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Location: MD | A couple of years back now, I did a critique thread after each round at the NFR as a way of constructively dissecting each run and hopefully allowing all of us to gain some insight from the runs. It seemed to not only go over well, but began to limit the amount of not so constructive discussion about the runs and riders, as well. I was wondering if there would be any interest in such a thread again this year, or if someone else had already planned/been asked to do one? |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | I, for one, would be appreciative if you would do the honors of hosting said thread... |
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Location: The edge of no where | I enjoyed that thread....my vote goes for you to please do it this year. I LOVE watching the NFR, I'll be glued to the tv for all 10 rounds. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | I remember that Critique Thread. It was interesting and really needed to be able to go back to a video to check it out. |
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Location: nj | i remember it.. it was fun and interesting. Would love to have u do it again. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I remember it! I liked all the different POVs everyone had. It was really interesting to read everything. I vote for the OP to host it again!! |
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| I don't remember seeing or hearing about this... sounds interesting! There always seems to be a link from each night on Youtube so that could be posted as well re the comment about it being helpful to see the runs to go back to after reading the constructive critiques. Fun!!! |
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Location: Texas | Put yourself in the riders seat, how would you feel if you were one of the girls? I head one pro day she says off social media from stuff like this, it could mess up they're strategy |
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Location: MD | 3rdtimesacharm - 2015-11-28 10:57 PM
Put yourself in the riders seat, how would you feel if you were one of the girls? I head one pro day she says off social media from stuff like this, it could mess up they're strategy
Honestly, if any one of these girls has come far enough in their career to have made it to the NFR and has their strategy ruined by something someone said on the internet, they probably should thank their lucky stars that they got lucky enough to make it to see the bright lights once... Not to mention, social media becomes a pretty hateful place around the NFR. BHW is certainly NOT immune to that! This thread actually helped to curtail a lot of that type of discussion. |
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Location: west of East Texas | Wrap is one of the most POSITIVE writers I know! Please do offer your insight. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | 3rdtimesacharm - 2015-11-28 10:57 PM Put yourself in the riders seat, how would you feel if you were one of the girls? I head one pro day she says off social media from stuff like this, it could mess up they're strategy
A lot of these girls are already getting critiques on their runs during the week, especially if they have something not coming together right, they start making phone calls to people they trust. I seriously doubt they're going to come to bhw for advice or get butthurt over something on here. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Three 4 Luck - 2015-11-29 10:40 AM 3rdtimesacharm - 2015-11-28 10:57 PM Put yourself in the riders seat, how would you feel if you were one of the girls? I head one pro day she says off social media from stuff like this, it could mess up they're strategy A lot of these girls are already getting critiques on their runs during the week, especially if they have something not coming together right, they start making phone calls to people they trust. I seriously doubt they're going to come to bhw for advice or get butthurt over something on here.
^^^^ THIS ...... and if I remember correctly, Wrap's thread kept the "nastiness" to a minimum and was a GOOD DISCUSSION ! |
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Location: That part of Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-11-29 10:40 AM 3rdtimesacharm - 2015-11-28 10:57 PM Put yourself in the riders seat, how would you feel if you were one of the girls? I head one pro day she says off social media from stuff like this, it could mess up they're strategy A lot of these girls are already getting critiques on their runs during the week, especially if they have something not coming together right, they start making phone calls to people they trust. I seriously doubt they're going to come to bhw for advice or get butthurt over something on here.
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And with the scheduling and appearances and million other things they are doing in Vegas, I doubt many of them are going to be logging onto BHW to read what's going on. The only time I've seen them doing that was when they were addressing snarky rumors or misconceptions about their riding/horses that someone probably pointed specifically out to them as something that needed to be addressed on here. Hell, I'm not even riding and when I'm in Vegas for the NFR, BHW is the last thing on my mind (though I do love you guys!).
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Location: Broxton, Ga | i reckon I'm a no....nothing against WrapSnap have always enjoyed his insight. Just to me each horse rider combo is so different I just cringe when different ones start to critique those that have made it. I figure they must be doing something right.
