relatives and friends who are Muslim. I have the unique life experience of growing up amidst both Muslims and Christians. Moderate Muslims do not take everything from the Quran literally any more than Christians strictly adhere to Old Testament law. We have had Muslims living peacefully among us for centuries, and they have made a great number of contributions to our society, our country, and indeed, humanity. Keep in mind who has far and away suffered most from these evil bastards......Muslims. Many more Muslims have been butchered by these insane evil bastards. They need to be exterminated. Making broad, sweeping generalizations about Muslims/Arabs is precisely what they want. Nothing will be more powerful as a recruitment tool than this wave of bigotry we are seeing in the aftermath of this massacre in Paris. I realize what I am saying is not going to be well received, and most likely a number of people will draw negative inferences about me as a result, but at least I'm being honest. Not all Muslims are the same any more than all Christians share the same values as another fringe Christian group, the KKK.
We, as a nation have been here before, and we regret it. Let's not make the same mistake. It's understandable as an initial reaction, but if we go down that road again, we will have yet another shameful chapter to add to our history.....one we will most certainly regret.
While I agree that most Muslims do not agree with ISIS and their butchery. I must ask you where are the voices of the moderate Muslims. Silence is all I hear. Other than a few pundits I see no vast majority of moderate Muslims standing up to denounce this. Where are the Muslim religious leaders standing in mass against this....Again silence. While it is true that the KKK was an example of bastardize Christianity it was largely swipe into history by Christians and Christian leaders standing up and denouncing them. So again I ask you where are the Muslim voices in this.....Silence is all I see. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Sometimes you sacrifice some security to have certain freedoms. When we let our fear and hate rule us, in the same way it rules these terrorists, we sink to their level, sacrifice our identity as Americans, and then must be prepared to live in a military state. History has taught us over and over how pleasant that is. Yes, let's all be Syria part two only yelling the name of Jesus, who I'm ever so sure would approve of our killing tons of people. This is a thread about prayer. My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to those who have suffered in France. I don't care if anyone here thinks that country has 'brought it on themselves,' perhaps in the same way America brought 9/11 on ourselves. People are suffering and hearts are hurting from a mindless act of hate. Let us do please avoid demonstrating the same form of mindless hate here. Many prayers for these families and even for those souls lost in hate that caused this travesty. Anyone who is raised around such hate is to be pitied as well. It cannot be happy to know such negativity all your life and then prepare to lose it so violently. I'll pray for a few souls on here that they not lose themselves in the same hate. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | jbhoot - 2015-11-15 10:15 AM
Bear - 2015-11-14 7:41 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 7:12 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 7:08 PM
svincent - 2015-11-14 6:54 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 4:49 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 6:42 PM
muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism?
If they are Muslim and truly believe in the Quran - YES. It isn't a matter of whether or not they want us infidels dead; it is a question of whether or not they are willing to do it themselves or just let "the terrorists" do it.
OK, if that's correct, what should we do to the Muslim citizens in the US?
Watch them like a hawk, im talking about the citizens as well as the govt. Then deport any here illegally or on a visa and DO NOT import the "Syrian refugees".
I believe the vast majority of Muslims do not wish to kill innocent people. Regardless of what is taken out of context from the Quran, the vast majority of Muslims love and admire Christians, in general, as much as Christians generally love one another. You would probably be surprised to learn of the similarities and commonalities between Muslims and Christians. I'm Christian and I was raised Christian by my Christian grandmother. My grandfather was a Muslim, although not particularly devout. I have many relatives and friends who are Muslim. I have the unique life experience of growing up amidst both Muslims and Christians. Moderate Muslims do not take everything from the Quran literally any more than Christians strictly adhere to Old Testament law. We have had Muslims living peacefully among us for centuries, and they have made a great number of contributions to our society, our country, and indeed, humanity. Keep in mind who has far and away suffered most from these evil bastards......Muslims. Many more Muslims have been butchered by these insane evil bastards. They need to be exterminated. Making broad, sweeping generalizations about Muslims/Arabs is precisely what they want. Nothing will be more powerful as a recruitment tool than this wave of bigotry we are seeing in the aftermath of this massacre in Paris. I realize what I am saying is not going to be well received, and most likely a number of people will draw negative inferences about me as a result, but at least I'm being honest. Not all Muslims are the same any more than all Christians share the same values as another fringe Christian group, the KKK.
We, as a nation have been here before, and we regret it. Let's not make the same mistake. It's understandable as an initial reaction, but if we go down that road again, we will have yet another shameful chapter to add to our history.....one we will most certainly regret.
While I agree that most Muslims do not agree with ISIS and their butchery. I must ask you where are the voices of the moderate Muslims. Silence is all I hear. Other than a few pundits I see no vast majority of moderate Muslims standing up to denounce this. Where are the Muslim religious leaders standing in mass against this....Again silence. While it is true that the KKK was an example of bastardize Christianity it was largely swipe into history by Christians and Christian leaders standing up and denouncing them. So again I ask you where are the Muslim voices in this.....Silence is all I see.
They are not silent. They are being IGNORED. Right now you can sell more commercials on yours news media station by promoting hate, not understanding. Most moderate Christians are ignored in the same way. Voices of reason are the ones most quickly pushed to the side when fear and hate reign. It's a mob mentality. |
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Bear - 2015-11-14 7:41 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 7:12 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 7:08 PM
svincent - 2015-11-14 6:54 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 4:49 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 6:42 PM
muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism?
If they are Muslim and truly believe in the Quran - YES. It isn't a matter of whether or not they want us infidels dead; it is a question of whether or not they are willing to do it themselves or just let "the terrorists" do it.
OK, if that's correct, what should we do to the Muslim citizens in the US?
Watch them like a hawk, im talking about the citizens as well as the govt. Then deport any here illegally or on a visa and DO NOT import the "Syrian refugees".
I believe the vast majority of Muslims do not wish to kill innocent people. Regardless of what is taken out of context from the Quran, the vast majority of Muslims love and admire Christians, in general, as much as Christians generally love one another. You would probably be surprised to learn of the similarities and commonalities between Muslims and Christians. I'm Christian and I was raised Christian by my Christian grandmother. My grandfather was a Muslim, although not particularly devout. I have many relatives and friends who are Muslim. I have the unique life experience of growing up amidst both Muslims and Christians. Moderate Muslims do not take everything from the Quran literally any more than Christians strictly adhere to Old Testament law. We have had Muslims living peacefully among us for centuries, and they have made a great number of contributions to our society, our country, and indeed, humanity. Keep in mind who has far and away suffered most from these evil bastards......Muslims. Many more Muslims have been butchered by these insane evil bastards. They need to be exterminated. Making broad, sweeping generalizations about Muslims/Arabs is precisely what they want. Nothing will be more powerful as a recruitment tool than this wave of bigotry we are seeing in the aftermath of this massacre in Paris. I realize what I am saying is not going to be well received, and most likely a number of people will draw negative inferences about me as a result, but at least I'm being honest. Not all Muslims are the same any more than all Christians share the same values as another fringe Christian group, the KKK.
We, as a nation have been here before, and we regret it. Let's not make the same mistake. It's understandable as an initial reaction, but if we go down that road again, we will have yet another shameful chapter to add to our history.....one we will most certainly regret.
While I agree that most Muslims do not agree with ISIS and their butchery. I must ask you where are the voices of the moderate Muslims. Silence is all I hear. Other than a few pundits I see no vast majority of moderate Muslims standing up to denounce this. Where are the Muslim religious leaders standing in mass against this....Again silence. While it is true that the KKK was an example of bastardize Christianity it was largely swipe into history by Christians and Christian leaders standing up and denouncing them. So again I ask you where are the Muslim voices in this.....Silence is all I see.
