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| Ok so one of my horses choked last week it was the scariest thing ever. I have never had this happen to one of my horses. Anyways we got him to vet everything has turned out ok. Only thing is I cant get him to eat any grain at all. He will look at it pick at it just a little then just leave it......... He will eat hay & grass. This is just very strange to me. I have a call into the vet but just wondering if anyone has had this happen. |
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Location: lost in missouri | Has he tried to eat any grain since the incident? Most vets around here tell people to wait about a week or 2 before giving them grain again after they have been tubed as the grain can irritate and cause pain. I wonder if he tried some and found the discomfort and is now thinking forget that, it hurt. Can u get him interested in a beet pulp, hay cube, pellet feed mush? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Shortbus - 2015-11-19 9:48 AM Ok so one of my horses choked last week it was the scariest thing ever. I have never had this happen to one of my horses. Anyways we got him to vet everything has turned out ok. Only thing is I cant get him to eat any grain at all. He will look at it pick at it just a little then just leave it......... He will eat hay & grass. This is just very strange to me. I have a call into the vet but just wondering if anyone has had this happen.
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Location: Florida.. | he probrably has scar tissue.. wet your grain or make a wet soupy mush with beet pulp.. for a week or two.. Id also be watching for any signs of Aspiration into his lungs. and once they choke there is a higher incident of choke again so wet grain always |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Bibliafarm - 2015-11-19 10:58 AM he probrably has scar tissue.. wet your grain or make a wet soupy mush with beet pulp.. for a week or two.. Id also be watching for any signs of Aspiration into his lungs. and once they choke there is a higher incident of choke again so wet grain always
Great advice - we had one choke also - he ate his grain very fast. Since then he gets wet pellets and cubes that are more of a mush/soup consistnecy. Its been 4 years and he hasn't chocked again. |
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| She told me no feed for 24 hours then I could slowly add feed like starting off with a hand full of grain and introduce it back slowly. She did say to wet it but he wont touch it wet and then I worry about it getting moldy and then him eating it. He was getting goats and alfalfa pellets when it happened. I tried to feed it to him out of my hand and he just looks at me like Im crazy. Will take like one pellet eat it then just wont eat anymore. |
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| It probably hurts. Soaked pellets & beet pulp... unless you're leaving it sitting for days, there should be no worry of molding? |
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Location: Florida.. | You in my opinion should get a Equine Sr grain (its more textured and soft ) and beet pulp and add water .. soak a few minutes and feed.. .. it will be fine and at dinner time if its not gone then remove it..but start small amounts.. his throat has scar tissue either from the choke or the tube.. its painful to eat.. also wihtin a week or two.. watch them for signs of aspiration. (cough, lethargic, wheezy at times possibly fever ) antibiotics wil be needed .. |
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Location: Texas | him eating hay makes me nervous, usually when horses choke they don't want you feeding a bunch of roughage again. he should be eating a slurry. maybe find a feed that is really palatable and sweet and get it into a mash. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | casualdust07 - 2015-11-19 10:52 AM him eating hay makes me nervous, usually when horses choke they don't want you feeding a bunch of roughage again. he should be eating a slurry. maybe find a feed that is really palatable and sweet and get it into a mash.
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-11-19 10:48 AM
You in my opinion should get a Equine Sr grain (its more textured and soft ) and beet pulp and add water .. soak a few minutes and feed.. .. it will be fine and at dinner time if its not gone then remove it..but start small amounts.. his throat has scar tissue either from the choke or the tube.. its painful to eat.. also wihtin a week or two.. watch them for signs of aspiration. (cough, lethargic, wheezy at times possibly fever ) antibiotics wil be needed ..
I was thinking about a senior feed also. How much beet pulp would I need to add do you think? He is on antibiotics now I think he has 2 more days of them. He has been on antibiotics since this happened It has been A week and 3 days since he choked.
He definatly isn't scarfing the hay down you can tell he is eating slower and smaller amounts. I took him out yesterday and he ate grass with no problem but if his throat is hurting I can see where hay may be uncomfortable to eat also. |
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| Shortbus - 2015-11-19 10:59 AM
Bibliafarm - 2015-11-19 10:48 AM
You in my opinion should get a Equine Sr grain (its more textured and soft ) and beet pulp and add water .. soak a few minutes and feed.. .. it will be fine and at dinner time if its not gone then remove it..but start small amounts.. his throat has scar tissue either from the choke or the tube.. its painful to eat.. also wihtin a week or two.. watch them for signs of aspiration. (cough, lethargic, wheezy at times possibly fever ) antibiotics wil be needed ..
