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| We have our cattle on Purina mineral and I email them a question about that. I casually mentioned our horses are sometimes in the pasture with the cattle and that mineral. I'm so impressed they picked that out of my email right away and this is the response:
Thank you for your question. Thank you for choosing Purina products. The issue with any cattle product, whether it is feed or molasses tubs, is that these products are manufactured in the same facility as products with medications, such as Bovatec, that are harmful and even fatal for horses. Even if a product itself contains no ingredients that are toxic to horses, there is always the risk of possible contamination from a previous product that went through the plant that does contain these ingredients. If a medicated cattle product goes through a line and then is followed by a non-medicated product, there is a risk of some of the medicated product hanging up in the equipment somewhere and ending up in a subsequent product as it comes through the same line. Or there is the risk of an error in manufacturing where a medication is put in a batch of feed accidentally.
That is why Purina doesn't make any horse product in the same facility where a medicated cattle feed is manufactured, we just don't want any risk at all of possible contamination or error that could be harmful to horses. Any time a product is used off-label, meaning feeding horses a product labeled for cattle, the owner assumes any risk. I know it is difficult when horses and cattle are kept in the same pastures, but I just don't ever recommend exposing horses to cattle products due to this potential risk.
I am sending this to our nutritionist to answer the other half of your question. |
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Location: Florida.. | Purina is on it.. thats awesome they answered straightforward and No Nonsense.. yay for Purina..  |
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| Purina isn't on it because by their own admission, they have 4 plants that do manufacture medicated cattle and horse feed. While the are segregated, they can do both but don't. I don't know about you, but to me this is not "safe".
If you go to the Facebook page Is Your Horse Feed Safe? and find the Safe List, look in the comments. There you will find the Purina information, given by Purina, that made them not necessarily "safe".
I was feeding Omalene 200. I had two horses that weren't looking very good. I finally got fed up and started mixing my own feed by buying bags of oats, barley, timothy hay pellets and beet pulp shreds from known "safe" companies. I didn't change the amount of grain I was feeding, just the type. After 3 weeks I am having to cut ever ones amount in half because they are getting too fat. |
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| I can't edit on FB from my phone otherwise I would have removed it. On other lists I've done, I haven't put Purina on because of what they said. |
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Location: Florida.. | It was my understanding they use seperate facilities or buildings ? is this incorrect? and is this in all areas? I personally dont like the Omalene Line.. at all..to me its not a good product.. but thats my opinion.... the others the SR JR and Ultuim line have had good success with..
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-11-21 8:02 AM
It was my understanding they use seperate facilities or buildings ? is this incorrect? and is this in all areas? I personally dont like the Omalene Line.. at all..to me its not a good product.. but thats my opinion.... the others the SR JR and Ultuim line have had good success with..
From the reply they sent, it is the lines that are segregated, not the building. But they could use the same lines if they wanted to was what it also said. Nothing was said about the mixer though. So who knows if the same mixer is used and just the lines are different? I can't copy and paste from FB on my phone either. Otherwise I'd share that screenshot. I might be at a real computer next week. If so, I'll do it then. But reading that screenshot made me very leery. Much like when Nutrena told me they didn't use ionophores in their bagged feed, only bulk. Again it goes back to the possibility of a shared mixer where you could still get trace amounts. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Maybe they tweaked that due to all the issues and customers questioning. |
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Location: Florida.. | SKM - 2015-11-21 10:16 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-11-21 8:02 AM It was my understanding they use seperate facilities or buildings ? is this incorrect? and is this in all areas? I personally dont like the Omalene Line.. at all..to me its not a good product.. but thats my opinion.... the others the SR JR and Ultuim line have had good success with.. From the reply they sent, it is the lines that are segregated, not the building. But they could use the same lines if they wanted to was what it also said. Nothing was said about the mixer though. So who knows if the same mixer is used and just the lines are different? I can't copy and paste from FB on my phone either. Otherwise I'd share that screenshot. I might be at a real computer next week. If so, I'll do it then. But reading that screenshot made me very leery. Much like when Nutrena told me they didn't use ionophores in their bagged feed, only bulk. Again it goes back to the possibility of a shared mixer where you could still get trace amounts.
