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Location: Kansas | Let me quote Newt Gingrich from an interview with him last weekend.
"This President is the greatest threat to national security of anyone who has ever occupied the Oval Office."
Might not be word for word but you get the idea. I'm not a prepper but very concerned especially of biological or chemical attacks in major cities. Letting Syrian refugees into this country is insane. I'm with Trump.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I guess I'll be eating my chickens.... I knew there was a reason I wanted to hatch out more. Lol. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | As much as we all want to deny reality and do things like barrel racing to escape, there is no denying that we all should brace for impact, because it's coming at warp speed. If someone would have predicted we would be where we are today just 10 years ago, I would think they were nuts. I shudder to think where we will be in ten years......that is if we survive. There's a reason why "survivalism" is a hot topic these days. In fact, it's an industry, in and of itself. |
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Location: London Ontario | We have Bug Out Bags ready. We looked at a few different lists online and went from there. We are always fully stocked with ammo and all the guns are cleaned and prepped after each use. I am no hunter but I am often dragged along to practice just in case. We have a little money stashed in places around the house as well as copies of ID hidden(although it may not be worth anything at that point). We live in a small town but have multiple alternative routes to our hunt camp up north where we plan to go if anything happens. We also have diesel in cans in our shed ready if we need to make a get away and get far away. we use it to fill up every few weeks to ensure it is still good, then refill. It never hurts to be extra careful and PLAN PLAN PLAN |
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Location: TEXAS | Frodo - 2015-12-08 9:16 AM Let me quote Newt Gingrich from an interview with him last weekend.
"This President is the greatest threat to national security of anyone who has ever occupied the Oval Office."
Might not be word for word but you get the idea. I'm not a prepper but very concerned especially of biological or chemical attacks in major cities. Letting Syrian refugees into this country is insane. I'm with Trump.
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| Trump. Obama. and the politically correct movement is what will cause this. Social media is what will fuel this. It just keeps gaining momentum, splitting the country. Maybe enough so that by the time we have to change presidents, we can't and O will declare martial law. I never thought it would get this bad and its only just starting. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RidenFly - 2015-12-08 9:33 AM Trump. Obama. and the politically correct movement is what will cause this. Social media is what will fuel this. It just keeps gaining momentum, splitting the country. Maybe enough so that by the time we have to change presidents, we can't and O will declare martial law. I never thought it would get this bad and its only just starting.
I see this happening and it scares the hell out of me, I worry about my sons and my grandchildren. I want O out of here, so we can at least try to get back to normal. |
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| I have not really made a plan. I think we are all one step ahead of the rest by owning horses lol. I am glad now more than ever that we do not live near a major city. I dont know what we would do if it got really bad. That is super scary to think about. As one of you said, social media fuels a lot of things in this country. Think back to the 90s, early 2000s even. Things did not seem so crazy then. I dont know if its just because we are connected so closely now with all of social media outlets or what. Def scary times these days. I really wish the oil and gas business would bounce back :(. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | RidenFly - 2015-12-08 9:33 AM Trump. Obama. and the politically correct movement is what will cause this. Social media is what will fuel this. It just keeps gaining momentum, splitting the country. Maybe enough so that by the time we have to change presidents, we can't and O will declare martial law. I never thought it would get this bad and its only just starting. Ever since he got elected the first time, I've been expecting martial law to be used at some point. I can't put my finger on why I feel that way other than premonition, but he has since proven himself to make the most of every crisis to split us further and further apart. Very different from how Americans used to come together in bad times. The San Bernandino shooting wasn't even over and people were arguing guns and politics. Now Trump is talking about FDR style interment camps not being out of the question and folks are cheering him? Seriously? I'm trying not to freak out, but it's hard not to.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Three 4 Luck - 2015-12-08 11:17 AM
RidenFly - 2015-12-08 9:33 AM Trump. Obama. and the politically correct movement is what will cause this. Social media is what will fuel this. It just keeps gaining momentum, splitting the country. Maybe enough so that by the time we have to change presidents, we can't and O will declare martial law. I never thought it would get this bad and its only just starting. Ever since he got elected the first time, I've been expecting martial law to be used at some point. I can't put my finger on why I feel that way other than premonition, but he has since proven himself to make the most of every crisis to split us further and further apart. Very different from how Americans used to come together in bad times. The San Bernandino shooting wasn't even over and people were arguing guns and politics. Now Trump is talking about FDR style interment camps not being out of the question and folks are cheering him? Seriously? I'm trying not to freak out, but it's hard not to.
