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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I get the feeling they do absolutely everything to avoid attributing this to terrorism. 3 shooters with tactical weapons, wearing tactical garb, kill 14 and wound another 14, in about 3-4 minutes, escaping in a black SUV with heavily tinted windows. If this isn't a terrorist act of some sort, what is it? |
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| Bear - 2015-12-02 4:12 PM
I get the feeling they do absolutely everything to avoid attributing this to terrorism. 3 shooters with tactical weapons, wearing tactical garb, kill 14 and wound another 14, in about 3-4 minutes, escaping in a black SUV with heavily tinted windows. If this isn't a terrorist act of some sort, what is it?
Scott they are already blaming conservatives and the NRA or at least the talking heads on CNN are. Amassing absolutely no evidence as to who did this yet but some how it's the NRA. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | jbhoot - 2015-12-02 4:21 PM
Bear - 2015-12-02 4:12 PM
I get the feeling they do absolutely everything to avoid attributing this to terrorism. 3 shooters with tactical weapons, wearing tactical garb, kill 14 and wound another 14, in about 3-4 minutes, escaping in a black SUV with heavily tinted windows. If this isn't a terrorist act of some sort, what is it?
Scott they are already blaming conservatives and the NRA or at least the talking heads on CNN are. Amassing absolutely no evidence as to who did this yet but some how it's the NRA.
Ugh...Of course it's the NRA's fault...good grief. I'm not surprised they are trotting out that old chestnut. How anyone can blame an organization that promotes safe responsible gun ownership for ANY violence perpetrated by a nut bag or criminal is beyond my understanding. And yet...there are folks that will believe whatever they are spoon fed if it fits their agenda.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jbhoot - 2015-12-02 4:21 PM
Bear - 2015-12-02 4:12 PM
I get the feeling they do absolutely everything to avoid attributing this to terrorism. 3 shooters with tactical weapons, wearing tactical garb, kill 14 and wound another 14, in about 3-4 minutes, escaping in a black SUV with heavily tinted windows. If this isn't a terrorist act of some sort, what is it?
Scott they are already blaming conservatives and the NRA or at least the talking heads on CNN are. Amassing absolutely no evidence as to who did this yet but some how it's the NRA.
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| Bear - 2015-12-02 4:12 PM
I get the feeling they do absolutely everything to avoid attributing this to terrorism. 3 shooters with tactical weapons, wearing tactical garb, kill 14 and wound another 14, in about 3-4 minutes, escaping in a black SUV with heavily tinted windows. If this isn't a terrorist act of some sort, what is it?
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http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/12/shooters-still-active-in-california-hillary-co-already-tweeting-this/
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | On the contrary.....what this country needs is for more citizens to become proficient in the use of firearms and availability of conceal and carry permits.
If these bastards tried this in Texas, chances are the outcome wouldn't be nearly as bad. |
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Location: Heart of Texas | Bear - 2015-12-02 5:57 PM On the contrary.....what this country needs is for more citizens to become proficient in the use of firearms and availability of conceal and carry permits. If these bastards tried this in Texas, chances are the outcome wouldn't be nearly as bad.
Someone tried that in a movie theater around San Antonio a few years ago. Didn't work out too well. You won't hear that on the news though. Not sure on all the details, but I think an off duty cop was in the theater with a gun. I think it was a female cop. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-12-02 6:03 PM
Liberal friends on fb are already blaming guns.. go figure..
Of course they are. They blame everything on the 3 "G"s .....Guns, Global Warming, and George Bush.
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Location: So. California | I belive the SBPD caught up to them.
Allegedly, 3 gunmen wearing body armor came in to the building and started firing, at least one gunman was shooting in a conference room hosting some event.
This is a facility that helps disabled persons, so not sure why in the world this place was a target.
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Location: Northwest Florida | The response to this seems to be so backwards to me. After any shooting they jump up on the soap box to preach gun control.. How well are Cali's gun control laws serving them!
I agree, America needs to take action against the mass shooting. Take away "Gun Free Zones" and arm MORE law abinding citizens! We need to be able to protect ourselves, not count on the government and some paper work. It should be common knowledge that criminals don't follow laws... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Anniemae - 2015-12-02 6:28 PM
I belive the SBPD caught up to them.
Allegedly, 3 gunmen wearing body armor came in to the building and started firing, at least one gunman was shooting in a conference room hosting some event.
This is a facility that helps disabled persons, so not sure why in the world this place was a target.
I'll tell you why, Anniemae. Because terrorists are indescriminate murderers, that's why. I'm assuming these are terrorists. I mean what else could it be?
This is an example of a "soft target". It's easy pickings. They don't care WHO they kill. They just want to kill as much as possible, even if it means killing their own. This sends a message that they could target anything, anywhere.....HS gymnasiums, sporting events, shopping malls, churches, trains, planes, and busses. You name it. |
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| Bear - 2015-12-02 6:42 PM
Anniemae - 2015-12-02 6:28 PM
I belive the SBPD caught up to them.
Allegedly, 3 gunmen wearing body armor came in to the building and started firing, at least one gunman was shooting in a conference room hosting some event.
This is a facility that helps disabled persons, so not sure why in the world this place was a target.
I'll tell you why, Anniemae. Because terrorists are indescriminate murderers, that's why. I'm assuming these are terrorists. I mean what else could it be?
This is an example of a "soft target". It's easy pickings. They don't care WHO they kill. They just want to kill as much as possible, even if it means killing their own. This sends a message that they could target anything, anywhere.....HS gymnasiums, sporting events, shopping malls, churches, trains, planes, and busses. You name it.
To early to tell but this looks more like a professional hit to me. IMO they where after someone in that meeting/Christmas party. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Early reports say "middle eastern men" are the shooting suspects. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jbhoot - 2015-12-02 6:59 PM
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Anniemae - 2015-12-02 6:28 PM
I belive the SBPD caught up to them.
Allegedly, 3 gunmen wearing body armor came in to the building and started firing, at least one gunman was shooting in a conference room hosting some event.
This is a facility that helps disabled persons, so not sure why in the world this place was a target.
I'll tell you why, Anniemae. Because terrorists are indescriminate murderers, that's why. I'm assuming these are terrorists. I mean what else could it be?
This is an example of a "soft target". It's easy pickings. They don't care WHO they kill. They just want to kill as much as possible, even if it means killing their own. This sends a message that they could target anything, anywhere.....HS gymnasiums, sporting events, shopping malls, churches, trains, planes, and busses. You name it.
To early to tell but this looks more like a professional hit to me. IMO they where after someone in that meeting/Christmas party.
Guido doesn't whack people this way. Guido doesn't kill random bystanders...he's very precise. |
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Location: where the wind blows | Just announced a man and woman shooters both deceased. Looking for third. This horrible event sure reeks of terrorism. Prayers to those affected by this tragedy. |
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Location: So. California | Barnmom - 2015-12-02 5:22 PM Early reports say "middle eastern men" are the shooting suspects.
Actually, early today it was reported they were white. They could be white, black, hispanic, middle eastern, pink with green polka dots. LEO haven't released this information yet - other than one male, one female. No age, race or relationship to each other. The media is all over the map on this.
