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| So as young lady i come across many people with rebel flags... and in my opinion now a days it doesnt represent "Southern heritage and being proud of who you are" To me it symbolizes racism due to the south wanting to keep slavery and what not. Most "Rednecks" have confederate flags and some of them are the most racist people i have ever met. And IM NOTTTT okay with that. I look at everybody equally no matter what skin color, accent, eye color, or what they wear. I just wanna know what your opinions are and what you think it means. Thanks:) I do not mean anything bashful. Just my opinions and if you would like to further educate me on this topic i would gladly accept it.
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | its a flag that some people use as a positive symbol, some not.
there are MORE important things to be upset about and actually combat against. a silly flag is NOT one of them....
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| No, I don't feel the Confederate flag is about racism. The Civil War was much more than simply slavery. Slavery is the easiest aspect to teach young children so it's morphed into being about slavery only. The truth is it was more about the South feeling that a state should be able to govern itself and not have the Federal government tell them what to do. They were trying to break away because of that. Yes, slavery was part of that issue, but it wasn't the main reason the Civil War was fought. The main reason was the Federal government was overstepping it's authority. Sound familiar? There were actually 3 or 4 flags designed with the Stars And Bars during the Civil War.
Did you know that the swatiska was actually an Aboriginal peace symbol before Hilter adopted it and made it something associated with the evil that was World War II?
Sorry but old flags are simply what people decide to make them. If YOU view the Confederate Flag as all about slavery and rednecks, it's because that is what YOU decided it was. | |
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Location: Florida.. | SKM - 2015-11-28 1:58 PM No, I don't feel the Confederate flag is about racism. The Civil War was much more than simply slavery. Slavery is the easiest aspect to teach young children so it's morphed into being about slavery only. The truth is it was more about the South feeling that a state should be able to govern itself and not have the Federal government tell them what to do. They were trying to break away because of that. Yes, slavery was part of that issue, but it wasn't the main reason the Civil War was fought. The main reason was the Federal government was overstepping it's authority. Sound familiar? There were actually 3 or 4 flags designed with the Stars And Bars during the Civil War.
Did you know that the swatiska was actually an Aboriginal peace symbol before Hilter adopted it and made it something associated with the evil that was World War II?
Sorry but old flags are simply what people decide to make them. If YOU view the Confederate Flag as all about slavery and rednecks, it's because that is what YOU decided it was. I agree and most that fly them have no idea the meaning of them.. lol.. They just want their truck to look good at school or zooming down the roads..
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Location: SE Louisiana | BS!!! Some of the most racist people I ever met are black.... and they JUMP at every opportunity to scream racism. Slavery my a$$!! It was black people selling black people to ship over here.... | |
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SKM - 2015-11-28 1:58 PM No, I don't feel the Confederate flag is about racism. The Civil War was much more than simply slavery. Slavery is the easiest aspect to teach young children so it's morphed into being about slavery only. The truth is it was more about the South feeling that a state should be able to govern itself and not have the Federal government tell them what to do. They were trying to break away because of that. Yes, slavery was part of that issue, but it wasn't the main reason the Civil War was fought. The main reason was the Federal government was overstepping it's authority. Sound familiar? There were actually 3 or 4 flags designed with the Stars And Bars during the Civil War.
Did you know that the swatiska was actually an Aboriginal peace symbol before Hilter adopted it and made it something associated with the evil that was World War II?
Sorry but old flags are simply what people decide to make them. If YOU view the Confederate Flag as all about slavery and rednecks, it's because that is what YOU decided it was. I agree and most that fly them have no idea the meaning of them.. lol.. They just want their truck to look good at school or zooming down the roads..
Agreed... I've seen more and more of them ever since it became such a big deal. My nephew decided to fly one on his pickup and drive around town with his buddies .. simply because all his buddies were doing it. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | It makes me want to puke that liberals are re-writing our history to go in lines what "They" think. My husband was raised in the South and the Confederate Flag to him is all about Southern Pride. People better wake up as the libs are dismantling this great country piece by piece. Freedom of speech will be soon something we use to have. Very sad.. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Nevertooold - 2015-11-28 1:54 PM It makes me want to puke that liberals are re-writing our history to go in lines what "They" think. My husband was raised in the South and the Confederate Flag to him is all about Southern Pride. People better wake up as the libs are dismantling this great country piece by piece. Freedom of speech will be soon something we use to have. Very sad..
I agree......The Civil war was not "about" slavery". It was only one little piece of the turmoil between the North and South. The Confederate Flag is a symbol and rememberance to those men (ALL of them....becuse black and white both fought for the South) who fought and lost their lives in the war..... I am so sick and tired of those who are "offended" by every little thing in this nation that we, now, have to bow down and kiss their A$$ and make nice. History is just that....history!
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Location: Texas | komet. - 2015-11-28 1:03 PM BS!!! Some of the most racist people I ever met are black.... and they JUMP at every opportunity to scream racism. Slavery my a$$!! It was black people selling black people to ship over here....
And does anyone know that even before African slaves, the English sent Irish people into slavery in the New World? And not indentured servitude - slavery.
As for the flag, I only see it as a symbol of history. And as SKM pointed out, the Civil War was more about states' rights, the economy, and the feds wondering how the Union would survive without southern state funds. | |
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BS!!! Some of the most racist people I ever met are black.... and they JUMP at every opportunity to scream racism. Slavery my a$$!! It was black people selling black people to ship over here....
^^ THIS. ^^
It is wrong for them to ban the Confederate Flag. They didn't fight that war. No one who whinned about it did either. They also didn't risk their lives for it like others did. They SHOULD have zero rights to ban it just because a bunch of people are butt hurt..
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Location: Here | FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 12:39 PM So as young lady i come across many people with rebel flags... and in my opinion now a days it doesnt represent "Southern heritage and being proud of who you are" To me it symbolizes racism due to the south wanting to keep slavery and what not. Most "Rednecks" have confederate flags and some of them are the most racist people i have ever met. And IM NOTTTT okay with that. I look at everybody equally no matter what skin color, accent, eye color, or what they wear. I just wanna know what your opinions are and what you think it means. Thanks:) I do not mean anything bashful. Just my opinions and if you would like to further educate me on this topic i would gladly accept it.
http://www.candidslice.com/what-does-the-confederate-flag-really-mean/
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Nothing racist about the flag.
Being raised in the south it is nothing more than being proud of being a southerner. If you want to see racism, then that is your view not mine | |
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Location: Here | SKM - 2015-11-28 12:58 PM No, I don't feel the Confederate flag is about racism. The Civil War was much more than simply slavery. Slavery is the easiest aspect to teach young children so it's morphed into being about slavery only. The truth is it was more about the South feeling that a state should be able to govern itself and not have the Federal government tell them what to do. They were trying to break away because of that. Yes, slavery was part of that issue, but it wasn't the main reason the Civil War was fought. The main reason was the Federal government was overstepping it's authority. Sound familiar? There were actually 3 or 4 flags designed with the Stars And Bars during the Civil War.
Did you know that the swatiska was actually an Aboriginal peace symbol before Hilter adopted it and made it something associated with the evil that was World War II?
Sorry but old flags are simply what people decide to make them. If YOU view the Confederate Flag as all about slavery and rednecks, it's because that is what YOU decided it was.
Better said than what I said
But this is a great summation!
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Location: West Texas | Bottom line, the Confederate flag has nothing to do with racism. Racism is being reinvented today as we speak, just this time, the other way around. So no, I do not agree with you. The Civil War wasn't fought over slavery. The North was wrong and oppressive. Still is. | |
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Your profile says you don't like to read.
Seriously reading and understanding for yourself is better than Hollywood's view point on subjects.
Try reading history. It really is an eye opener... | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Tdove - 2015-11-28 3:32 PM Thank God we no longer have slavery in America.
The working man is no enslaved to work and pay for all the freebies that able bodied people get because of not "Wanting" to work. The more they get...the more they demand.
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Location: West Texas | No we are not. We are burdened, not enslaved. Most working people are enslaved with their own desire for material things. | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Just another pawn in the presidents game. It only represents what you want it to. Africa STILL has slavery, many countries STILL have slavery. I doubt those countries are stupid enough to be getting rid of past flags or digging up military generals from past conflicts. If they can't move past this part of our history, perhaps they don't want to be Americans. Last I checked it is an equal opportunity country. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2014/11/23/247-wall-st-countries-most-slaves/70033422/
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| First of all I am a member of UNITED DAUGHTERS OF THE CONFEDERACY. My husband was a member of SONS OF CONF3DERATE VETERANS. Bothh of these organizations are genealogical organizations. The Civil War really was over unfair taxation of the Southern States and whether or not the Southern States could count slaves for representation in Congress The representation thing was not a new issue as it really had been dividing the North and South since the Constitution was written.