Exactly. Anyone who think Trump wouldn't make matters much worse isn't hearing him. Trump would jump on the whole martial law thing and be quick to 'put up internment camps' according to his own words. Any time you've gotten to that point and let fear rule you, you will give up most of your freedoms. Amazing that people always jump on the fact they think Obama will do this. Trump actually said he was willing to. And yet people are still listening. We need a president with sense, not a lot of money, hot air, and bad toupe. |
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Location: Missouri | From what I read, Trump doesn't want internment camps, but he does want to stop anymore coming in, and nobody coming in if they've been overseas for a "vacation".
Are people thinking there will be war on American soil? Like a full out war? Not saying we aren't under attack now, in isolated cases. But like WAR!?
Our Country is so divided by race at the moment and every single time an African American person is shot by law inforcement, there is a law suit, yet Obama doesn't care that more of them are killing eachother than the police are.
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Location: Kansas | The European nations have let millions of Muslims into their countries. Their goal has been to change the European way of life to their own. Saw yesterday where Norway is paying refugees to fly back to Syrian and get out of their country. The amount of money they're giving them I'm afraid would allow them to fly to South American and then cross our borders.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | God help us. While the Obama white house is distracting us with the 'fear' of Islam...the REAL terror on U.S. soil is happening by executive (presidential) agencies. This is graphic, it's sad...and it's real. Wake the hell up America! Stop this madness! The loss of our land to a 'kingdom' is a very real threat that will destroy us all!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zvrrQbjepc&feature=youtu.be
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| me i am screwed being in a wheechair i have a well but not stron enought to do draw up i will be 1 of the first casitlities
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| scwebster - 2015-12-08 9:55 AM
I have not really made a plan. I think we are all one step ahead of the rest by owning horses lol. I am glad now more than ever that we do not live near a major city. I dont know what we would do if it got really bad. That is super scary to think about. As one of you said, social media fuels a lot of things in this country. Think back to the 90s, early 2000s even. Things did not seem so crazy then. I dont know if its just because we are connected so closely now with all of social media outlets or what. Def scary times these days. I really wish the oil and gas business would bounce back :(.
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| musikmaker - 2015-12-08 1:49 PM
God help us. While the Obama white house is distracting us with the 'fear' of Islam...the REAL terror on U.S. soil is happening by executive (presidential) agencies. This is graphic, it's sad...and it's real. Wake the hell up America! Stop this madness! The loss of our land to a 'kingdom' is a very real threat that will destroy us all!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zvrrQbjepc&feature=youtu.be
There were people protesting this outside the NFR but I had no idea it was this bad. So incredibly sad for these ranchers. Just wow. |
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Read an article about how you may not be as safe as you think living in a rural area thanks to drones and google earth.
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Location: North Dakota | RidenFly - 2015-12-08 9:33 AM Trump. Obama. and the politically correct movement is what will cause this. Social media is what will fuel this. It just keeps gaining momentum, splitting the country. Maybe enough so that by the time we have to change presidents, we can't and O will declare martial law. I never thought it would get this bad and its only just starting.
My boyfriend predicts this exactly. Something will happen and obama will declare Martial law and delay the election. At least between us and my family we really should be more prepared. We've talked about just moving to the Alaskan wilderness and escaping it all. |
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Location: Kansas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-12-10 9:26 AM RidenFly - 2015-12-08 9:33 AM Trump. Obama. and the politically correct movement is what will cause this. Social media is what will fuel this. It just keeps gaining momentum, splitting the country. Maybe enough so that by the time we have to change presidents, we can't and O will declare martial law. I never thought it would get this bad and its only just starting. My boyfriend predicts this exactly. Something will happen and obama will declare Martial law and delay the election. At least between us and my family we really should be more prepared. We've talked about just moving to the Alaskan wilderness and escaping it all.
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Location: North Dakota | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-10 9:56 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-12-10 9:26 AM RidenFly - 2015-12-08 9:33 AM Trump. Obama. and the politically correct movement is what will cause this. Social media is what will fuel this. It just keeps gaining momentum, splitting the country. Maybe enough so that by the time we have to change presidents, we can't and O will declare martial law. I never thought it would get this bad and its only just starting. My boyfriend predicts this exactly. Something will happen and obama will declare Martial law and delay the election. At least between us and my family we really should be more prepared. We've talked about just moving to the Alaskan wilderness and escaping it all.
