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| How many barrel racers use the mustang roll trimming method? Likes and dislikes? I am considering have my horses done that way. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | My opinion is..... Mustang feet are totally different from domestic horse feet. All those decades of running wild has left the horses with crappy feet feeding the lions, tigers and bears. As a result, only the horses with extraordinary feet are remaining. They have hoof-walls almost 1/2 inch thick.... You just can't trim your 1/4 horse to look like a mustang and expect the same result.
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| When I was boarding in Santa Cruz all the armpit hair growing pot smoking hippies had their horses done that way. I noticed an awful lot of them (mostly trail horses their owners said were 'rescues' or 'therapy horses') would be visibly lame after a trim.
I asked my farrier about it (he went to school and had a good internship) and he said a lot of aspiring farriers with no certification or training would go to a 2 day 'natural trimming' clinic and start trimming that way as a 'Certified Natural Barefoot' farrier. I saw more than one get lamed. My farrier then and my new farrier where I live now are not super impressed. Can't say I am either. |
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Location: West Texas | Mustang Roll should be done on all trims to prevent cracking off. Trimming is very good for horses feet. It improves feet. Shoeing, over time, deteriorated hoof quality. |
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Location: Somewhere around here | I think it depends on the farrier AND the horse. If a horse already has good feet then I'd look for a reputable one in your area but be prepared to go through a few farriers int he beginning to find the guy that your looking for. I've only had one farrier do a "mustang roll" on two horses I had at the time. Very nice and good farrier but was a little more expensive cause he knew what he was doing and never ever lamed our horses or took too much off.
I definitely would not recommend a "mustang roll" type of trimming done to a horse who is club footed or has a hard time growing heel. |
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Location: Dubuque,IA | The mustang roll keeps the outer wall from taking all the weight of the foot. It helps to buikd the concavity of the foot ,which is the ideal.If you don't put on a mustang roll then it is more like a shoe as a shoe bears all the weight of the foot.Also without a bevel on a barefoot horse you are more likely to get chipping and cracking in the wall. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | When I have my horses feet trimed I make sure the toes are rolled, less chipping. |
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Location: Texas | All of my horses have a rolled toe and are barefoot. Never had a problem, never had one go lame. |
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| Trimmers that don't know their business will pull shoes, trim the foot using nippers, and lame the horse. If the trimmer learns properly from certified personnel, a bare minimum of trimming is done with nippers at the heel, and the toe is pulled back with a rasp. The toe is rolled to prevent cracking. |
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Location: West Texas | My opinion on trimming and shoeing as well. I prefer to take off most all of the heel. Horses shouldnt have any heel. By taking it off, you can pull the toe back, in balance. The more heel, the more toe. At first, it seems wrong, but the hoof grows down and forward. It too forward that causes most problems and imbalance in the feet. |
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| Tdove - 2015-11-28 9:32 PM
My opinion on trimming and shoeing as well. I prefer to take off most all of the heel. Horses shouldnt have any heel. By taking it off, you can pull the toe back, in balance. The more heel, the more toe. At first, it seems wrong, but the hoof grows down and forward. It too forward that causes most problems and imbalance in the feet.
My farrier has been working on horses' hooves since he was about 8 years old. He's in his 50's now. His father was a farrier and he owns/runs a shoeing school. He leaves all the heel on my mare and takes as much toe off as he safely can. Some horses need their heels trimmed, some don't. |
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| Tdove - 2015-11-28 9:32 PM
My opinion on trimming and shoeing as well. I prefer to take off most all of the heel. Horses shouldnt have any heel. By taking it off, you can pull the toe back, in balance. The more heel, the more toe. At first, it seems wrong, but the hoof grows down and forward. It too forward that causes most problems and imbalance in the feet.
The more information I read, the more studies, speaking to the vet (who is also a certified farrier, took the full course in Oklahoma) this is the best way to get rid of underslung heels and a long toe.
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Location: The Great Northwest | cheryl makofka - 2015-11-30 6:25 AM Tdove - 2015-11-28 9:32 PM My opinion on trimming and shoeing as well. I prefer to take off most all of the heel. Horses shouldnt have any heel. By taking it off, you can pull the toe back, in balance. The more heel, the more toe. At first, it seems wrong, but the hoof grows down and forward. It too forward that causes most problems and imbalance in the feet. The more information I read, the more studies, speaking to the vet (who is also a certified farrier, took the full course in Oklahoma ) this is the best way to get rid of underslung heels and a long toe.
This is the concept I have been guided into is trim heel and trim more toe. The conformation of the hoof needs to be considered too. The heel grows foreward but at different angles. Most underslung heels do need help with wedging to get the normal 45 degree angle or better. |
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| skye - 2015-11-29 11:36 AM
cheryl makofka - 2015-11-30 6:25 AM Tdove - 2015-11-28 9:32 PM My opinion on trimming and shoeing as well. I prefer to take off most all of the heel. Horses shouldnt have any heel. By taking it off, you can pull the toe back, in balance. The more heel, the more toe. At first, it seems wrong, but the hoof grows down and forward. It too forward that causes most problems and imbalance in the feet. The more information I read, the more studies, speaking to the vet (who is also a certified farrier, took the full course in Oklahoma ) this is the best way to get rid of underslung heels and a long toe.
Problems with wedges, if the farrier doesn't know what they are doing, is wedges don't allow for the expansion and contraction of the foot, so it decreases the blood flow to the foot, which then causes abnormal growth, contracted heels, and eventually crushed heels.