Somebody was after someone at that party. That building has several hundred employees. The event/party appears to be the target. So sad...
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Location: Florida.. | Anniemae - 2015-12-02 8:45 PM Barnmom - 2015-12-02 5:22 PM Early reports say "middle eastern men" are the shooting suspects. Actually, early today it was reported they were white. They could be white, black, hispanic, middle eastern, pink with green polka dots. LEO haven't released this information yet - other than one male, one female. No age, race or relationship to each other. The media is all over the map on this.
Somebody was after someone at that party. That building has several hundred employees. The event/party appears to be the target. So sad...
Prayers go out to all involved.
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Location: So. California | Bear - 2015-12-02 5:26 PM jbhoot - 2015-12-02 6:59 PM Bear - 2015-12-02 6:42 PM Anniemae - 2015-12-02 6:28 PM I belive the SBPD caught up to them.
Allegedly, 3 gunmen wearing body armor came in to the building and started firing, at least one gunman was shooting in a conference room hosting some event.
This is a facility that helps disabled persons, so not sure why in the world this place was a target.
I'll tell you why, Anniemae. Because terrorists are indescriminate murderers, that's why. I'm assuming these are terrorists. I mean what else could it be? This is an example of a "soft target". It's easy pickings. They don't care WHO they kill. They just want to kill as much as possible, even if it means killing their own. This sends a message that they could target anything, anywhere.....HS gymnasiums, sporting events, shopping malls, churches, trains, planes, and busses. You name it. To early to tell but this looks more like a professional hit to me. IMO they where after someone in that meeting/Christmas party. Guido doesn't whack people this way. Guido doesn't kill random bystanders...he's very precise.
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I belive the SBPD caught up to them.
Allegedly, 3 gunmen wearing body armor came in to the building and started firing, at least one gunman was shooting in a conference room hosting some event.
This is a facility that helps disabled persons, so not sure why in the world this place was a target.
I'll tell you why, Anniemae. Because terrorists are indescriminate murderers, that's why. I'm assuming these are terrorists. I mean what else could it be?
This is an example of a "soft target". It's easy pickings. They don't care WHO they kill. They just want to kill as much as possible, even if it means killing their own. This sends a message that they could target anything, anywhere.....HS gymnasiums, sporting events, shopping malls, churches, trains, planes, and busses. You name it.
To early to tell but this looks more like a professional hit to me. IMO they where after someone in that meeting/Christmas party.
Guido doesn't whack people this way. Guido doesn't kill random bystanders...he's very precise.
Who said a thing about Guido. Drugs? Mexico? Cartel? any of that ring a bell. But after hearing the latest report. And the way the FBI spokesman answered the questions you may be correct in thinking it was a terror attack. As I said to early to tell.
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Location: Here | Bibliafarm - 2015-12-02 7:44 PM some are saying this is one of them..
yep this one, one woman dead, one male suspect in custody
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Location: Florida.. | SG. - 2015-12-02 8:50 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-12-02 7:44 PM some are saying this is one of them..
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Location: In the wrong place at the wrong time | It is appalling how that POS in our white house and liberals like him politicize horrific acts like these to push their agendas down our throats but when it doesn't fit their narrative (like the mass shooting 10 days ago in New Orleans, where 17 people were shot by a black man) you don't hear a peep!
Also can not believe that POS stood in Paris the other day and said mass shootings only happen in the US......in PARIS he said that and you certainly won't hear that on mainstream media.
God help us, I believe it will come to light as a terror attack as well.
My prayers go out to all their loved ones
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Location: Florida.. | Cisco6340 - 2015-12-02 8:53 PM It is appalling how that POS in our white house and liberals like him politicize horrific acts like these to push their agendas down our throats but it doesn't fit their narrative (like the mass shooting 10 days ago in New Orleans, where 17 people were shot by a black man) you don't hear a peep! Also can not believe that POS stood in Paris the other day and said mass shootings only happen in the US......in PARIS he said that and you certainly won't hear that on mainstream media. God help us.
and hes welcoming them into our homeland.. with open arms meanwhile trying to remove our weapons.. yes God help us. |
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Location: In the wrong place at the wrong time | Bibliafarm - 2015-12-02 8:55 PM
Cisco6340 - 2015-12-02 8:53 PM It is appalling how that POS in our white house and liberals like him politicize horrific acts like these to push their agendas down our throats but it doesn't fit their narrative (like the mass shooting 10 days ago in New Orleans, where 17 people were shot by a black man) you don't hear a peep! Also can not believe that POS stood in Paris the other day and said mass shootings only happen in the US......in PARIS he said that and you certainly won't hear that on mainstream media. God help us.
and hes welcoming them into our homeland.. with open arms meanwhile trying to remove our weapons.. yes God help us.
Absolutely.....make us sitting ducks so we can be destroyed from within.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If a Mexican drug cartel ends up being to blame for this, I would think this kind of mass murder would be a first by a drug cartel. This is no different than the Paris incidents. Soft targets. Random killings with AK-47s, well planned. Organized crime doesn't operate this way.
When you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras. Hopefully, we will know the truth soon enough.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Bear - 2015-12-02 8:06 PM If a Mexican drug cartel ends up being to blame for this, I would think this kind of mass murder would be a first by a drug cartel. This is no different than the Paris incidents. Soft targets. Random killings with AK-47s, well planned. Organized crime doesn't operate this way. When you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras. Hopefully, we will know the truth soon enough.
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Now obama will be using this to tote his anti gun agenda. It's funny California has some of the toughest gun laws and still people that want to commit crimes of course will find ways to do it. Too bad the people on the building were not carrying. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | All the more reason we need to direct our attention to global climate change....so these incidents of workplace violence will be eliminated. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-12-02 7:55 PM
Cisco6340 - 2015-12-02 8:53 PM It is appalling how that POS in our white house and liberals like him politicize horrific acts like these to push their agendas down our throats but it doesn't fit their narrative (like the mass shooting 10 days ago in New Orleans, where 17 people were shot by a black man) you don't hear a peep! Also can not believe that POS stood in Paris the other day and said mass shootings only happen in the US......in PARIS he said that and you certainly won't hear that on mainstream media. God help us.
and hes welcoming them into our homeland.. with open arms meanwhile trying to remove our weapons.. yes God help us.
Yes. God help us. Please.
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Location: TEXAS | Bibliafarm - 2015-12-02 7:44 PM some are saying this is one of them..
I haven't seen where they have released any names? |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | RUKIDDING? - 2015-12-02 8:41 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-12-02 7:55 PM Cisco6340 - 2015-12-02 8:53 PM It is appalling how that POS in our white house and liberals like him politicize horrific acts like these to push their agendas down our throats but it doesn't fit their narrative (like the mass shooting 10 days ago in New Orleans, where 17 people were shot by a black man) you don't hear a peep! Also can not believe that POS stood in Paris the other day and said mass shootings only happen in the US......in PARIS he said that and you certainly won't hear that on mainstream media. God help us. and hes welcoming them into our homeland.. with open arms meanwhile trying to remove our weapons.. yes God help us. Yes. God help us. Please. We are at a war against an enemy the POTUS does not recognize and it is terrifying.