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| I honestly think, unless you can live TOTALLY "off the grid" you are hosed. The only folks I can see being able to survive very long are folks that live in the middle of nowhere, off the land. I've thought and thought about different scenarios and don't see a very positive outcome for many. Heck, the second we lose electricity, we lose water where we live and even with a generator, we'd eventually run out of gas. |
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| I agree. Most anything you do is just a temporary remedy. So many people say they'll just hunt for food, but how long will that last when everyone is depending on that for ALL of their food? Our area would be over hunted quickly. And with no electricity, there will be no easy option to store the rest of what you kill for most.
We are setting up a water catchment system, they seem fairly easy to do. I have lots of seeds, but in the winter we are limited in what we can grow. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | We have a cave way in the middle of no-where. It has a natural spring coming out of the mountain. I also have a small stock pile of food, as well as one of those buckets full of emergency rations (they had a special on QVC a while back. Has a 20 year shelf live).
My SO makes a living hunting and tracking animals. He is very outdoorsy and handy for that. Without him I would be toast in the first 5 minutes. I'm actually planning to learn how to process a deer next week. |
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Location: Florida | This thread is amazing. How do you guys sleep at night with all this worrying about something that probably won't happen, and you couldn't stop it if it did?
BTW, Trump is pushing the fear of Muslims, Obama is preaching being calm. |
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Location: Kansas | Vickie - 2015-12-11 10:07 AM This thread is amazing. How do you guys sleep at night with all this worrying about something that probably won't happen, and you couldn't stop it if it did?
BTW, Trump is pushing the fear of Muslims, Obama is preaching being calm.
Trump is, in his inarticulate way, looking for a way to keep the American people safe from ISIS.
Obama is doing what he does best......nothing.
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Location: Kansas | Frodo - 2015-12-11 10:23 AM Vickie - 2015-12-11 10:07 AM This thread is amazing. How do you guys sleep at night with all this worrying about something that probably won't happen, and you couldn't stop it if it did?
BTW, Trump is pushing the fear of Muslims, Obama is preaching being calm. Trump is, in his inarticulate way, looking for a way to keep the American people safe from ISIS.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2015-12-11 10:07 AM
This thread is amazing. How do you guys sleep at night with all this worrying about something that probably won't happen, and you couldn't stop it if it did?
BTW, Trump is pushing the fear of Muslims, Obama is preaching being calm.
We shouldn't worry, especially with our current president. He's always been on the mark in his assessments and assurances. We need to follow the example of the progressive lemmings and just follow orders. He made promises about ObamaCare like "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." His ISIS assessments as a JV team inspires confidence in his judgement. His admonishing Assad about the "red line" in Syria shows just how resolute he can be.
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| My "fears" far predate current events. Back before the "Wall" went down, I did not fear the Russians pushing the button nor of a Russian invasion. My fears were/are of China and the Middle East. China for it's sheer population and need for resources and the Middle East for it's LONG history of unrest and it's ability of producing fanatics with no regard of human life, including their own.
I have always strived for as much self reliance as possible but have come to the conclusion that to keep whatever resources one has will take firepower and the banding together of more than just one family to keep a 24/7 well armed guard and watch. As Louie L'amour once wrote "The veneer of civilization is thin..." and you will not only have to fear the enemy but your neighbor and even family as well, when it comes to sheer survival. A single person , living in the shadows, barely eeking out an existence will have a better chance of survival than any group. So I have pretty much decided to make common sense efforts to be self reliant, but if things get really bad, hope that I am under a direct hit, or at least go down fighting. In the meanwhile I will refuse to live my life in fear which is not the same as burying my head in the sand.
As for Obama preaching calm? It fits right in with the first stages of Jihad. And it does nothing to "soothe " an enemy. Not to mention this particular enemy does not want calm or peace, they want total, 100%, compliance and domination and is willing not only for you to die but will willingly sacrifice themselves to get it.