OK thank you alot.. |
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| SKM - 2015-11-21 6:57 AM
Purina isn't on it because by their own admission, they have 4 plants that do manufacture medicated cattle and horse feed. While the are segregated, they can do both but don't. I don't know about you, but to me this is not "safe".
If you go to the Facebook page Is Your Horse Feed Safe? and find the Safe List, look in the comments. There you will find the Purina information, given by Purina, that made them not necessarily "safe".
I was feeding Omalene 200. I had two horses that weren't looking very good. I finally got fed up and started mixing my own feed by buying bags of oats, barley, timothy hay pellets and beet pulp shreds from known "safe" companies. I didn't change the amount of grain I was feeding, just the type. After 3 weeks I am having to cut ever ones amount in half because they are getting too fat.
Omelene 200 is 40 % sugar! I would not expect a horse to look good on it! All processed feeds are not good for horses. Some are just worse than others. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I think Omelene 200 is about the worse feed to be feeding, it made my horses hot when I tryed it out years ago. Used it for about 3 months and stoped. |
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| In the reply they sent me as I pasted above I quote
That is why Purina doesn't make any horse product in the same facility where a medicated cattle feed is manufactured, we just don't want any risk at all of possible contamination or error that could be harmful to horses.
We have our horses on whole oats and flax, but I am currently using Purina Cattle products for our cows. I am now considering their mineral for our horses, because of this email response. I realized the horse mineral I'm using is from a mill that mills medicated cattle feed in it. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-11-21 8:33 AM
SKM - 2015-11-21 6:57 AM
Purina isn't on it because by their own admission, they have 4 plants that do manufacture medicated cattle and horse feed. While the are segregated, they can do both but don't. I don't know about you, but to me this is not "safe".
If you go to the Facebook page Is Your Horse Feed Safe? and find the Safe List, look in the comments. There you will find the Purina information, given by Purina, that made them not necessarily "safe".
I was feeding Omalene 200. I had two horses that weren't looking very good. I finally got fed up and started mixing my own feed by buying bags of oats, barley, timothy hay pellets and beet pulp shreds from known "safe" companies. I didn't change the amount of grain I was feeding, just the type. After 3 weeks I am having to cut ever ones amount in half because they are getting too fat.
Omelene 200 is 40 % sugar! I would not expect a horse to look good on it! All processed feeds are not good for horses. Some are just worse than others.
Well sometimes when your choices are extremely limited...you feed what you believe is the best of your options at that given time until you figure out something isn't right so you start doing countless hours of research to fix it. But thanks for the snarky reply. It really made me feel better about the fact I've already beat myself up about the mistake I made. |
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| oranges - 2015-11-21 8:45 AM
In the reply they sent me as I pasted above I quote
That is why Purina doesn't make any horse product in the same facility where a medicated cattle feed is manufactured, we just don't want any risk at all of possible contamination or error that could be harmful to horses.
We have our horses on whole oats and flax, but I am currently using Purina Cattle products for our cows. I am now considering their mineral for our horses, because of this email response. I realized the horse mineral I'm using is from a mill that mills medicated cattle feed in it.
The reply I was referring to was given back in May, I think it was? Maybe they modified it recently so it didn't scare people off?