I am on my tablet and don't know how to link something but first of all you need to read the speech given to the Mississippi congress about the Confederate battle flag on the state flag by a BLACK GUY in the early 1900's.
The second thing is the flag that everyone seems to be bent out of shape about was NOT the flag that represented the Confederated States. It is the Battle Flag of the Army Of Northern Virginia which was Robert E Lee's men. Because Lee was so successful it was adopted by other groups.
The SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS does reactments and rededicates graves of Confederate veterans. One of the biggest groups of reenactment guys is HOOD'S TEXAS BRIGADE. Late last spring as I drove to school, I was passing a trailer with antique wagons on it the next truck and trailer in the procession had HOOD'S. TEXAS BRIGADE on the side and there was a BLACK GUY driving the truck. Bet he doesn't think the flag is racist. The only people who think it is racist did not pay attention in history class, did not have history taught properly, or do not care to read the facts.
So here is your short history lesson. You can take it the way you want. No one ever reads my posts anyway . The FIRST NATIONAL FLAG OF THE CONFEDERACY flies in Marshall TX. That does represent the entire Confederacy. It is at the intersection of Hwys 59 and 43. If you come to any kind of equine event from the South or west you pass it. It does not offend anyone because no one knows what it is. I seriously doubt that I am going to change anyone's ideas but at least read the facts. | |
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| The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
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Location: West Texas | FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 4:44 PM
The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 3:44 PM The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
It was about a President thinking he could take state rights away. He may be President, but those were not his choices to make. He over stepped his powers and caused the death of more American lives than any other time in history. To me he will go down as the 2nd worst President, we still have the first one.
It is people that keep bringing up racism over and OVER and OVER that keep it happening and keep making headlines. I could go on all day about BET television. Do you see WHITE entertainement television? oh HELL no, we'd be racist. They have scholarships for Blacks, but again, it would be racist for a white scholarship. They only have it so bad as they make it There are pleny of black people killing innocent white people but those never make the national news. I am so fed up with the word racism and those that want to play on it. Anyone doesn't like America and all our ups and downs that come with it? I will surely donate a first class, one way ticket to North Korea, Russia, China, Afghanistan. | |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 4:44 PM
The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | MYQHFilly - 2015-11-28 4:11 PM It was blacks and muslims doing most of the slave trading. Same as today.
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Location: Ky | The swatiska was not about bigotry, facism and hate but it became a symbol of those things. The Confederate flag was not about slaves or racism but it has become a symbol of those things. To deny that is willful blindness.
I have a neighbor down the road that flies the Conferate flag solely because he says he hates blacks.
If you would fly the Conferate flag when your black friends come over then I suppose you could say you aren't flying it for the wrong reasons?
I know how my black friends feel about it and I would not fly that flag at any time out of respect for them. But it should not be illegal for someone to parade around with whatever flag they want to carry.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The confederate flag has nothing to do with racism its not racist, its the people that are being racist and its the younger black that are crying racist all the darn time, in my younger days I never heard the word racist untill the last 6 years and its just getting worst. And I wonder why....and why the word racist just keeps coming up everyday. I really know why, just throwing scarcasm here, I am so dam sick of all the racism being brought up everyday.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 12:39 PM So as young lady i come across many people with rebel flags... and in my opinion now a days it doesnt represent "Southern heritage and being proud of who you are" To me it symbolizes racism due to the south wanting to keep slavery and what not. Most "Rednecks" have confederate flags and some of them are the most racist people i have ever met. And IM NOTTTT okay with that. I look at everybody equally no matter what skin color, accent, eye color, or what they wear. I just wanna know what your opinions are and what you think it means. Thanks:) I do not mean anything bashful. Just my opinions and if you would like to further educate me on this topic i would gladly accept it.
http://www.candidslice.com/what-does-the-confederate-flag-really-mean/
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | In a nutshell, people have succumbed to pressure brought about by political correctness, like so many other things in today's world. Even politicians in some of the most conservative states in the country have buckled under the pressures brought about by this movement. I see it as a harbinger of things to come. It takes little imagination to see how the secularists are doing the same thing, and the best evidence for that is the incremental movement toward removing a wide variety of religious symbols, beginning with removal of "God" from the classroom, to removal of the Ten Commandments, as well as Nativity scenes. That incrementalism has moved into the private sector now, with more and more stores opting to omit "Christ" from Merry Christmas, ostensibly replacing it with the "less offensive" "Happy Holidays".
It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see a new movement emerge to abolish the symbol of the cross, probably under the guise that the cross and the swastika share a common origin, according to some so-called experts. Secularists are constantly looking for new pretenses to gain momentum and strength......sadly, it appears to be working, as increasing numbers of young people are shifting toward secularism.
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Location: North Dakota | This is a symbol in history for the South that is eventually a part of the entire USA! My Great Grandfather was a Colonial in the civial war for the south, and I was born and raised in the south! My parents never taught me that black people were bad never! I don't think black people are bad today, I think they have faults in their community like every other race that exists! But I do believe they play the race card as an excuse to be lazy and non-productive!!!! I have lived abroad HALF my life and can tell you the USA is the greatest country to live in by far!!!! If the Blacks or "African Americans" had to live in foreign countrys they would realise how good it is to be an American!!!!! An American is an American!!! Other parts of the world are truely suffering and enslaved!!!!!!! | |
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| I have never liked so many post in my life! It seems to me like our country is becoming so divided after working years to become undivided. Ummm I wonder who is causing all of this. I don't consider the flag as support for slavery (racism), I see it as a symbol of our past. I for the life of me can't figure out how a small group of people can cause us to have to remove war symbols, the comandments, the word Christ, God etc. How can the majority be overran by the minority. I don't know if any of that makes sense but I know what I meant. lol | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | euchee - 2015-11-28 7:22 PM I have never liked so many post in my life! It seems to me like our country is becoming so divided after working years to become undivided. Ummm I wonder who is causing all of this. I don't consider the flag as support for slavery (racism), I see it as a symbol of our past. I for the life of me can't figure out how a small group of people can cause us to have to remove war symbols, the comandments, the word Christ, God etc. How can the majority be overran by the minority. I don't know if any of that makes sense but I know what I meant. lol
What is causing the great divide?
OBama..Part of his playbook. | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Nevertooold - 2015-11-28 6:32 PM
euchee - 2015-11-28 7:22 PM I have never liked so many post in my life! It seems to me like our country is becoming so divided after working years to become undivided. Ummm I wonder who is causing all of this. I don't consider the flag as support for slavery (racism), I see it as a symbol of our past. I for the life of me can't figure out how a small group of people can cause us to have to remove war symbols, the comandments, the word Christ, God etc. How can the majority be overran by the minority. I don't know if any of that makes sense but I know what I meant. lol
What is causing the great divide?
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Location: SE Louisiana | FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 4:44 PM
The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
The only reason lynching is a federal crime is because a lot of lawmakers were worried about winding up at the end of that rope!! (which is where most of them need to be) | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This evil lop-eared bastard we have now seizes upon every opportunity to see the seeds of misery, strife, malaise, and division. He has taken every opportunity to divide us, both amongst ourselves here at home in the US and around the globe as well. You name it....Race, gender, class, ethnicity, and religion. | |
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| jd&ez - 2015-11-28 5:34 PM
The swatiska was not about bigotry, facism and hate but it became a symbol of those things. The Confederate flag was not about slaves or racism but it has become a symbol of those things. To deny that is willful blindness.
I have a neighbor down the road that flies the Conferate flag solely because he says he hates blacks.
If you would fly the Conferate flag when your black friends come over then I suppose you could say you aren't flying it for the wrong reasons?
I know how my black friends feel about it and I would not fly that flag at any time out of respect for them. But it should not be illegal for someone to parade around with whatever flag they want to carry.
I have blacks that live across the road and I fly the Confederate flag. These people know me, I have had their kids in my class at school. They know me well enough to know how I treat everyone regardless of who they are. They don't seem to have a problem. I do however fly the first national flag and not the battle flag.
We fly all of the flags that have ever flown over Marshall TX, right in front of the high school out beside the admin building. We have a black superintendent.
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| Bear - 2015-11-28 8:12 PM
This evil lop-eared bastard we have now seizes upon every opportunity to see the seeds of misery, strife, malaise, and division. He has taken every opportunity to divide us, both amongst ourselves here at home in the US and around the globe as well. You name it....Race, gender, class, ethnicity, and religion.
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Location: My perfect world bubble | SG. - 2015-11-28 3:29 PM This is NOT a Bash But Simply an observation.