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Location: Arizona | Whether you are prepared/preparing for a temporary or long term scenario, well that's a personal choice. But I think it is foolish not to have at least basic supplies for yourself or your family that would help you in the event of a disaster in your area. I've lived many places throughout my life, and I will tell you there are dangers in every locale that could potentially "shut you off" from electricity, stores to resupply your home and family and support from medical care and law enforcement. I was born and lived the first 10 years of my life in southern California. During that time we had the Landers and Northridge quakes. The LA Riots. My elementary school actually required parents to provide a 3-day kit of food & water for their children on the back to school shopping list, it was kept in the classroom in the event an earthquake trapped us in the building. I've lived in Wyoming, Idaho, & currently Montana. Here, you have to contend with the freezing winters, possible flooding in river valleys, more earthquakes or even volcanic activity depending on the area. Lots of predators. I've lived in Oklahoma, there you had tornados. I spent 14 years in southern Arizona, there you had the blazing summers. Water is always a concern. We had a microburst hit near our house in AZ back in 2003 and knock out electricity for 3 days. In August. Worrying about how to water 10 head of horses when your neighborhood's well runs on electricity and there is no live water for many, many miles is exhausting. Luckily there was enough of a gravity trickle in the lines that we could keep some troughs filled. Anything can happen anywhere, at any time. Sometimes there is nobody to help you but yourself. To me, It's only common sense to at least be prepared to keep you and your family and animals cared for for several weeks, at the minimum.I just read the book One Second After by William R. Forstchen, I highly recommend it. It's a rather sobering look at how quickly society would break down without electricity (in the book, we're attacked with EMPs). I'm currently reading the sequel, One Year After. The books bring up a lot of concerns that you probably wouldn't think of right off the bat, and it's amazing to me just how fast vast portions of the population would die probably die off. In a week, 2 weeks, a month, 60-90 days. They estimate 80% would be gone in the first year. It's scary how dependent we are on a single service.
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Location: Florida | Oh, I am prepared, just like almost all Florida natives. I was cut off for most of 3 weeks straight in 2004. I have a huge propane tank and a generator, well with a back up hand pump, chickens and a wood burning stove/heater. Three rifles, one pistol, a machete and about 500 rounds of amo. What more would you need?
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Location: Kansas | Obama is now working on curtailing the sale of guns by executive order. Guns shops are calling him "Salesman of the Year."
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Frodo - 2015-12-11 11:17 AM Obama is now working on curtailing the sale of guns by executive order. Guns shops are calling him "Salesman of the Year."
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Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2015-12-11 11:24 AM
Oh, I am prepared, just like almost all Florida natives. I was cut off for most of 3 weeks straight in 2004. I have a huge propane tank and a generator, well with a back up hand pump, chickens and a wood burning stove/heater. Three rifles, one pistol, a machete and about 500 rounds of amo. What more would you need?
More of everything you mentioned. Security, water, food, shelter, clothing, then medical supplies is the most logical way to prioritize requirements. Meds can be moved up or down the list depending upon the health of the people preparing....................But medical supplies include personal medications. Obviously, I have given this so thought as everyone should. |
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Location: North Texas | Whinny19 - 2015-12-11 10:47 AM
Whether you are prepared/preparing for a temporary or long term scenario, well that's a personal choice. But I think it is foolish not to have at least basic supplies for yourself or your family that would help you in the event of a disaster in your area. I've lived many places throughout my life, and I will tell you there are dangers in every locale that could potentially "shut you off" from electricity, stores to resupply your home and family and support from medical care and law enforcement. I was born and lived the first 10 years of my life in southern California. During that time we had the Landers and Northridge quakes. The LA Riots. My elementary school actually required parents to provide a 3-day kit of food & water for their children on the back to school shopping list, it was kept in the classroom in the event an earthquake trapped us in the building. I've lived in Wyoming, Idaho, & currently Montana. Here, you have to contend with the freezing winters, possible flooding in river valleys, more earthquakes or even volcanic activity depending on the area. Lots of predators. I've lived in Oklahoma, there you had tornados. I spent 14 years in southern Arizona, there you had the blazing summers. Water is always a concern. We had a microburst hit near our house in AZ back in 2003 and knock out electricity for 3 days. In August. Worrying about how to water 10 head of horses when your neighborhood's well runs on electricity and there is no live water for many, many miles is exhausting. Luckily there was enough of a gravity trickle in the lines that we could keep some troughs filled. Anything can happen anywhere, at any time. Sometimes there is nobody to help you but yourself. To me, It's only common sense to at least be prepared to keep you and your family and animals cared for for several weeks, at the minimum.I just read the book One Second After by William R. Forstchen, I highly recommend it. It's a rather sobering look at how quickly society would break down without electricity (in the book, we're attacked with EMPs). I'm currently reading the sequel, One Year After. The books bring up a lot of concerns that you probably wouldn't think of right off the bat, and it's amazing to me just how fast vast portions of the population would die probably die off. In a week, 2 weeks, a month, 60-90 days. They estimate 80% would be gone in the first year. It's scary how dependent we are on a single service.