Make no mistake, he recognizes them, he just can't admit to being at war with his own kind. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | slacy09 - 2015-12-02 8:44 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-12-02 7:44 PM some are saying this is one of them..
They haven't released anything officially which says volumes to me. If the shooters were white Americans we would know everything about them already. |
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Location: Florida.. | slacy09 - 2015-12-02 9:44 PM Bibliafarm - 2015-12-02 7:44 PM some are saying this is one of them..
me either thats why I said some are saying this was one of them.not confirmed |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Anniemae - 2015-12-02 10:49 PM
He was a disgruntled employee...
Wow! I've been flying all night, so I missed the updates. So let me get this straight. This guy is pis$ed off at his work place. He leaves, picks up 2 accomplices, and 3 AK-47 s and they return in garb, to execute all these people. It's going to take quite a bit to get people to accept this story....particularly given his name. Anything's possible, I guess. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Tayeep: "Hi honey, you're home early. How was the Christmas party?"
Malik: "They pis$ed me off and said mean things"
Tayyeep: "That's awful.....let's go kill them. I'll grab the AKs, you grab the Smith and Wessons.....oh, should I bring the bombs too?"
Malik: "Yeah we might as well.....I think the bombs are in the pantry behind the cornflakes."
Tayyeep: "The flak vests are in the garage, and the stocking masks should be in the pockets."
Malik: "Good, sweetheart. When we are done let's sit down and plan the attack so we can hit them before the party's over."
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| Anniemae - 2015-12-02 10:49 PM He was a disgruntled employee...
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Location: Kansas | Bear - 2015-12-03 12:26 AM Tayeep: "Hi honey, you're home early. How was the Christmas party?" Malik: "They pis$ed me off and said mean things" Tayyeep: "That's awful.....let's go kill them. I'll grab the AKs, you grab the Smith and Wessons.....oh, should I bring the bombs too?" Malik: "Yeah we might as well.....I think the bombs are in the pantry behind the cornflakes." Tayyeep: "The flak vests are in the garage, and the stocking masks should be in the pockets." Malik: "Good, sweetheart. When we are done let's sit down and plan the attack so we can hit them before the party's over." That's probably how it went down. Typical scenario for workplace violence....right?
"We'll leave the baby off at Moms and grab her up on the way back from the party."
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I saw that on FB, thought tragedies were not to be politicized??? Isn't that what they said about Benghazi?? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rodeomom3 - 2015-12-03 7:05 AM
Frodo - 2015-12-03 6:56 AM Ho hum here we go again......blaming Republicans because they're all reacting with thoughts and prayers remarks instead of "let's strip all Americans of their guns, that'll show em." Gotta love the liberal press.
I saw that on FB, thought tragedies were not to be politicized??? Isn't that what they said about Benghazi??
Saul Alinski: "Never let a crisis go to waste."
With the help of the left wing media, there is a shift away from the obvious underlying cause, onto some diversion. They are making fun of people who are calling out for prayer for the victims and families. Just as they did with Benghazi, where they blamed a video, they are trying to label this as an example of workplace violence that would have been avoided with stricter gun control. The lame-brained among us buy into this. |
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| Bear - 2015-12-03 7:19 AM rodeomom3 - 2015-12-03 7:05 AM Frodo - 2015-12-03 6:56 AM Ho hum here we go again......blaming Republicans because they're all reacting with thoughts and prayers remarks instead of "let's strip all Americans of their guns, that'll show em." Gotta love the liberal press.
I saw that on FB, thought tragedies were not to be politicized??? Isn't that what they said about Benghazi?? Saul Alinski: "Never let a crisis go to waste." With the help of the left wing media, there is a shift away from the obvious underlying cause, onto some diversion. They are making fun of people who are calling out for prayer for the victims and families. Just as they did with Benghazi, where they blamed a video, they are trying to label this as an example of workplace violence that would have been avoided with stricter gun control. The lame-brained among us buy into this.
It is truly terrifying to read the comments supporting this propaganda. I am 55, our country has never been so divided and full of hate. Social media stirs the pot, there is no end to this. |
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Location: TEXAS | Anniemae - 2015-12-02 10:49 PM He was a disgruntled employee...
He wasn't disgruntled. He and his wife had actually mingled with them for 2 hours and they had thrown them a baby shower earlier at the party. They left, came back, and ................. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'm actually surprised that they've revealed as much as they have about this at this early stage. Usually they are pretty tight lipped about these things until they know more. What amazes me is that so many people are actually just buying into the narrative that this is a simple example of a disgruntled employee going postal, and we need more gun control to prevent this. That's what kills me. |
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What happened with the third? They said that they had one in custody?
I believe they said that person was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and after questioning they realized this person wasn't a suspect.
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I'm actually surprised that they've revealed as much as they have about this at this early stage. Usually they are pretty tight lipped about these things until they know more. What amazes me is that so many people are actually just buying into the narrative that this is a simple example of a disgruntled employee going postal, and we need more gun control to prevent this. That's what kills me.
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NJJ - 2015-12-03 8:56 AM
What happened with the third? They said that they had one in custody?
I believe they said that person was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and after questioning they realized this person wasn't a suspect.
Don't quote me on that though, I feel asleep with CNN on TV and I woke up in the middle of the night and listened for a little bit on the new information they had.
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What happened with the third? They said that they had one in custody?
I believe they said that person was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and after questioning they realized this person wasn't a suspect.
Don't quote me on that though, I feel asleep with CNN on TV and I woke up in the middle of the night and listened for a little bit on the new information they had.
i have heard that they have a 3rd suspect that legally purchased the firearms that were used....id on't know about whether or not that person is in custody
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| TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 9:29 AM
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NJJ - 2015-12-03 8:56 AM
What happened with the third? They said that they had one in custody?
I believe they said that person was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and after questioning they realized this person wasn't a suspect.
Don't quote me on that though, I feel asleep with CNN on TV and I woke up in the middle of the night and listened for a little bit on the new information they had.
i have heard that they have a 3rd suspect that legally purchased the firearms that were used....id on't know about whether or not that person is in custody
Two of the four weapons were purchased legally, they are investigating leads on the other two weapons.
Malik was from Pakistan, not Saudi Arabia as most news casts are reporting.
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| As soon as I heard the suspects names I immidiately thought Islamic Extremist terrorist....call me racist....but "the odds are...." I am so sick of these cowards. This was not a disgruntled employee, this was not a mental health issue....this was Islamic Extremist killing as many Americans, of all races and beliefs, because they could...the victims were sitting ducks. Our president is an IDIOT if he tries to play this off as anything else. I am not sure IDIOT even describes it..........TRAITOR is more like it. He is supposed to make a statement soon huh?
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NJJ - 2015-12-03 8:56 AM
What happened with the third? They said that they had one in custody?
I believe they said that person was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and after questioning they realized this person wasn't a suspect.