Your profile says you don't like to read.
Seriously reading and understanding for yourself is better than Hollywood's view point on subjects.
Try reading history. It really is an eye opener...
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| Nevertooold - 2015-11-28 7:32 PM euchee - 2015-11-28 7:22 PM I have never liked so many post in my life! It seems to me like our country is becoming so divided after working years to become undivided. Ummm I wonder who is causing all of this. I don't consider the flag as support for slavery (racism), I see it as a symbol of our past. I for the life of me can't figure out how a small group of people can cause us to have to remove war symbols, the comandments, the word Christ, God etc. How can the majority be overran by the minority. I don't know if any of that makes sense but I know what I meant. lol What is causing the great divide?
OBama..Part of his playbook.
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Location: Kansas | FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 3:44 PM
The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
Where did you copy and paste that from? You can find "information" from whatever opinion you side with all over the internet. The key is finding truthful info from a credible source. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-11-28 7:32 PM euchee - 2015-11-28 7:22 PM I have never liked so many post in my life! It seems to me like our country is becoming so divided after working years to become undivided. Ummm I wonder who is causing all of this. I don't consider the flag as support for slavery (racism), I see it as a symbol of our past. I for the life of me can't figure out how a small group of people can cause us to have to remove war symbols, the comandments, the word Christ, God etc. How can the majority be overran by the minority. I don't know if any of that makes sense but I know what I meant. lol What is causing the great divide?
OBama..Part of his playbook.
Yep I agree with NTO here, I have never heard so much racism since all the younger generation that dont under stand what he is doing to our country {not all the younger people but alot} and the ones that want free hand outs voted him in again. Anything we do now is racist, we cant look, talk or say anything now and if we do it racist..And now the confederate flag is racist?!!!! These people that voted him in need to wake up!!! | |
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| Not too long ago, I had an old barrel mare named Sneaky Snot. She had funny little ears that heard everything, little pig eyes that roved back and forth like a searchlight looking for her chance to show the others who was boss, and a nose that tipped up at the end. But her most noticeable feature was her lily white coat. Man, it shone in the sun, and she thought she was beautiful.
The other horses in the corral were wary of Sneaky Snot. They just went about their business, and moved away when she walked by, but every once in a while, when they weren’t looking, ole Sneaky Snot would creep up behind them and just double clutch with both hind feet and send them flying for cover. Sneaky would prance off with a satisfied look on her face and go about her business. I never new why she did what she did, but she was especially aggressive wrapped in her red, white, and blue blanket, and mainly to the black and brown horses. I thought horses were color blind, but go figure. Maybe she was jealous because they could run faster and placed higher at the barrel races. I don’t know. Maybe it had just become habit since they had let Sneaky Snot get away with it for so long. Hard to tell.
Then one day, the other two horses had just had enough, I guess. Sneaky Snot was creepin’ slow, and Ole Brown and Ole Black just kept eatin’ and at the last minute, hooves started flying, snorts and squeals rang out, and Sneaky Snot took off like a shot, no longer top dog.
Friendless and unable to deal with her lost status, Sneaky Snot’s white coat dimmed, her head hung down in shame, and the arrogance just seemed to go out of her, replaced by resentment. Not wanting to see the once proud old girl suffer, I decided to let her go. I took her to the local horse sale, and since she was feeling low, I just ran her in loose. As the gavel fell on the end of an era, I couldn’t help but reminisce about ole Sneaky. She was something. I hope she got the home she deserved.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Bear - 2015-11-28 6:46 PM
In a nutshell, people have succumbed to pressure brought about by political correctness, like so many other things in today's world. Even politicians in some of the most conservative states in the country have buckled under the pressures brought about by this movement. I see it as a harbinger of things to come. It takes little imagination to see how the secularists are doing the same thing, and the best evidence for that is the incremental movement toward removing a wide variety of religious symbols, beginning with removal of "God" from the classroom, to removal of the Ten Commandments, as well as Nativity scenes. That incrementalism has moved into the private sector now, with more and more stores opting to omit "Christ" from Merry Christmas, ostensibly replacing it with the "less offensive" "Happy Holidays".
It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see a new movement emerge to abolish the symbol of the cross, probably under the guise that the cross and the swastika share a common origin, according to some so-called experts. Secularists are constantly looking for new pretenses to gain momentum and strength......sadly, it appears to be working, as increasing numbers of young people are shifting toward secularism.
We'll pay for this some day.
I agree. Only, I think we are paying for it now! We are frogs in the pot, and the water is coming to a rolling boil. Only, many haven't noticed because it's happened slowly, over time. This country needs a return to God. | |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | euchee - 2015-11-28 7:22 PM
I have never liked so many post in my life! It seems to me like our country is becoming so divided after working years to become undivided. Ummm I wonder who is causing all of this. I don't consider the flag as support for slavery (racism), I see it as a symbol of our past. I for the life of me can't figure out how a small group of people can cause us to have to remove war symbols, the comandments, the word Christ, God etc. How can the majority be overran by the minority. I don't know if any of that makes sense but I know what I meant. lol
Because the vocal minority have nothing to lose. I want to go protest many injustices I see, but I would lose my job and all benefits. I can't say what I want and demand changes be made based on my preferences. But, I can vote! | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-29 8:49 AM
Nevertooold - 2015-11-28 7:32 PM euchee - 2015-11-28 7:22 PM I have never liked so many post in my life! It seems to me like our country is becoming so divided after working years to become undivided. Ummm I wonder who is causing all of this. I don't consider the flag as support for slavery (racism), I see it as a symbol of our past. I for the life of me can't figure out how a small group of people can cause us to have to remove war symbols, the comandments, the word Christ, God etc. How can the majority be overran by the minority. I don't know if any of that makes sense but I know what I meant. lol What is causing the great divide?
OBama..Part of his playbook.
Government handouts, paid for by taxpayers is nothing new. FDR demonstrated the immense power of this political tool. His New Deal resulted in his attainment of near dictator status and, as a result, he was elected 4 times. It was LBJ, however, who really pioneered effective race baiting with government handouts when his civil rights bill, combined with his "War on Poverty" became a formidable tool for politicians. He effectively swayed public opinion that the Democrat party was the party that stood for African-American rights. It was masterful deception. The Democrat party has a rich racist past. The most rabid racists before LBJ were Democrats. One man, LBJ, deftly turned this around 180 degrees, with a sweep of his pen.....along with the overwhelming support of Republicans. His slogan "War on Poverty" was another ruse. That was 50 years ago. The War on Poverty was a flop, and racism is as bad as it's ever been. Progressive liberals NEED racism and they also need programs that promise freebies. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2015-11-29 10:47 AM Not too long ago, I had an old barrel mare named Sneaky Snot. She had funny little ears that heard everything, little pig eyes that roved back and forth like a searchlight looking for her chance to show the others who was boss, and a nose that tipped up at the end. But her most noticeable feature was her lily white coat. Man, it shone in the sun, and she thought she was beautiful. The other horses in the corral were wary of Sneaky Snot. They just went about their business, and moved away when she walked by, but every once in a while, when they weren’t looking, ole Sneaky Snot would creep up behind them and just double clutch with both hind feet and send them flying for cover. Sneaky would prance off with a satisfied look on her face and go about her business. I never new why she did what she did, but she was especially aggressive wrapped in her red, white, and blue blanket, and mainly to the black and brown horses. I thought horses were color blind, but go figure. Maybe she was jealous because they could run faster and placed higher at the barrel races. I don’t know. Maybe it had just become habit since they had let Sneaky Snot get away with it for so long. Hard to tell. Then one day, the other two horses had just had enough, I guess. Sneaky Snot was creepin’ slow, and Ole Brown and Ole Black just kept eatin’ and at the last minute, hooves started flying, snorts and squeals rang out, and Sneaky Snot took off like a shot, no longer top dog. Friendless and unable to deal with her lost status, Sneaky Snot’s white coat dimmed, her head hung down in shame, and the arrogance just seemed to go out of her, replaced by resentment. Not wanting to see the once proud old girl suffer, I decided to let her go. I took her to the local horse sale, and since she was feeling low, I just ran her in loose. As the gavel fell on the end of an era, I couldn’t help but reminisce about ole Sneaky. She was something. I hope she got the home she deserved.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | 3canstorun - 2015-11-29 6:15 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2015-11-29 10:47 AM Not too long ago, I had an old barrel mare named Sneaky Snot. She had funny little ears that heard everything, little pig eyes that roved back and forth like a searchlight looking for her chance to show the others who was boss, and a nose that tipped up at the end. But her most noticeable feature was her lily white coat. Man, it shone in the sun, and she thought she was beautiful. The other horses in the corral were wary of Sneaky Snot. They just went about their business, and moved away when she walked by, but every once in a while, when they weren’t looking, ole Sneaky Snot would creep up behind them and just double clutch with both hind feet and send them flying for cover. Sneaky would prance off with a satisfied look on her face and go about her business. I never new why she did what she did, but she was especially aggressive wrapped in her red, white, and blue blanket, and mainly to the black and brown horses. I thought horses were color blind, but go figure. Maybe she was jealous because they could run faster and placed higher at the barrel races. I don’t know. Maybe it had just become habit since they had let Sneaky Snot get away with it for so long. Hard to tell. Then one day, the other two horses had just had enough, I guess. Sneaky Snot was creepin’ slow, and Ole Brown and Ole Black just kept eatin’ and at the last minute, hooves started flying, snorts and squeals rang out, and Sneaky Snot took off like a shot, no longer top dog. Friendless and unable to deal with her lost status, Sneaky Snot’s white coat dimmed, her head hung down in shame, and the arrogance just seemed to go out of her, replaced by resentment. Not wanting to see the once proud old girl suffer, I decided to let her go. I took her to the local horse sale, and since she was feeling low, I just ran her in loose. As the gavel fell on the end of an era, I couldn’t help but reminisce about ole Sneaky. She was something. I hope she got the home she deserved. And while I understand part of the rhetoric what in the world are you trying to say
JMO…….Finney is making a thinly veiled Liberal reference to the white race (Sneaky Snot) pounding and beating the black race (Ol' Blackie and Brownie) down over the years….so that we should not be surprised when they rise up and fight back????
