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| Joint supplements for a older barrel horse? Also what do you recommend for a extremely nervous horse before a run? I was going to try a calming supplement, but didn't know which one. What all do you give you're older barrel horses? Thank you! :) this may sound stupid but why do you feed beet pulp and rice bran? I know a lot of ppl do and just want to know the benefits to adding it to their feed. |
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| I have a arthritic kids horse. These seems to help and not break the bank.
http://www.horse.com/item/naturvet-arthrisoothe-gold-liquid/SLT1016...
I might try the Prime Performance FLX Senior next winter so I don't have to haul the liquid in and out of the house to keep it from freezing.
I have done a lot of research on Flax seed and long term effects on an arthritic horse so I'm giving him 1/2 cup whole flax every day, we'll see next winter if he needs any extra joint juice.
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Location: NE Texas | In considering joint issues and maintenance, it's arthritis we're discussing. The question that needs to be asked is how to prevent further bone damage due to arthritis. The boney change that is there cannot be improved, but what can be improved upon is managing the inflammation (arthritis) that causes the boney change. I choose Cur-OST, as it directly targets the hind gut where most inflammation in the body begins. There is a direct link in diet to inflammation in the body and many will tell you that they have less aches and pains with there arthritis when they eat a clean diet. The Cur-OST contains high levels of bcm-95 Curcurmin, combined with other powerful herbs, to target the source of the inflammation, not just the symptoms that are already there. Not to mention the other valuable benefit received through this process, as it will improve all other inflammatory issues as well....they are all related and tied in to the gut. At some point, we all deal with arthritic changes in both ourselves and our horses simply due to age and overuse/repitition of our bodies. Looking at this from a "which comes first, the chicken or the egg" scenario, if we manage the inflammation at a cellular level, could the inflammation that leads to the boney change be lessened, and if so, would boney changes ever occur? Maybe. Prevention is worth a pound of cure for me, and I prefer to spend a little more on these products and my hay and less on commercial/processed feeds to ensure i'm providing the body with the proper nutrients to not only deter inflammation in the hind gut, but to manage it throughout the entire body in hopes to keep these boney changes that lead to arthritis at a minimum.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | THE has a new joint supplement called Joint Flex. The first 3 ingredients are Glucosamine, Chondroitin and Tumeric. As with all their products, it has a money back guarantee. They also have Calming Cookies and Calming Powder if you have a horse that doesn't eat cookies. They are all natural and are show legal. pm me your address and I can send you a sample bag of the cookies complete with holiday designs |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I second Cur-Ost. My little mare fractured her patella in 2011 and was on a regimen of Previcoxx for sometime. She is also a highwire act, bi-polar/adhd with a side of over reactive. She overcame the patella but I'd been leary of running her in two day races since because of the stifle, just dint' want to over stress it. Then in 2014 she was diagnosed with kidney and bladder stones. We have managed to keep her kidneys functioning at a high enough level to warrant the removal of the bladder stone. I had been using a product called Neoprofin AVF to help with inflammation for the stifle but because it is an enzyme I had to give it 3x a day which at times was difficult.
Then I found Cur-Ost and put her on the Total Support after talking to Dr. Schell and my vets who had dealt with the kidney issues. We went to our first 2 day race since 2010 in NOvember and her first indoor race in 3 years. Normally she is a mess at the trailer, wont' eat, wont' drink, paws, stomps, kicks. This time totally chill at the trailer without being lethargic, ate her hay, level headed in the warm up pen.
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| Cut Ost Total Support. I was skeptical of it at first. Was using it with Ultium. Was told that I really needed to change to a clean feed. No molasses and no synthetic additives . Fought that idea for a long time. Lol. But decided to try renew gold again with the alfalfa and Curost . Wow what a difference. The changes are amazing. I would also add the immune for 90 days.
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Location: North Dakota | pepsi97 - 2015-12-04 11:47 PM Joint supplements for a older barrel horse? Also what do you recommend for a extremely nervous horse before a run? I was going to try a calming supplement, but didn't know which one. What all do you give you're older barrel horses? Thank you! :) this may sound stupid but why do you feed beet pulp and rice bran? I know a lot of ppl do and just want to know the benefits to adding it to their feed.
I can't advise you much on the supplements. I've yet to try a joint one that works and have not used calming supplements. As far as the bp and rice bran though as that is part of my feeding regimen. Rice bran is very high in fat so feeding a small amount (1/2-2lbs) a day can help with a horse that needs a little extra condition and won't make a horse hot. I prefer Renew Gold because it is rice bran, coconut, and flaxseed. Beet pulp is basically just an alternative forage source. It is high in calcium and can help stretch your hay a little, help with horses that can't chew hay well, and my favorite use is to hide any powdered medications/supplements that I have to give my horses. I only feed a couple handfuls (that is dry) but you can feed more depending on why you're using it. I do not feed any processed feeds (except I guess technically the RG but I don't really count that) and the results have been really amazing. I tried a couple feeds that are generally well liked and recommended but they don't even compare. |
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| Okay another question lol. I feed safechoice original and its a complete feed. So I don't really need something like exceed 6way that has as the other stuff in it, do I? |
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| What's a good feed then? Is it better to feed sweet feed and add their supplements in or choose a complete feed and just add joint? I've fed it for awhile now and my horses do good on safechoice. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | pepsi97 - 2015-12-06 2:11 PM What's a good feed then? Is it better to feed sweet feed and add their supplements in or choose a complete feed and just add joint? I've fed it for awhile now and my horses do good on safechoice.