It's out there, and they really are speaking out against ISIS. Keep in mind it's Muslims who far and away have been raped and massacred the most.
If you LOOK for the condemnation, it's out there......but if you want to continue to use the alleged "absence of condemnation" as an excuse to be a bigot, then you won't look. Just because it's not on Facebook or TV doesn't mean it isn't there. Also, many of these people are very bewildered and afraid.....for good reason. ISIS is not Islam. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Stitch4k9 - 2015-11-15 10:52 AM
Try listening to some International news. Muslims around the world are denouncing the violence. Evan here in CO they are standing with the French communities.karen
Yes BBC had a sad story about a bombing in Kenya by an extreme Muslim group Al Shaqab. 143 killed. |
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muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism?
If they are Muslim and truly believe in the Quran - YES. It isn't a matter of whether or not they want us infidels dead; it is a question of whether or not they are willing to do it themselves or just let "the terrorists" do it.
OK, if that's correct, what should we do to the Muslim citizens in the US?
Watch them like a hawk, im talking about the citizens as well as the govt. Then deport any here illegally or on a visa and DO NOT import the "Syrian refugees".
I believe the vast majority of Muslims do not wish to kill innocent people. Regardless of what is taken out of context from the Quran, the vast majority of Muslims love and admire Christians, in general, as much as Christians generally love one another. You would probably be surprised to learn of the similarities and commonalities between Muslims and Christians. I'm Christian and I was raised Christian by my Christian grandmother. My grandfather was a Muslim, although not particularly devout. I have many relatives and friends who are Muslim. I have the unique life experience of growing up amidst both Muslims and Christians. Moderate Muslims do not take everything from the Quran literally any more than Christians strictly adhere to Old Testament law. We have had Muslims living peacefully among us for centuries, and they have made a great number of contributions to our society, our country, and indeed, humanity. Keep in mind who has far and away suffered most from these evil bastards......Muslims. Many more Muslims have been butchered by these insane evil bastards. They need to be exterminated. Making broad, sweeping generalizations about Muslims/Arabs is precisely what they want. Nothing will be more powerful as a recruitment tool than this wave of bigotry we are seeing in the aftermath of this massacre in Paris. I realize what I am saying is not going to be well received, and most likely a number of people will draw negative inferences about me as a result, but at least I'm being honest. Not all Muslims are the same any more than all Christians share the same values as another fringe Christian group, the KKK.
We, as a nation have been here before, and we regret it. Let's not make the same mistake. It's understandable as an initial reaction, but if we go down that road again, we will have yet another shameful chapter to add to our history.....one we will most certainly regret.
While I agree that most Muslims do not agree with ISIS and their butchery. I must ask you where are the voices of the moderate Muslims. Silence is all I hear. Other than a few pundits I see no vast majority of moderate Muslims standing up to denounce this. Where are the Muslim religious leaders standing in mass against this....Again silence. While it is true that the KKK was an example of bastardize Christianity it was largely swipe into history by Christians and Christian leaders standing up and denouncing them. So again I ask you where are the Muslim voices in this.....Silence is all I see.
It's out there, and they really are speaking out against ISIS. Keep in mind it's Muslims who far and away have been raped and massacred the most.
If you LOOK for the condemnation, it's out there......but if you want to continue to use the alleged "absence of condemnation" as an excuse to be a bigot, then you won't look. Just because it's not on Facebook or TV doesn't mean it isn't there. Also, many of these people are very bewildered and afraid.....for good reason. ISIS is not Islam.
In the first place back the H*** off the bigot crap. There was nothing in my statement that was bigoted. It was a valid question. This is not a new problem it has been going on since the mid 80's and only getting worse. After all this time I should not have to LOOK as you say for a more robust condemnation it should be all over the media. You are right ISIS in is not Islam but until the good Muslim's loose their fear and bewilderment and stand up and take back their religion this problem will continue. I think most of the world agrees that these ISIS bastards need a bullet in the head. But that does not solve the root problem. This is not a Christion problem it is a Muslim problem it is the Muslim's that have let this grow. That be it from fear as you say but it is time that they loose that fear. Until the Muslim leaders that preach this crap are denounced and shunned in a LARGE voice by the vast majority Muslim's this will continue. As of yet I do not see that LARGE voice. |
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Location: PNW | oija - 2015-11-15 9:08 AM
Stitch4k9 - 2015-11-15 10:52 AM
Try listening to some International news. Muslims around the world are denouncing the violence. Evan here in CO they are standing with the French communities.karen
Yes BBC had a sad story about a bombing in Kenya by an extreme Muslim group Al Shaqab. 143 killed.
Totally true. Moderate Muslims are considered to have committed apostasy (denouncement of their Muslim faith) by the extremists, which the greatest sin of them all and is punishable by death under every interpretation of Sharia Law. Moderate Muslims are just as disgusting as us no-good Christians as far as the extremists are concerned, and in the Middle East there are far more moderate Muslims than Christians to persecute in whatever sick fashion they would like.
AS CHRISTIANS, we should be recognizing that our fear is what puts this hatred into our hearts and PRAY. Pray for YOURSELF, that you may be given understanding and compassion and safety. Pray for THE MIDDLE EAST and ALL those subjected to the horrors around them for whatever reason is given. I'm as scared as anybody else, but you can't let that fear rule your life and overpower your other emotions and erase your logic.
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Location: PNW | jbhoot - 2015-11-15 10:02 AM
Bear - 2015-11-15 10:47 AM
jbhoot - 2015-11-15 10:15 AM
Bear - 2015-11-14 7:41 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 7:12 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 7:08 PM
svincent - 2015-11-14 6:54 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 4:49 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 6:42 PM
muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism?
If they are Muslim and truly believe in the Quran - YES. It isn't a matter of whether or not they want us infidels dead; it is a question of whether or not they are willing to do it themselves or just let "the terrorists" do it.
OK, if that's correct, what should we do to the Muslim citizens in the US?
Watch them like a hawk, im talking about the citizens as well as the govt. Then deport any here illegally or on a visa and DO NOT import the "Syrian refugees".
I believe the vast majority of Muslims do not wish to kill innocent people. Regardless of what is taken out of context from the Quran, the vast majority of Muslims love and admire Christians, in general, as much as Christians generally love one another. You would probably be surprised to learn of the similarities and commonalities between Muslims and Christians. I'm Christian and I was raised Christian by my Christian grandmother. My grandfather was a Muslim, although not particularly devout. I have many relatives and friends who are Muslim. I have the unique life experience of growing up amidst both Muslims and Christians. Moderate Muslims do not take everything from the Quran literally any more than Christians strictly adhere to Old Testament law. We have had Muslims living peacefully among us for centuries, and they have made a great number of contributions to our society, our country, and indeed, humanity. Keep in mind who has far and away suffered most from these evil bastards......Muslims. Many more Muslims have been butchered by these insane evil bastards. They need to be exterminated. Making broad, sweeping generalizations about Muslims/Arabs is precisely what they want. Nothing will be more powerful as a recruitment tool than this wave of bigotry we are seeing in the aftermath of this massacre in Paris. I realize what I am saying is not going to be well received, and most likely a number of people will draw negative inferences about me as a result, but at least I'm being honest. Not all Muslims are the same any more than all Christians share the same values as another fringe Christian group, the KKK.
We, as a nation have been here before, and we regret it. Let's not make the same mistake. It's understandable as an initial reaction, but if we go down that road again, we will have yet another shameful chapter to add to our history.....one we will most certainly regret.