Don't quote me on that though, I feel asleep with CNN on TV and I woke up in the middle of the night and listened for a little bit on the new information they had.
I heard they took someone into custody who was fleeing but determined the same thing, that he wasn't involved, was just running from the scene. I would be running too. Who knows for sure though. |
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Location: Kansas | RidenFly - 2015-12-03 9:14 AM No words. Just devestated at both the act and the opinions of people on social media.
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Rudy Guiliani just expressed his opinion: "If you can't recognize this incident as terrorism then you're a moron." What a mean thing to say about the President.
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| Frodo - 2015-12-04 8:38 AM RidenFly - 2015-12-03 9:14 AM No words. Just devestated at both the act and the opinions of people on social media. So glad I don't Facebook. Tried but the political drama was more than I could stand.
I don't scare easily, but some of the rants on there were over the top and I go t really upset. One lady blamed Trump because he made fun of a disabled reporter so these shooters must be Trump supporters. Now this is an educated person that I respected. I deleted her then cried. I can't believe how much our country has changed. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | This was just so tragic.
My husband works for Loma Linda Childrens as a physician and I had a procedure done yesterday as well. I had just barely gone home and woke up a few hours later to my husband asking if I was okay and friends and family so concerned.
These people were our neighbors and I really wish I could understand.
What sucks is allegedly ISIS is praising what these people did. They haven't out right taken responsibility though.
I don't think I've hugged my husband with such urgency before. Either of us. Cause it could have been any of us. In fact, the residents have a rotation where they ride along with health inspectors and one of our residents was with that guy just a few months ago.
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Location: So. California | Bear - 2015-12-02 10:26 PM Tayeep: "Hi honey, you're home early. How was the Christmas party?" Malik: "They pis$ed me off and said mean things" Tayyeep: "That's awful.....let's go kill them. I'll grab the AKs, you grab the Smith and Wessons.....oh, should I bring the bombs too?" Malik: "Yeah we might as well.....I think the bombs are in the pantry behind the cornflakes." Tayyeep: "The flak vests are in the garage, and the stocking masks should be in the pockets." Malik: "Good, sweetheart. When we are done let's sit down and plan the attack so we can hit them before the party's over." That's probably how it went down. Typical scenario for workplace violence....right?
Oh come on now..... this is just plain ridiculous.
Obviously this situation had been in the planning stages for awhile. This was a terrorist attack carried out by a disgruntled employee; he did target his co-workers...
Were there other motivations? Don't know yet, but my guess is his wife had a lot more to do with this than what is being reported. What if SHE was the driving force behind this terrorist act? Hmmm....
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Location: So. California | Phxbarrel - 2015-12-03 9:16 AM This was just so tragic. My husband works for Loma Linda Childrens as a physician and I had a procedure done yesterday as well. I had just barely gone home and woke up a few hours later to my husband asking if I was okay and friends and family so concerned. These people were our neighbors and I really wish I could understand. What sucks is allegedly ISIS is praising what these people did. They haven't out right taken responsibility though. I don't think I've hugged my husband with such urgency before. Either of us. Cause it could have been any of us. In fact, the residents have a rotation where they ride along with health inspectors and one of our residents was with that guy just a few months ago. I wish I had words. My prayers and thoughts are with you, husband, colleagues, friends...
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Phxbarrel - 2015-12-03 11:16 AM This was just so tragic. My husband works for Loma Linda Childrens as a physician and I had a procedure done yesterday as well. I had just barely gone home and woke up a few hours later to my husband asking if I was okay and friends and family so concerned. These people were our neighbors and I really wish I could understand. What sucks is allegedly ISIS is praising what these people did. They haven't out right taken responsibility though. I don't think I've hugged my husband with such urgency before. Either of us. Cause it could have been any of us. In fact, the residents have a rotation where they ride along with health inspectors and one of our residents was with that guy just a few months ago. I wish I had words.
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Location: So. California | bullwoman - 2015-12-03 10:30 AM The latest news conference, suspects shot 65-75 rds. in the building, had 1400 rds. of 223 & 209 rds. of 9mm just in the car! The building they found 3 pipe bombs wrapped together, for some reason the remote didn't work. The home had 2,500 rds. of 223 & 2,000 rds. of 9mm, plus 12 pipe bombs! but our president doesn't believe this is terrorism, BS!
And 100's of shots were fired in the street where they suspects were in a gun battle with LEO. Bullets were flying everywhere, motorists diving for cover, bullets hitting nearby homes... The videos taken by locals/bystanders is scarier the heck!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Anniemae - 2015-12-03 11:18 AM
Bear - 2015-12-02 10:26 PM Tayeep: "Hi honey, you're home early. How was the Christmas party?" Malik: "They pis$ed me off and said mean things" Tayyeep: "That's awful.....let's go kill them. I'll grab the AKs, you grab the Smith and Wessons.....oh, should I bring the bombs too?" Malik: "Yeah we might as well.....I think the bombs are in the pantry behind the cornflakes." Tayyeep: "The flak vests are in the garage, and the stocking masks should be in the pockets." Malik: "Good, sweetheart. When we are done let's sit down and plan the attack so we can hit them before the party's over." That's probably how it went down. Typical scenario for workplace violence....right?
Oh come on now..... this is just plain ridiculous.
Obviously this situation had been in the planning stages for awhile. This was a terrorist attack carried out by a disgruntled employee; he did target his co-workers...
Were there other motivations? Don't know yet, but my guess is his wife had a lot more to do with this than what is being reported. What if SHE was the driving force behind this terrorist act? Hmmm....
Anniemae, do you have some inside information? Obviously I was being sarcastic, because I think it's safe to say that most people strongly suspect this is more than workplace violence or "terrorism" directed at an employee.
Yes, I think the guys wife was likely a driving force. The guy goes to Saudi Arabia, brings her back, and this happens a year later. It sounds like he was treated well at work. He was allowed to go home to pray while at work, several times a day. These people threw a baby shower for their baby. Calling this a terrorist attack directed at his work place sounds like an attempt to sanitize this horrible incident. This was planned and premeditated. You referred to him as a "disgruntled employee".....maybe that's what it's called in California, but not where I've lived. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rodeomom3 - 2015-12-03 5:33 AM
Anniemae - 2015-12-02 10:49 PM He was a disgruntled employee...
That's my take on this. The man became radicalized at some point and they picked out the soft target with which he was most familiar.....his work place and coworkers. He was "disgruntled" alright......disgruntled in America. |
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| we have a problem with trying to put one label on things........but not much fits into one label...paris fit one label.....radical islamic terrorism.....this does not....it appears radical islamic teachings were a big factor....also appears he was an unhappy employee....also was a native born united states citizen.....an american....his wife was not.....they lived in Redlands, CA.....i've lived there in Loma Linda....went to school there.....not a hotbed for terrorism.....nor liberalism....if you want to use labels.....use ALL the labels....don't just cherry pick |
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| RidenFly - 2015-12-03 12:11 PM
Frodo - 2015-12-04 8:38 AM RidenFly - 2015-12-03 9:14 AM No words. Just devestated at both the act and the opinions of people on social media. So glad I don't Facebook. Tried but the political drama was more than I could stand.