I was thinking about a senior feed also. How much beet pulp would I need to add do you think? He is on antibiotics now I think he has 2 more days of them. He has been on antibiotics since this happened It has been A week and 3 days since he choked.
He definatly isn't scarfing the hay down you can tell he is eating slower and smaller amounts. I took him out yesterday and he ate grass with no problem but if his throat is hurting I can see where hay may be uncomfortable to eat also.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Shortbus - 2015-11-19 10:59 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-19 10:48 AM You in my opinion should get a Equine Sr grain (its more textured and soft ) and beet pulp and add water .. soak a few minutes and feed.. .. it will be fine and at dinner time if its not gone then remove it..but start small amounts.. his throat has scar tissue either from the choke or the tube.. its painful to eat.. also wihtin a week or two.. watch them for signs of aspiration. (cough, lethargic, wheezy at times possibly fever ) antibiotics wil be needed .. I was thinking about a senior feed also. How much beet pulp would I need to add do you think? He is on antibiotics now I think he has 2 more days of them. He has been on antibiotics since this happened It has been A week and 3 days since he choked. He definatly isn't scarfing the hay down you can tell he is eating slower and smaller amounts. I took him out yesterday and he ate grass with no problem but if his throat is hurting I can see where hay may be uncomfortable to eat also.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-19 11:01 AM
Shortbus - 2015-11-19 10:59 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-19 10:48 AM You in my opinion should get a Equine Sr grain (its more textured and soft ) and beet pulp and add water .. soak a few minutes and feed.. .. it will be fine and at dinner time if its not gone then remove it..but start small amounts.. his throat has scar tissue either from the choke or the tube.. its painful to eat.. also wihtin a week or two.. watch them for signs of aspiration. (cough, lethargic, wheezy at times possibly fever ) antibiotics wil be needed .. I was thinking about a senior feed also. How much beet pulp would I need to add do you think? He is on antibiotics now I think he has 2 more days of them. He has been on antibiotics since this happened It has been A week and 3 days since he choked. He definatly isn't scarfing the hay down you can tell he is eating slower and smaller amounts. I took him out yesterday and he ate grass with no problem but if his throat is hurting I can see where hay may be uncomfortable to eat also.
Yes she did. Said after 24 hours he could have half a flake then slowly up the amount until back to normal. |
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Location: Florida.. | we fed alfalfa hay and pasture with no problem..
Id add about a quart of soaked beet pulp to the grain and add water to a mush.. he should LOVE the sr grain.. its very tasty.. you can add more after he adjusts.. shreds are quicker to soak I prefer them over pellets , if you get pellets you need to add more water.. it turns to a thick mush which I dont like it to thick.. shreds are more spongy and watery..also with winter here soaked beet pulp gets more fluid in their gut..glad hes on antibiotics as a precaution..
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Shortbus - 2015-11-19 11:07 AM Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-19 11:01 AM Shortbus - 2015-11-19 10:59 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-19 10:48 AM You in my opinion should get a Equine Sr grain (its more textured and soft ) and beet pulp and add water .. soak a few minutes and feed.. .. it will be fine and at dinner time if its not gone then remove it..but start small amounts.. his throat has scar tissue either from the choke or the tube.. its painful to eat.. also wihtin a week or two.. watch them for signs of aspiration. (cough, lethargic, wheezy at times possibly fever ) antibiotics wil be needed .. I was thinking about a senior feed also. How much beet pulp would I need to add do you think? He is on antibiotics now I think he has 2 more days of them. He has been on antibiotics since this happened It has been A week and 3 days since he choked. He definatly isn't scarfing the hay down you can tell he is eating slower and smaller amounts. I took him out yesterday and he ate grass with no problem but if his throat is hurting I can see where hay may be uncomfortable to eat also. Yes she did. Said after 24 hours he could have half a flake then slowly up the amount until back to normal.
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-11-19 11:08 AM
we fed alfalfa hay and pasture with no problem..