While I agree that most Muslims do not agree with ISIS and their butchery. I must ask you where are the voices of the moderate Muslims. Silence is all I hear. Other than a few pundits I see no vast majority of moderate Muslims standing up to denounce this. Where are the Muslim religious leaders standing in mass against this....Again silence. While it is true that the KKK was an example of bastardize Christianity it was largely swipe into history by Christians and Christian leaders standing up and denouncing them. So again I ask you where are the Muslim voices in this.....Silence is all I see.
It's out there, and they really are speaking out against ISIS. Keep in mind it's Muslims who far and away have been raped and massacred the most.
If you LOOK for the condemnation, it's out there......but if you want to continue to use the alleged "absence of condemnation" as an excuse to be a bigot, then you won't look. Just because it's not on Facebook or TV doesn't mean it isn't there. Also, many of these people are very bewildered and afraid.....for good reason. ISIS is not Islam.
In the first place back the H*** off the bigot crap. There was nothing in my statement that was bigoted. It was a valid question. This is not a new problem it has been going on since the mid 80's and only getting worse. After all this time I should not have to LOOK as you say for a more robust condemnation it should be all over the media. You are right ISIS in is not Islam but until the good Muslim's loose their fear and bewilderment and stand up and take back their religion this problem will continue. I think most of the world agrees that these ISIS bastards need a bullet in the head. But that does not solve the root problem. This is not a Christion problem it is a Muslim problem it is the Muslim's that have let this grow. That be it from fear as you say but it is time that they loose that fear. Until the Muslim leaders that preach this crap are denounced and shunned in a LARGE voice by the vast majority Muslim's this will continue. As of yet I do not see that LARGE voice.
If you watch any international news stations, the moderate Muslims DO speak out - but how many Americans watch BBC more regularly than Fox or MSNBC?
Moderate Muslims wanting to be moderate is what helped to plant the seed of ISIS. The extremists saw how moderate their faith was becoming and decided to try to change that. They started so small because they were a SMALL GROUP. They have gained traction through fear, violence, and promises of more violence. Unfortunately, ISIS is much heavier in the arms department than their moderate victims. Obama's opinion that ISIS was an inferior threat and his decision to withdraw from the ME only ended up compounding the situation and lead to the obviously rapid growth of the caliphate.
If somebody had a loop of razor wire around your children's necks and told you to join them or watch your family die, would you tell them to go eff themselves on international television? Probably not. If you ARE one of the few that is eager to be martyred, there's still flights to the Middle East on a regular basis, I'm sure they'd love all of the extra expertise on how to defeat ISIS. |
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Location: PNW | For what it is worth, I'm not calling anybody a bigot. I'm guilty of speaking too quickly with words fueled by fear also. I'm just trying to call our attention to the fact that many, if not most of us lose sight of our humanity when our families, values, and our country are threatened. This is wrong, but we can't linger in that mentality. Christians calling for the extermination of all Muslims is NO BETTER than Muslims calling for the extermination of all Christians, or from the Nazis calling for the extermination of all Jews.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jbhoot - 2015-11-15 12:02 PM
Bear - 2015-11-15 10:47 AM
jbhoot - 2015-11-15 10:15 AM
Bear - 2015-11-14 7:41 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 7:12 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 7:08 PM
svincent - 2015-11-14 6:54 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 4:49 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 6:42 PM
muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism?
If they are Muslim and truly believe in the Quran - YES. It isn't a matter of whether or not they want us infidels dead; it is a question of whether or not they are willing to do it themselves or just let "the terrorists" do it.
OK, if that's correct, what should we do to the Muslim citizens in the US?
Watch them like a hawk, im talking about the citizens as well as the govt. Then deport any here illegally or on a visa and DO NOT import the "Syrian refugees".
I believe the vast majority of Muslims do not wish to kill innocent people. Regardless of what is taken out of context from the Quran, the vast majority of Muslims love and admire Christians, in general, as much as Christians generally love one another. You would probably be surprised to learn of the similarities and commonalities between Muslims and Christians. I'm Christian and I was raised Christian by my Christian grandmother. My grandfather was a Muslim, although not particularly devout. I have many relatives and friends who are Muslim. I have the unique life experience of growing up amidst both Muslims and Christians. Moderate Muslims do not take everything from the Quran literally any more than Christians strictly adhere to Old Testament law. We have had Muslims living peacefully among us for centuries, and they have made a great number of contributions to our society, our country, and indeed, humanity. Keep in mind who has far and away suffered most from these evil bastards......Muslims. Many more Muslims have been butchered by these insane evil bastards. They need to be exterminated. Making broad, sweeping generalizations about Muslims/Arabs is precisely what they want. Nothing will be more powerful as a recruitment tool than this wave of bigotry we are seeing in the aftermath of this massacre in Paris. I realize what I am saying is not going to be well received, and most likely a number of people will draw negative inferences about me as a result, but at least I'm being honest. Not all Muslims are the same any more than all Christians share the same values as another fringe Christian group, the KKK.
We, as a nation have been here before, and we regret it. Let's not make the same mistake. It's understandable as an initial reaction, but if we go down that road again, we will have yet another shameful chapter to add to our history.....one we will most certainly regret.
While I agree that most Muslims do not agree with ISIS and their butchery. I must ask you where are the voices of the moderate Muslims. Silence is all I hear. Other than a few pundits I see no vast majority of moderate Muslims standing up to denounce this. Where are the Muslim religious leaders standing in mass against this....Again silence. While it is true that the KKK was an example of bastardize Christianity it was largely swipe into history by Christians and Christian leaders standing up and denouncing them. So again I ask you where are the Muslim voices in this.....Silence is all I see.
It's out there, and they really are speaking out against ISIS. Keep in mind it's Muslims who far and away have been raped and massacred the most.
If you LOOK for the condemnation, it's out there......but if you want to continue to use the alleged "absence of condemnation" as an excuse to be a bigot, then you won't look. Just because it's not on Facebook or TV doesn't mean it isn't there. Also, many of these people are very bewildered and afraid.....for good reason. ISIS is not Islam.
In the first place back the H*** off the bigot crap. There was nothing in my statement that was bigoted. It was a valid question. This is not a new problem it has been going on since the mid 80's and only getting worse. After all this time I should not have to LOOK as you say for a more robust condemnation it should be all over the media. You are right ISIS in is not Islam but until the good Muslim's loose their fear and bewilderment and stand up and take back their religion this problem will continue. I think most of the world agrees that these ISIS bastards need a bullet in the head. But that does not solve the root problem. This is not a Christion problem it is a Muslim problem it is the Muslim's that have let this grow. That be it from fear as you say but it is time that they loose that fear. Until the Muslim leaders that preach this crap are denounced and shunned in a LARGE voice by the vast majority Muslim's this will continue. As of yet I do not see that LARGE voice.
First of all, John, I didn't mean to call YOU a bigot. I apologize. That was sloppy wording on my part. I should have stated "If one wants to....."
My question to you is, have you actually looked for condemnation of these monsters by moderate, mainstream Muslims? If you don't look for it, you won't see much, but take my word for it......it's out there. It could be better, I'll admit, but it's out there. Try looking. Read about it.
Keep one thing in mind.....there are only 2 million Muslim citizens in this country. That's way less than 1%. That, plus the nature of media, makes their condemnation not sensational enough to be particularly newsworthy.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | vjls - 2015-11-15 12:51 PM
its just satan getting in high gear before Jesus comes back
we don/t know the answer but i will say this any man that rapes a child that his religion says is ok there is a special place in hell for them
I agree.....pretty disgusting, even if it was common accepted practice 1400 years ago.
Can you imagine a prominent modern day Christian leader as a pedophile?