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Location: The edge of no where | WrapSnap - 2015-11-28 11:08 PM 3rdtimesacharm - 2015-11-28 10:57 PM Put yourself in the riders seat, how would you feel if you were one of the girls? I head one pro day she says off social media from stuff like this, it could mess up they're strategy Honestly, if any one of these girls has come far enough in their career to have made it to the NFR and has their strategy ruined by something someone said on the internet, they probably should thank their lucky stars that they got lucky enough to make it to see the bright lights once... Not to mention, social media becomes a pretty hateful place around the NFR. BHW is certainly NOT immune to that! This thread actually helped to curtail a lot of that type of discussion.
You have a gift for breaking things down and explaining in a positive manner. I've been struggling to get back with my horse after a long layoff and you're one of the few people I'd welcome some thoughts on a video from. The NFR critique thread was very educational and tastefully done. |
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Location: MD | MS2011 - 2015-11-29 10:39 PM
WrapSnap - 2015-11-28 11:08 PM 3rdtimesacharm - 2015-11-28 10:57 PM Put yourself in the riders seat, how would you feel if you were one of the girls? I head one pro day she says off social media from stuff like this, it could mess up they're strategy Honestly, if any one of these girls has come far enough in their career to have made it to the NFR and has their strategy ruined by something someone said on the internet, they probably should thank their lucky stars that they got lucky enough to make it to see the bright lights once... Not to mention, social media becomes a pretty hateful place around the NFR. BHW is certainly NOT immune to that! This thread actually helped to curtail a lot of that type of discussion.
Thank you! I really appreciate your kind words! |
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Location: Deep South | I thoroughly enjoyed the past critique thread, learned a lot and really missed that you did not do it last year! I would pull up the videos to watch again after I had read your comments to look for the things you had mentioned. Your critiques are so incredibly detailed and well written. Please do share your knowledge with us again! |
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Location: South Central Florida | I seriously doubt ANY of them would come here for a advice. I do think a lot of us can learn from it. Lots of others can learn from it.
I don't understand how half the argument is "We want to be more like other pro sports", BUT DON'T SAY ANYTHING THAT WILL MAKE ME CRY.
For real, do you think any of the quarterbacks cry about what fans say? If they do...boy are they in the wrong sport. If people are going to pay to watch a sport, they should be able to talk about it, and discuss it out loud and on line if they want to. Oh My Gosh, this gets me every year...They are at the NFR, no one can criticize them...if you can't do it, you can't talk about it. Latricia Duke is a great rider and trainer...never been to the NFR, lots of great trainers have never been to the NFR.
I Loved the thread, and enjoyed our brief meeting in Perry, hope to see you again somewhere.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | CJE - 2015-11-29 7:37 PM i reckon I'm a no....nothing against WrapSnap have always enjoyed his insight. Just to me each horse rider combo is so different I just cringe when different ones start to critique those that have made it. I figure they must be doing something right. To me.....THAT is the point. Wrap has an insight to see and point out the differences in running and riding styles and why, on a certain run, they either worked or didn't work....NO RUN at the NFR is "perfect", there are little things that go wrong (or right). IF he can point them out, it just may help someone who has a similar problem at home. But to each his own......
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Location: the end of the rainbow | I love Wrap's critiques. Wish he would come coach me. Just an FYI here is one NFR barrel racers take on armchair quarterbacks. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=920359551378211&substory... |
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I like her, but no real spoet is going grow if fans can not talk about, disagree with, even make fun of.....the athletes. Commercials during Football season are FULL of those guys making fun of thselves. I can not belie'e they are so thin skinned. Iv been to lesser barewl eaces and it is dog eat dog. I have also seen riders at the NFR that looked like they should not be there. They usually dropped away fairly quickly. But tons ofnpeople thought the same...in private conversatio s...amazing horse . . .poor rider. It happens. And not every remark is a complaint....just didferent. I thik it makes Barrel racers look so ao silly. |
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I like her, but no real spoet is going grow if fans can not talk about, disagree with, even make fun of.....the athletes. Commercials during Football season are FULL of those guys making fun of thselves. I can not belie'e they are so thin skinned. Iv been to lesser barewl eaces and it is dog eat dog. I have also seen riders at the NFR that looked like they should not be there. They usually dropped away fairly quickly. But tons ofnpeople thought the same...in private conversatio s...amazing horse . . .poor rider. It happens. And not every remark is a complaint....just didferent. I thik it makes Barrel racers look so ao silly. |
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Location: Where God has placed me | I love the community here and what everyone has to say. As well as, some folks actually knowing the girls and having insight. I would love a thread for the NFR. |
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| Swannranch - 2015-11-30 10:34 AM
I seriously doubt ANY of them would come here for a advice. I do think a lot of us can learn from it. Lots of others can learn from it.