Id add about a quart of soaked beet pulp to the grain and add water to a mush.. he should LOVE the sr grain.. its very tasty.. you can add more after he adjusts.. shreds are quicker to soak I prefer them over pellets , if you get pellets you need to add more water.. it turns to a thick mush which I dont like it to thick.. shreds are more spongy and watery..also with winter here soaked beet pulp gets more fluid in their gut..glad hes on antibiotics as a precaution..
Ok I will try that. On Senior feed Im looking at the TSC website they have Purina Equine Senior, Nutrena Safe Choice, and Dumor Senior horse feed. Never tried any of these so which one would you recommend or be better over the other? |
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Location: North Dakota | I have a younger horse that choked early this summer and he will still have some issue from time to time-nothing he can't figure out so far.....wondering if I should be adding water to his feed-he gets oats and ground flax-he just simply eats too fast-maybe I need to put something in his bucket to slow him down? Like a smooth rock?? Sorry to jump in here OP I hope your horse gets to feeling better soon. |
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Location: West Texas | Shortbus - 2015-11-19 12:03 PM
Bibliafarm - 2015-11-19 11:08 AM
we fed alfalfa hay and pasture with no problem..
Id add about a quart of soaked beet pulp to the grain and add water to a mush.. he should LOVE the sr grain.. its very tasty.. you can add more after he adjusts.. shreds are quicker to soak I prefer them over pellets , if you get pellets you need to add more water.. it turns to a thick mush which I dont like it to thick.. shreds are more spongy and watery..also with winter here soaked beet pulp gets more fluid in their gut..glad hes on antibiotics as a precaution..
Ok I will try that. On Senior feed Im looking at the TSC website they have Purina Equine Senior, Nutrena Safe Choice, and Dumor Senior horse feed. Never tried any of these so which one would you recommend or be better over the other?
When we have to use a senior complete pellet, we use Equine Senior. |
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| The last and 4th time my horse choked was on purina active sr. No idea how he pulled that one off. Since then I've just switched to whole oats and renew gold and a vitamin/mineral supplement added in. So far so good. Choke is very scary and a very helpless feeling. With the cold coming I'll probably add in soaked beet pulp or the sr again but I will for sure be soaking it. |
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Location: Florida.. | is that textured ( a soft pellet ) or pelleted ? .. Id definately soak add water no matter what you use.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If I were you I would look into the BlueBonnet feeds, they have a nice Senior feed called Intensify Senior Therapy..  |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-11-19 3:28 PM
is that textured ( a soft pellet ) or pelleted ? .. Id definately soak add water no matter what you use..
The active sr was kinda weird.. it was dry, very much beet pulp based. Wouldn't say it was textured more of a pellet mixed with beet shreds.. . I only went through a few bags because it was too dry in my opinion for being a sr feed. Probably good reason why he choked on it.. if I decide to go back to a sr this winter I'll go with the regular purina sr or if I can get the feed store that carries blue bonnet to get the senior in for me I'll go that route.
Well I just looked up the blue bonnet sr therapy and I'm gonna have to pass on it.. it contains peanut hulls. I'm am absolutely deathly allergic to anything peanut related.. even touching anything with peanut traces in it sends me running for the epi pen. Darn.. I like blue bonnet too.
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Location: Florida.. | maybe the reg sr would work better i love the texture of it.. and add water if you can..but its much softer.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2015-11-19 3:46 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-19 3:28 PM is that textured ( a soft pellet ) or pelleted ? .. Id definately soak add water no matter what you use.. The active sr was kinda weird.. it was dry, very much beet pulp based. Wouldn't say it was textured more of a pellet mixed with beet shreds.. . I only went through a few bags because it was too dry in my opinion for being a sr feed. Probably good reason why he choked on it.. if I decide to go back to a sr this winter I'll go with the regular purina sr or if I can get the feed store that carries blue bonnet to get the senior in for me I'll go that route. Well I just looked up the blue bonnet sr therapy and I'm gonna have to pass on it.. it contains peanut hulls. I'm am absolutely deathly allergic to anything peanut related.. even touching anything with peanut traces in it sends me running for the epi pen. Darn.. I like blue bonnet too.