I would recommend calling Purina and putting them on the spot about the 4 plants with segregated lines. Ask them if the segregated lines run into the same mixer or if they use the same bagging lines for horse and cattle feed at those plants. If they say yes to either, they can still get trace amounts in horse feed. If any piece of the same equipment is used, there will be a risk. |
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| Ask if they use the same hammer mill, mixer and bagging lines on those segretated facilities. If it's a loose mineral, I'm assuming it goes through a hammer mill and into a mixer. Then the mixer usually dumps into a bagging line or a pellet mill depending on what they are making. |
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Location: Florida.. | SKM - 2015-11-21 10:46 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-11-21 8:33 AM SKM - 2015-11-21 6:57 AM Purina isn't on it because by their own admission, they have 4 plants that do manufacture medicated cattle and horse feed. While the are segregated, they can do both but don't. I don't know about you, but to me this is not "safe". If you go to the Facebook page Is Your Horse Feed Safe? and find the Safe List, look in the comments. There you will find the Purina information, given by Purina, that made them not necessarily "safe". I was feeding Omalene 200. I had two horses that weren't looking very good. I finally got fed up and started mixing my own feed by buying bags of oats, barley, timothy hay pellets and beet pulp shreds from known "safe" companies. I didn't change the amount of grain I was feeding, just the type. After 3 weeks I am having to cut ever ones amount in half because they are getting too fat. Omelene 200 is 40 % sugar! I would not expect a horse to look good on it! All processed feeds are not good for horses. Some are just worse than others. Well sometimes when your choices are extremely limited...you feed what you believe is the best of your options at that given time until you figure out something isn't right so you start doing countless hours of research to fix it. But thanks for the snarky reply. It really made me feel better about the fact I've already beat myself up about the mistake I made.
I wouldnt beat yourself up I used to feed it about 20 yrs ago.. and alot still do.. its just a sweet feed and I think they are like not good for them but like you said sometimes if its all we have then we do what we have to do and also until we research dont realize it. I stay away from any sweet feed in my programs. I think Ultuim is the closest I got and it made my horses bonkers..
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thanks for the info and II think we all should email and see if its been revised or whats the whole situation there. I trust them. I used to use Triple crown and ADM was my go to.. but have use the Purina sr for many years ..so we will see.. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | SKM - 2015-11-21 9:46 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-11-21 8:33 AM SKM - 2015-11-21 6:57 AM Purina isn't on it because by their own admission, they have 4 plants that do manufacture medicated cattle and horse feed. While the are segregated, they can do both but don't. I don't know about you, but to me this is not "safe". If you go to the Facebook page Is Your Horse Feed Safe? and find the Safe List, look in the comments. There you will find the Purina information, given by Purina, that made them not necessarily "safe". I was feeding Omalene 200. I had two horses that weren't looking very good. I finally got fed up and started mixing my own feed by buying bags of oats, barley, timothy hay pellets and beet pulp shreds from known "safe" companies. I didn't change the amount of grain I was feeding, just the type. After 3 weeks I am having to cut ever ones amount in half because they are getting too fat. Omelene 200 is 40 % sugar! I would not expect a horse to look good on it! All processed feeds are not good for horses. Some are just worse than others. Well sometimes when your choices are extremely limited...you feed what you believe is the best of your options at that given time until you figure out something isn't right so you start doing countless hours of research to fix it. But thanks for the snarky reply. It really made me feel better about the fact I've already beat myself up about the mistake I made.
I fed a co-op version of Omolene and then Omolene itself in the 90s to some danged nice horses. I never had issues with the sugar content until one particular horse. No need to beat yourself up. You recognized a problem and fixed it. |
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Location: Texas | One day I will visit the Fort Worth facility. But here is what I've been told:
That facility does manufacture medicated cattle feed, but in a separate mill, with separate lines. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Truly folks, unless you PERSONALLY visit each and every Purina Mill, you can choose to believe what they just wrote.....or choose not to........ |
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Location: Texas | NJJ - 2015-11-21 11:09 AM Truly folks, unless you PERSONALLY visit each and every Purina Mill, you can choose to believe what they just wrote.....or choose not to........
^^Truth. There is a mill in Okla (Red River) that makes zero medicated feed. Their formula is fixed and lists everything in the feed on the bag, not the tag, so it rarely changes. Because it is not a big name company with big overhead, their feed is cheaper than what I'm buying that Purina makes. I'm thinking I will be switching to this feed in the future, save a few $$ and know the ingredients exactly.