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| Anniemae - 2015-12-03 12:52 PM
bullwoman - 2015-12-03 10:30 AM The latest news conference, suspects shot 65-75 rds. in the building, had 1400 rds. of 223 & 209 rds. of 9mm just in the car! The building they found 3 pipe bombs wrapped together, for some reason the remote didn't work. The home had 2,500 rds. of 223 & 2,000 rds. of 9mm, plus 12 pipe bombs! but our president doesn't believe this is terrorism, BS!
And 100's of shots were fired in the street where they suspects were in a gun battle with LEO. Bullets were flying everywhere, motorists diving for cover, bullets hitting nearby homes... The videos taken by locals/bystanders is scarier the heck!
Terrifying but thank goodness they were stopped. The amount of amo and bombs they had has led to credible speculation that they had other targets besides his work place. |
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| Bear - 2015-12-03 1:19 PM
rodeomom3 - 2015-12-03 5:33 AM
Anniemae - 2015-12-02 10:49 PM He was a disgruntled employee...
That's my take on this. The man became radicalized at some point and they picked out the soft target with which he was most familiar.....his work place and coworkers. He was "disgruntled" alright......disgruntled in America.
I also wonder if he targeted his fellow employees as a way to atone so to speak for having made friends "with the enemy", partaking in the American way of life. A way to show other radicals " I really didn't mean to enjoy the American life." |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 1:20 PM
we have a problem with trying to put one label on things........but not much fits into one label...paris fit one label.....radical islamic terrorism.....this does not....it appears radical islamic teachings were a big factor....also appears he was an unhappy employee....also was a native born united states citizen.....an american....his wife was not.....they lived in Redlands, CA.....i've lived there in Loma Linda....went to school there.....not a hotbed for terrorism.....nor liberalism....if you want to use labels.....use ALL the labels....don't just cherry pick
This!
I live in Loma Linda and we are very accepting people.
The Islamic community which I am apart of (bash me if you want - everyone else does especially since I'm as white American as you get lol) is completely distraught over the whole situation.
If he was radicalized - well, ISIS wants these radicalized people to attack Americans. They feed off of it. On Twitter they call for action. They call for these people "lions" to attack people...
Why? Because America attacks Syria and we kill a lot of their men, women, & a lot of children. In Isis' eyes it is payback. It's not senseless terrorism, it's a reaction to what is happening in the middle east.
The only reason I know this is because I pay attention to Twitter. I don't agree with it. The Islamic community wants peace. Heck, they/we are lucky if we are able to get the 5 prayers in a day lol.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Just wait and see......the liberal press is going to somehow figure out a way to blame (pick any conservative candidate). They will say Trump or Cruz or Rubio provoked this "workplace violence" just like they blame the NRA for all gun related deaths.
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Location: So. California | Bear - 2015-12-03 10:58 AM Anniemae - 2015-12-03 11:18 AM Bear - 2015-12-02 10:26 PM Tayeep: "Hi honey, you're home early. How was the Christmas party?" Malik: "They pis$ed me off and said mean things" Tayyeep: "That's awful.....let's go kill them. I'll grab the AKs, you grab the Smith and Wessons.....oh, should I bring the bombs too?" Malik: "Yeah we might as well.....I think the bombs are in the pantry behind the cornflakes." Tayyeep: "The flak vests are in the garage, and the stocking masks should be in the pockets." Malik: "Good, sweetheart. When we are done let's sit down and plan the attack so we can hit them before the party's over." That's probably how it went down. Typical scenario for workplace violence....right? Oh come on now..... this is just plain ridiculous.
Obviously this situation had been in the planning stages for awhile. This was a terrorist attack carried out by a disgruntled employee; he did target his co-workers...
Were there other motivations? Don't know yet, but my guess is his wife had a lot more to do with this than what is being reported. What if SHE was the driving force behind this terrorist act? Hmmm....
Anniemae, do you have some inside information? Obviously I was being sarcastic, because I think it's safe to say that most people strongly suspect this is more than workplace violence or "terrorism" directed at an employee. Yes, I think the guys wife was likely a driving force. The guy goes to Saudi Arabia, brings her back, and this happens a year later. It sounds like he was treated well at work. He was allowed to go home to pray while at work, several times a day. These people threw a baby shower for their baby. Calling this a terrorist attack directed at his work place sounds like an attempt to sanitize this horrible incident. This was planned and premeditated. You referred to him as a "disgruntled employee".....maybe that's what it's called in California, but not where I've lived.
I understand your original post was tongue n cheek...
What can't these suspects be all of the things posted? Disgruntled employee (confirmed he left the party 'angry' by LEO), Terrorist (his actions proved he committed an act of terror), maybe Islamic terrorist, wifey in on the planning, etc... To discount any reason this early in, just doesn't make sense, LEO is keeping all options on the table. Whatever label you want to put on it, it was a horrific act of violence that caused 14 deaths, multiple injuries and a shoot out with HUNDREDS of bullets on our public streets!
I prefer to wait and let LEO do their job before jumping to conclusions. Keep all options on the table, just don't pin ONE label on this horrible act and call it a done deal. Rarely are these mass killings that easy to define. It's multi-layered, multi-dimentional...
We do receive local coverage which is much more personal than the national coverage. More interviews with witnesses, more vidoes, etc...
I think we are on the same page, just a matter of symatics or what label you choose to use.
Continued prayers for the victims and community.
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Location: Central Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-03 2:57 PM
Why are they only showing a picture of him and not her? Just a thought.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ampratt - 2015-12-03 3:14 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-03 2:57 PM Why are they only showing a picture of him and not her? Just a thought. We think alike. I want to see her picture!
I think its strange that only his picture is being shown, she did the killing's too so why not her picture to.. I know that he was born here but was she? I wonder if she was the ring leader and called all the shots in these killings.. |
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ampratt - 2015-12-03 3:14 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-03 2:57 PM Why are they only showing a picture of him and not her? Just a thought. We think alike. I want to see her picture!
She was not......She was born in pakistan and they were married in Mecca a couple years ago.........she was here on a K-1 visa....which doesn't make sense so i wouldn't quote that
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How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist?
you could be a bank robber.....
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | komet. - 2015-12-03 4:11 PM How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist?
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komet. - 2015-12-03 4:11 PM
How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist?
you could be a bank robber.....
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Location: Arkansas | Frodo - 2015-12-03 8:50 AM
Rudy Guiliani just expressed his opinion: "If you can't recognize this incident as terrorism then you're a moron." What a mean thing to say about the President.
Ok that made me snort thru my nose
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Mike Wetzel, 37, of Lake Arrowhead, a rangy environmental health specialist with San Bernadino County who, according to the Los Angeles Times, loved children and coached both boys’ and girls’ soccer. He left behind six children, who appeared to range from teens to an infant. |
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TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 4:15 PM
komet. - 2015-12-03 4:11 PM
How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist?
you could be a bank robber.....
well driller......
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explosive engineer.....