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Location: Texas | canchaserdreams - 2015-11-19 3:08 PM
My gelding is a chronic choker. Multiple tubings caused a lot of scar tissue and the last time he choked, the vet worked on him for 4+ hours - my poor boy was in shock and vet said the clog was way down deep. He recovered, but forever has to eat his hay out of a *very* small hole hay net ( a slow feeder ) and he gets soupy alf cubes each day to mix his supplements. Hasn't had a choke since using the slow feeder :)
Well, just the fact that he choked at all causes scarring. It damages the esophagus and every time the esophagus gets a choke stuck in it, when it heals it heals smaller than original. Aggressive tubing can definitely scratch up the lumen of the esophagus and damage it worse. |
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| Gave him the purina equine senior tonight and soaked it he ate all of it although he is not getting very much about 1/4 scoop. After eating I turned him out with my other two and he just goes off and stands by himself acts like he is depressed..... |
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Location: Florida.. | Glad he ate it.. The antibiotics can make them feel a bit lethargic and possibly even not hungry.. as long as hes drinking and not running a fever or coughing Id just keep eye on him.. or call to assure yourself and let vet know..my mare had choke.. I hung on her neck so her head was down and gave banamine iv to relax her muscles..
she ended up aspirating and got Pneunomia and was in UF on and off for 4 months.. I lost her at the end. It can be quite serious.. Id soak the food.. all food..
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| Shortbus - 2015-11-19 7:05 PM
Gave him the purina equine senior tonight and soaked it he ate all of it although he is not getting very much about 1/4 scoop. After eating I turned him out with my other two and he just goes off and stands by himself acts like he is depressed.....
Poor guy.. I've been through it with my gelding... when he had to be tubed for his choke he had a cough for several weeks. He wasn't the same horse. Hopefully he will be ok soon. |
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| LMS - 2015-11-19 12:17 PM
I have a younger horse that choked early this summer and he will still have some issue from time to time-nothing he can't figure out so far.....wondering if I should be adding water to his feed-he gets oats and ground flax-he just simply eats too fast-maybe I need to put something in his bucket to slow him down? Like a smooth rock?? Sorry to jump in here OP I hope your horse gets to feeling better soon.
Yes, put as couple of large smooth rocks in the feed tub. It will slow the greedy eater down. River rock works well-smooth, rounded edges. |
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Location: Texas | I managed a terrible choker for almost 3 years. She couldn't eat anything dry, not even pasture or hay and if her mash was not perfect she would choke.Nutrena Senior is the best for making a mash. It's very soft, and liquifies in hot water in minutes. I personally fed small alfalfa pellets soaked in hot water. Standlee pellets are not good for soaking. I used local made pellets, and made sure they were the small ones so they soaked faster. I let them soak overnight for safety of my mare. She ate in a large metal trough. I dumped the mash in and added more water. I kept large rocks or bricks in the bin to slow her down. |
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Location: Arkansas | Bibliafarm - 2015-11-19 11:08 AM
we fed alfalfa hay and pasture with no problem..
Id add about a quart of soaked beet pulp to the grain and add water to a mush.. he should LOVE the sr grain.. its very tasty.. you can add more after he adjusts.. shreds are quicker to soak I prefer them over pellets , if you get pellets you need to add more water.. it turns to a thick mush which I dont like it to thick.. shreds are more spongy and watery..also with winter here soaked beet pulp gets more fluid in their gut..glad hes on antibiotics as a precaution..
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | casualdust07 - 2015-11-19 10:52 AM him eating hay makes me nervous, usually when horses choke they don't want you feeding a bunch of roughage again. he should be eating a slurry. maybe find a feed that is really palatable and sweet and get it into a mash.
This. My horse choked a couple of months ago due to scar tissue (from an old kick wound) swelling from a severe allergic reaction combined with gobbling alfalfa pellets. He got nothing but a well soaked slurry of cubes for 2 days, then soaked cubes and green grass for a week. Just to be safe, I now make a soup out of his alfalfa pellets and sprinkle the rice bran on top. And the vet gave me an emergency drug stash in case he has another allergic reaction. I think he got stung by something.
This was my first choke and it scared the ever loving crap out of me. And it turns out we were lucky because it was lower in his esophagus and I caught it immediately, so he didn't regurgitate or aspirate. |
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| Shortbus - 2015-11-19 7:05 PM
Gave him the purina equine senior tonight and soaked it he ate all of it although he is not getting very much about 1/4 scoop. After eating I turned him out with my other two and he just goes off and stands by himself acts like he is depressed.....