I know there are areas in the country where Purina might be the only choice, and I'd feel safe feeding that.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2015-11-21 11:09 AM Truly folks, unless you PERSONALLY visit each and every Purina Mill, you can choose to believe what they just wrote.....or choose not to........
Just what I was thinking  , They could be writing this stuff just to make people happy.  |
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Location: Texas | Well omelene sucks.. I've found Strategy Healthy Edge is pretty amazing! I mix it half and half with timothy pellets and it's been a great feed for me, I've even met with purina myself and have always thought they truly cared about my horses health. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | After 2 different incidences where Purina out and out lied...I'm done and will never buy or feed anything from them. What is great is we all have choices and everyone can make their own decisions. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I know that the Purina horse feed I get at my local feed store is bagged in KC where the cattle feed is mixed in Sioux City so yes I do feel safe. The mgr of my feed store is a friend of mine and has personally been to both locations so I know its the truth. I tried feeding Omolene a few years ago and my mare had major high's and lows. I now feed Ultium to my gelding and he's doing really well on it. |
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| I talked to Purina last week on the phone and asked about their horse feed and if milled at same place with cattle feed. The person said to get the number off bag and she would be able to tell me if so or not.
Talked to Nuetrena about this also. There is only one plant in Sterling, Colorado (I believe) that only does feed for horses.
I was wondering if anyone can tell me some names of a horse feed company that is low starch and sugar with high fat content made at ONLY a mill for horses. One that is safe from cross cattle feed.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | royaldimple - 2015-11-22 1:11 PM I talked to Purina last week on the phone and asked about their horse feed and if milled at same place with cattle feed. The person said to get the number off bag and she would be able to tell me if so or not. Talked to Nuetrena about this also. There is only one plant in Sterling, Colorado (I believe) that only does feed for horses. I was wondering if anyone can tell me some names of a horse feed company that is low starch and sugar with high fat content made at ONLY a mill for horses. One that is safe from cross cattle feed.
https://www.facebook.com/Ionophoretoxicity/?ref=br_rs
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| I don't know if I'm super blind, but I can't find a list on the Facebook page. I just see posts on the timeline and I didn't have time to try to read the whole timeline to see which ones are safe. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Renew Gold. Safe. Always! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | oranges - 2015-11-22 7:28 PM I don't know if I'm super blind, but I can't find a list on the Facebook page. I just see posts on the timeline and I didn't have time to try to read the whole timeline to see which ones are safe.
Post on it and ask for the list or start a thread on here and ask for the actual list. |
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| Fun2Run - 2015-11-21 11:21 AM
NJJ - 2015-11-21 11:09 AM Truly folks, unless you PERSONALLY visit each and every Purina Mill, you can choose to believe what they just wrote.....or choose not to........
^^Truth. There is a mill in Okla (Red River) that makes zero medicated feed. Their formula is fixed and lists everything in the feed on the bag, not the tag, so it rarely changes. Because it is not a big name company with big overhead, their feed is cheaper than what I'm buying that Purina makes. I'm thinking I will be switching to this feed in the future, save a few $$ and know the ingredients exactly.
I know there are areas in the country where Purina might be the only choice, and I'd feel safe feeding that.
I feed Red River feed to all my horses .. their feed is clean, fresh and great prices ..
whole oats; $10.35 /50# bag
14% Thoroughbred performance horse feed $10.20
5/8 cube alfalfa/ corn 11% protein .. horses love this feed . $8.35
For a guest horse on purina I bought two different types .. Utium and a colt growing bag for a total of $59.62 ... for 2 bags ... ROBBERY!!
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-11-22 11:28 PM
Fun2Run - 2015-11-21 11:21 AM
NJJ - 2015-11-21 11:09 AM Truly folks, unless you PERSONALLY visit each and every Purina Mill, you can choose to believe what they just wrote.....or choose not to........