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| Bear - 2015-11-15 12:50 PM
jbhoot - 2015-11-15 12:02 PM
Bear - 2015-11-15 10:47 AM
jbhoot - 2015-11-15 10:15 AM
Bear - 2015-11-14 7:41 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 7:12 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 7:08 PM
svincent - 2015-11-14 6:54 PM
Bear - 2015-11-14 4:49 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-14 6:42 PM
muslims are the biggest hate group, no question about it, their bible mandates it. Plus muslims kill and instill more terror each and every year than the Klan ever has.
It's true that practically all major terror attacks over the past half century have been committed by Muslims. Does that mean all Muslims are terrorists or promoters of terrorism?
If they are Muslim and truly believe in the Quran - YES. It isn't a matter of whether or not they want us infidels dead; it is a question of whether or not they are willing to do it themselves or just let "the terrorists" do it.
OK, if that's correct, what should we do to the Muslim citizens in the US?
Watch them like a hawk, im talking about the citizens as well as the govt. Then deport any here illegally or on a visa and DO NOT import the "Syrian refugees".
I believe the vast majority of Muslims do not wish to kill innocent people. Regardless of what is taken out of context from the Quran, the vast majority of Muslims love and admire Christians, in general, as much as Christians generally love one another. You would probably be surprised to learn of the similarities and commonalities between Muslims and Christians. I'm Christian and I was raised Christian by my Christian grandmother. My grandfather was a Muslim, although not particularly devout. I have many relatives and friends who are Muslim. I have the unique life experience of growing up amidst both Muslims and Christians. Moderate Muslims do not take everything from the Quran literally any more than Christians strictly adhere to Old Testament law. We have had Muslims living peacefully among us for centuries, and they have made a great number of contributions to our society, our country, and indeed, humanity. Keep in mind who has far and away suffered most from these evil bastards......Muslims. Many more Muslims have been butchered by these insane evil bastards. They need to be exterminated. Making broad, sweeping generalizations about Muslims/Arabs is precisely what they want. Nothing will be more powerful as a recruitment tool than this wave of bigotry we are seeing in the aftermath of this massacre in Paris. I realize what I am saying is not going to be well received, and most likely a number of people will draw negative inferences about me as a result, but at least I'm being honest. Not all Muslims are the same any more than all Christians share the same values as another fringe Christian group, the KKK.
We, as a nation have been here before, and we regret it. Let's not make the same mistake. It's understandable as an initial reaction, but if we go down that road again, we will have yet another shameful chapter to add to our history.....one we will most certainly regret.
While I agree that most Muslims do not agree with ISIS and their butchery. I must ask you where are the voices of the moderate Muslims. Silence is all I hear. Other than a few pundits I see no vast majority of moderate Muslims standing up to denounce this. Where are the Muslim religious leaders standing in mass against this....Again silence. While it is true that the KKK was an example of bastardize Christianity it was largely swipe into history by Christians and Christian leaders standing up and denouncing them. So again I ask you where are the Muslim voices in this.....Silence is all I see.
It's out there, and they really are speaking out against ISIS. Keep in mind it's Muslims who far and away have been raped and massacred the most.
If you LOOK for the condemnation, it's out there......but if you want to continue to use the alleged "absence of condemnation" as an excuse to be a bigot, then you won't look. Just because it's not on Facebook or TV doesn't mean it isn't there. Also, many of these people are very bewildered and afraid.....for good reason. ISIS is not Islam.
In the first place back the H*** off the bigot crap. There was nothing in my statement that was bigoted. It was a valid question. This is not a new problem it has been going on since the mid 80's and only getting worse. After all this time I should not have to LOOK as you say for a more robust condemnation it should be all over the media. You are right ISIS in is not Islam but until the good Muslim's loose their fear and bewilderment and stand up and take back their religion this problem will continue. I think most of the world agrees that these ISIS bastards need a bullet in the head. But that does not solve the root problem. This is not a Christion problem it is a Muslim problem it is the Muslim's that have let this grow. That be it from fear as you say but it is time that they loose that fear. Until the Muslim leaders that preach this crap are denounced and shunned in a LARGE voice by the vast majority Muslim's this will continue. As of yet I do not see that LARGE voice.
First of all, John, I didn't mean to call YOU a bigot. I apologize. That was sloppy wording on my part. I should have stated "If one wants to....."
My question to you is, have you actually looked for condemnation of these monsters by moderate, mainstream Muslims? If you don't look for it, you won't see much, but take my word for it......it's out there. It could be better, I'll admit, but it's out there. Try looking. Read about it.
Keep one thing in mind.....there are only 2 million Muslim citizens in this country. That's way less than 1%. That, plus the nature of media, makes their condemnation not sensational enough to be particularly newsworthy.
Yes Scott I have looked for it and I do see some of it. But to me not enough or loud enough That's my point. And yes I try to read both sides of a question. And yes I read national and international news. But to me unless the voices get louder I don't see much change. I see it as an internal problem in the Muslim religion and it's going to take the Muslim's to change this way of thinking. This change has to come from within the Muslim community I do not see how we as a country can change this type of thinking all we can do is kill the radicals. I do realize that the Muslim community is small but many many small groups can get their voices heard just look at the head lines of the news. Change only comes from protest and conviction to an idea. Bullets can't solve this alone. The change has to come from with in. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | vjls - 2015-11-15 12:51 PM its just satan getting in high gear before Jesus comes back
we don/t know the answer but i will say this any man that rapes a child that his religion says is ok there is a special place in hell for them
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vjls - 2015-11-15 12:51 PM
its just satan getting in high gear before Jesus comes back
we don/t know the answer but i will say this any man that rapes a child that his religion says is ok there is a special place in hell for them
I agree.....pretty disgusting, even if it was common accepted practice 1400 years ago.
Can you imagine a prominent modern day Christian leader as a pedophile?
Makes me shudder.
That reminds me of a story I heard some time back about a priest and an alter boy or some such.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | arion - 2015-11-15 2:45 PM
Bear - 2015-11-15 1:53 PM
vjls - 2015-11-15 12:51 PM
its just satan getting in high gear before Jesus comes back
we don/t know the answer but i will say this any man that rapes a child that his religion says is ok there is a special place in hell for them
I agree.....pretty disgusting, even if it was common accepted practice 1400 years ago.
Can you imagine a prominent modern day Christian leader as a pedophile?
Makes me shudder.
That reminds me of a story I heard some time back about a priest and an alter boy or some such.
Surely that was back in the Middle Ages. |
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| Bear - 2015-11-15 3:38 PM
arion - 2015-11-15 2:45 PM
Bear - 2015-11-15 1:53 PM
vjls - 2015-11-15 12:51 PM
its just satan getting in high gear before Jesus comes back
we don/t know the answer but i will say this any man that rapes a child that his religion says is ok there is a special place in hell for them
I agree.....pretty disgusting, even if it was common accepted practice 1400 years ago.
Can you imagine a prominent modern day Christian leader as a pedophile?
Makes me shudder.
That reminds me of a story I heard some time back about a priest and an alter boy or some such.
Surely that was back in the Middle Ages.
Keep reaching you disgusting apologist. Add up all the bad crap Catholics did in the last 50 years and that would be a slow week for the muslims.
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Location: PNW | Itsme - 2015-11-15 1:45 PM
Bear - 2015-11-15 3:38 PM
arion - 2015-11-15 2:45 PM
Bear - 2015-11-15 1:53 PM
vjls - 2015-11-15 12:51 PM
its just satan getting in high gear before Jesus comes back
we don/t know the answer but i will say this any man that rapes a child that his religion says is ok there is a special place in hell for them
I agree.....pretty disgusting, even if it was common accepted practice 1400 years ago.
Can you imagine a prominent modern day Christian leader as a pedophile?