Could you do me a favor and look at the ingredients on your sr feed? I've been trying to see it online for purina but haven't had much luck. I saw one from 2005 and it did list peanut hulls too. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Stride - 2015-11-19 10:56 PM I managed a terrible choker for almost 3 years. She couldn't eat anything dry, not even pasture or hay and if her mash was not perfect she would choke.Nutrena Senior is the best for making a mash. It's very soft, and liquifies in hot water in minutes. I personally fed small alfalfa pellets soaked in hot water. Standlee pellets are not good for soaking. I used local made pellets, and made sure they were the small ones so they soaked faster. I let them soak overnight for safety of my mare. She ate in a large metal trough. I dumped the mash in and added more water. I kept large rocks or bricks in the bin to slow her down.
I second the Nutrena Senior - I had much better results with it than Purina. I also agree with the soaking and then adding extra water to the feed onec it is in the trough. Using hot water works wonders in the cold weather. I haul hot water to the barn to soak the Nutrena and alfalfa and oat cubes. By using hot water it has turned to mush by the time I clean stalls, put out hay and check water. I also use my bare hands to marsh through the food to make sure there are not large pieces of cubes that are still hard. |
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Location: Missouri | want2chase3 - 2015-11-19 3:23 PM The last and 4th time my horse choked was on purina active sr. No idea how he pulled that one off. Since then I've just switched to whole oats and renew gold and a vitamin/mineral supplement added in. So far so good. Choke is very scary and a very helpless feeling. With the cold coming I'll probably add in soaked beet pulp or the sr again but I will for sure be soaking it.
I know vets will recommend whole oats, but that was the worst choke for my chronic choker! The vet was shocked that she could choke on them (even wet, which doesn't really help.) The pelleted feeds will break down with the flushing, but an oat bolus, not so much. It was a long painful process to have that one cleared...
My current feed is soaked cheap-y senior pellets from MFA, which is not a complete feed (so that I don't have to feed as much volume.) My mare is 32+, so I also give her lots of soaked alfalfa pellets. She also gets supplements to help maintain her weight. No chokes on this, so far.
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| want2chase3 - 2015-11-20 7:58 AM
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Gave him the purina equine senior tonight and soaked it he ate all of it although he is not getting very much about 1/4 scoop. After eating I turned him out with my other two and he just goes off and stands by himself acts like he is depressed.....
Could you do me a favor and look at the ingredients on your sr feed? I've been trying to see it online for purina but haven't had much luck. I saw one from 2005 and it did list peanut hulls too.
I don't see peanut hulls in it. There is soybean hulls. |
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| Purina equine senior is great ! I have a 19 yo mare that chokes on just a couple handfuls of pelleted feed .. I soak the Sr. & add about 1 qt or 2 of beet pulp shreds & she hadn't choked at all with it soaked. She came to me very underweight & within 30 days she looked like a different horse on just grass hay , 12 lbs of purina senior & 3 qts if beet pulp a day . It's good stuff ! |
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| Shortbus - 2015-11-20 3:49 PM
want2chase3 - 2015-11-20 7:58 AM
Shortbus - 2015-11-19 7:05 PM
Gave him the purina equine senior tonight and soaked it he ate all of it although he is not getting very much about 1/4 scoop. After eating I turned him out with my other two and he just goes off and stands by himself acts like he is depressed.....
Could you do me a favor and look at the ingredients on your sr feed? I've been trying to see it online for purina but haven't had much luck. I saw one from 2005 and it did list peanut hulls too.
I don't see peanut hulls in it. There is soybean hulls.
I stopped at tsc to get some chicken feed and looked at the purina sr ... no peanut hulls! I purchased a bag. I like the fact how quick it softens up with warm water. My horses ate it up without a problem.
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Location: WI | I have a mare that chokes frequently. she suffers from allergies. She is Purina Ultium and Purina Performance mixed along with 1 cup ground flax. I mix it with water, feed all the other horses and then add more water to make it a slurry. No problems when I do that. I have had her choke on soaked beet pulp so will not feed that anymore to her. She is not a fast eater either. Vet scoped her in the past and airway looks good but I suspect there is irritation more a times than others due to allergies. |
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