However, she makes no mention that Ole Blackie and Brownie may just have been lazy “nags” who didn't pull their own weight and may have needed to be kicked and shoved away from the FREE food bunk. | |
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Location: Texas | NJJ - 2015-11-29 6:39 PM 3canstorun - 2015-11-29 6:15 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2015-11-29 10:47 AM Not too long ago, I had an old barrel mare named Sneaky Snot. She had funny little ears that heard everything, little pig eyes that roved back and forth like a searchlight looking for her chance to show the others who was boss, and a nose that tipped up at the end. But her most noticeable feature was her lily white coat. Man, it shone in the sun, and she thought she was beautiful. The other horses in the corral were wary of Sneaky Snot. They just went about their business, and moved away when she walked by, but every once in a while, when they weren’t looking, ole Sneaky Snot would creep up behind them and just double clutch with both hind feet and send them flying for cover. Sneaky would prance off with a satisfied look on her face and go about her business. I never new why she did what she did, but she was especially aggressive wrapped in her red, white, and blue blanket, and mainly to the black and brown horses. I thought horses were color blind, but go figure. Maybe she was jealous because they could run faster and placed higher at the barrel races. I don’t know. Maybe it had just become habit since they had let Sneaky Snot get away with it for so long. Hard to tell. Then one day, the other two horses had just had enough, I guess. Sneaky Snot was creepin’ slow, and Ole Brown and Ole Black just kept eatin’ and at the last minute, hooves started flying, snorts and squeals rang out, and Sneaky Snot took off like a shot, no longer top dog. Friendless and unable to deal with her lost status, Sneaky Snot’s white coat dimmed, her head hung down in shame, and the arrogance just seemed to go out of her, replaced by resentment. Not wanting to see the once proud old girl suffer, I decided to let her go. I took her to the local horse sale, and since she was feeling low, I just ran her in loose. As the gavel fell on the end of an era, I couldn’t help but reminisce about ole Sneaky. She was something. I hope she got the home she deserved. And while I understand part of the rhetoric what in the world are you trying to say
However, she makes no mention that Ole Blackie and Brownie may just have been lazy “nags” who didn't pull their own weight and may have needed to be kicked and shoved away from the FREE food bunk.
I thought that was the biggest bunch of bunk I ever read. What does all that have to do with the Rebel flag?  | |
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| FinneyQuarterHorses - 2015-11-29 9:47 AM
Not too long ago, I had an old barrel mare named Sneaky Snot. She had funny little ears that heard everything, little pig eyes that roved back and forth like a searchlight looking for her chance to show the others who was boss, and a nose that tipped up at the end. But her most noticeable feature was her lily white coat. Man, it shone in the sun, and she thought she was beautiful.
The other horses in the corral were wary of Sneaky Snot. They just went about their business, and moved away when she walked by, but every once in a while, when they weren’t looking, ole Sneaky Snot would creep up behind them and just double clutch with both hind feet and send them flying for cover. Sneaky would prance off with a satisfied look on her face and go about her business. I never new why she did what she did, but she was especially aggressive wrapped in her red, white, and blue blanket, and mainly to the black and brown horses. I thought horses were color blind, but go figure. Maybe she was jealous because they could run faster and placed higher at the barrel races. I don’t know. Maybe it had just become habit since they had let Sneaky Snot get away with it for so long. Hard to tell.
Then one day, the other two horses had just had enough, I guess. Sneaky Snot was creepin’ slow, and Ole Brown and Ole Black just kept eatin’ and at the last minute, hooves started flying, snorts and squeals rang out, and Sneaky Snot took off like a shot, no longer top dog.
Friendless and unable to deal with her lost status, Sneaky Snot’s white coat dimmed, her head hung down in shame, and the arrogance just seemed to go out of her, replaced by resentment. Not wanting to see the once proud old girl suffer, I decided to let her go. I took her to the local horse sale, and since she was feeling low, I just ran her in loose. As the gavel fell on the end of an era, I couldn’t help but reminisce about ole Sneaky. She was something. I hope she got the home she deserved.
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Location: sunny california | there is more than one way to see that:
i saw sneeky as the minority because in the horse world whites are. i know my horses were weird to my white horse at first and yes he was a pill LOL
anyway the majority put up with the shenangans of the minority then one day said NO MORE
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Location: Arkansas | Fun2Run - 2015-11-29 6:54 PM
NJJ - 2015-11-29 6:39 PM 3canstorun - 2015-11-29 6:15 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2015-11-29 10:47 AM Not too long ago, I had an old barrel mare named Sneaky Snot. She had funny little ears that heard everything, little pig eyes that roved back and forth like a searchlight looking for her chance to show the others who was boss, and a nose that tipped up at the end. But her most noticeable feature was her lily white coat. Man, it shone in the sun, and she thought she was beautiful. The other horses in the corral were wary of Sneaky Snot. They just went about their business, and moved away when she walked by, but every once in a while, when they weren’t looking, ole Sneaky Snot would creep up behind them and just double clutch with both hind feet and send them flying for cover. Sneaky would prance off with a satisfied look on her face and go about her business. I never new why she did what she did, but she was especially aggressive wrapped in her red, white, and blue blanket, and mainly to the black and brown horses. I thought horses were color blind, but go figure. Maybe she was jealous because they could run faster and placed higher at the barrel races. I don’t know. Maybe it had just become habit since they had let Sneaky Snot get away with it for so long. Hard to tell. Then one day, the other two horses had just had enough, I guess. Sneaky Snot was creepin’ slow, and Ole Brown and Ole Black just kept eatin’ and at the last minute, hooves started flying, snorts and squeals rang out, and Sneaky Snot took off like a shot, no longer top dog. Friendless and unable to deal with her lost status, Sneaky Snot’s white coat dimmed, her head hung down in shame, and the arrogance just seemed to go out of her, replaced by resentment. Not wanting to see the once proud old girl suffer, I decided to let her go. I took her to the local horse sale, and since she was feeling low, I just ran her in loose. As the gavel fell on the end of an era, I couldn’t help but reminisce about ole Sneaky. She was something. I hope she got the home she deserved. And while I understand part of the rhetoric what in the world are you trying to say
However, she makes no mention that Ole Blackie and Brownie may just have been lazy “nags” who didn't pull their own weight and may have needed to be kicked and shoved away from the FREE food bunk.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | bennie1 - 2015-11-29 7:04 PM
FinneyQuarterHorses - 2015-11-29 9:47 AM
Not too long ago, I had an old barrel mare named Sneaky Snot. She had funny little ears that heard everything, little pig eyes that roved back and forth like a searchlight looking for her chance to show the others who was boss, and a nose that tipped up at the end. But her most noticeable feature was her lily white coat. Man, it shone in the sun, and she thought she was beautiful.