I think it is better to keep it simple. Oats, Renew Gold I hear is a good one. I personally have stopped all grain except in my 2 old guys and my weanlings. Most are in pasture on just grass and have free choice loose mineral/salt. I have my show horse in the corral right now and he gets free choice grass hay & soaked alfalfa/beet pellets so I can add his Muscle Mass-GluChon, joint & arthritis, ulcer prevent, hair & coat. |
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| pepsi97 - 2015-12-06 3:11 PM
What's a good feed then? Is it better to feed sweet feed and add their supplements in or choose a complete feed and just add joint? I've fed it for awhile now and my horses do good on safechoice.
Oats with rice bran or Renew gold. Add the Curost Total and Immune. Feed Alfalfa and I give free choice Timothy. You will be surprised at the difference in your horse. |
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| readytorodeo - 2015-12-06 2:10 PM
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What's a good feed then? Is it better to feed sweet feed and add their supplements in or choose a complete feed and just add joint? I've fed it for awhile now and my horses do good on safechoice.
Oats with rice bran or Renew gold. Add the Curost Total and Immune. Feed Alfalfa and I give free choice Timothy. You will be surprised at the difference in your horse.
Free choice alfalfa for me and Oats/ricebran with Curost total support, adapt, and one horse on stomach. |
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Location: never in the right place | you guys are lucky you can get RG, I am in the Northeast and no one near enough to me has it. TSC said they could get it, but minimum buy is a pallet and I only have 1 horse. Do you know how long that pallet would last lol. I can get Total Equine since a nearby aquaintance is going to be selling it. I know there was a TE thread and a lot of people got off of it and went to RG because their horses stopped doing good on it. Do you all think TE would be a good change. |
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| you guys are lucky you can get RG, I am in the Northeast and no one near enough to me has it. TSC said they could get it, but minimum buy is a pallet and I only have 1 horse. Do you know how long that pallet would last lol. I can get Total Equine since a nearby aquaintance is going to be selling it. I know there was a TE thread and a lot of people got off of it and went to RG because their horses stopped doing good on it. Do you all think TE would be a good change.
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I'm in the NE too and can't get Renew Gold. So I feed Max-E-Glo rice bran pellets instead.
https://www.mannapro.com/products/equine/equine-health-products/max-...
I also feed alfalfa pellets and whole oats. My horses look amazing. I am going to start looking into where I can get flax seed to add in as well. I would switch to Renew Gold if it became available here but in the meantime the Max-E-Glo works good. My Horses have been on this feed program about a month and today I noticed an increased focused energy and stamina. Thanks to all a lot of good advice from this board! |
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Location: South Dakota | I was so excited when we finally got Renew Gold in our area but in looking at the ingredients it didn't seem to have a lot of the vitamins that some of the others like Summer Heat have? Reading this makes me want to get a bag and give it a try though.
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| Timber Creek - 2015-12-07 6:48 AM
I was so excited when we finally got Renew Gold in our area but in looking at the ingredients it didn't seem to have a lot of the vitamins that some of the others like Summer Heat have? Reading this makes me want to get a bag and give it a try though.
Dont forget, the vast majority of vitamins and minerals in bagged processed feeds are synthetic and do more harm than good. The idea is to provide a variety of forage so the horse can assimilate all the natural vitamins and minerals from that source, not a bag. |
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Location: South Dakota | That's interesting, I had never thought about that. I really need to give it a try. My horse had energy but a dull coat. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | FLITASTIC - 2015-12-06 5:14 PM readytorodeo - 2015-12-06 2:10 PM pepsi97 - 2015-12-06 3:11 PM What's a good feed then? Is it better to feed sweet feed and add their supplements in or choose a complete feed and just add joint? I've fed it for awhile now and my horses do good on safechoice. Oats with rice bran or Renew gold. Add the Curost Total and Immune. Feed Alfalfa and I give free choice Timothy. You will be surprised at the difference in your horse. Free choice alfalfa for me and Oats/ricebran with Curost total support, adapt, and one horse on stomach.
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Location: Willows, CA | ctdrumrunr - 2015-12-06 6:02 PM
you guys are lucky you can get RG, I am in the Northeast and no one near enough to me has it. TSC said they could get it, but minimum buy is a pallet and I only have 1 horse. Do you know how long that pallet would last lol. I can get Total Equine since a nearby aquaintance is going to be selling it. I know there was a TE thread and a lot of people got off of it and went to RG because their horses stopped doing good on it. Do you all think TE would be a good change.
You no longer need to order a minimum amount of Renew Gold for your Tractor Supply to get it. As of last month, Renew Gold is in every Tractor Supply distribution center. That means that any Tractor Supply store can order any amount they need as a simple addition to their regular orders. If you ask and they don't know this, just give them the item number 1054391 and ask them to look it up. The price should be between $29.95 and $31.95 per bag. New distribution and increased volumes has also created a lower distributor price to independent distributors East of the Rocky Mountains. This price drop should reach independent feed stores in the next few weeks.
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| So most of you feed oats and add in supplements? My horses are on pasture 25/7 and get hay this time of year. Plus a scoop of safechoice twice a day. It sounds like oats is the way to go and just add in exceed 6 or platinum performance if I understood all this correctly. |
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| pepsi97 - 2015-12-07 7:36 PM
So most of you feed oats and add in supplements? My horses are on pasture 25/7 and get hay this time of year. Plus a scoop of safechoice twice a day. It sounds like oats is the way to go and just add in exceed 6 or platinum performance if I understood all this correctly.