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Pipe bombs? I didn't say explosives.... All of our armed forces have explosives... Why don't you go TROLL somewhere else??
those would be explosives, Mr. Explosive Tech...oh wait.....i get it now....pipe bombs are to explosives, what work place violence is to radical religious terrorism
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Location: Kansas | Guess what. Two of the terrorists involved in the Paris attack were recruited from Syrian refugee camps in Hungary (ugly lookin' dudes). Question is were they terrorists disguised as refugees or refugees easily enticed into terrorism. Doesn't matter much.
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TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 1:20 PM
we have a problem with trying to put one label on things........but not much fits into one label...paris fit one label.....radical islamic terrorism.....this does not....it appears radical islamic teachings were a big factor....also appears he was an unhappy employee....also was a native born united states citizen.....an american....his wife was not.....they lived in Redlands, CA.....i've lived there in Loma Linda....went to school there.....not a hotbed for terrorism.....nor liberalism....if you want to use labels.....use ALL the labels....don't just cherry pick
This!
I live in Loma Linda and we are very accepting people.
The Islamic community which I am apart of (bash me if you want - everyone else does especially since I'm as white American as you get lol ) is completely distraught over the whole situation.
If he was radicalized - well, ISIS wants these radicalized people to attack Americans. They feed off of it. On Twitter they call for action. They call for these people "lions" to attack people...
Why? Because America attacks Syria and we kill a lot of their men, women, & a lot of children. In Isis' eyes it is payback. It's not senseless terrorism, it's a reaction to what is happening in the middle east.
The only reason I know this is because I pay attention to Twitter. I don't agree with it. The Islamic community wants peace. Heck, they/we are lucky if we are able to get the 5 prayers in a day lol.
This is something I am genuinely interested in, so please don't take offense to it; if Muslims here in the US are as outraged by this as you say, then why are no Islamic organizations coming out to condemn all of this violence? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Frodo - 2015-12-04 9:38 AM Another heads up, seems the "wife" involved in the California attack had pledged allegience to ISIS online.
Pres still clinging to "workplace violence" story.
Obama stated in his book that if the tides turned he would stick with his Muslim Brothers. He is and always has. He is good at jumping to conclusions when it comes to have anything to do with cops. He proved that when he first came into office and stayed true to his hate for them. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-04 8:35 AM
komet. - 2015-12-03 5:46 PM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 4:15 PM
komet. - 2015-12-03 4:11 PM
How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist?
you could be a bank robber.....
well driller......
miner........
explosive engineer.....
magician.....
alaskan....
Pipe bombs? I didn't say explosives.... All of our armed forces have explosives... Why don't you go TROLL somewhere else??
those would be explosives, Mr. Explosive Tech...oh wait.....i get it now....pipe bombs areto explosives, what work place violence is to radical religious terrorism
No... You don't get anything . None of the people in occupations you listed keep explosives in their cupboard. Certainly not in the form of pipe bombs. |
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Location: Kansas | Nevertooold - 2015-12-04 10:56 AM
Frodo - 2015-12-04 9:38 AM Another heads up, seems the "wife" involved in the California attack had pledged allegience to ISIS online.
Pres still clinging to "workplace violence" story.
Obama stated in his book that if the tides turned he would stick with his Muslim Brothers. He is and always has. He is good at jumping to conclusions when it comes to have anything to do with cops. He proved that when he first came into office and stayed true to his hate for them.
Cops and military. Do you know how often he visits our troops in foreign countries, a priority with other presidents. Never. Only when he vacations in Hawaii.....drops off at a local base for a photo op. |
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| komet. - 2015-12-04 11:37 AM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-04 8:35 AM
komet. - 2015-12-03 5:46 PM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 4:15 PM
komet. - 2015-12-03 4:11 PM
How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist?
you could be a bank robber.....
well driller......
miner........
explosive engineer.....
magician.....
alaskan....
Pipe bombs? I didn't say explosives.... All of our armed forces have explosives... Why don't you go TROLL somewhere else??
those would be explosives, Mr. Explosive Tech...oh wait.....i get it now....pipe bombs areto explosives, what work place violence is to radical religious terrorism
No... You don't get anything . None of the people in occupations you listed keep explosives in their cupboard. Certainly not in the form of pipe bombs.
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Location: Buffalo, TX | HarlanLivesOn - 2015-12-04 10:04 AM Phxbarrel - 2015-12-03 12:40 PM TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 1:20 PM we have a problem with trying to put one label on things........but not much fits into one label...paris fit one label.....radical islamic terrorism.....this does not....it appears radical islamic teachings were a big factor....also appears he was an unhappy employee....also was a native born united states citizen.....an american....his wife was not.....they lived in Redlands, CA.....i've lived there in Loma Linda....went to school there.....not a hotbed for terrorism.....nor liberalism....if you want to use labels.....use ALL the labels....don't just cherry pick This! I live in Loma Linda and we are very accepting people. The Islamic community which I am apart of (bash me if you want - everyone else does especially since I'm as white American as you get lol ) is completely distraught over the whole situation. If he was radicalized - well, ISIS wants these radicalized people to attack Americans. They feed off of it. On Twitter they call for action. They call for these people "lions" to attack people... Why? Because America attacks Syria and we kill a lot of their men, women, & a lot of children. In Isis' eyes it is payback. It's not senseless terrorism, it's a reaction to what is happening in the middle east. The only reason I know this is because I pay attention to Twitter. I don't agree with it. The Islamic community wants peace. Heck, they/we are lucky if we are able to get the 5 prayers in a day lol. This is something I am genuinely interested in, so please don't take offense to it; if Muslims here in the US are as outraged by this as you say, then why are no Islamic organizations coming out to condemn all of this violence?
Maybe Donald Trump was onto something when he said go after their families because, even though the families were sent back to the Middle East before the 911 attack, they all knew it was coming and stayed complicit in this attack against the USA...they want their families to live, so they aren't all in 100% for the "cause" for the caliphate...jmo...edited for spelling
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The FBI is treating this as a terrorist attack.. |
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| So. It's interesting that we can investigate and perform surveillance without a warrant. LE can raid your home and literally kill you if you resist in any way. All because you voice your free speech rights in any manner that may incite violence. And any violence that was performed based on your comments will be directly attributable and charged against you.
Yet active involvement in association with racial religious propaganda does not affiliate the crime with that group.
So basically, if you think ISIS is right on in their beliefs and actions, and you get your inspiration from them, and subsequently act on it, they are still not associated with that activity??????????
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Location: That part of Texas | HarlanLivesOn - 2015-12-04 10:04 AM This is something I am genuinely interested in, so please don't take offense to it; if Muslims here in the US are as outraged by this as you say, then why are no Islamic organizations coming out to condemn all of this violence?