The other horses in the corral were wary of Sneaky Snot. They just went about their business, and moved away when she walked by, but every once in a while, when they weren’t looking, ole Sneaky Snot would creep up behind them and just double clutch with both hind feet and send them flying for cover. Sneaky would prance off with a satisfied look on her face and go about her business. I never new why she did what she did, but she was especially aggressive wrapped in her red, white, and blue blanket, and mainly to the black and brown horses. I thought horses were color blind, but go figure. Maybe she was jealous because they could run faster and placed higher at the barrel races. I don’t know. Maybe it had just become habit since they had let Sneaky Snot get away with it for so long. Hard to tell.
Then one day, the other two horses had just had enough, I guess. Sneaky Snot was creepin’ slow, and Ole Brown and Ole Black just kept eatin’ and at the last minute, hooves started flying, snorts and squeals rang out, and Sneaky Snot took off like a shot, no longer top dog.
Friendless and unable to deal with her lost status, Sneaky Snot’s white coat dimmed, her head hung down in shame, and the arrogance just seemed to go out of her, replaced by resentment. Not wanting to see the once proud old girl suffer, I decided to let her go. I took her to the local horse sale, and since she was feeling low, I just ran her in loose. As the gavel fell on the end of an era, I couldn’t help but reminisce about ole Sneaky. She was something. I hope she got the home she deserved.
What a ridiculous analogy.
It's a pitiful allegory used to indoctrinate young gullible, liberal skulls of mush. I'm guessing she spent the day spinning that yarn. It would fit well in a literary manuscript befitting a typical young, liberal millennial......a comic book, for instance.
Edited by Bear 2015-11-29 8:35 PM
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Location: That part of Texas | FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 4:44 PM The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
To say that the Civil War was fought over slavery is like the modern day version of saying the Iraq War was fought over oil. For anybody who wished to really look further and ask their own questions, the answers are there from both viewpoints and the water runs much deeper than what shows on the surface.
It is said that history is written by the victors of the battle and the Civil War is no different. The North is usually painted in a more heroic, benevolent light while the South is villified with few reedeming qualities. Seeing it in only that light, one would wonder why the North fought so hard to keep South as part of the Union -- surely they would want to cut them loose and disassociate from them on moral principles alone, right? It would have been much easier and cost effective (in both money, resources and lives) to say adios and good luck on your new venture, right?
If the North was so concerned for the slaves, why were they the last to actually free their own? Lincoln used war powers to enact the Emancipation Proclamation against the Southern states only and that was actually done to keep them from being able to order slaves into their army. He wanted to cripple the South by taking away an accessible population and further strain resources by basically creating a large class of refugees who had no where to go, no way of getting anywhere and no means to take care of themselves. The only help the North gave was to basically tell the freed slaves that if they fought for the Union, they would be taken care of by the army but that was only if they were of "suitable condition" to fight. Benevolent? The North manipulated and used the slaves for their own purposes as pawns without the care and concern for most of them as humans, much less citizens of the Union. The war was much more complicated than just slavery and freeing people.
Much like the war, the history behind the Confederate Flag (as we call it in modern times, StreakySox eluded that it's true meaning is much more complex) and Southern Pride/Heritage can be either viewed in a simplistic sense or understood on a deeper level. I think on some level, it's hard for people to understand how anybody who was against slavery, segregation and racism could actually feel pride or a connection to a culture who once supported all those things. If you want a simple answer, there's really not one to that because the South was more than just slavery, segregation and racism. Since the time our nation was formed, the United States has done some pretty shi*ty things to other people, places and nations. Does that mean if you support the U.S. you support those things? Most people would say "no" and could separate the concepts. I don't understand why it's so hard to fathom that people feel the same way about the South when it comes to the issue of a flag and racism.
I do want to say that for the record, I grew up in a part of Texas where it's not uncommon to see the U.S., Texas and Confederate flags being flown together on people's front yards. Not everybody who does so -- or has a Confederate flag towel, t-shirt, coozie, dog collar, truck sticker, etc. -- is a redneck or a racist. Some actually do separate their pride in the South and for many (like my family), pride for their ancestors who fought in the war from the idea of slavery and racism.
The greatest irony of all involving racism and the displaying of the flag is that at least the people who do "redneck" it up, make an a$$ of themselves and let their racism show are at least being up front with it. If you believe that racism, sexism and 20 other forms of "-isms" are going away because as a society we are so evolved, you are totally deluding yourself! On some level these issues will always be there -- the problems is that as a society, we are better about hiding our prejudices and passive-aggressively displaying them. Google "Silent Racism" and you'll see that what's hidden is actually much worse than someone who doesn't try to hide or mask their true feelings. Passing laws banning flags, removing monuments and shading how history is taught to our kids just helps hide the issues more. In freedom there is truth -- whether we like it or not.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Red Raider - 2015-11-29 8:37 PM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 4:44 PM The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
It is said that history is written by the victors of the battle and the Civil War is no different. The North is usually painted in a more heroic, benevolent light while the South is villified with few reedeming qualities. Seeing it in only that light, one would wonder why the North fought so hard to keep South as part of the Union -- surely they would want to cut them loose and disassociate from them on moral principles alone, right? It would have been much easier and cost effective (in both money, resources and lives) to say adios and good luck on your new venture, right?
If the North was so concerned for the slaves, why were they the last to actually free their own? Lincoln used war powers to enact the Emancipation Proclamation against the Southern states only and that was actually done to keep them from being able to order slaves into their army. He wanted to cripple the South by taking away an accessible population and further strain resources by basically creating a large class of refugees who had no where to go, no way of getting anywhere and no means to take care of themselves. The only help the North gave was to basically tell the freed slaves that if they fought for the Union, they would be taken care of by the army but that was only if they were of "suitable condition" to fight. Benevolent? The North manipulated and used the slaves for their own purposes as pawns without the care and concern for most of them as humans, much less citizens of the Union. The war was much more complicated than just slavery and freeing people.
Much like the war, the history behind the Confederate Flag (as we call it in modern times, StreakySox eluded that it's true meaning is much more complex) and Southern Pride/Heritage can be either viewed in a simplistic sense or understood on a deeper level. I think on some level, it's hard for people to understand how anybody who was against slavery, segregation and racism could actually feel pride or a connection to a culture who once supported all those things. If you want a simple answer, there's really not one to that because the South was more than just slavery, segregation and racism. Since the time our nation was formed, the United States has done some pretty shi*ty things to other people, places and nations. Does that mean if you support the U.S. you support those things? Most people would say "no" and could separate the concepts. I don't understand why it's so hard to fathom that people feel the same way about the South when it comes to the issue of a flag and racism.
I do want to say that for the record, I grew up in a part of Texas where it's not uncommon to see the U.S., Texas and Confederate flags being flown together on people's front yards. Not everybody who does so -- or has a Confederate flag towel, t-shirt, coozie, dog collar, truck sticker, etc. -- is a redneck or a racist. Some actually do separate their pride in the South and for many (like my family), pride for their ancestors who fought in the war from the idea of slavery and racism.
The greatest irony of all involving racism and the displaying of the flag is that at least the people who do "redneck" it up, make an a$$ of themselves and let their racism show are at least being up front with it. If you believe that racism, sexism and 20 other forms of "-isms" are going away because as a society we are so evolved, you are totally deluding yourself! On some level these issues will always be there -- the problems is that as a society, we are better about hiding our prejudices and passive-aggressively displaying them. Google "Silent Racism" and you'll see that what's hidden is actually much worse than someone who doesn't try to hide or mask their true feelings. Passing laws banning flags, removing monuments and shading how history is taught to our kids just helps hide the issues more. In freedom there is truth -- whether we like it or not.
And to add, it was Lincoln who wanted to send all of the black slaves back to Africa. How different things would have been if he hadn't been killed. | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Red Raider - 2015-11-29 7:37 PM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 4:44 PM The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
It is said that history is written by the victors of the battle and the Civil War is no different. The North is usually painted in a more heroic, benevolent light while the South is villified with few reedeming qualities. Seeing it in only that light, one would wonder why the North fought so hard to keep South as part of the Union -- surely they would want to cut them loose and disassociate from them on moral principles alone, right? It would have been much easier and cost effective (in both money, resources and lives) to say adios and good luck on your new venture, right?
If the North was so concerned for the slaves, why were they the last to actually free their own? Lincoln used war powers to enact the Emancipation Proclamation against the Southern states only and that was actually done to keep them from being able to order slaves into their army. He wanted to cripple the South by taking away an accessible population and further strain resources by basically creating a large class of refugees who had no where to go, no way of getting anywhere and no means to take care of themselves. The only help the North gave was to basically tell the freed slaves that if they fought for the Union, they would be taken care of by the army but that was only if they were of "suitable condition" to fight. Benevolent? The North manipulated and used the slaves for their own purposes as pawns without the care and concern for most of them as humans, much less citizens of the Union. The war was much more complicated than just slavery and freeing people.