Pick your supplement wisely. From what I understand and have learned here your horse should be getting most all of the necessary vitamin/mineral from the oats and hay so don't waste your money on expensive mineral/vitamin supplement. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | pepsi97 - 2015-12-07 8:36 PM So most of you feed oats and add in supplements? My horses are on pasture 25/7 and get hay this time of year. Plus a scoop of safechoice twice a day. It sounds like oats is the way to go and just add in exceed 6 or platinum performance if I understood all this correctly.
You have to make sure you are paying attention to your feed/hay/supplement content. With Cur Ost, you eliminate as much processed as you can, so yes oats are the way to go with that. Good luck! |
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Location: Jersey Girl | FLITASTIC - 2015-12-07 10:08 AM Timber Creek - 2015-12-07 6:48 AM I was so excited when we finally got Renew Gold in our area but in looking at the ingredients it didn't seem to have a lot of the vitamins that some of the others like Summer Heat have? Reading this makes me want to get a bag and give it a try though.
Dont forget, the vast majority of vitamins and minerals in bagged processed feeds are synthetic and do more harm than good. The idea is to provide a variety of forage so the horse can assimilate all the natural vitamins and minerals from that source, not a bag.
Why would you feed Renew Gold? Or for what reason? Isn't it processed as well? What benefit is it? |
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| fulltiltfilly - 2015-12-08 12:23 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-12-07 10:08 AM Timber Creek - 2015-12-07 6:48 AM I was so excited when we finally got Renew Gold in our area but in looking at the ingredients it didn't seem to have a lot of the vitamins that some of the others like Summer Heat have? Reading this makes me want to get a bag and give it a try though.
Dont forget, the vast majority of vitamins and minerals in bagged processed feeds are synthetic and do more harm than good. The idea is to provide a variety of forage so the horse can assimilate all the natural vitamins and minerals from that source, not a bag.
It has no grain or synthetic vitamins/minerals. Rsstires the hind gut to functioning like it should. And it's low in starch. |
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Location: Willows, CA | fulltiltfilly - 2015-12-08 12:23 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-12-07 10:08 AM Timber Creek - 2015-12-07 6:48 AM I was so excited when we finally got Renew Gold in our area but in looking at the ingredients it didn't seem to have a lot of the vitamins that some of the others like Summer Heat have? Reading this makes me want to get a bag and give it a try though.
Dont forget, the vast majority of vitamins and minerals in bagged processed feeds are synthetic and do more harm than good. The idea is to provide a variety of forage so the horse can assimilate all the natural vitamins and minerals from that source, not a bag.
I can answer this one. First, the term "processed" can mean a lot of things. Usually it is associated with feed made with highly altered byproduct ingredients that have little in common with their natural state, or are simply used to bulk up the amount of feed that you are paying for in the least expensive way. You think you are buying more, but are really getting less nutrition because highly processed feeds are simply poorly digested, and can prevent other parts of your horses diet from being used properly also. These highly processed byproducts usually add little to the nutritional value of the finished product. Even "whole grains" can have issues depending on age, quality, storage conditions and fumigation, which they all go through. Remember, if you are on the whole grain band wagon, the highest quality whole grain does not go to the feed market. It goes to the human market. Damaged whole grain is sold exclusively to the animal market. While badly damaged whole grain can be hidden in "processed" feeds, you do need to be cautious with whole grains, especially corn, in horse feed. I am not condemning whole grains, just recommending caution to know what you are really feeding. This is not how Renew Gold is made. All ingredient are highest quality, food grade and natural without any synthetic additives. There are no byproducts used in the formulation since every ingredient was specified for an actual nutritional contribution within the formulation with consideration given to very exact interactions with the other ingredients in the formulation. The reason you feed Renew Gold is two fold. First, is normalized digestive function from the mouth back through the entire digestive system. Every part of the digestive system is supported in a positive way. This allows more complete nutrient uptake not only of the Renew Gold, but more importantly, of the rest of the diet. Second, Renew Gold can replace disruptive grain based concentrates, or whole grains, that if fed at more than two pounds per feeding actually create road blocks to your horse digesting all of its diets properly. |
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| Y'all are gonna get tired of me lol!! I've been trying to read up cause I want the best for my horses. So I'm thinking I'm gonna try the oats and add rice bran with PP or exceed 6 way. Is there anything else I'm missing? My horses are on pasture all the time and get grass hay. My tb is a hard keeper so from what I understand rice bran will help with that. I'm trying to learn but this nutrition thing confuses me lol. I just want the best for my girls and I'm starting to realize processed feed is not the way to go. |
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Location: NE Texas | pepsi97 - 2015-12-08 3:02 PM Y'all are gonna get tired of me lol!! I've been trying to read up cause I want the best for my horses. So I'm thinking I'm gonna try the oats and add rice bran with PP or exceed 6 way. Is there anything else I'm missing? My horses are on pasture all the time and get grass hay. My tb is a hard keeper so from what I understand rice bran will help with that. I'm trying to learn but this nutrition thing confuses me lol. I just want the best for my girls and I'm starting to realize processed feed is not the way to go.