Makes me shudder.
That reminds me of a story I heard some time back about a priest and an alter boy or some such.
Surely that was back in the Middle Ages.
Keep reaching you disgusting apologist. Add up all the bad crap Catholics did in the last 50 years and that would be a slow week for the muslims.
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Can we go back 80 years to that time that some Catholic German guy convinced an entire country to murder some 5-6 million Jews? I mean, it's outside your parameters, but still significant.
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its just satan getting in high gear before Jesus comes back
we don/t know the answer but i will say this any man that rapes a child that his religion says is ok there is a special place in hell for them
I agree.....pretty disgusting, even if it was common accepted practice 1400 years ago.
Can you imagine a prominent modern day Christian leader as a pedophile?
Makes me shudder.
That reminds me of a story I heard some time back about a priest and an alter boy or some such.
Surely that was back in the Middle Ages.
Keep reaching you disgusting apologist. Add up all the bad crap Catholics did in the last 50 years and that would be a slow week for the muslims.
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its just satan getting in high gear before Jesus comes back
we don/t know the answer but i will say this any man that rapes a child that his religion says is ok there is a special place in hell for them
I agree.....pretty disgusting, even if it was common accepted practice 1400 years ago.
Can you imagine a prominent modern day Christian leader as a pedophile?
Makes me shudder.
That reminds me of a story I heard some time back about a priest and an alter boy or some such.
Surely that was back in the Middle Ages.
Keep reaching you disgusting apologist. Add up all the bad crap Catholics did in the last 50 years and that would be a slow week for the muslims.
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I'm disgusting? What's your name you cowardly punk? You remind me of a yippy little dog who nips at people's heels, then runs away when you take a step toward him. Have you ever had an original thought in your entire life?
You talk like you want to fight? HAHA!
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Im saddened by what this post has turned into yet again.PRAYERS FOR ALL THE LIVES LOST AND THE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS THAT LOVED THEM.
Yes, little kids with half their heads blown off need prayers?! They need real leaders from the west to deport these people asap. |
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They called the tune, I think it's about time we made them dance to it....
I think every one we kill, should be buried with a pork-chop in his mouth!!
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its just satan getting in high gear before Jesus comes back
we don/t know the answer but i will say this any man that rapes a child that his religion says is ok there is a special place in hell for them
I agree.....pretty disgusting, even if it was common accepted practice 1400 years ago.
Can you imagine a prominent modern day Christian leader as a pedophile?
Makes me shudder.
That reminds me of a story I heard some time back about a priest and an alter boy or some such.
Surely that was back in the Middle Ages.
Keep reaching you disgusting apologist. Add up all the bad crap Catholics did in the last 50 years and that would be a slow week for the muslims.
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Yeah let's eradicate 25% of the worlds population bc 20 guys are shooting up Paris with AKs. Jesus Christ settle down you f'ing drama queen. Or better yet, get on a plane and go get ya some. Isil is slaughtering Christians in Syria. They are gladly accepting American volunteers so Itsme and whoever else if you are that red assed there is a pretty quick fix to take the fight to the enemy and sate your genocidal blood lust. |
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jake16 - 2015-11-15 4:53 PM
Im saddened by what this post has turned into yet again.PRAYERS FOR ALL THE LIVES LOST AND THE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS THAT LOVED THEM.
Yes, little kids with half their heads blown off need prayers?! They need real leaders from the west to deport these people asap.
I will answer you ONCE. THIS IS A THREAD MADE BY THE OWNER OF THIS BOARD.YOU HAVE BROKE RULE NUMBER THREE AND TEN.GET A LIFE ! the thread ask for prayers....start another thread if you want to call names bad mouth people and make fun of parents whos child had their head blown off. |
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I honestly believe if the world follows the lead of France, we can make huge strides with a lot of countries in the Middle East. They really only respect one thing....power. If I had my way we would quietly make plans (by MILITARY leaders) with France and England and for God's sake keep it totally quiet. Then I'd open up on about 20 select ISIS concentrations with everything we have over about 24-48 hours and turn them into glass. I'd use the media to mislead them, with misinformation, if anything. I think we just might hear thunderous applause from everywhere. At the same time, I think the UN would realize it's high time they step up and do what they're supposed to do since their inception. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-11-15 6:22 PM ISIS is finally getting bombed by France while the US has been bombing empty buildings. How come France knows what and where to bomb and the US doesn't or the reality that our POTUS never wanted to bomb anything of importance?
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Obama is not at war with radical Jihad but they are at war with him.
Where does that leave us?
Complacent and vulnerable. I look at Obama's policy as being the same as lying by omission. If he's not willing to fight them, he's obviously willing to see them succeed. That's a bit narrow, I know - but it's just the meat and potatoes of the thought. |
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Has anyone here actually read The Quran? I think it's time to learn a little more about my enemy. But .... I want an accurate translation.
I haven't read it myself, Komet, but I've learned a lot about it through relatives and friends who are Muslim. My principle source is my cousin, Dean. Dean immigrated to the U.S. with his large family from Lebanon when he was 6 years old in 1964 or 65. My grandfather helped them get here, legally. They were dirt poor. His Mother was 9 months pregnant and went into labor shortly after they arrived. None of the family could speak a word of English. They had a great uncle who owned a gas station/ diner on the outskirts of Rolla, ND, my hometown, about 10 miles from Canada. The family, which included 6 kids, lived in a very small 2 bedroom above the gas station. They had the advantage of a lot of caring Arab Americans who lived in the area, as well as a community that opened their arms to them. Very quickly they adapted to America and our traditions, including Christmas, believe it or not. They learned English very quickly. Everyone worked very hard. The kids all got jobs as early as possible, starting with paper routes. Even the 3 girls were forced to deliver papers, because the father, Ahmed, felt it was the best way for them to learn proficiency in English conversation.
The kids quickly became quite popular with their classmates. They all played sports and excelled, but they still had to work and save money. We celebrated Christmas, and often they joined us on Christmas Eve and Day. I knew even back then that Jesus is very highly regarded, devinely inspired, and emmaculately conceived. It is believed that he is seated at the right hand of God and that he will judge us. Those kids all grauated at or near the top of their class. Dean was all state in football and baseball. They all grew up and were married to Muslims. They all went to college and branched off to have very successful careers....BOTH the men and women. Dean, went to Gerorge Washington U Law school in Washington DC. He worked for a firm in NY and later worked as an attorney for the Royal family in Dubai. He also worked as a consultant in the oil industry and is now a very successful executive for a company that specializes in horizontal drilling, headquartered in Houston. Let me tell you if you met Dean, his lovely wife, Ameney, or any of their kids there is now way you wouldn't like them. They are wealthy, and very generous people. Charity is considered a very important virtue in this family, and they attribute it to their faith, as well as their family and ND roots. They don't flash it or flaunt it either.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Shoot....couldn't download it. Well, all three religions were built on essentially the same moral and even traditional foundations. Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all have the exact same Old Testament in common.
The Old Testament is said to form the basic historical/traditional framework for all three. One big difference is that Judaism basically considers Jesus to be a mortal figure and one of many who falsely claimed to be The Messiah. To a large extent, Christianity builds on the teachings of Judaism, but not visa-versa. Islam teaches a deep abiding reverence regarding Jesus and Mary and the "purity of their origins". Islam does not believe that Jesus died on the cross. It's interesting that we all refer to our Judeo-Christian values, yet Jesus is not at all highly regarded by Judaism, as far as I know. Jews have several principle prophets.....Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, etc.... Obviously our principle Prophet is Jesus. Mohammed to the Muslims was their principle prophet, but he was otherwise considered to be a mere mortal man with no devine attributes. He performed no miracles.