Much like the war, the history behind the Confederate Flag (as we call it in modern times, StreakySox eluded that it's true meaning is much more complex) and Southern Pride/Heritage can be either viewed in a simplistic sense or understood on a deeper level. I think on some level, it's hard for people to understand how anybody who was against slavery, segregation and racism could actually feel pride or a connection to a culture who once supported all those things. If you want a simple answer, there's really not one to that because the South was more than just slavery, segregation and racism. Since the time our nation was formed, the United States has done some pretty shi*ty things to other people, places and nations. Does that mean if you support the U.S. you support those things? Most people would say "no" and could separate the concepts. I don't understand why it's so hard to fathom that people feel the same way about the South when it comes to the issue of a flag and racism.
I do want to say that for the record, I grew up in a part of Texas where it's not uncommon to see the U.S., Texas and Confederate flags being flown together on people's front yards. Not everybody who does so -- or has a Confederate flag towel, t-shirt, coozie, dog collar, truck sticker, etc. -- is a redneck or a racist. Some actually do separate their pride in the South and for many (like my family), pride for their ancestors who fought in the war from the idea of slavery and racism.
The greatest irony of all involving racism and the displaying of the flag is that at least the people who do "redneck" it up, make an a$$ of themselves and let their racism show are at least being up front with it. If you believe that racism, sexism and 20 other forms of "-isms" are going away because as a society we are so evolved, you are totally deluding yourself! On some level these issues will always be there -- the problems is that as a society, we are better about hiding our prejudices and passive-aggressively displaying them. Google "Silent Racism" and you'll see that what's hidden is actually much worse than someone who doesn't try to hide or mask their true feelings. Passing laws banning flags, removing monuments and shading how history is taught to our kids just helps hide the issues more. In freedom there is truth -- whether we like it or not.
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Location: Arkansas | Red Raider - 2015-11-29 8:37 PM
FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 4:44 PM The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
It is said that history is written by the victors of the battle and the Civil War is no different. The North is usually painted in a more heroic, benevolent light while the South is villified with few reedeming qualities. Seeing it in only that light, one would wonder why the North fought so hard to keep South as part of the Union -- surely they would want to cut them loose and disassociate from them on moral principles alone, right? It would have been much easier and cost effective (in both money, resources and lives) to say adios and good luck on your new venture, right?
If the North was so concerned for the slaves, why were they the last to actually free their own? Lincoln used war powers to enact the Emancipation Proclamation against the Southern states only and that was actually done to keep them from being able to order slaves into their army. He wanted to cripple the South by taking away an accessible population and further strain resources by basically creating a large class of refugees who had no where to go, no way of getting anywhere and no means to take care of themselves. The only help the North gave was to basically tell the freed slaves that if they fought for the Union, they would be taken care of by the army but that was only if they were of "suitable condition" to fight. Benevolent? The North manipulated and used the slaves for their own purposes as pawns without the care and concern for most of them as humans, much less citizens of the Union. The war was much more complicated than just slavery and freeing people.
Much like the war, the history behind the Confederate Flag (as we call it in modern times, StreakySox eluded that it's true meaning is much more complex) and Southern Pride/Heritage can be either viewed in a simplistic sense or understood on a deeper level. I think on some level, it's hard for people to understand how anybody who was against slavery, segregation and racism could actually feel pride or a connection to a culture who once supported all those things. If you want a simple answer, there's really not one to that because the South was more than just slavery, segregation and racism. Since the time our nation was formed, the United States has done some pretty shi*ty things to other people, places and nations. Does that mean if you support the U.S. you support those things? Most people would say "no" and could separate the concepts. I don't understand why it's so hard to fathom that people feel the same way about the South when it comes to the issue of a flag and racism.
I do want to say that for the record, I grew up in a part of Texas where it's not uncommon to see the U.S., Texas and Confederate flags being flown together on people's front yards. Not everybody who does so -- or has a Confederate flag towel, t-shirt, coozie, dog collar, truck sticker, etc. -- is a redneck or a racist. Some actually do separate their pride in the South and for many (like my family), pride for their ancestors who fought in the war from the idea of slavery and racism.
The greatest irony of all involving racism and the displaying of the flag is that at least the people who do "redneck" it up, make an a$$ of themselves and let their racism show are at least being up front with it. If you believe that racism, sexism and 20 other forms of "-isms" are going away because as a society we are so evolved, you are totally deluding yourself! On some level these issues will always be there -- the problems is that as a society, we are better about hiding our prejudices and passive-aggressively displaying them. Google "Silent Racism" and you'll see that what's hidden is actually much worse than someone who doesn't try to hide or mask their true feelings. Passing laws banning flags, removing monuments and shading how history is taught to our kids just helps hide the issues more. In freedom there is truth -- whether we like it or not.
I vote you give TRUE history lessons to the sadly informed youth (and otherwise) of today!
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Location: Here | Red Raider - 2015-11-29 8:37 PM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 4:44 PM The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
It is said that history is written by the victors of the battle and the Civil War is no different. The North is usually painted in a more heroic, benevolent light while the South is villified with few reedeming qualities. Seeing it in only that light, one would wonder why the North fought so hard to keep South as part of the Union -- surely they would want to cut them loose and disassociate from them on moral principles alone, right? It would have been much easier and cost effective (in both money, resources and lives) to say adios and good luck on your new venture, right?
If the North was so concerned for the slaves, why were they the last to actually free their own? Lincoln used war powers to enact the Emancipation Proclamation against the Southern states only and that was actually done to keep them from being able to order slaves into their army. He wanted to cripple the South by taking away an accessible population and further strain resources by basically creating a large class of refugees who had no where to go, no way of getting anywhere and no means to take care of themselves. The only help the North gave was to basically tell the freed slaves that if they fought for the Union, they would be taken care of by the army but that was only if they were of "suitable condition" to fight. Benevolent? The North manipulated and used the slaves for their own purposes as pawns without the care and concern for most of them as humans, much less citizens of the Union. The war was much more complicated than just slavery and freeing people.
Much like the war, the history behind the Confederate Flag (as we call it in modern times, StreakySox eluded that it's true meaning is much more complex) and Southern Pride/Heritage can be either viewed in a simplistic sense or understood on a deeper level. I think on some level, it's hard for people to understand how anybody who was against slavery, segregation and racism could actually feel pride or a connection to a culture who once supported all those things. If you want a simple answer, there's really not one to that because the South was more than just slavery, segregation and racism. Since the time our nation was formed, the United States has done some pretty shi*ty things to other people, places and nations. Does that mean if you support the U.S. you support those things? Most people would say "no" and could separate the concepts. I don't understand why it's so hard to fathom that people feel the same way about the South when it comes to the issue of a flag and racism.
I do want to say that for the record, I grew up in a part of Texas where it's not uncommon to see the U.S., Texas and Confederate flags being flown together on people's front yards. Not everybody who does so -- or has a Confederate flag towel, t-shirt, coozie, dog collar, truck sticker, etc. -- is a redneck or a racist. Some actually do separate their pride in the South and for many (like my family), pride for their ancestors who fought in the war from the idea of slavery and racism.
The greatest irony of all involving racism and the displaying of the flag is that at least the people who do "redneck" it up, make an a$$ of themselves and let their racism show are at least being up front with it. If you believe that racism, sexism and 20 other forms of "-isms" are going away because as a society we are so evolved, you are totally deluding yourself! On some level these issues will always be there -- the problems is that as a society, we are better about hiding our prejudices and passive-aggressively displaying them. Google "Silent Racism" and you'll see that what's hidden is actually much worse than someone who doesn't try to hide or mask their true feelings. Passing laws banning flags, removing monuments and shading how history is taught to our kids just helps hide the issues more. In freedom there is truth -- whether we like it or not.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SG. - 2015-11-29 9:13 PM Red Raider - 2015-11-29 8:37 PM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 4:44 PM The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
It is said that history is written by the victors of the battle and the Civil War is no different. The North is usually painted in a more heroic, benevolent light while the South is villified with few reedeming qualities. Seeing it in only that light, one would wonder why the North fought so hard to keep South as part of the Union -- surely they would want to cut them loose and disassociate from them on moral principles alone, right? It would have been much easier and cost effective (in both money, resources and lives) to say adios and good luck on your new venture, right?
If the North was so concerned for the slaves, why were they the last to actually free their own? Lincoln used war powers to enact the Emancipation Proclamation against the Southern states only and that was actually done to keep them from being able to order slaves into their army. He wanted to cripple the South by taking away an accessible population and further strain resources by basically creating a large class of refugees who had no where to go, no way of getting anywhere and no means to take care of themselves. The only help the North gave was to basically tell the freed slaves that if they fought for the Union, they would be taken care of by the army but that was only if they were of "suitable condition" to fight. Benevolent? The North manipulated and used the slaves for their own purposes as pawns without the care and concern for most of them as humans, much less citizens of the Union. The war was much more complicated than just slavery and freeing people.