I'm not downing either of these products, but I truly think you'd be better off going the Cur-OST route and getting the gut working properly. You're half way there in the feed you have chosen, but there are alot of supplements also that have the same issues as processed feed in that they contain synthetic vitamins and fillers and actually end up being contributing factors to the hind gut issues we have in our horses. By going with the Cur-OST forumulas, you are targeting the source of the inflammation and promoting a healthy inflammatory and immune response and get the gut functioning like it should. I would be willing to bet that you would have a new horse in 2 weeks or less. |
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Location: Kansas | what about joint supplements for those who can't afford to spend $120 for a 30 day supply of Cur-ost? |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-08 3:45 PM
what about joint supplements for those who can't afford to spend $120 for a 30 day supply of Cur-ost?
I would talk to the girl who sells THE on here. THE is less expensive yet effective. I use Cur Ost and my sister has had tremendous results with her gelding that had ulcers using THE. Not one single colic since feeding THE. She followed the ulcer protocol they gave her. Whatever supplement you decide on, talk to the people who sell it so you find out the most effective way to feed their supplement. |
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Location: NE Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-08 3:45 PM what about joint supplements for those who can't afford to spend $120 for a 30 day supply of Cur-ost? The Cur-OST provides joint support through the anti-inflammatory herbs used in the product. Research BCM-85 curcurmin and arthritis and pain relief, as that is what we're trying to prevent. The boney change caused by arthritis is caused by inflammation in the joint either due to age, overuse, or injury....the condition itself is actually caused by inflammation, not vice versa. So by controlling the inflammation, we then control not only the pain, but also reduce the progression of the arthritis itself and are able to control and manage pain moreso than even bute or banamine would.
My entire feed program including my Cur-OST, my grain, and my alfalfa costs less than $8.26 per day, per horse. I had someone ask a couple of weeks ago, so I put the pencil to it.
The Cur-OST is going to provide your hose with everything needed to not only prevent arthritis from worsening, but offer support and pain relief that is already there. There is also alot of information out there about how leaky gut syndrome is tied into arthritis and so many other issues as well. I will attach a couple articles from the Nouvelle site as one example, but several more out there that aren't liked to the Cur-OST product. https://nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/390-joint-dysfunction-are-injections-the-only-solution https://nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/385-leaky-gut-syndrome-health-soundness
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | pepsi97 - 2015-12-08 8:33 PM So as I was typing I forgot what I was gonna write. From what I've read whole oats are the way to go. Does THE products have a website? I've tried looking them up and can't find any products from them.
Yes, I'll put a link here for you. I am a distributor and can give you some great BHW prices. I can also try and answer any questions you have. THE Muscle Mass and Performance Formula are 20% off this month (my prices too )
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Location: NE Texas | oranges - 2015-12-09 8:21 AM Herbie, just curious, how many horses do you own and do you spend $8.26/day on all of them? I have 4 horses, and yes, I do spend close to that on all of them. That estimate may be a bit high, as I calculated it off the most expensive one, and only 2 of the 4 get one of those products. I will post the message here I sent to the person that asked me how much per day it was costing me to feed.
"I have never put a pencil to it, but your question made me think, so I thought I should. Currently i'm spending $8.26 per day, per horse for all feed, hay, and my Cur-OST supplements, which comes out to $247.80 per month, per horse for everything except water. And even that is high, b/c not all hores get the one supplement, but it's only $.42 a serving, so was easier to include it than not.
I feed alfalfa hay which I pay $14 a bale for. Roughly there are about 12 flakes per bale, so that equals $1.16 per flake. I feed 2 - 3 flakes per day. Let's just say three, so that's $3.48 per day in hay.
I feed whole oats once daily and feed between 1 and 2 pounds in the evenings. My oats cost around $12 for a 50 pound sack, usually less. At a rate of 1.5 pounds per serving, that is $.36 per serving. So now with hay and feed, i'm at $3.84 per day, per horse.
With my Cur-OST, all of my horses are on the Total Support, which if you buy one bag at a time, it's $120 a 30 day supply. I ususally buy 4 at a time, so I get the price break, but I figured on the max cost, so at $120/day, that is $4.00 per serving. I have two horses who get the Adapt & Calm, which costs $25 for a 60 day supply, so that is $.42 per serving. With the two Cur-OST products costing $4.42 per day together, plus my oats and alfalfa, i'm at $8.26.
Thank you for asking, I actually enjoyed putting all of this together! I'm a nerd like that. HAHA I also figured it when I was still using the Immune & Repair as well, and the total per day including the Immune & Repair for the one horse was $12.15 per day, which would be $364.50 per month. Hopt this helps and is what you were looking for! :)"
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oranges - 2015-12-09 8:21 AM Herbie, just curious, how many horses do you own and do you spend $8.26/day on all of them? I have 4 horses, and yes, I do spend close to that on all of them. That estimate may be a bit high, as I calculated it off the most expensive one, and only 2 of the 4 get one of those products. I will post the message here I sent to the person that asked me how much per day it was costing me to feed.
"I have never put a pencil to it, but your question made me think, so I thought I should. Currently i'm spending $8.26 per day, per horse for all feed, hay, and my Cur-OST supplements, which comes out to $247.80 per month, per horse for everything except water. And even that is high, b/c not all hores get the one supplement, but it's only $.42 a serving, so was easier to include it than not.
I feed alfalfa hay which I pay $14 a bale for. Roughly there are about 12 flakes per bale, so that equals $1.16 per flake. I feed 2 - 3 flakes per day. Let's just say three, so that's $3.48 per day in hay.
I feed whole oats once daily and feed between 1 and 2 pounds in the evenings. My oats cost around $12 for a 50 pound sack, usually less. At a rate of 1.5 pounds per serving, that is $.36 per serving. So now with hay and feed, i'm at $3.84 per day, per horse.