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Thank you Doc....
No problem. I should also add that Dean probably knows our Bible better than most of us. He actually has a great deal of love and respect for Chrustians. He can quote verses from both the Old and New Testament. He does it because he believes in the message. He despises anti-Semitism as well.....surprising, I have to say. He is a very tough man, but I know a lot of the stereotypes and generalizations disturb him a great deal, but he says that the only way to survive this is to not react and develop a thick skin.
Maybe that partly explains the perception that Moderates aren't speaking out enough.
Muslims who are moderate call both Jews and Christians "people of the book", a term that connotes admiration and respect. I think, and I hope all religious faiths will one day realize we have to learn to respect one another.
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Obama is not at war with radical Jihad but they are at war with him. Radical Islam is the cancer ruining humanity.
No, ****lam is the cancer that has been trying to destroy human civilization for 1,400 years. There is no moderate ****lam. There is no radical ****lam. There is just ****lam. And it is pure evil. It's a barbaric, totaltarian government that wants to domitate the world with it's shariah BS. It is NOT a religion. |
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The refugees are here..they dont look hungry
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komet. - 2015-11-15 9:23 PM
Thank you Doc....
No problem. I should also add that Dean probably knows our Bible better than most of us. He actually has a great deal of love and respect for Chrustians. He can quote verses from both the Old and New Testament. He does it because he believes in the message. He despises anti-Semitism as well.....surprising, I have to say. He is a very tough man, but I know a lot of the stereotypes and generalizations disturb him a great deal, but he says that the only way to survive this is to not react and develop a thick skin.
Maybe that partly explains the perception that Moderates aren't speaking out enough.
Muslims who are moderate call both Jews and Christians "people of the book", a term that connotes admiration and respect. I think, and I hope all religious faiths will one day realize we have to learn to respect one another.
I know I sound like a Pollyanna.
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Shoot....couldn't download it. Well, all three religions were built on essentially the same moral and even traditional foundations. Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all have the exact same Old Testament in common.
The Old Testament is said to form the basic historical/traditional framework for all three. One big difference is that Judaism basically considers Jesus to be a mortal figure and one of many who falsely claimed to be The Messiah. To a large extent, Christianity builds on the teachings of Judaism, but not visa-versa. Islam teaches a deep abiding reverence regarding Jesus and Mary and the "purity of their origins". Islam does not believe that Jesus died on the cross. It's interesting that we all refer to our Judeo-Christian values, yet Jesus is not at all highly regarded by Judaism, as far as I know. Jews have several principle prophets.....Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, etc.... Obviously our principle Prophet is Jesus. Mohammed to the Muslims was their principle prophet, but he was otherwise considered to be a mere mortal man with no devine attributes. He performed no miracles.
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Has anyone here actually read The Quran? I think it's time to learn a little more about my enemy. But .... I want an accurate translation.
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komet. - 2015-11-15 7:44 PM
Has anyone here actually read The Quran? I think it's time to learn a little more about my enemy. But .... I want an accurate translation.
I haven't read it myself, Komet, but I've learned a lot about it through relatives and friends who are Muslim. My principle source is my cousin, Dean. Dean immigrated to the U.S. with his large family from Lebanon when he was 6 years old in 1964 or 65. My grandfather helped them get here, legally. They were dirt poor. His Mother was 9 months pregnant and went into labor shortly after they arrived. None of the family could speak a word of English. They had a great uncle who owned a gas station/ diner on the outskirts of Rolla, ND, my hometown, about 10 miles from Canada. The family, which included 6 kids, lived in a very small 2 bedroom above the gas station. They had the advantage of a lot of caring Arab Americans who lived in the area, as well as a community that opened their arms to them. Very quickly they adapted to America and our traditions, including Christmas, believe it or not. They learned English very quickly. Everyone worked very hard. The kids all got jobs as early as possible, starting with paper routes. Even the 3 girls were forced to deliver papers, because the father, Ahmed, felt it was the best way for them to learn proficiency in English conversation.
The kids quickly became quite popular with their classmates. They all played sports and excelled, but they still had to work and save money. We celebrated Christmas, and often they joined us on Christmas Eve and Day. I knew even back then that Jesus is very highly regarded, devinely inspired, and emmaculately conceived. It is believed that he is seated at the right hand of God and that he will judge us. Those kids all grauated at or near the top of their class. Dean was all state in football and baseball. They all grew up and were married to Muslims. They all went to college and branched off to have very successful careers....BOTH the men and women. Dean, went to Gerorge Washington U Law school in Washington DC. He worked for a firm in NY and later worked as an attorney for the Royal family in Dubai. He also worked as a consultant in the oil industry and is now a very successful executive for a company that specializes in horizontal drilling, headquartered in Houston. Let me tell you if you met Dean, his lovely wife, Ameney, or any of their kids there is now way you wouldn't like them. They are wealthy, and very generous people. Charity is considered a very important virtue in this family, and they attribute it to their faith, as well as their family and ND roots. They don't flash it or flaunt it either.
I have a little table that compares and contrasts Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. I'll see if I can post it.
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=koran&go=Go
Read it. Read the hadiths. Pay attention to what they have been doing for 1,400 years and the atrocities they commit EVERY **** DAY. Your cousin is not a muslim, he is an apostate that could be killed in every ****lamic country. They do not believe Jesus is God's son. And allah is NOT Jehovah.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | MYQHFilly - 2015-11-15 10:13 PM
Gail - 2015-11-15 7:26 PM
Obama is not at war with radical Jihad but they are at war with him. Radical Islam is the cancer ruining humanity.
No, ****lam is the cancer that has been trying to destroy human civilization for 1,400 years. There is no moderate ****lam. There is no radical ****lam. There is just ****lam. And it is pure evil. It's a barbaric, totaltarian government that wants to domitate the world with it's shariah BS. It is NOT a religion.
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Location: Arkansas | oija - 2015-11-15 10:21 AM
Sometimes you sacrifice some security to have certain freedoms. When we let our fear and hate rule us, in the same way it rules these terrorists, we sink to their level, sacrifice our identity as Americans, and then must be prepared to live in a military state. History has taught us over and over how pleasant that is. Yes, let's all be Syria part two only yelling the name of Jesus, who I'm ever so sure would approve of our killing tons of people. This is a thread about prayer. My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to those who have suffered in France. I don't care if anyone here thinks that country has 'brought it on themselves,' perhaps in the same way America brought 9/11 on ourselves. People are suffering and hearts are hurting from a mindless act of hate. Let us do please avoid demonstrating the same form of mindless hate here. Many prayers for these families and even for those souls lost in hate that caused this travesty. Anyone who is raised around such hate is to be pitied as well. It cannot be happy to know such negativity all your life and then prepare to lose it so violently. I'll pray for a few souls on here that they not lose themselves in the same hate.
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Location: Arkansas | jake16 - 2015-11-15 4:53 PM
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Location: Kansas | MYQHFilly - 2015-11-15 10:16 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-15 9:44 PM The refugees are here..they dont look hungry
They are not refugees. They are invaders, commiting jihad through hijrah.
....and now Obama is releasing another five prisoners from GITMO to the United Arab Emirates. Evidently the Paris thing whizzed right over his head as he restocks ISIS management.
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We already know Obama is a prolific liar, so.....
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I caught a little of the Today's show this morning getting ready for work. One of the women was interviewing Mitt and he was a true voice of reason. I wish he had said what he said this morning when he was running for president. Anyway, he was saying how it was time for the non-jihadist Islamists to stand up and help the rest of the world with the radical Islamists. He said it very well, so well, the interviewer asked him twice if there was any way he would consider running again. She did not sound like she usually does when she interviews a Republican. She almost sounded desperate.
