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| My 4 year old off the track is now pretty much a finished horse and is really running and turning hard....... He is starting to simply turn so hard he is twisting out of his front shoes EVERY single run! He has thin walls and that is a problem. He has grown so much wall over the last year but I can't keep resetting and tacking on front shoes after EVERY single run! Any ideas? Duct tape? My farrier says glue ons won't help. I need some ideas. Thanks! |
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| I've seen Farriers' Formula work miracles. It helps grow a much healthier, thicker hoof wall and sole. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Shoes that have the clips  |
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| Why is he turning on his front end?
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| My mare now retired would shift her rear shoes. But i say clips will help. So,e farriers will leave feet a little long so if they lost a shoe they would have something to nail to. Maybe try a new farrier. Or get advise from another farrier.have you tried natural balance.
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-15 4:47 PM Shoes that have the clips
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| arion - 2015-11-15 3:21 PM
Why is he turning on his front end?
He actually has this really awesome style where he runs hard, really sets in the hind end, and just plants the front end and comes right around. It feels awesome but when he plants and turns. Boy howdy. Lol |
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| lonely va barrelxr - 2015-11-15 4:42 PM
no shoes
GOSH I WOULD love no shoes!!!!! And Instead of taking him back to my regular Shoer to have it fixed I am taking him to a different guy tomorrow that comes highly recommended. The shoes he has now are called triumph elites. He used a 5 slim blade nail. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | My brown gelding is like this, he uses his hindend, but seems like he grabs with his front feet coming around the barrels. |
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Location: Florida.. | Clips are all good until one gets ripped off.. then alot of damage happens.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I wonder if hot shoeing would help your horse? I cant remember the right words for hot shoeing, but its were the shoe is burn into the foot a bit, it helps to seal the shoe on. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Shoes with clips would help. Alfalfa will help too for the hooves. I have had shoes with clips pulled off and never any damage to the hoof.
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-11-15 6:56 PM
lonely va barrelxr - 2015-11-15 4:42 PM
no shoes
GOSH I WOULD love no shoes!!!!! And Instead of taking him back to my regular Shoer to have it fixed I am taking him to a different guy tomorrow that comes highly recommended. The shoes he has now are called triumph elites. He used a 5 slim blade nail.
If the horse is twisting the nails, you may need to go to a bigger nail.
If the shoes don't allow the bigger nail, you may need to drill the holes larger in the shoe |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-11-15 6:56 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-11-15 4:42 PM no shoes GOSH I WOULD love no shoes!!!!! And Instead of taking him back to my regular Shoer to have it fixed I am taking him to a different guy tomorrow that comes highly recommended. The shoes he has now are called triumph elites. He used a 5 slim blade nail.
My big, hard running mare Xena surprised me to no end with how well she adjusted to barefoot. I thought for sure that with how she winged and used her fronts she would not do well, for some reason. I have watched her videos since going barefoot and she actually uses her fronts much more normal without the shoes. Her flares from uneven use are half since she's been barefoot. And I had less issues with her on the pattern overall than while she was shod.
My stallion Zan with his club foot - he's always used that foot a bit oddly also. Part of what got me to the point of enough frustration to try barefoot was his last farrier telling me that he had to shoe that foot WRONG in order to keep shoes on more than one show weekend. I swear at one point his hoof was solid nail holes. I decided to go one winter without shoes and just trim. During that winter I located my current farrier, who does nothing but balanced trimming. ALL my guys are now shoeless, and their hooves have never been better.
It can take some time for a bad hoof to come around to good. One of mine took nearly 2 years, but her's were a special case of bad, having made it to 6 years of age without any foot care (she came to me at age 6). I've seen draft shoes, and she was up there at the #5 range, but it was all flare. One trim doesn't change everything. |
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| Thanks for all the suggestions! I wrote them down! I will share with the Shoer tomorrow. When I got this horse off the track a year ago he was extremely thin soled and walled. He is so much better but I fear with no shoes he will absolutely be crippled. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-15 4:47 PM
Shoes that have the clips
YES!! Clips!!! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bibliafarm - 2015-11-15 7:00 PM
Clips are all good until one gets ripped off.. then alot of damage happens..
There are two ways to do clips. Right and wrong. Right= have the clips in the correct position when you nail the shoe on.