With my Cur-OST, all of my horses are on the Total Support, which if you buy one bag at a time, it's $120 a 30 day supply. I ususally buy 4 at a time, so I get the price break, but I figured on the max cost, so at $120/day, that is $4.00 per serving. I have two horses who get the Adapt & Calm, which costs $25 for a 60 day supply, so that is $.42 per serving. With the two Cur-OST products costing $4.42 per day together, plus my oats and alfalfa, i'm at $8.26.
Thank you for asking, I actually enjoyed putting all of this together! I'm a nerd like that. HAHA I also figured it when I was still using the Immune & Repair as well, and the total per day including the Immune & Repair for the one horse was $12.15 per day, which would be $364.50 per month. Hopt this helps and is what you were looking for! :)"
Curost prices are consistent. lol The killer for me is FORAGE. I can buy crap hay that I wouldnt feed a cow for 14.00 a bale. THe quality alfalfa I buy is 19-26.00 a bale. SINGLE BALE. Colic is far worse cost so I buy the expensive high quality hay and leave it in front of them 24/7. My allergy ridden/arthritis infested/horse with the biggest heart and gives 110% to me every run gets the FULL 2 SCOOP dose of Curost Total every day. I don't skimp!!! He was previously on previcox daily, ventipulman, Dex, etc so he could compete. Now he is just on the TOTAL support and scoop of PURE on days he runs. My colt gets ADAPT/ 1.5 scoops TOTAL/ and STOMACH on the days prior to competing and days he does compete. He is 4 and is a pleaser and gets himself worked up. lol I wish I had pasture and not having to buy all this hay. I'm not even going to add it up. Scared to. lol I will say this, people actually stop and stare at my horses.. they look amazing! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | IF you are looking for something specific to joints, you really need an injectable like Adequan or Pentosan. A high quality feed thru like THE or Cur-ost is not a bad addition but they tend to do a little bit of good in all the joints. More specific joint aid comes from the injectables, which are not broken down in the gut like feed throughs as they go directly into the bloodstream. And honestly Adequan every 6 months (at about $300 for 7 shots), equates to about $50 a month, essentially the same cost or lower than most of your feed supplements. And while there is a good bit of anecdotal evidence for feed supplements, there are not any peer reviewed studies. A number of peer reviewed studies exist for Adequan and Pentosan that they absolutely do work. A slightly cheaper version of adequan (at least in terms of chemical composition) but not absolutely shown to be as effective is Ichon. Legend is a great short term management strategy too for a performance weekend. And of course you can always directly inject into the joint itself if needed. But Adequan, Pentosan, and Legend are just done IM and pretty easy for the average horse owner to give once a month or in the 7 shot series every 6 months like with Adequan. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | oija - 2015-12-09 9:30 AM IF you are looking for something specific to joints, you really need an injectable like Adequan or Pentosan. A high quality feed thru like THE or Cur-ost is not a bad addition but they tend to do a little bit of good in all the joints. More specific joint aid comes from the injectables, which are not broken down in the gut like feed throughs as they go directly into the bloodstream. And honestly Adequan every 6 months (at about $300 for 7 shots), equates to about $50 a month, essentially the same cost or lower than most of your feed supplements. And while there is a good bit of anecdotal evidence for feed supplements, there are not any peer reviewed studies. A number of peer reviewed studies exist for Adequan and Pentosan that they absolutely do work. A slightly cheaper version of adequan (at least in terms of chemical composition) but not absolutely shown to be as effective is Ichon. Legend is a great short term management strategy too for a performance weekend. And of course you can always directly inject into the joint itself if needed. But Adequan, Pentosan, and Legend are just done IM and pretty easy for the average horse owner to give once a month or in the 7 shot series every 6 months like with Adequan.
The injectables are good. I keep mine on THE for preventative, they came out with a new one that is great called JointFLEX. During the summer when I am starting to haul, I have my kids older horses on Pentosan and will probably put the hunter/jumper on it too. He had some crazy soundness issues as a 3yr old. Hoping it was just growing pains. We tested/treated for everything. Finally turned him out to pasture. Out of sight/out of mind and then sent him to be re started and he came back so good. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-09 10:36 AM
oija - 2015-12-09 9:30 AM IF you are looking for something specific to joints, you really need an injectable like Adequan or Pentosan. A high quality feed thru like THE or Cur-ost is not a bad addition but they tend to do a little bit of good in all the joints. More specific joint aid comes from the injectables, which are not broken down in the gut like feed throughs as they go directly into the bloodstream. And honestly Adequan every 6 months (at about $300 for 7 shots), equates to about $50 a month, essentially the same cost or lower than most of your feed supplements. And while there is a good bit of anecdotal evidence for feed supplements, there are not any peer reviewed studies. A number of peer reviewed studies exist for Adequan and Pentosan that they absolutely do work. A slightly cheaper version of adequan (at least in terms of chemical composition) but not absolutely shown to be as effective is Ichon. Legend is a great short term management strategy too for a performance weekend. And of course you can always directly inject into the joint itself if needed. But Adequan, Pentosan, and Legend are just done IM and pretty easy for the average horse owner to give once a month or in the 7 shot series every 6 months like with Adequan.
The injectables are good. I keep mine on THE for preventative, they came out with a new one that is great called JointFLEX. During the summer when I am starting to haul, I have my kids older horses on Pentosan and will probably put the hunter/jumper on it too. He had some crazy soundness issues as a 3yr old. Hoping it was just growing pains. We tested/treated for everything. Finally turned him out to pasture. Out of sight/out of mind and then sent him to be re started and he came back so good.