Much like the war, the history behind the Confederate Flag (as we call it in modern times, StreakySox eluded that it's true meaning is much more complex) and Southern Pride/Heritage can be either viewed in a simplistic sense or understood on a deeper level. I think on some level, it's hard for people to understand how anybody who was against slavery, segregation and racism could actually feel pride or a connection to a culture who once supported all those things. If you want a simple answer, there's really not one to that because the South was more than just slavery, segregation and racism. Since the time our nation was formed, the United States has done some pretty shi*ty things to other people, places and nations. Does that mean if you support the U.S. you support those things? Most people would say "no" and could separate the concepts. I don't understand why it's so hard to fathom that people feel the same way about the South when it comes to the issue of a flag and racism.
I do want to say that for the record, I grew up in a part of Texas where it's not uncommon to see the U.S., Texas and Confederate flags being flown together on people's front yards. Not everybody who does so -- or has a Confederate flag towel, t-shirt, coozie, dog collar, truck sticker, etc. -- is a redneck or a racist. Some actually do separate their pride in the South and for many (like my family), pride for their ancestors who fought in the war from the idea of slavery and racism.
The greatest irony of all involving racism and the displaying of the flag is that at least the people who do "redneck" it up, make an a$$ of themselves and let their racism show are at least being up front with it. If you believe that racism, sexism and 20 other forms of "-isms" are going away because as a society we are so evolved, you are totally deluding yourself! On some level these issues will always be there -- the problems is that as a society, we are better about hiding our prejudices and passive-aggressively displaying them. Google "Silent Racism" and you'll see that what's hidden is actually much worse than someone who doesn't try to hide or mask their true feelings. Passing laws banning flags, removing monuments and shading how history is taught to our kids just helps hide the issues more. In freedom there is truth -- whether we like it or not.
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| kwanatha - 2015-11-29 7:26 PM
there is more than one way to see that:
i saw sneeky as the minority because in the horse world whites are. i know my horses were weird to my white horse at first and yes he was a pill LOL
anyway the majority put up with the shenangans of the minority then one day said NO MORE
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Location: Beggs, OK | komet. - 2015-11-28 8:02 PM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 4:44 PM The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
The only reason lynching is a federal crime is because a lot of lawmakers were worried about winding up at the end of that rope!! (which is where most of them need to be )
Her post was a copy and paste exerpt from The Huffington Post... These are not original thoughts, and are likely to be embarassing to her once she is older and has a little more life experience. This has been spoonfed to many young people who have not explored history beyond what they have been told by liberal educators.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/confederate-flag-racist_n_7639788.html
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Location: Broxton, Ga | bennie1 - 2015-11-28 8:04 PM
FinneyQuarterHorses - 2015-11-29 9:47 AM
Not too long ago, I had an old barrel mare named Sneaky Snot. She had funny little ears that heard everything, little pig eyes that roved back and forth like a searchlight looking for her chance to show the others who was boss, and a nose that tipped up at the end. But her most noticeable feature was her lily white coat. Man, it shone in the sun, and she thought she was beautiful.
The other horses in the corral were wary of Sneaky Snot. They just went about their business, and moved away when she walked by, but every once in a while, when they weren’t looking, ole Sneaky Snot would creep up behind them and just double clutch with both hind feet and send them flying for cover. Sneaky would prance off with a satisfied look on her face and go about her business. I never new why she did what she did, but she was especially aggressive wrapped in her red, white, and blue blanket, and mainly to the black and brown horses. I thought horses were color blind, but go figure. Maybe she was jealous because they could run faster and placed higher at the barrel races. I don’t know. Maybe it had just become habit since they had let Sneaky Snot get away with it for so long. Hard to tell.
Then one day, the other two horses had just had enough, I guess. Sneaky Snot was creepin’ slow, and Ole Brown and Ole Black just kept eatin’ and at the last minute, hooves started flying, snorts and squeals rang out, and Sneaky Snot took off like a shot, no longer top dog.
Friendless and unable to deal with her lost status, Sneaky Snot’s white coat dimmed, her head hung down in shame, and the arrogance just seemed to go out of her, replaced by resentment. Not wanting to see the once proud old girl suffer, I decided to let her go. I took her to the local horse sale, and since she was feeling low, I just ran her in loose. As the gavel fell on the end of an era, I couldn’t help but reminisce about ole Sneaky. She was something. I hope she got the home she deserved.
What a ridiculous analogy.
And I am glad I am not one of ole Finney's barrel mares no matter the color........seems to me she is fond of just dumping them when she is finished with them..........how sad.......... | |
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bennie1 - 2015-11-28 8:04 PM
FinneyQuarterHorses - 2015-11-29 9:47 AM
Not too long ago, I had an old barrel mare named Sneaky Snot. She had funny little ears that heard everything, little pig eyes that roved back and forth like a searchlight looking for her chance to show the others who was boss, and a nose that tipped up at the end. But her most noticeable feature was her lily white coat. Man, it shone in the sun, and she thought she was beautiful.
The other horses in the corral were wary of Sneaky Snot. They just went about their business, and moved away when she walked by, but every once in a while, when they weren’t looking, ole Sneaky Snot would creep up behind them and just double clutch with both hind feet and send them flying for cover. Sneaky would prance off with a satisfied look on her face and go about her business. I never new why she did what she did, but she was especially aggressive wrapped in her red, white, and blue blanket, and mainly to the black and brown horses. I thought horses were color blind, but go figure. Maybe she was jealous because they could run faster and placed higher at the barrel races. I don’t know. Maybe it had just become habit since they had let Sneaky Snot get away with it for so long. Hard to tell.
Then one day, the other two horses had just had enough, I guess. Sneaky Snot was creepin’ slow, and Ole Brown and Ole Black just kept eatin’ and at the last minute, hooves started flying, snorts and squeals rang out, and Sneaky Snot took off like a shot, no longer top dog.
Friendless and unable to deal with her lost status, Sneaky Snot’s white coat dimmed, her head hung down in shame, and the arrogance just seemed to go out of her, replaced by resentment. Not wanting to see the once proud old girl suffer, I decided to let her go. I took her to the local horse sale, and since she was feeling low, I just ran her in loose. As the gavel fell on the end of an era, I couldn’t help but reminisce about ole Sneaky. She was something. I hope she got the home she deserved.
What a ridiculous analogy.
And I am glad I am not one of ole Finney's barrel mares no matter the color........seems to me she is fond of just dumping them when she is finished with them..........how sad..........
As allegories or analogies go, this is pretty pathetic and really not germane to the situation. Even less so if a person has some understanding of equine behavior--this is some sort of fairy tale with no entertainment value. Just reinforces my opinion that critical thinking is no longer being taught. | |
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Location: West Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-11-30 10:08 AM
komet. - 2015-11-28 8:02 PM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 4:44 PM The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
The only reason lynching is a federal crime is because a lot of lawmakers were worried about winding up at the end of that rope!! (which is where most of them need to be )
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/confederate-flag-racist_n_7639788.html
History is one of those things that has suffered from real injustice in our learning system. Everything is much more complicated than the very brief synopsis that most are taught. Furthermore, there is definite agenda with many of the history being taught. I have been taught many things that were wrong. Critical thinking is a must.
The thing I find most interesting about history is the continuity of the results of it. Today, we are influenced drastically by events and cultures from sometimes thousands of years ago. Take the Civil War for example: We are still in this struggle today and though it isn't outwardly apparent, we are ever so slowly moving toward another division in this country. It never really was about slavery, and the divide never really left us. Don't believe me, look at the election results and polling on specific issues, geographically. There is a huge difference in what certain parts of this country believe and feel.
History repeats itself, every time. The reason is because human nature is ever constant and does not change with the times or the technology. This is exacerbated when the population is ignorant of its true past.
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| So to the people who ARE offended by the flag, what do you make of the Dukes of Hazzard? I never remember ANYTHING racist about that show at ALL - now all of the sudden it is?? When I was in college, I had the rebel flag as my curtain - it was because I loved the band Alabama - and it had NOTHING to do with racism. I think people are making up crap to be "offended" over these days - everybody is a victim. | |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | Bear - 2015-11-28 8:12 PM
This evil lop-eared bastard we have now seizes upon every opportunity to see the seeds of misery, strife, malaise, and division. He has taken every opportunity to divide us, both amongst ourselves here at home in the US and around the globe as well. You name it....Race, gender, class, ethnicity, and religion.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Red Raider gave a great history lesson. However, I do think we need a little more balance on this thread. First of all, the rebel flag (thankfully the name of the OP has changed) is NOT THE CONFEDERATE FLAG. It's a battle flag. But it's a popular one to fly.