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Location: The Great Northwest | cheryl makofka - 2015-11-30 8:40 AM skye - 2015-11-29 11:36 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-11-30 6:25 AM Tdove - 2015-11-28 9:32 PM My opinion on trimming and shoeing as well. I prefer to take off most all of the heel. Horses shouldnt have any heel. By taking it off, you can pull the toe back, in balance. The more heel, the more toe. At first, it seems wrong, but the hoof grows down and forward. It too forward that causes most problems and imbalance in the feet. The more information I read, the more studies, speaking to the vet (who is also a certified farrier, took the full course in Oklahoma ) this is the best way to get rid of underslung heels and a long toe. Problems with wedges, if the farrier doesn't know what they are doing, is wedges don't allow for the expansion and contraction of the foot, so it decreases the blood flow to the foot, which then causes abnormal growth, contracted heels, and eventually crushed heels.
That would depend on the material or quality of the wedge used. I like the Castle. |
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Location: West Texas | The problem with wedges is that, over time, it makes the issue worse and worse. The best way to solve underslung heels and long toe is trim barefoot and take off all of the heel and back off the toe. I have done this many times. |
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| Tdove - 2015-11-29 5:55 PM
The problem with wedges is that, over time, it makes the issue worse and worse. The best way to solve underslung heels and long toe is trim barefoot and take off all of the heel and back off the toe. I have done this many times.
I do agree with this, as I had the underslung, contracted heels, and long toes. When I quit shoeing, in about a year his feet were back to normal.
A lot of people don't realize that the underslung, long toe, contracted heel, contributes to navicular due to the lack of blood flow in the foot.
I have seen so many horses who are contracted and the owners don't even realize it. And I am not a farrier, just an owner who has educated herself |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Tdove - 2015-11-30 2:55 PM The problem with wedges is that, over time, it makes the issue worse and worse. The best way to solve underslung heels and long toe is trim barefoot and take off all of the heel and back off the toe. I have done this many times.
Hey, one particular horse of mine is underslung and that is due to hoof conformation. I thought too that barefoot may help. This horse never had shoes until he was five. He was started on the barefoot trim at two when I owned him. After started on barrels, and starting to compete, he was taken to the vet cause he seemed off. It was sore DFT due to strain from poor angles. He is 14 this coming year and has 3 degree bar wedge pads front and back like the vet recommended since he was five. |
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Location: Crowder, OK | my horse is 8 yrs old. He's never had shoes. He runs rodeos & regular races. He's never been lame n his front fert, handles any kind of ground. I keep him smooth myself between his farrier coming to do his regular trim. We do dumb his toes a lil. We have never took any heel but we have never had to. We concentrate on him being completely level & balanced. I do however take heel off if need be & on the rear feet. Barefoot horses feet grow faster & I'm always keeping a close eye on inside medial walls. Those walls tend to grow faster & cause soreness if the hoof gets unlevel. These r just my opinions. It's worked well for my horse.
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Location: Where the road leads me | Tdove - 2015-11-29 5:55 PM
The problem with wedges is that, over time, it makes the issue worse and worse. The best way to solve underslung heels and long toe is trim barefoot and take off all of the heel and back off the toe. I have done this many times.
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Location: The Great Northwest | Running2Win - 2015-12-03 6:47 PM Tdove - 2015-11-29 5:55 PM The problem with wedges is that, over time, it makes the issue worse and worse. The best way to solve underslung heels and long toe is trim barefoot and take off all of the heel and back off the toe. I have done this many times. Amen
It is just not true! It would work for a horse that the low heels are man made, but not for a hoof that the conformation of the hoof is underslung. No way to get the angle needed. |
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| skye - 2015-12-03 10:52 AM
Running2Win - 2015-12-03 6:47 PM Tdove - 2015-11-29 5:55 PM The problem with wedges is that, over time, it makes the issue worse and worse. The best way to solve underslung heels and long toe is trim barefoot and take off all of the heel and back off the toe. I have done this many times. Amen
Conformation does not cause under slung heels.
Under slung heels is specifically man made.
Look at foals when they are born, no hoof problems.
I have spoken to vets who have seen 2 month old babies with man induced foot problems.
The best way to correct under slung heels is to cut back the toe and the heel. Problem is not many horse owners want to pay the price to correct, most farriers don't want to correct the problem or don't know how.
Most horse people don't like to get the farrier out if they are only taking off a little. They tend to wait till their is more to take off and have the mentality thy are getting more bang for your buck, when actually you are destroying the horses foot.
It takes trimming properly every 4 weeks MAX for 12-18 months before a healthy foot no under slung, no contraction, no long toes to exist.
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Location: The Great Northwest | cheryl makofka - 2015-12-08 11:35 PM skye - 2015-12-03 10:52 AM Running2Win - 2015-12-03 6:47 PM Tdove - 2015-11-29 5:55 PM The problem with wedges is that, over time, it makes the issue worse and worse. The best way to solve underslung heels and long toe is trim barefoot and take off all of the heel and back off the toe. I have done this many times. Amen Conformation does not cause under slung heels. Under slung heels is specifically man made. Look at foals when they are born, no hoof problems. I have spoken to vets who have seen 2 month old babies with man induced foot problems. The best way to correct under slung heels is to cut back the toe and the heel. Problem is not many horse owners want to pay the price to correct, most farriers don't want to correct the problem or don't know how. Most horse people don't like to get the farrier out if they are only taking off a little. They tend to wait till their is more to take off and have the mentality thy are getting more bang for your buck, when actually you are destroying the horses foot. It takes trimming properly every 4 weeks MAX for 12-18 months before a healthy foot no under slung, no contraction, no long toes to exist.
It is the conformation of the hoof. The angle it comes out of the foot. The toe is kept back to the white line and coffin bone is level. This horse would sore the heels front and back without the bar wedges (abcess). It solved the sore tendons too. |
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