Yep they are good stuff. I don't mind feed throughs as a support and I know THE has good stuff, but the BEST support is really the injectables. I've done the feed throughs, by themselves, before and seen a tiny bit of improvement. The injectables made a world of difference though. Ideally you'd want to do both. |
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| oija - 2015-12-09 8:43 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-09 10:36 AM
oija - 2015-12-09 9:30 AM IF you are looking for something specific to joints, you really need an injectable like Adequan or Pentosan. A high quality feed thru like THE or Cur-ost is not a bad addition but they tend to do a little bit of good in all the joints. More specific joint aid comes from the injectables, which are not broken down in the gut like feed throughs as they go directly into the bloodstream. And honestly Adequan every 6 months (at about $300 for 7 shots), equates to about $50 a month, essentially the same cost or lower than most of your feed supplements. And while there is a good bit of anecdotal evidence for feed supplements, there are not any peer reviewed studies. A number of peer reviewed studies exist for Adequan and Pentosan that they absolutely do work. A slightly cheaper version of adequan (at least in terms of chemical composition) but not absolutely shown to be as effective is Ichon. Legend is a great short term management strategy too for a performance weekend. And of course you can always directly inject into the joint itself if needed. But Adequan, Pentosan, and Legend are just done IM and pretty easy for the average horse owner to give once a month or in the 7 shot series every 6 months like with Adequan.
The injectables are good. I keep mine on THE for preventative, they came out with a new one that is great called JointFLEX. During the summer when I am starting to haul, I have my kids older horses on Pentosan and will probably put the hunter/jumper on it too. He had some crazy soundness issues as a 3yr old. Hoping it was just growing pains. We tested/treated for everything. Finally turned him out to pasture. Out of sight/out of mind and then sent him to be re started and he came back so good.
Yep they are good stuff. I don't mind feed throughs as a support and I know THE has good stuff, but the BEST support is really the injectables. I've done the feed throughs, by themselves, before and seen a tiny bit of improvement. The injectables made a world of difference though. Ideally you'd want to do both.
LEGEND is given IV not IM. But I do agree, I like the injectibles more than feed throughs. |
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Location: NE Texas | My horses are typically young, under the age of 7, as I train them and sell them when they are ready to be competitive. I have only had to inject one horse in my entire life, including back when I had aged horse and was rodeoing. The one horse I did have to inject, we were actually trying to "fix" a lameness that never improved. We eventually did an MRI and found microfratures in the P2 and thankfully we stopped trying this and that and found the source of the issue, as it could have reslted in catastrophic injury had we kept running her.
For me and joint maintenance, I think prevention is worth a pound of cure, and if I can provide the body the nutrients it needs to manage the inflammatory response at the cellular level when a horse is young, the likelihood of severe arthritis developing later will be reduced. This is why I choose this route for my horses.
The Cur-OST is much different from other products in that it's intended treatment is to dig deeper and target the root of these problems, rather than the symptom we see. The particular horse that forced me to research a different approach was flexed off just as we began the Cur-OST journey. He was extremely sore behind and the vet suggested to inject SI, stifles, and hocks. Not all at once of course, but eventually he advised they all needed to be done. You could palpate this horse and he would drop to the ground. You couldn't brush him without him wincing. Flexed him off and he was 5 out of 10 on a scale. 3 weeks later I was back to riding him. Nothing had changed other than adding the Cur-OST and getting his respiratory issues under control. Vet was back out to sew up a horse who'd gotten cut. While there, I had him flex the colt who'd been so sore. He couldn't make him wince anywhere. We flexed him and he was completely non-reactive and trotted right off of all flexion tests.
This proved to me that joint pain and arthritis are absolutely tied into the hind gut and the immune response. Through treating the respiratory issues I also treated the joint soreness. Injecting would have been a band-aid and once the steroid wore off, i'd have been in the same boat again looking for something to help. This particular horse is a needle hater, so weekly or even monthly injections aren't an option for me. I've used them in the past though never been able to tell a huge difference in my horse. Perhaps it was more for me and my peace of mind than him. Perhaps my program now is also for my own peace of mind, but I absolutely have seen the changes first hand and the results of a horse who was off the charts from an inflammation stand point, then issues resolved by treating the source. When you start researching "leaky gut syndrome", it is truly amazing as to how many different diseases, chronic conditions, and even psychological issues are related and can be stemmed from a leaky gut.
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https://nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/259-joint-therapies-compliance-and-effectiveness
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | FLITASTIC - 2015-12-09 9:51 AM oija - 2015-12-09 8:43 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-09 10:36 AM oija - 2015-12-09 9:30 AM IF you are looking for something specific to joints, you really need an injectable like Adequan or Pentosan. A high quality feed thru like THE or Cur-ost is not a bad addition but they tend to do a little bit of good in all the joints. More specific joint aid comes from the injectables, which are not broken down in the gut like feed throughs as they go directly into the bloodstream. And honestly Adequan every 6 months (at about $300 for 7 shots), equates to about $50 a month, essentially the same cost or lower than most of your feed supplements. And while there is a good bit of anecdotal evidence for feed supplements, there are not any peer reviewed studies. A number of peer reviewed studies exist for Adequan and Pentosan that they absolutely do work. A slightly cheaper version of adequan (at least in terms of chemical composition) but not absolutely shown to be as effective is Ichon. Legend is a great short term management strategy too for a performance weekend. And of course you can always directly inject into the joint itself if needed. But Adequan, Pentosan, and Legend are just done IM and pretty easy for the average horse owner to give once a month or in the 7 shot series every 6 months like with Adequan. The injectables are good. I keep mine on THE for preventative, they came out with a new one that is great called JointFLEX. During the summer when I am starting to haul, I have my kids older horses on Pentosan and will probably put the hunter/jumper on it too. He had some crazy soundness issues as a 3yr old. Hoping it was just growing pains. We tested/treated for everything. Finally turned him out to pasture. Out of sight/out of mind and then sent him to be re started and he came back so good. Yep they are good stuff. I don't mind feed throughs as a support and I know THE has good stuff, but the BEST support is really the injectables. I've done the feed throughs, by themselves, before and seen a tiny bit of improvement. The injectables made a world of difference though. Ideally you'd want to do both. LEGEND is given IV not IM. But I do agree, I like the injectibles more than feed throughs.