They have -- they just aren't getting as much media play and attention as others are. |
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Location: Kansas | If you go to www.foxnews.com you can see a tour of the home. Interesting mix of diapers and ammo. Place looks pretty grungy. Good the baby is with her grandparents. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | HarlanLivesOn - 2015-12-04 10:04 AM
Phxbarrel - 2015-12-03 12:40 PM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 1:20 PM
we have a problem with trying to put one label on things........but not much fits into one label...paris fit one label.....radical islamic terrorism.....this does not....it appears radical islamic teachings were a big factor....also appears he was an unhappy employee....also was a native born united states citizen.....an american....his wife was not.....they lived in Redlands, CA.....i've lived there in Loma Linda....went to school there.....not a hotbed for terrorism.....nor liberalism....if you want to use labels.....use ALL the labels....don't just cherry pick
This!
I live in Loma Linda and we are very accepting people.
The Islamic community which I am apart of (bash me if you want - everyone else does especially since I'm as white American as you get lol ) is completely distraught over the whole situation.
If he was radicalized - well, ISIS wants these radicalized people to attack Americans. They feed off of it. On Twitter they call for action. They call for these people "lions" to attack people...
Why? Because America attacks Syria and we kill a lot of their men, women, & a lot of children. In Isis' eyes it is payback. It's not senseless terrorism, it's a reaction to what is happening in the middle east.
The only reason I know this is because I pay attention to Twitter. I don't agree with it. The Islamic community wants peace. Heck, they/we are lucky if we are able to get the 5 prayers in a day lol.
This is something I am genuinely interested in, so please don't take offense to it; if Muslims here in the US are as outraged by this as you say, then why are no Islamic organizations coming out to condemn all of this violence?
In further reply to your question - they do!
Every Muslim I know is so ashamed of these people.
The Quran condemns killing people - even for religious reasons.
Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”
If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256)
But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,” 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”
There are more parts that I could quote, but these get the point across.
The Islamic Center of Loma Linda/Redlands is holding a vigil on Sunday for the victims as well. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | Also Im not sure how true this is, but one of my friends is saying that Ontario Mills Mall is on lockdown and that there is more suspected terrorism that will be under way.
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Location: Buffalo, TX | Red Raider - 2015-12-04 2:14 PM HarlanLivesOn - 2015-12-04 10:04 AM This is something I am genuinely interested in, so please don't take offense to it; if Muslims here in the US are as outraged by this as you say, then why are no Islamic organizations coming out to condemn all of this violence? They have -- they just aren't getting as much media play and attention as others are.
Yes, I see them on Fox mainly and Glen Beck show, but they can't get the Muslim population to support them in public....what they need is a million man Muslim march denouncing radical Islam terrorism, but it ain't happening.... |
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| Phxbarrel - 2015-12-05 12:37 PM
HarlanLivesOn - 2015-12-04 10:04 AM
Phxbarrel - 2015-12-03 12:40 PM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 1:20 PM
we have a problem with trying to put one label on things........but not much fits into one label...paris fit one label.....radical islamic terrorism.....this does not....it appears radical islamic teachings were a big factor....also appears he was an unhappy employee....also was a native born united states citizen.....an american....his wife was not.....they lived in Redlands, CA.....i've lived there in Loma Linda....went to school there.....not a hotbed for terrorism.....nor liberalism....if you want to use labels.....use ALL the labels....don't just cherry pick
This!
I live in Loma Linda and we are very accepting people.
The Islamic community which I am apart of (bash me if you want - everyone else does especially since I'm as white American as you get lol ) is completely distraught over the whole situation.
If he was radicalized - well, ISIS wants these radicalized people to attack Americans. They feed off of it. On Twitter they call for action. They call for these people "lions" to attack people...
Why? Because America attacks Syria and we kill a lot of their men, women, & a lot of children. In Isis' eyes it is payback. It's not senseless terrorism, it's a reaction to what is happening in the middle east.
The only reason I know this is because I pay attention to Twitter. I don't agree with it. The Islamic community wants peace. Heck, they/we are lucky if we are able to get the 5 prayers in a day lol.
This is something I am genuinely interested in, so please don't take offense to it; if Muslims here in the US are as outraged by this as you say, then why are no Islamic organizations coming out to condemn all of this violence?
In further reply to your question - they do!
Every Muslim I know is so ashamed of these people.
The Quran condemns killing people - even for religious reasons.
Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted ). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”
If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256 )
But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61 ) The Quran chapter “The Cow,” 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”
There are more parts that I could quote, but these get the point across.
The Islamic Center of Loma Linda/Redlands is holding a vigil on Sunday for the victims as well.
That's all fine and dandy but Muslims/Islam has ALWAYS had radicalization and when otheR religions learned not to kill for religion Muslims/Islamic people's have not learned this |
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Location: That part of Texas | aqhabarrelchic1 - 2015-12-04 10:11 PM That's all fine and dandy but Muslims/Islam has ALWAYS had radicalization and when otheR religions learned not to kill for religion Muslims/Islamic people's have not learned this
I wouldn't be so quick to say that Islam is the only religion that has a problem with it's members being radicalized. Living in America, we sometimes forget that there are things taking place in other parts of the world where Christians are not behaving so angelic and have committed horrible acts of their own. It's not around us on a daily basis so it's easy to forget but the question remains: How do we as Christians justify those actions to the people who are affected by them? Do we have a duty to speak up about something going on in Africa or India? Why do we as Americans hold all Muslims accountable to do this type of "speaking up" after a tragic event but we don't hold ourselves to the same standards when it happens because of Christian radicals?
If someone from Uganda approached you and asked why Christians allow a group like the Lord's Resistance Army to do what they do, how would you respond? Most people are going to say "Christian's aren't like that", the things the LRA does isn't supported by mainstream Christianity and that they aren't true Christians. Most Muslims would say the same thing in turn about ISIS. You know it's bad when Al-Queda doesn't want to have anything to do with them because even they (who are pretty extreme themselves) say ISIS and it's leaders are too radical and will hurt the aims of Al-Queda because of what they are doing. Osama bin Laden himself was against the formation of ISIS and for the things they were trying to bring into fruition because he didn't agree with their philosophy, timing of events they are trying to make happen and the brutal tactics they were using to reach their aims. If Osama bin Laden was against them, where do you think most Muslims are going to be?
Given the political climates in certain parts of the world, I think it's only by luck that there are not more radical Christian groups like the Lord's Resistance Army in existence in those areas who lack a strong government or leadership. I can easily see certain Christian groups coming into play or otherwise being formed if enough ISIS-inspired attacks keep occuring throughout the world or jihad related killing keep happening with those groups focused on either repaying the favor by attacking Muslims or mosques or doing much worse. White Supremacist groups were already on the rise in America before ISIS and even now, the Syrian refugee debate, were on most American's minds. I don't think it's a question of "If" but "When" we may possibly see some of these groups acting out upon "Christian" beliefs (as they profess) and doing damage to those they feel they are entitled to. It will then be our turn as Christians to step up and make the speech we are wanting so many Muslims to do right now.