I got in very late last night and had to get up early to go to work, so I may have badly paraphrased what Mitt said, but I am sure it can be found.
Mitt was right about practically everything, including his predictions. I still think he has been the most qualified candidate for president we have seen in several decades. Maybe even more than Reagan. He lost because he was too nice, basically. I wish he'd reconsider, because I think he'd win in a landslide. |
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I caught a little of the Today's show this morning getting ready for work. One of the women was interviewing Mitt and he was a true voice of reason. I wish he had said what he said this morning when he was running for president. Anyway, he was saying how it was time for the non-jihadist Islamists to stand up and help the rest of the world with the radical Islamists. He said it very well, so well, the interviewer asked him twice if there was any way he would consider running again. She did not sound like she usually does when she interviews a Republican. She almost sounded desperate.
I got in very late last night and had to get up early to go to work, so I may have badly paraphrased what Mitt said, but I am sure it can be found.
Mitt was right about practically everything, including his predictions. I still think he has been the most qualified candidate for president we have seen in several decades. Maybe even more than Reagan. He lost because he was too nice, basically. I wish he'd reconsider, because I think he'd win in a landslide.
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| Frodo - 2015-11-17 6:05 AM MYQHFilly - 2015-11-15 10:16 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-15 9:44 PM The refugees are here..they dont look hungry
They are not refugees. They are invaders, commiting jihad through hijrah.
This blows my mind. Really. What rotten timing. It is such a calloused, yet seemingly calculated move on his part. I cannot wait for the man to go home. Of course then, he takes with him all the top secret info that he should have never had in the first place. I rememeber when he was elected, one of you on here posted a big article how he wouldn't have even cleared his own security check but was elected. It was crazy then and it's still crazy. |
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| Bear - 2015-11-16 8:56 AM
GLP - 2015-11-16 8:42 AM
I caught a little of the Today's show this morning getting ready for work. One of the women was interviewing Mitt and he was a true voice of reason. I wish he had said what he said this morning when he was running for president. Anyway, he was saying how it was time for the non-jihadist Islamists to stand up and help the rest of the world with the radical Islamists. He said it very well, so well, the interviewer asked him twice if there was any way he would consider running again. She did not sound like she usually does when she interviews a Republican. She almost sounded desperate.
I got in very late last night and had to get up early to go to work, so I may have badly paraphrased what Mitt said, but I am sure it can be found.
Mitt was right about practically everything, including his predictions. I still think he has been the most qualified candidate for president we have seen in several decades. Maybe even more than Reagan. He lost because he was too nice, basically. I wish he'd reconsider, because I think he'd win in a landslide.
I went back and watched the interview and I have to agree with you Bear. I like him much better now than I did when he was running last time, although I did vote for him last time. He just seemed very firm in his statements and sounded very much more presidential than Obama. |
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Location: Midwest | Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee? |
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Location: Florida.. | Id say just make sure they were in their early twenties , men,  and ready to fight... clearly they dont look hungrey or homeless.. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-11-16 9:37 AM
Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee?
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Xrays, blood work, lameness exam, pedigree research, owner history.
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-11-16 9:37 AM Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee?
Good question.
I just listed in disbelief as Obama addressed the issues of terror. He used the word "I" more than the words "us" meaning the citizens of the United States. He doesn't even know the proper nomenclature of the use of the word Special Forces. For the record Special Forces are Green Beret troops only. What he is should of said was Special Operations. And trust me...if you are a Special Operator or the family of one you pick up on it.
The frustration and complete lack of confidence I have in the President to keep my sons and our country safe is indescribable. I don't want tosee the United States part of a civil war but at least untie the hands of the Special Operators already in the Middle East so they can do their jobs. And that is coming directly from the Special Operators in Iraq begging to do their jobs. Not my words..theirs.
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| State by state governors are declaring they will not accept refugees. I can't help but think of my own state of Arizona whom tried and failed to plea with the Federal Goverment over protecting it's border from illegal immigrants. This is going to become a show down between what the Feds want and the State's right to protect itself. This presidency cannot end soon enough. Again, the courts are going to be busy. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2015-11-16 9:37 AM
Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee?
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| RidenFly - 2015-11-16 9:57 AM
State by state governors are declaring they will not accept refugees. I can't help but think of my own state of Arizona whom tried and failed to plea with the Federal Goverment over protecting it's border from illegal immigrants. This is going to become a show down between what the Feds want and the State's right to protect itself. This presidency cannot end soon enough. Again, the courts are going to be busy.
Governor Abbot just posted that Texas will not take in any refugees, although, I thought I heard some were already in San Antonio. Michigan and Alabama have already refused to take any in. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Supposedly these people are leaving Syria to escape ISIS. Maybe this makes too much sense, but it seems to me it would be so much easier to "clear out" that country so they don't have to leave. I think this is a good excuse for a lot of them to simply take the express lane to another country that promises a better life.....including freebies. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Gail - 2015-11-16 10:53 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-11-16 9:37 AM Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee? Good question.
I just listed in disbelief as Obama addressed the issues of terror. He used the word "I" more than the words "us" meaning the citizens of the United States. He doesn't even know the proper nomenclature of the use of the word Special Forces. For the record Special Forces are Green Beret troops only. What he is should of said was Special Operations. And trust me...if you are a Special Operator or the family of one you pick up on it.
The frustration and complete lack of confidence I have in the President to keep my sons and our country safe is indescribable. I don't want tosee the United States part of a civil war but at least untie the hands of the Special Operators already in the Middle East so they can do their jobs. And that is coming directly from the Special Operators in Iraq begging to do their jobs. Not my words..theirs.
Unfortuantely, this has been going on before nobama. I have friends who were in Special Ops before him. They also were told to do nothing. If they have been given the go ahead way before him, a lot of this would not be happening now.
And, I cannot believe I just stood up for the biggest piece of crap President i personally think we have ever had, but it is true. |
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Location: Kansas | Gail - 2015-11-16 9:53 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-11-16 9:37 AM Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee? Good question.
I just listed in disbelief as Obama addressed the issues of terror. He used the word "I" more than the words "us" meaning the citizens of the United States. He doesn't even know the proper nomenclature of the use of the word Special Forces. For the record Special Forces are Green Beret troops only. What he is should of said was Special Operations. And trust me...if you are a Special Operator or the family of one you pick up on it.
The frustration and complete lack of confidence I have in the President to keep my sons and our country safe is indescribable. I don't want tosee the United States part of a civil war but at least untie the hands of the Special Operators already in the Middle East so they can do their jobs. And that is coming directly from the Special Operators in Iraq begging to do their jobs. Not my words..theirs.
I listened to this too Gail and was dumbfounded and frankly very embarassed that the U.S. has to call this man their President. He fumbled and rambled and became very defensive at anything that might be termed criticism, even using the phrase "when somebody pops off about something." How presidential can you get? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Gail - 2015-11-16 9:53 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-11-16 9:37 AM Forgive me if this has been answered, but how exactly does one "vet" a refugee? Good question.
I just listed in disbelief as Obama addressed the issues of terror. He used the word "I" more than the words "us" meaning the citizens of the United States. He doesn't even know the proper nomenclature of the use of the word Special Forces. For the record Special Forces are Green Beret troops only. What he is should of said was Special Operations. And trust me...if you are a Special Operator or the family of one you pick up on it.
The frustration and complete lack of confidence I have in the President to keep my sons and our country safe is indescribable. I don't want tosee the United States part of a civil war but at least untie the hands of the Special Operators already in the Middle East so they can do their jobs. And that is coming directly from the Special Operators in Iraq begging to do their jobs. Not my words..theirs.
What do you expect when a Community Organizer becomes President? He's a fool..