I have tried Legend on a couple and just didn't see any diff at all. Tried Pentosan because so many on here had mentioned it. It made a world of diff in my 22 yr old. He has really bad knees. Also tried it on my horse that broke his pelvis and I was trying to bring him back. I also noticed a huge improvement but he was still not going to be sound enough to do much so he is a pasture pet now. Those 2 horses made me a believer, oh and my youngest son's 40'ish pony was on it last summer. He won the lead line buckle at the yr end. His last yr we'll haul him around, but it got him through. He is a pony so with the ornery-ness that comes with being a pony, he never showed he was sore. I just saw more pep in his step. |
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Location: Willows, CA | FLITASTIC - 2015-12-09 10:51 AM
oija - 2015-12-09 8:43 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-09 10:36 AM
oija - 2015-12-09 9:30 AM IF you are looking for something specific to joints, you really need an injectable like Adequan or Pentosan. A high quality feed thru like THE or Cur-ost is not a bad addition but they tend to do a little bit of good in all the joints. More specific joint aid comes from the injectables, which are not broken down in the gut like feed throughs as they go directly into the bloodstream. And honestly Adequan every 6 months (at about $300 for 7 shots), equates to about $50 a month, essentially the same cost or lower than most of your feed supplements. And while there is a good bit of anecdotal evidence for feed supplements, there are not any peer reviewed studies. A number of peer reviewed studies exist for Adequan and Pentosan that they absolutely do work. A slightly cheaper version of adequan (at least in terms of chemical composition) but not absolutely shown to be as effective is Ichon. Legend is a great short term management strategy too for a performance weekend. And of course you can always directly inject into the joint itself if needed. But Adequan, Pentosan, and Legend are just done IM and pretty easy for the average horse owner to give once a month or in the 7 shot series every 6 months like with Adequan.
The injectables are good. I keep mine on THE for preventative, they came out with a new one that is great called JointFLEX. During the summer when I am starting to haul, I have my kids older horses on Pentosan and will probably put the hunter/jumper on it too. He had some crazy soundness issues as a 3yr old. Hoping it was just growing pains. We tested/treated for everything. Finally turned him out to pasture. Out of sight/out of mind and then sent him to be re started and he came back so good.
Yep they are good stuff. I don't mind feed throughs as a support and I know THE has good stuff, but the BEST support is really the injectables. I've done the feed throughs, by themselves, before and seen a tiny bit of improvement. The injectables made a world of difference though. Ideally you'd want to do both.
LEGEND is given IV not IM. But I do agree, I like the injectibles more than feed throughs.
The challenge with feed throughs is that there is a vast difference in ingredient quality and effectiveness because of this. There is no cheap way to make a joint health feed through that is highly absorbed and effective in the horses body. I do not make or sell one, but have formulated for a number of companies over the years, and actually participated in a 55 horse clinical trial with over 40,000 measurements calculated, using feed throughs. So, there is in fact a peer reviewed study on the effectiveness of feed through flex products. Unfortunately, my formulation, which was shown to be clearly effective in both inflammation control and range of motion improvement in that study, Flex+ from Absorbine, is no longer available in that original formulation. There are some good ones on the market though. Platinum, and THE seem to provide a worthwhile response. I am very interested in the Cur-Ost information, though I would rather feed it with Renew Gold than with whole oats for a number or reasons, and SherMar's product on the West Coast is proving effective. All that said, no feed through is going to be as effective as injectable treatments for chronic arthritic changes once that is a developed problem. I feel that a combination of a premium feed through and injectables can be a good course of action once you identify a specific problem. As a prophylactic treatment for performance horses, I think a high quality feed through alone can provide support that may limit the need for injectables in the long term.
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Location: Arkansas | tin can - 2015-12-09 7:33 PM
I never here anyone mention platinum performance cj anymore does anyone feed it?
I feed the CJ to my three oldest horses--36, 20, and 15. Absolutely love it, from joint help to the way they look and feel, great results. I don't barrel race, and everyone has been on downtime since my bf messed up his back, so maybe my opinion won't count! Overall tho I am sold on it. Have been tempted to try the Cur-ost because of Herbie and the others on here that have had such great results. (36 year old has pretty significant arthritis and 15 year old has suspensory issues, so I'd love to see if it helped even more than the CJ. . . ) I just can't decide to make the leap tho! |
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Location: Delaware | If I read right, you are looking for something calming as well?
If that is the case I would steer clear of feeding oats. Oats will amp one up whether by itself or added in with a feed.
I have heard good things about the OXY relax supplement although I have not personally used it. |
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| megsm - 2015-12-10 6:41 PM
If I read right, you are looking for something calming as well?