I don't understand how half the argument is "We want to be more like other pro sports", BUT DON'T SAY ANYTHING THAT WILL MAKE ME CRY.
For real, do you think any of the quarterbacks cry about what fans say? If they do...boy are they in the wrong sport. If people are going to pay to watch a sport, they should be able to talk about it, and discuss it out loud and on line if they want to. Oh My Gosh, this gets me every year...They are at the NFR, no one can criticize them...if you can't do it, you can't talk about it. Latricia Duke is a great rider and trainer...never been to the NFR, lots of great trainers have never been to the NFR.
I Loved the thread, and enjoyed our brief meeting in Perry, hope to see you again somewhere.
I agree with you 100%. Pretty much all the big sports (Football, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, etc.) have people that devote entire shows to analyzing the players and what they did wrong. ESPN has entire segments on how players messed up during the game (The NOT Top Ten plays). I cannot count the number of times I saw the infamous Mark Sanchez "butt fumble". Think he didn't want that shown? During the game people say "well he did this wrong and that's why he threw an interception". Not every run or ride someone makes is perfect, few ever are. It is alright to analyze things in a constructive manner. Just because someone is at the NFR doesn't mean they are perfectly in time with their horse every step, or that they don't get behind and mess them up. Or that their horse is just flat counterfit one run and slams a barrel. It happens to all racers and the faster you go the more it shows up when little mistakes happen. While I don't agree or particularly like watching everyone's riding styles, you can potentially learn something from it, even if it is something you want to make sure you don't do. |
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| Although I think it is a great idea, its always interesting to read why they are doing certain things and their style.. BUT is not coming from people who are actually riding the horses and why they are doing what they are doing, I think it will open up a huge negative rant from the couch jockeys (granted this will happen anyway) There are
"some" on here who constantly have nothing positive to say and will pick apart every single thing.
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| 3 To Go - 2015-12-01 3:32 PM
Swannranch - 2015-11-30 10:34 AM
I seriously doubt ANY of them would come here for a advice. I do think a lot of us can learn from it. Lots of others can learn from it.
I don't understand how half the argument is "We want to be more like other pro sports", BUT DON'T SAY ANYTHING THAT WILL MAKE ME CRY.
For real, do you think any of the quarterbacks cry about what fans say? If they do...boy are they in the wrong sport. If people are going to pay to watch a sport, they should be able to talk about it, and discuss it out loud and on line if they want to. Oh My Gosh, this gets me every year...They are at the NFR, no one can criticize them...if you can't do it, you can't talk about it. Latricia Duke is a great rider and trainer...never been to the NFR, lots of great trainers have never been to the NFR.
I Loved the thread, and enjoyed our brief meeting in Perry, hope to see you again somewhere.
I agree with you 100%. Pretty much all the big sports (Football, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, etc. ) have people that devote entire shows to analyzing the players and what they did wrong. ESPN has entire segments on how players messed up during the game (The NOT Top Ten plays ). I cannot count the number of times I saw the infamous Mark Sanchez "butt fumble". Think he didn't want that shown? During the game people say "well he did this wrong and that's why he threw an interception". Not every run or ride someone makes is perfect, few ever are. It is alright to analyze things in a constructive manner. Just because someone is at the NFR doesn't mean they are perfectly in time with their horse every step, or that they don't get behind and mess them up. Or that their horse is just flat counterfit one run and slams a barrel. It happens to all racers and the faster you go the more it shows up when little mistakes happen. While I don't agree or particularly like watching everyone's riding styles, you can potentially learn something from it, even if it is something you want to make sure you don't do.