I'm not saying that I don't think Muslims should say something or otherwise affirm that they don't hold those beliefs or even speak out against what is going on. I hope out of these tragedies that more people start asking questions about Islam, become educated at least on basic fundamentals and something good like mutual respect can become more common between the two religions and their followers. Maybe that's the good that will come out of it all. I just think that Christians shouldn't be so smug in the belief that we won't have to do the same in the future or that we possibly don't owe an explanation to certain people right now (like Western Africans) like we are expecting out of the Muslim population. |
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| Cindy Hamilton - 2015-12-04 2:44 PM
Red Raider - 2015-12-04 2:14 PM HarlanLivesOn - 2015-12-04 10:04 AM This is something I am genuinely interested in, so please don't take offense to it; if Muslims here in the US are as outraged by this as you say, then why are no Islamic organizations coming out to condemn all of this violence? They have -- they just aren't getting as much media play and attention as others are.
There is no radical islam. There is just islam. The ones not killing, raping, stoning, cutting clits, etc. are supporting the others. Any koranimal spewing against jihad is practicing taquiya. There is also not a "refugee crisis." It's ****lamic invasion, hijrah. |
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| Red Raider - 2015-12-05 12:45 PM
aqhabarrelchic1 - 2015-12-04 10:11 PM That's all fine and dandy but Muslims/Islam has ALWAYS had radicalization and when otheR religions learned not to kill for religion Muslims/Islamic people's have not learned this
I wouldn't be so quick to say that Islam is the only religion that has a problem with it's members being radicalized. Living in America, we sometimes forget that there are things taking place in other parts of the world where Christians are not behaving so angelic and have committed horrible acts of their own. It's not around us on a daily basis so it's easy to forget but the question remains: How do we as Christians justify those actions to the people who are affected by them? Do we have a duty to speak up about something going on in Africa or India? Why do we as Americans hold all Muslims accountable to do this type of "speaking up" after a tragic event but we don't hold ourselves to the same standards when it happens because of Christian radicals?
If someone from Uganda approached you and asked why Christians allow a group like the Lord's Resistance Army to do what they do, how would you respond? Most people are going to say "Christian's aren't like that", the things the LRA does isn't supported by mainstream Christianity and that they aren't true Christians. Most Muslims would say the same thing in turn about ISIS. You know it's bad when Al-Queda doesn't want to have anything to do with them because even they (who are pretty extreme themselves) say ISIS and it's leaders are too radical and will hurt the aims of Al-Queda because of what they are doing. Osama bin Laden himself was against the formation of ISIS and for the things they were trying to bring into fruition because he didn't agree with their philosophy, timing of events they are trying to make happen and the brutal tactics they were using to reach their aims. If Osama bin Laden was against them, where do you think most Muslims are going to be?
Given the political climates in certain parts of the world, I think it's only by luck that there are not more radical Christian groups like the Lord's Resistance Army in existence in those areas who lack a strong government or leadership. I can easily see certain Christian groups coming into play or otherwise being formed if enough ISIS-inspired attacks keep occuring throughout the world or jihad related killing keep happening with those groups focused on either repaying the favor by attacking Muslims or mosques or doing much worse. White Supremacist groups were already on the rise in America before ISIS and even now, the Syrian refugee debate, were on most American's minds. I don't think it's a question of "If" but "When" we may possibly see some of these groups acting out upon "Christian" beliefs (as they profess) and doing damage to those they feel they are entitled to. It will then be our turn as Christians to step up and make the speech we are wanting so many Muslims to do right now.
I'm not saying that I don't think Muslims should say something or otherwise affirm that they don't hold those beliefs or even speak out against what is going on. I hope out of these tragedies that more people start asking questions about Islam, become educated at least on basic fundamentals and something good like mutual respect can become more common between the two religions and their followers. Maybe that's the good that will come out of it all. I just think that Christians shouldn't be so smug in the belief that we won't have to do the same in the future or that we possibly don't owe an explanation to certain people right now (like Western Africans) like we are expecting out of the Muslim population.
So my question isn't necessarily exactly related to your post, but what you wrote reminded me of a question someone brought up last week. If the San Bernardino event is considered terrorism (and I'll preface this by saying I absolutely agree that it is), why is the attack on Planned Parenthood a few weeks ago not considered terrorism by a radical as well?
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Location: SE Louisiana | Red Raider - 2015-12-05 12:45 PM
aqhabarrelchic1 - 2015-12-04 10:11 PM That's all fine and dandy but Muslims/Islam has ALWAYS had radicalization and when otheR religions learned not to kill for religion Muslims/Islamic people's have not learned this
I wouldn't be so quick to say that Islam is the only religion that has a problem with it's members being radicalized. Living in America, we sometimes forget that there are things taking place in other parts of the world where Christians are not behaving so angelic and have committed horrible acts of their own. It's not around us on a daily basis so it's easy to forget but the question remains: How do we as Christians justify those actions to the people who are affected by them? Do we have a duty to speak up about something going on in Africa or India? Why do we as Americans hold all Muslims accountable to do this type of "speaking up" after a tragic event but we don't hold ourselves to the same standards when it happens because of Christian radicals?
If someone from Uganda approached you and asked why Christians allow a group like the Lord's Resistance Army to do what they do, how would you respond? Most people are going to say "Christian's aren't like that", the things the LRA does isn't supported by mainstream Christianity and that they aren't true Christians. Most Muslims would say the same thing in turn about ISIS. You know it's bad when Al-Queda doesn't want to have anything to do with them because even they (who are pretty extreme themselves) say ISIS and it's leaders are too radical and will hurt the aims of Al-Queda because of what they are doing. Osama bin Laden himself was against the formation of ISIS and for the things they were trying to bring into fruition because he didn't agree with their philosophy, timing of events they are trying to make happen and the brutal tactics they were using to reach their aims. If Osama bin Laden was against them, where do you think most Muslims are going to be?
Given the political climates in certain parts of the world, I think it's only by luck that there are not more radical Christian groups like the Lord's Resistance Army in existence in those areas who lack a strong government or leadership. I can easily see certain Christian groups coming into play or otherwise being formed if enough ISIS-inspired attacks keep occuring throughout the world or jihad related killing keep happening with those groups focused on either repaying the favor by attacking Muslims or mosques or doing much worse. White Supremacist groups were already on the rise in America before ISIS and even now, the Syrian refugee debate, were on most American's minds. I don't think it's a question of "If" but "When" we may possibly see some of these groups acting out upon "Christian" beliefs (as they profess) and doing damage to those they feel they are entitled to. It will then be our turn as Christians to step up and make the speech we are wanting so many Muslims to do right now.
I'm not saying that I don't think Muslims should say something or otherwise affirm that they don't hold those beliefs or even speak out against what is going on. I hope out of these tragedies that more people start asking questions about Islam, become educated at least on basic fundamentals and something good like mutual respect can become more common between the two religions and their followers. Maybe that's the good that will come out of it all. I just think that Christians shouldn't be so smug in the belief that we won't have to do the same in the future or that we possibly don't owe an explanation to certain people right now (like Western Africans) like we are expecting out of the Muslim population.
The difference is, Christians make the effort. It was Christians in this country that made the successful effort to squash the KKK. Muslims seem to care about nothing except spreading Islam while making little or no effort to clean up the mess they are leaving behind. |
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San Bernadino shooting....3 assailants.