I have read both books mentioned and there is a third one in the pipeline according to the Author. Sobering to read to say the least. Lights Out is another recommendation I would make to read. It is available on Amazon I believe. I have it in E Version from Barnes and Nobles on my Nook. |
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Location: Arizona | The story especially hit home with me as my step son is a type 1 diabetic... we keep several months of his supplies in stock just in case, and he is a young adult (22), but the prospect of not being able to get insulin, or not having a way to store it properly, is still a terrifying one. I will check out Lights Out as well. The next one I have waiting in the wings is called California by Edan Lepucki, from the description on the back it's in a similar vein as the other books mentioned. |
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Location: Arizona | foundation horse - 2015-12-12 4:52 PM
Vickie - 2015-12-11 11:24 AM
Oh, I am prepared, just like almost all Florida natives. I was cut off for most of 3 weeks straight in 2004. I have a huge propane tank and a generator, well with a back up hand pump, chickens and a wood burning stove/heater. Three rifles, one pistol, a machete and about 500 rounds of amo. What more would you need?
More of everything you mentioned. Security, water, food, shelter, clothing, then medical supplies is the most logical way to prioritize requirements. Meds can be moved up or down the list depending upon the health of the people preparing....................But medical supplies include personal medications. Obviously, I have given this so thought as everyone should.
You are probably more prepared than most Vickie, and that is just the kind of regional preparedness everyone should have at home. As far as what more, FH covered it pretty well. It all depends on individual goals and the means you have to meet them. For some people that might mean 3-6 months of supplies, for others a year, for others 5 years. Being as prepared as I can is something I work towards, but it doesn't consume my life. I think the key is not to worry about these things, concern is normal but if you are stuck in fear and anxiety it isn't going to help you anyway. You are never going to be completely prepared and have every base covered, so there is no point in stressing out about it. Just do what you can and have contingency plans in place. |
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Location: Florida | Whinny19 - 2015-12-11 7:40 PM foundation horse - 2015-12-12 4:52 PM Vickie - 2015-12-11 11:24 AM Oh, I am prepared, just like almost all Florida natives. I was cut off for most of 3 weeks straight in 2004. I have a huge propane tank and a generator, well with a back up hand pump, chickens and a wood burning stove/heater. Three rifles, one pistol, a machete and about 500 rounds of amo. What more would you need? More of everything you mentioned. Security, water, food, shelter, clothing, then medical supplies is the most logical way to prioritize requirements. Meds can be moved up or down the list depending upon the health of the people preparing....................But medical supplies include personal medications. Obviously, I have given this so thought as everyone should.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Some very good suggestions on this thread. You can go a long ways toward preparedness without breaking the bank. Start by imagining what you need in order to survive without access to electricity, fuel, and vehicles. If there ever is am EMP attack, almost everything electrical will be disabled. (Look up "faraday cages"). As far as preparation, if you are serious, sit down and start thinking of essential items. To begin with, Google is your friend. You have to assume you won't have Internet. There is a ton of information out there on survivalism and "How to...." books. Start printing it out. You can never have too much. Get your hands on books and manuals on everything from water purification, disease management, wound care, electricity, plumbing, you name it. You can create a library of vital information.
Start writing down a list, beginning with the most critical. Think of all the tools you need....carpentry, mechanical, building materials, nuts, bolts, nails, gardening tools, etc.... Explore options for water purification and storage. Then there's food......obviously livestock and chickens, but plan for a big garden. You should stockpile seed, and non perishable food. Learn how to prepare your own seed from the garden. Most of this is not complicated, if you sit down and think ahead. Obviously guns and ammo is vital.
As far as medicines and medical supplies, again start printing. You might have limited access to medications. My advice is to keep as much as possible on hand, obviously.
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Location: Arizona | Totally agree with Bear. A couple other books that are excellent library editions are The Self Sufficient Life and The New Self Sufficient Gardener, both by John Seymour. A whole gotta info in those two books alone, I'm constantly rereading them. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2015-12-11 10:22 PM Some very good suggestions on this thread. You can go a long ways toward preparedness without breaking the bank. Start by imagining what you need in order to survive without access to electricity, fuel, and vehicles. If there ever is am EMP attack, almost everything electrical will be disabled. (Look up "faraday cages" ). As far as preparation, if you are serious, sit down and start thinking of essential items. To begin with, Google is your friend. You have to assume you won't have Internet. There is a ton of information out there on survivalism and "How to...." books. Start printing it out. You can never have too much. Get your hands on books and manuals on everything from water purification, disease management, wound care, electricity, plumbing, you name it. You can create a library of vital information. Start writing down a list, beginning with the most critical. Think of all the tools you need....carpentry, mechanical, building materials, nuts, bolts, nails, gardening tools, etc.... Explore options for water purification and storage. Then there's food......obviously livestock and chickens, but plan for a big garden. You should stockpile seed, and non perishable food. Learn how to prepare your own seed from the garden. Most of this is not complicated, if you sit down and think ahead. Obviously guns and ammo is vital. As far as medicines and medical supplies, again start printing. You might have limited access to medications. My advice is to keep as much as possible on hand, obviously. If you have a doctor living nearby......be extra nice to him. He might come in handy!