I agree to a certain extent... this thread was done tastefully in past years and i really enjoyed it. I am all about constructive criticism and I learned a lot from the last thread. but just because the media trashes athletes, celebrities, etc doesnt make it right and I dont want to participate in it. Now... I know Wrap wouldnt do that and like I said the thread was done well last time but just something I felt I needed to say I guess because some people do cross that line between constructive and flat out bashing.  |
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| Didn't see it before, so can't comment.
Although, I find it interesting that those of us who frequent BHW would 'critique' the folks at the NFR. However, agree that some of us BHW folks could benefit from someone's observations and desscriptions of those runs. Certainly not me, my brain can't even function as fast as those women have to act in that teenie little pen, much less have my brain tell my body to do something!
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Location: MD | chicks2 - 2015-12-02 2:48 PM
Didn't see it before, so can't comment.
Although, I find it interesting that those of us who frequent BHW would 'critique' the folks at the NFR. However, agree that some of us BHW folks could benefit from someone's observations and desscriptions of those runs. Certainly not me, my brain can't even function as fast as those women have to act in that teenie little pen, much less have my brain tell my body to do something!
Look forward to it.
I use the word critique very loosely. It really is more observations and discussion of what went well, or didn't and potentially why.
BTW... you might be surprised at who all frequents BHW ;) |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | WrapSnap - 2015-12-02 4:10 PM
chicks2 - 2015-12-02 2:48 PM
Didn't see it before, so can't comment.
Although, I find it interesting that those of us who frequent BHW would 'critique' the folks at the NFR. However, agree that some of us BHW folks could benefit from someone's observations and desscriptions of those runs. Certainly not me, my brain can't even function as fast as those women have to act in that teenie little pen, much less have my brain tell my body to do something!
Look forward to it.
I use the word critique very loosely. It really is more observations and discussion of what went well, or didn't and potentially why.
BTW... you might be surprised at who all frequents BHW ; )
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | WrapSnap - 2015-12-02 4:10 PM chicks2 - 2015-12-02 2:48 PM Didn't see it before, so can't comment. Although, I find it interesting that those of us who frequent BHW would 'critique' the folks at the NFR. However, agree that some of us BHW folks could benefit from someone's observations and desscriptions of those runs. Certainly not me, my brain can't even function as fast as those women have to act in that teenie little pen, much less have my brain tell my body to do something! Look forward to it. I use the word critique very loosely. It really is more observations and discussion of what went well, or didn't and potentially why. BTW... you might be surprised at who all frequents BHW ; )
That's the definition of critique. People get hung up on the similarity to the word criticize and the negative connotation that carries. "So n so can't ride a stick horse" would be a pointless criticism. "She dropped her weight forward and inside approaching the barrel causing her horse to lead with his shoulder and cut off the pocket, which made him take a step off behind and cost them time" is something you can learn from. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Three 4 Luck - 2015-12-03 8:16 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-02 4:10 PM chicks2 - 2015-12-02 2:48 PM Didn't see it before, so can't comment. Although, I find it interesting that those of us who frequent BHW would 'critique' the folks at the NFR. However, agree that some of us BHW folks could benefit from someone's observations and desscriptions of those runs. Certainly not me, my brain can't even function as fast as those women have to act in that teenie little pen, much less have my brain tell my body to do something! Look forward to it. I use the word critique very loosely. It really is more observations and discussion of what went well, or didn't and potentially why. BTW... you might be surprised at who all frequents BHW ; )
^^^^^ THIS.......the NFR contestants are not some kind of "idols" to be adored......they ALL (and their horses) make mistakes or make fantastic runs......and if you watch maybe (just maybe), we can all learn from them.......same as attending a clinic and watching others in the pen!!! |
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Location: South Central Florida | I can't wait!!! I appreciate the insite but I do wish people did not get so upset when someone says something seen as bad. In past years, I have seen a few riders that I had to wonder how they got there. Maybe it was just the pressure and the tiny pen, but I have never seen them get back.
There are NFL Players and every other pro sport that sometimes a player just doesn't have "it". Maybe they had talent, or luck to get in but once there they just don't have the talent or work ethic to stay.
Although I do see what I would call nasty posts on other sports, there is always someone there to disagree and argue HAHA so there ya go.
I won't get to probably until tomorrow, I'm watching from bed and hoping to fall asleep immediately after barrels!
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