Wrong= nail the shoe on and hammer the clips up against the wall. |
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Location: My perfect world bubble | You shoer should know what to do or have recommendations on what to do based on your horses feet & how he moves. If not - you may need a new shoer!!! |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Why does your farrier not think glue ons will help? I have had very good luck with the Flexx Sport shoes glued on, not a fan of aluminum glue ons long term as they will lock the heels and not allow the foot to expand on impact. The Flexx Sport are awesome, they will stay on 6-8 weeks in the swampy ground I live on when applied properly. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Barnmom - 2015-11-15 10:57 PM
Why does your farrier not think glue ons will help? I have had very good luck with the Flexx Sport shoes glued on, not a fan of aluminum glue ons long term as they will lock the heels and not allow the foot to expand on impact. The Flexx Sport are awesome, they will stay on 6-8 weeks in the swampy ground I live on when applied properly.
Wow! Now I wanna try 'em. This is the first time I have heard of them, tho. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | Try switching to steel st croix plain lites w/clips. Don't remember exactly what the triumphs look like but most aluminum shoes have grip to them. You need something slick to move with him when he turns.
Edited to add: I feel silly triumph wedges are what I use on my mare. We use a 5 race nail. I don't think they are punched for a slim blade and that's probably your issues. The nail heads aren't sitting down low enough and therefore catch when he turns. Try the race nail or a slicker shoe. I've never had any issues with a plain shoe or a rim, but I run in the Midwest.
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| Barnmom - 2015-11-15 8:57 PM
Why does your farrier not think glue ons will help? I have had very good luck with the Flexx Sport shoes glued on, not a fan of aluminum glue ons long term as they will lock the heels and not allow the foot to expand on impact. The Flexx Sport are awesome, they will stay on 6-8 weeks in the swampy ground I live on when applied properly.
I think he was referring to the aluminum glue on ones just like you mentioned! I wrote down the ones you mentioned to research. Might be a great option! |
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Location: Florida.. | TheDutchMan01 - 2015-11-16 9:18 AM Try switching to steel st croix plain lites w/clips. Don't remember exactly what the triumphs look like but most aluminum shoes have grip to them. You need something slick to move with him when he turns. Edited to add: I feel silly triumph wedges are what I use on my mare. We use a 5 race nail. I don't think they are punched for a slim blade and that's probably your issues. The nail heads aren't sitting down low enough and therefore catch when he turns. Try the race nail or a slicker shoe. I've never had any issues with a plain shoe or a rim, but I run in the Midwest.
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Location: The Great Northwest | komet. - 2015-11-16 5:29 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-15 7:00 PM Clips are all good until one gets ripped off.. then alot of damage happens.. There are two ways to do clips. Right and wrong. Right= have the clips in the correct position when you nail the shoe on. Wrong= nail the shoe on and hammer the clips up against the wall.
Hmm! I believe from experience this to be the opposite. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-16 8:24 AM
What type of shoe are you running your horse in now?
Triumph elite. Steel shoe |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-11-16 10:35 AM Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-16 8:24 AM What type of shoe are you running your horse in now? Triumph elite. Steel shoe
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| Quite possibly!!! We squared off his toe on the hind feet a little more last week and kind of rounded the back of his front shoes.. Going to a different performance farrier today and see what he thinks.. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-11-16 12:27 PM
Quite possibly!!! We squared off his toe on the hind feet a little more last week and kind of rounded the back of his front shoes.. Going to a different performance farrier today and see what he thinks..
If he is pulling them off, then he isn't balanced.
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| Well, went to have the shoe fixed and ended up getting my horse completely reshod and balanced better. This guy shoes for some of the top 15 barrel racers in the world. Extremely reasonable at 110 for a full set. Not to mention he lives 15 minutes from my house! Can't wait to see results! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-11-16 8:16 PM Well, went to have the shoe fixed and ended up getting my horse completely reshod and balanced better. This guy shoes for some of the top 15 barrel racers in the world. Extremely reasonable at 110 for a full set. Not to mention he lives 15 minutes from my house! Can't wait to see results!
Awesome, you have better let us know how this works out for you and your boy... And I agree 110 is very reasonable. And he lives close now thats a aonther plus for ya |
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| Might go to a race Saturday. It's amazing how big a difference a second opinion can make. I have used my same farrier for over 20 years. I guess a change is good. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-11-16 12:27 PM
Quite possibly!!! We squared off his toe on the hind feet a little more last week and kind of rounded the back of his front shoes.. Going to a different performance farrier today and see what he thinks..
Number one rule for shoeing in the barrel racing world. You don't square off the toe on the hind foot to keep from over reaching. That is something from the 1950's. A little out of date. |
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Need to find a front shoes solution FAST!