^^Truth. There is a mill in Okla (Red River) that makes zero medicated feed. Their formula is fixed and lists everything in the feed on the bag, not the tag, so it rarely changes. Because it is not a big name company with big overhead, their feed is cheaper than what I'm buying that Purina makes. I'm thinking I will be switching to this feed in the future, save a few $$ and know the ingredients exactly.
I know there are areas in the country where Purina might be the only choice, and I'd feel safe feeding that.
I feed Red River feed to all my horses .. their feed is clean, fresh and great prices ..
whole oats; $10.35 /50# bag
14% Thoroughbred performance horse feed $10.20
5/8 cube alfalfa/ corn 11% protein .. horses love this feed . $8.35
For a guest horse on purina I bought two different types .. Utium and a colt growing bag for a total of $59.62 ... for 2 bags ... ROBBERY!!
Of course horses love corn, but it's one of the cheapest and worst things you can feed them. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | oranges - 2015-11-22 7:28 PM I don't know if I'm super blind, but I can't find a list on the Facebook page. I just see posts on the timeline and I didn't have time to try to read the whole timeline to see which ones are safe.
Without personally visiting a mill and knowing what to look for there's no way to know for sure. Independent research is my recommendation. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Separate production lines do not protect you from a disgruntled employee who would like to settle scores on his way out. No medication on the property is the only true safeguard. I had such a person put a dead rat in the shrink wrap on a pallet one time. IF a more serious medication had been available, he might have thrown that in the mixer. The only truely safe mill has no medication on the property. I will only manufacture under those standards. |
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Location: OH. IO | Tribute is safe! Made at an equine only facility. We feed kalm ultra and love it. |
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Location: MT | royaldimple - 2015-11-22 12:11 PM I talked to Purina last week on the phone and asked about their horse feed and if milled at same place with cattle feed. The person said to get the number off bag and she would be able to tell me if so or not. Talked to Nuetrena about this also. There is only one plant in Sterling, Colorado (I believe) that only does feed for horses. I was wondering if anyone can tell me some names of a horse feed company that is low starch and sugar with high fat content made at ONLY a mill for horses. One that is safe from cross cattle feed.
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| ruggedchica - 2015-11-23 7:57 PM
royaldimple - 2015-11-22 12:11 PM I talked to Purina last week on the phone and asked about their horse feed and if milled at same place with cattle feed. The person said to get the number off bag and she would be able to tell me if so or not. Talked to Nuetrena about this also. There is only one plant in Sterling, Colorado (I believe) that only does feed for horses. I was wondering if anyone can tell me some names of a horse feed company that is low starch and sugar with high fat content made at ONLY a mill for horses. One that is safe from cross cattle feed.
Renew Gold
Nutrena lied to you about Sterling. I know this for a fact because I live in Sterling and have been to that plant. They also do bulk cattle feed. The guys there told me they use ionophores in the bulk feed, just not the bagged. But iinophires and cattle feed are on the premises and bins in that facility. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | SKM - 2015-11-24 4:58 AM ruggedchica - 2015-11-23 7:57 PM royaldimple - 2015-11-22 12:11 PM I talked to Purina last week on the phone and asked about their horse feed and if milled at same place with cattle feed. The person said to get the number off bag and she would be able to tell me if so or not. Talked to Nuetrena about this also. There is only one plant in Sterling, Colorado (I believe) that only does feed for horses. I was wondering if anyone can tell me some names of a horse feed company that is low starch and sugar with high fat content made at ONLY a mill for horses. One that is safe from cross cattle feed. Renew Gold Nutrena lied to you about Sterling. I know this for a fact because I live in Sterling and have been to that plant. They also do bulk cattle feed. The guys there told me they use ionophores in the bulk feed, just not the bagged. But iinophires and cattle feed are on the premises and bins in that facility.
Nutrena mill in New Richland, MN lied to me too. These facilities seem shocked when people do the research and call them out on their lies. |
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List of safe mills-Purina should be on it