If that is the case I would steer clear of feeding oats. Oats will amp one up whether by itself or added in with a feed.
I have heard good things about the OXY relax supplement although I have not personally used it.
Renew Gold isn't sold as a 'calming' supplement but I have found my horses lose their anxiety but still fire. Especially my mare who is ulcer prone and has gate issues. She doesn't kick so much in the trailer and has been walking right in the gate. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | megsm - 2015-12-10 6:41 PM If I read right, you are looking for something calming as well? If that is the case I would steer clear of feeding oats. Oats will amp one up whether by itself or added in with a feed. I have heard good things about the OXY relax supplement although I have not personally used it.
Not necessarily, it is all in how you use them. They are only used as a binder in my situation with cur ost |
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| megsm - 2015-12-10 6:41 PM
If I read right, you are looking for something calming as well?
If that is the case I would steer clear of feeding oats. Oats will amp one up whether by itself or added in with a feed.
I have heard good things about the OXY relax supplement although I have not personally used it.
I used to think oats amped my horse up, too. Then I found out he digestive/hindgut issues. I got that cleared up and the 2 lbs. a day of oats I was feeding no longer amped him up. I feed an alfalfa cube that has oats and flaxseed in it- Omni cubes - now and I am very happy with them. I believe at the amount I feed, oats are not a problem for him, but I wouldn't feed any horse more than a pound or two of oats a day after the research I have done. Also, my feed program is forage based. |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | winwillows - 2015-12-07 5:41 PM ctdrumrunr - 2015-12-06 6:02 PM you guys are lucky you can get RG, I am in the Northeast and no one near enough to me has it. TSC said they could get it, but minimum buy is a pallet and I only have 1 horse. Do you know how long that pallet would last lol. I can get Total Equine since a nearby aquaintance is going to be selling it. I know there was a TE thread and a lot of people got off of it and went to RG because their horses stopped doing good on it. Do you all think TE would be a good change. You no longer need to order a minimum amount of Renew Gold for your Tractor Supply to get it. As of last month, Renew Gold is in every Tractor Supply distribution center. That means that any Tractor Supply store can order any amount they need as a simple addition to their regular orders. If you ask and they don't know this, just give them the item number 1054391 and ask them to look it up. The price should be between $29.95 and $31.95 per bag. New distribution and increased volumes has also created a lower distributor price to independent distributors East of the Rocky Mountains. This price drop should reach independent feed stores in the next few weeks.
I did this and I live in Maine! I get 4 bags at a time. They now keep it on hand for me. Shouldn't be a problem to get. |
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Location: never in the right place | Mainer-racer - 2015-12-11 10:51 AM winwillows - 2015-12-07 5:41 PM ctdrumrunr - 2015-12-06 6:02 PM you guys are lucky you can get RG, I am in the Northeast and no one near enough to me has it. TSC said they could get it, but minimum buy is a pallet and I only have 1 horse. Do you know how long that pallet would last lol. I can get Total Equine since a nearby aquaintance is going to be selling it. I know there was a TE thread and a lot of people got off of it and went to RG because their horses stopped doing good on it. Do you all think TE would be a good change. You no longer need to order a minimum amount of Renew Gold for your Tractor Supply to get it. As of last month, Renew Gold is in every Tractor Supply distribution center. That means that any Tractor Supply store can order any amount they need as a simple addition to their regular orders. If you ask and they don't know this, just give them the item number 1054391 and ask them to look it up. The price should be between $29.95 and $31.95 per bag. New distribution and increased volumes has also created a lower distributor price to independent distributors East of the Rocky Mountains. This price drop should reach independent feed stores in the next few weeks.
I was just there last week and they told me I have to buy a pallett. This is a new store and new employees but she did look it up in the computer because she told me they didn't sell it at first. I will ask them again. Thanks for the info |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | ctdrumrunr - 2015-12-11 2:03 PM Mainer-racer - 2015-12-11 10:51 AM winwillows - 2015-12-07 5:41 PM ctdrumrunr - 2015-12-06 6:02 PM you guys are lucky you can get RG, I am in the Northeast and no one near enough to me has it. TSC said they could get it, but minimum buy is a pallet and I only have 1 horse. Do you know how long that pallet would last lol. I can get Total Equine since a nearby aquaintance is going to be selling it. I know there was a TE thread and a lot of people got off of it and went to RG because their horses stopped doing good on it. Do you all think TE would be a good change. You no longer need to order a minimum amount of Renew Gold for your Tractor Supply to get it. As of last month, Renew Gold is in every Tractor Supply distribution center. That means that any Tractor Supply store can order any amount they need as a simple addition to their regular orders. If you ask and they don't know this, just give them the item number 1054391 and ask them to look it up. The price should be between $29.95 and $31.95 per bag. New distribution and increased volumes has also created a lower distributor price to independent distributors East of the Rocky Mountains. This price drop should reach independent feed stores in the next few weeks.
Good luck! I know I had to do the same thing, I gave them the item number and I could go from there. They said they had to order a minimum of 8 bags, but I didn't have to purchase that many. Just tell them every other TSC does it, why won't they? |
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| megsm - 2015-12-10 5:41 PM
If I read right, you are looking for something calming as well?
If that is the case I would steer clear of feeding oats. Oats will amp one up whether by itself or added in with a feed.
I have heard good things about the OXY relax supplement although I have not personally used it.
Actually my horses were more hot on my local feed mill processed feed than when I switched to whole oats. The whole oats does not make my horse hot at all. |
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