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| I think we can live pretty well - if things go south. We have a natural gas generator (1950's) - spare parts and a basic mechanical knowledge of how to repair it.
We have a gravity fed spring. Garden (seeds stockpiled), Canned goods from the garden - about 18 months worth. Raise beef, pigs, and chickens - can milk a cow - neighbors have dairy cows.
Working on getting horse drawn equipment to till the ground, and teaching the horses to work in harness is next on the list.
I am a nurse, so that helps a little- stockpiled the more simple things. Saline, IV sets, regular meds. No one, at this time has any major health problems. Except allergies - sure is hard to get enough decongestants for all of us LOL
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | The biggest thing to survive will be your ability to kill another human to preserve yourself and those around you. This is point blank. Our food supply in this country will shrink to 20% of what it is now. People in the big cities will become roving packs of animals and will kill anyone that gets in their way for food. This will go on until at least 80% of the population is gone. Only the healthy and the mentally strong will survive. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Food storage, water purifier, gun and ammo, extra money and clothes. |
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Location: Texas | Douglas J Gordon - 2015-12-13 6:37 PM
Food storage, water purifier, gun and ammo, extra money and clothes.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | BS Hauler - 2015-12-13 6:03 PM The biggest thing to survive will be your ability to kill another human to preserve yourself and those around you. This is point blank. Our food supply in this country will shrink to 20% of what it is now. People in the big cities will become roving packs of animals and will kill anyone that gets in their way for food. This will go on until at least 80% of the population is gone. Only the healthy and the mentally strong will survive.
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Location: Oregon | I may be old but I have a lot of ammo. |
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Location: Kansas | Did anyone see the movie "The Road" with Viggo Mortenson. Deals with this scenario. Very depressing movie.
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | Well this thread has inspired me to fill up a sheet of notebook paper with survival stuff I need to get. At least I'm getting organized. The BF has 2 bug-out bags but I'm gathering a super complete list including emergency supplies for horses. The only things I see being a huge issues for long-term survival are 1. I need thyroid meds to function but can only get a month's worth at a time. 2. My horse is a pansy and requires shoes and back injections. Without those he is unlikely to stay sound. 3. Contacts and a flat iron. I know those seem really petty but wearing glasses is absolute torture for me and I really don't want to be a frizzy-haired freak again. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | It's not that an EMP scenario is the most likely, but an EMP scenario like the one in "One Second After" is probably the deadliest, so if you prepare for that, you are maximally prepared. There are other scenarios, like widespread anarchy, civil unrest, and chaos, total collapse of our monetary and banking system, nuclear war (I think it's just a matter of time)....basically anything one can imagine. It's not that hard to be prepared to survive for a few months, but having the necessary materiel and skills to sustain oneself beyond a couple months. Ask yourself if you could survive with 18th century technology. Food, water, clothing, shelter, medicine, weapons/protection, etc.... Also, know your neighbors. Groups of people banning together probably have a better chance. Do you have any special skills or resources? Money might very well be useless.....then all you can do is barter, the way they did 200-300 years ago. You can start by filling a notebook up....make that list of things you need. Start with the basics. At the same time, begin to hoard books. Use Google for "How to...." information and print it out. |
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Location: East Texas | I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want.
If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices.
I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste. |
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Location: East Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM
CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices.
I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste.
I agree, but I don't foresee a world wide collapse that will last forever. So when our country does come back or what ever new country would take it's place or I move to, I do not want to start over at zero. I am not too worried about surviving the in between time. It is almost a given the currency will be lost or value of currency decrease to almost nothing, and a pretty good bet that you could lose your home and property as well. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Frodo - 2015-12-14 7:19 AM Did anyone see the movie "The Road" with Viggo Mortenson. Deals with this scenario. Very depressing movie.
I did. My dad wanted us to see it. HORRIBLE scary movie. It is amazing how fast humans can literally turn into monsters. |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | With the way livestock is raised mainly hogs and chickens in confinement buildings that need electricity. Which is problably 90% of them, without electricity for just a week they would all be dead. Stores will be empty within 2 days. The absolute best money will be bullits. You will be able to trade them for anything you want. |
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Location: North Dakota | CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 10:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices.