This IS an actual flag of the Confederacy (there were a couple though).
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All that being said, when someone chooses to fly the Battle Jack they are doing so for a number of reasons. One is Southern Pride, but yes, inescapably, a number of other groups who ARE STRONGLY RACIST also fly this flag.
What does that mean for anyone who chooses to fly it? It means they need to be honest with themselves. They may fly it for reasons of southern pride, but others may associate it with racism. The complex and combined symbolisms are inescapable. And a good number of people on this board are either a) from the south or b) from a rural area. Both of which tend to be conservative and white. Thus we don't have much of a representation of the other view of this flag. But it exists.
So everyone can scream about people just getting their panties in a wad, political correctness, whatever, but this flag does mean racism to some people, not all people but some.
The original Latin terminology for a black person was 'negro' which only means black. They also called black people, 'boy.' Neither of those terms is offensive in the original but became offensive through later association and the ways they were used. The word 'faggot' in Anglo-Saxon simply means 'small stick to use as firewood.' But obviously it has a new meaning now. We cannot escape these new meanings and symbols no matter how much we scream, 'but it's just southern pride.' They are associated with prejudice. Some people knowingly adopt those prejudices; some just do because that's what their neighbors are doing.
That being said, I'm a big fan of freedom of speech. Anyone should have the right to fly this flag if they so choose, whatever the reason.
But IF you fly it, put it on your vehicle, etc., BE INFORMED AND BE AWARE that YES it can symbolize southern pride but it ALSO symbolizes racism. | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | oija - 2015-11-30 10:59 AM Red Raider gave a great history lesson. However, I do think we need a little more balance on this thread. First of all, the rebel flag (thankfully the name of the OP has changed) is NOT THE CONFEDERATE FLAG. It's a battle flag. But it's a popular one to fly. This IS an actual flag of the Confederacy (there were a couple though). All that being said, when someone chooses to fly the Battle Jack they are doing so for a number of reasons. One is Southern Pride, but yes, inescapably, a number of other groups who ARE STRONGLY RACIST also fly this flag. What does that mean for anyone who chooses to fly it? It means they need to be honest with themselves. They may fly it for reasons of southern pride, but others may associate it with racism. The complex and combined symbolisms are inescapable. And a good number of people on this board are either a) from the south or b) from a rural area. Both of which tend to be conservative and white. Thus we don't have much of a representation of the other view of this flag. But it exists. So everyone can scream about people just getting their panties in a wad, political correctness, whatever, but this flag does mean racism to some people, not all people but some. The original Latin terminology for a black person was 'negro' which only means black. They also called black people, 'boy.' Neither of those terms is offensive in the original but became offensive through later association and the ways they were used. The word 'faggot' in Anglo-Saxon simply means 'small stick to use as firewood.' But obviously it has a new meaning now. We cannot escape these new meanings and symbols no matter how much we scream, 'but it's just southern pride.' They are associated with prejudice. Some people knowingly adopt those prejudices; some just do because that's what their neighbors are doing. That being said, I'm a big fan of freedom of speech. Anyone should have the right to fly this flag if they so choose, whatever the reason. But IF you fly it, put it on your vehicle, etc., BE INFORMED AND BE AWARE that YES it can symbolize southern pride but it ALSO symbolizes racism.
I am not offended by much. But I do wonder if so many are offended by a flag flown by the Confederacy over 100 yrs ago, do these same people find white sheets offensive? Because we can really pick anything apart here. How about cotton and tobbaco. Do we have to stop using tobacco because they might find it offensive because 200 yrs ago their ancestors might have picked some? What about boats? Weren't they brought over on ships? We have far greater problems than worrying about an ol flag. I just read that somewhere on an Airforce base, they took down the MIA/POW table. Because of a BIBLE!! That Bible has gotten so many men through some tough times while fighting over seas, probably women too these days. Just like any post here on BHW. If you don't want to read it, for the love of all things holy, move on. | |
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| I simply posted this because of what ive been told and educated on. Thats why i said if you would like to further educate me on this topic, i would be happy to listen. I only saw it as a racism thing becuase of only the negative things and what people had told me. When i learned about the Civil War in school they mostly taught us that it was a racism thing. That is why i asked what the political views of it were. i want to know the hard facts of what happened. And if i still do have a opinion of thats racist its is simply my bussiness and we have the freedom to have our own opinions:) Am i gonna bash everyone who honors the flag? HECK NO! i accept everybody for what they are. BUT its different when people who have rebel flags and whatnot bash my for not liking it or make fun of me or call me stupid for not honoring Southern heritage and pride THEN i have a problem with it. But today alot of people dont even hang the flag to represent the Southern heritage and bein proud, they just have it becuase its "cool" but dont even actually "honor or present" the flag. Some are simply idiots and hang on the back of their trucks and act like wild studs that need to be tamed and taught to act right. At my Highschool Rodeos i hate to say this but about %80 of the boys(not Men lol ) have the flag hanging and theyre drinkng, being loud, spooking the horses, cursing infront of little kids, and ultimately giving "Southerners" A bad repuatation. Those boys use the flag as an excuse....Just my opinion. Everybody is entitled to there own opinion. I repsect that | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-30 1:38 PM
I simply posted this because of what ive been told and educated on. Thats why i said if you would like to further educate me on this topic, i would be happy to listen. I only saw it as a racism thing becuase of only the negative things and what people had told me. When i learned about the Civil War in school they mostly taught us that it was a racism thing. That is why i asked what the political views of it were. i want to know the hard facts of what happened. And if i still do have a opinion of thats racist its is simply my bussiness and we have the freedom to have our own opinions:) Am i gonna bash everyone who honors the flag? HECK NO! i accept everybody for what they are. BUT its different when people who have rebel flags and whatnot bash my for not liking it or make fun of me or call me stupid for not honoring Southern heritage and pride THEN i have a problem with it. But today alot of people dont even hang the flag to represent the Southern heritage and bein proud, they just have it becuase its "cool" but dont even actually "honor or present" the flag. Some are simply idiots and hang on the back of their trucks and act like wild studs that need to be tamed and taught to act right. At my Highschool Rodeos i hate to say this but about %80 of the boys(not Men lol ) have the flag hanging and theyre drinkng, being loud, spooking the horses, cursing infront of little kids, and ultimately giving "Southerners" A bad repuatation. Those boys use the flag as an excuse....Just my opinion. Everybody is entitled to there own opinion. I repsect that
I'm hoping you have taken some of what really happened with the Civil War from this post. Then you will have totally redeemed yourself lol
There are stupid people everywhere you go, it's too bad they are doing that at the HS rodeos. Around here they kept pretty tight rules on the drinking. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-11-30 2:56 PM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-30 1:38 PM I simply posted this because of what ive been told and educated on. Thats why i said if you would like to further educate me on this topic, i would be happy to listen. I only saw it as a racism thing becuase of only the negative things and what people had told me. When i learned about the Civil War in school they mostly taught us that it was a racism thing. That is why i asked what the political views of it were. i want to know the hard facts of what happened. And if i still do have a opinion of thats racist its is simply my bussiness and we have the freedom to have our own opinions:) Am i gonna bash everyone who honors the flag? HECK NO! i accept everybody for what they are. BUT its different when people who have rebel flags and whatnot bash my for not liking it or make fun of me or call me stupid for not honoring Southern heritage and pride THEN i have a problem with it. But today alot of people dont even hang the flag to represent the Southern heritage and bein proud, they just have it becuase its "cool" but dont even actually "honor or present" the flag. Some are simply idiots and hang on the back of their trucks and act like wild studs that need to be tamed and taught to act right. At my Highschool Rodeos i hate to say this but about %80 of the boys(not Men lol ) have the flag hanging and theyre drinkng, being loud, spooking the horses, cursing infront of little kids, and ultimately giving "Southerners" A bad repuatation. Those boys use the flag as an excuse....Just my opinion. Everybody is entitled to there own opinion. I repsect that I'm hoping you have taken some of what really happened with the Civil War from this post. Then you will have totally redeemed yourself lol There are stupid people everywhere you go, it's too bad they are doing that at the HS rodeos. Around here they kept pretty tight rules on the drinking.
Really if these are high school boys and they are drinking at HS rodeos then I think they need to be turned in for the drinking. Here in Texas thats a no go for the underaged drinking. So then you are in HS right? | |
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