Sending prayers to your son and all of our troops.
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Location: Florida.. | Saw on FB that since ISIS is contained the Refugees can go home right?
seroiusly though.... WHO cant see what is happening with this? this wasnt just a non thought out plan of Obamas.. the lack of children and women and spread out in differant areas... right when he also tried to ban guns.. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-11-16 6:59 PM
Saw on FB that since ISIS is contained the Refugees can go home right?
seroiusly though.... WHO cant see what is happening with this? this wasnt just a non thought out plan of Obamas.. the lack of children and women and spread out in differant areas... right when he also tried to ban guns..
It's just another reason why Obama has been named the number one gun salesman of the year. Seven years in a row I might add. LOL |
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Location: Florida.. | Rumor has it the photos I posted were not refugees but a drug bust.. I dont know the truth but want to clarify |
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| The Boston Bombers were Chechen refugees. Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev both refugees.
My heart and prayers are with the victims of maggots of ISIS and those enduring torture in Syria. But we must protect our borders and citizens first. There are other solutions to and places to contain refugees other than to open our doors in America. |
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| Our news is claiming the states may not legally be able to refuse people of refugee status. This is so disgusting the way the Federal Goverment continues to shove crap down our necks. Where's MusicMaker? I'd love to read her opinion on this. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | RidenFly - 2015-11-17 8:08 AM
Our news is claiming the states may not legally be able to refuse people of refugee status. This is so disgusting the way the Federal Goverment continues to shove crap down our necks. Where's MusicMaker? I'd love to read her opinion on this.
Honestly, does it matter much whether states allow it or do not. After they are in the country, most state borders are pretty darn open and easy to cross anyway. They might have a bit more trouble with certain social services in that state but it won't keep them from entering. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Thank goodness Governor Abbot closed Texas to the refugees, everybody is getting so jumpy and thats good so that everyone now is paying close attention to their surroundings.
Still sending prayers for Paris
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Location: Kansas | Just like with Obamacare, the majority of Americans do NOT want these refugees to be allowed to enter the U.S. at this point. Once again, average citizen ignored and treated like we're ignorant. |
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| Don't think the irony is not lost upon Arizona who tried to explain to the rest of the U.S. what it's like not to be able to refuse immigrants and enact and enforce our own laws. Protecting our border is our right. But, Immediately viewed as racist along with boycots from large corps. But the truth is welfare system/state is simply broke and residents tired of the crime etc. Now everyone else is crying about these refugees. Maybe the situation is different, yet not so much that a person can't now at least gain some understanding of the situation.
No other country allow the influx of criminal border crossing without consecuence. The punishment in Mexico should the situation reverse is pretty dam* severe.
For our President to call these attacks on Paris simply a "set back" is embarrasing as hell. |
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Location: East Texas | ISIS is bad, but they can't come close to killing as many in the western world as Detroit has murders every year. Just saw where Baltimore had 300 murders already this year. Gangs in this country kill more than ISIS ever hopes to. The Mexican cartels have turned our border into a war zone. ISIS is just the distraction the government uses to keep everyone from knowing we don't have the guts to clean up our own backyard, must less the rest of the world.
As for our governor keeping refugees out..... you really think that if they are dropped off in New Orleans that they will not drive a couple hours west and withing 4 months be living in free housing, with free health care, eating free food? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | We might end up with 30-35 states who refuse to accept refugees. There will always be solidly liberal states like California, New York, and Massachusetts willing to take them in. Once that happens, they will eventually wind up everywhere. You can't keep them from crossing state lines.
If we would have had a real coalition put together to clean up Syria, they wouldn't have ths excuse. Now it's too little too late, and we're stuck. The refugees will be here, whether we like it or not. These governors know it. |
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| Bear - 2015-11-17 10:44 AM
We might end up with 30-35 states who refuse to accept refugees. There will always be solidly liberal states like California, New York, and Massachusetts willing to take them in. Once that happens, they will eventually wind up everywhere. You can't keep them from crossing state lines.
If we would have had a real coalition put together to clean up Syria, they wouldn't have ths excuse. Now it's too little too late, and we're stuck. The refugees will be here, whether we like it or not. These governors know it.
I agree - impossible to keep them from crossing state lines, but we don't have to give them free room, board, medical attention, food - EVERYTHING.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-reall...
Interesting read. I know many on here making extreme statements would agree with this and that ISIS is 'true Islam,' and all Muslims must follow their ideological dictates to be Islamic but this article offers a number of different views and theological interpretations. It also shows that NOT all Muslims fall under this umbrella in the same way that not all Christians are like those from Westboro Baptist Church.
It is largely consistent with many of the more extreme traditions and literal reading of the Koran, which I have read and teach in my classes.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-11-17 10:44 AM
We might end up with 30-35 states who refuse to accept refugees. There will always be solidly liberal states like California, New York, and Massachusetts willing to take them in. Once that happens, they will eventually wind up everywhere. You can't keep them from crossing state lines.
If we would have had a real coalition put together to clean up Syria, they wouldn't have ths excuse. Now it's too little too late, and we're stuck. The refugees will be here, whether we like it or not. These governors know it.
You can add Missouri to the list of states letting them in. Jay Nixon seems to be an ISIS supporter. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I just saw Speaker Of The House Paul Ryan has called for a "Pause" in bringing refugee's in, not allow any in untill they have a thorough vetting process in place. Not sure how they are going to accomplish a thorough vetting process, but at least it will hault the influx for a while. Also, am I the only one ?that thinks it odd that we keep seeing all the video's and pictures of ISIS convoys which are not small,and yet we seem to not have the technology to spot these convoys and blow them up? It's not like there is alot of cover there. We also seem to have about every police dept in the states who have under cover officers to infiltrate crime rings and bring them down. Appearantly ISIS has quite the recruiting campaign, so why cant we send some to under cover infiltrat to locate their "training camps" and bomb those while we are at it? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | ThreeCorners - 2015-11-17 2:06 PM
I just saw Speaker Of The House Paul Ryan has called for a "Pause" in bringing refugee's in, not allow any in untill they have a thorough vetting process in place. Not sure how they are going to accomplish a thorough vetting process, but at least it will hault the influx for a while. Also, am I the only one ?that thinks it odd that we keep seeing all the video's and pictures of ISIS convoys which are not small,and yet we seem to not have the technology to spot these convoys and blow them up? It's not like there is alot of cover there. We also seem to have about every police dept in the states who have under cover officers to infiltrate crime rings and bring them down. Appearantly ISIS has quite the recruiting campaign, so why cant we send some to under cover infiltrat to locate their "training camps" and bomb those while we are at it?
I think it's time to set back and watch the show. We're hindered by qualms about killing the wrong people in our attacks. Now they have attacked France and threatened Russia. Neither of those places have qualms like we do. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This whole notion of taking in refugees shouldn't even be debated, in my opinion. I don't care if it's 10,000 or 100,000. Even if we had a good way of vetting these people, we should succumb to this "feel good" symbolic gesture of taking refugees. For one thing, we are nearly bankrupt. For another, even 100,000 is a drop in the bucket. Syria and Iraq has a combined population of about 60 million. Where do you draw the line? They need to be in safe refugee camps close to home. The UN can provide shelter, food, water, and medical care. We can pay our fair share. Meanwhile, if we had a president with balls, we could strike while the iron is hot and the world is rallying around France. He could put together a REAL coalition and blow ISIS away, just like Bush 41 did 25 years ago. Several Arab countries would sign on, I bet. |
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Most Liberal women are pro - rights and want to be treated as a equal .Thats a Huge reason they are so liberal...
but they are welcoming groups that hate women.. or have no respect for them.. it doesnt make sense to me. |
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