I used to be a dispatcher for power outages after hours. You would not BELIEVE how much people completely freak out after even a few hours w/o power. I don't know how many times I hear "but I have to feed my kids and get them to bed. How am I supposed to do that without power?" If a storm or something rolled through and they had to be out of power for a day or two they would LOSE THEIR MINDS. People with livestock or life threating medical issues had NO backup plan for even less than 48 hours. This is why I totally believe the vast majority of the population will die off very quickly. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 10:43 AM
I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want.
If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices.
Even precious metals might be useless. It's a good idea to have real cash on hand, including things like gold and silver. It doesn't earn anything in a bank nowadays anyway. More important than that is the importance of having anything useful that isn't consummed or used up in a short period of time.....in other words, think "durable goods": tools, devices, equipment, hardware, even building materials. Wood, such as 2X4s and plywood, preferably treated can be a durable good.
If you have a large propane tank.....keep it full. You are always going to use it anyway. If you have smaller tanks, get an extra.
If you really want to be prepared, read about how to build a "Faraday cage", which basically shields it's contents from electromagnetic radiation. The Internet is full of articles that provide instructions on how to build a wide variety of these things. It can be done very inexpensively. Even a metal trash can can be made into a Faraday cage. All you need to do is insulate it with cardboard. You can at least keep a battery powered radio in it, for instance. If you have older vehicles, make sure they are kept in running order. Because they don't depend on delicate circuitry, they are unlikely to be disabled by an EMP. Bottom line is this: Start reading and printing. The questions that will come up are limitless. |
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Location: Michigan | crapshooter - 2015-12-13 9:38 PM
I may be old but I have a lot of ammo.
But unless you are willing to shoot the starving family from the next town/road over who are simply needing your food/water as they are dying it is useless.
Sure it might be easy to shoot the "bad guys" coming to get you and your stuff, but a little different when They are just normal people needing at least some of what you have or watch their children die. There are millions of people in urban areas that will be headed out of town in the hopes of finding someone like you willing to share your stuff or kill you to take it.
Even if very well supplied the best and maybe only way to survive would be to remain invisible to the roving starving masses that are just trying survive another day. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM
CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices.
I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste.
Now you're thinking! Get to know people around you....neighbors. Someone down the road might not have cattle, but they might have several grain bins full of wheat....barter. I happen to have a skill that can be bartered, for example.
I can't emphasize enough the importance of hoarding information. The more you read, the more you uncover important questions. For example, someone mentioned insulin and diabetics. Do you know the shelf life of a bottle of insulin? Find out. You won't have refrigeration.......does that mean you can't figure out a way to keep things cool? Do you know how to make dry ice? These sorts of questions have solutions......start digging. Besides, it's interesting. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Bear - 2015-12-14 10:49 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices. I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste. Now you're thinking! Get to know people around you....neighbors. Someone down the road might not have cattle, but they might have several grain bins full of wheat....barter. I happen to have a skill that can be bartered, for example. I can't emphasize enough the importance of hoarding information. The more you read, the more you uncover important questions. For example, someone mentioned insulin and diabetics. Do you know the shelf life of a bottle of insulin? Find out. You won't have refrigeration.......does that mean you can't figure out a way to keep things cool? Do you know how to make dry ice? These sorts of questions have solutions......start digging. Besides, it's interesting.
And those that have seeds, I am a very unskilled gardner, but I try yearly. You have to have seeds (can't remember what they are called) that will produce vegetables and fruit that will produce seeds that can again reproduce. Hope that makes sense. So many seeds are man-made per se and won't recreate when re planted. I bougth a container of those to have just in case. |
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| i am history as i am 65 in a wheelchair and my life depends on certain medcal things
but hey i believe in god he is my lord and savior i am not gonna sweat it but i agree its gonna happen |
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | Bear - 2015-12-14 9:49 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM
CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices.
I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste.
Now you're thinking! Get to know people around you....neighbors. Someone down the road might not have cattle, but they might have several grain bins full of wheat....barter. I happen to have a skill that can be bartered, for example.
I can't emphasize enough the importance of hoarding information. The more you read, the more you uncover important questions. For example, someone mentioned insulin and diabetics. Do you know the shelf life of a bottle of insulin? Find out. You won't have refrigeration.......does that mean you can't figure out a way to keep things cool? Do you know how to make dry ice? These sorts of questions have solutions......start digging. Besides, it's interesting.
We keep "Get Home" bags in all of our vehicles, with ALL the necessary supplies. We are blessed to live in a very low-value area in case of a terrorist attack, and are hours away from any cities that people would be leaving en mass.
Our plan, no matter what, is to GET HOME. We have the means to be self-sustained for YEARS. Once we get home, we plan on destroying the county road just below one of our neighbors' places and essentially starting our own community up the canyon where we live if the world as we know it ever came to a screeching, disastrous halt. We've talked with several neighbors around us, and between us all - we'd have a pretty nice, well-rounded community that could provide for everyone for years if necessary.
Of course, we all pray that that day never comes, but we are prepared in case it does. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | vjls - 2015-12-14 11:57 AM
i am history as i am 65 in a wheelchair and my life depends on certain medcal things
but hey i believe in god he is my lord and savior i am not gonna sweat it but i agree its gonna happen
Nonsense. Get your ass over here. We'll put you to work. We'll figure out something for you to do. You have a perfectly good brain. If you have decent function of your arms, then maybe you can cook or sew. Maybe I can handle most of your medical needs.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Bear - 2015-12-14 11:49 AM vjls - 2015-12-14 11:57 AM i am history as i am 65 in a wheelchair and my life depends on certain medcal things
but hey i believe in god he is my lord and savior i am not gonna sweat it but i agree its gonna happen Nonsense. Get your ass over here. We'll put you to work. We'll figure out something for you to do. You have a perfectly good brain. If you have decent function of your arms, then maybe you can cook or sew. Maybe I can handle most of your medical needs. Just an illustration......
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 11:57 AM
Bear - 2015-12-14 10:49 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices. I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste. Now you're thinking! Get to know people around you....neighbors. Someone down the road might not have cattle, but they might have several grain bins full of wheat....barter. I happen to have a skill that can be bartered, for example. I can't emphasize enough the importance of hoarding information. The more you read, the more you uncover important questions. For example, someone mentioned insulin and diabetics. Do you know the shelf life of a bottle of insulin? Find out. You won't have refrigeration.......does that mean you can't figure out a way to keep things cool? Do you know how to make dry ice? These sorts of questions have solutions......start digging. Besides, it's interesting.
Plant vegetables that produce viable seeds. Look up and print articles on making your own seed. Keep everything on paper, just in case. |
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | Bear - 2015-12-14 10:52 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 11:57 AM
Bear - 2015-12-14 10:49 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices. I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste. Now you're thinking! Get to know people around you....neighbors. Someone down the road might not have cattle, but they might have several grain bins full of wheat....barter. I happen to have a skill that can be bartered, for example. I can't emphasize enough the importance of hoarding information. The more you read, the more you uncover important questions. For example, someone mentioned insulin and diabetics. Do you know the shelf life of a bottle of insulin? Find out. You won't have refrigeration.......does that mean you can't figure out a way to keep things cool? Do you know how to make dry ice? These sorts of questions have solutions......start digging. Besides, it's interesting.
Plant vegetables that produce viable seeds. Look up and print articles on making your own seed. Keep everything on paper, just in case.
And if you can, buy heirloom seeds FROM YOUR AREA. Also, learn what grows well in your area. For instance, I'm not going to beat my brains out trying to grow corn and watermelon up here in Oregon. I will however, live nicely on gourmet mushrooms, berries, potatoes, garlic, onions, and squashes. |
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Location: North Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 11:57 AM
Bear - 2015-12-14 10:49 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices. I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste. Now you're thinking! Get to know people around you....neighbors. Someone down the road might not have cattle, but they might have several grain bins full of wheat....barter. I happen to have a skill that can be bartered, for example. I can't emphasize enough the importance of hoarding information. The more you read, the more you uncover important questions. For example, someone mentioned insulin and diabetics. Do you know the shelf life of a bottle of insulin? Find out. You won't have refrigeration.......does that mean you can't figure out a way to keep things cool? Do you know how to make dry ice? These sorts of questions have solutions......start digging. Besides, it's interesting.
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Location: East Texas | We are farm and ranch people. So most of those things you talked about we have, and we will get by. We have an artesian spring on our place so water will not be a problem. Ponds are stocked and wildlife is plentiful. May need some more veggies.
Several years ago my area had a huge storm that even took down the enormous metal towers carrying electric lines. My parents were without electricity for 5-6 weeks. So it can be done.
I do like the idea of taking out the road. Like several have mentioned, I think one of the biggest concerns will be people wanting to take what you have. |
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