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Location: Where I am happiest | Did anybody by chance record the steer wrestling last night? What the heck was with the no flag on Luke Branquino? |
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Location: Randolph, Utah | ThreeCorners - 2015-12-10 7:12 AM
Did anybody by chance record the steer wrestling last night? What the heck was with the no flag on Luke Branquino?
I think the flagger didn't think all 4 feet were out, but the replay looked like he should of gotten a time. |
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| Sure looked like all 4 were out to me and that Luke got robbed, bad deal |
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| It was because the flagger said he knocked the steer down. If you knock a steer down, you must let the steer up and then re-throw. |
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Location: The edge of no where | I want to go whop the flag man on the head.  We watched it in slo - mo, flag man royally screwed up. Luke was pretty decent in the average and the crap call took him out. He's on my fantasy team and it's going to kill me not to have him in the average. Even Joe B said he got a bad call.
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The flag man was Alan Jordan. His wife Jolee (formerly Lautaret) does the radio show with Steve Kenyon every night. |
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Location: Washington | Time for instant replay.  |
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Location: Randolph, Utah | Are the judges for the NFR voted on by the contestants, or how are they selected?
Is this a different judge than flagged Luke out a few years ago in the 10th round? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I think Luke got skunked |
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Location: Northwest Florida | I couldn't believe that! I can understand the flag man making a mistake but after reviewing the replay WHY did they not give him a time? All four feet were definitely out. Poor Luke! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Does anybody have a link to the video of his run? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Nevermind....I found a still pic of his point of contact....the steer was down on his knees when he took hold......Steer is considered knocked down if he is knocked to his knees in front, his hocks behind or in combination, before his body direction is changed or brought to a stop. The knockdown rule comes into play before he ever goes to the nose.......
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| BigStarBound - 2015-12-10 1:33 PM I couldn't believe that! I can understand the flag man making a mistake but after reviewing the replay WHY did they not give him a time? All four feet were definitely out. Poor Luke!
It wasn't about the steers feet. He flagged him out before that. The judge said he knocked the steer down. In that situation the steer must be allowed back to his feet to then be thrown. Same rule as calf roping basically. I haven't seen it again or seen it in slow motion so I don't know for sure if Luke did in fact knock the steer down. It looked to me like the steer was down before Luke threw him which then caused the steer to have his body and legs kind of rolled up. I would have to look at it again to be sure. It may just have been a bad call. |
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| NJJ - 2015-12-10 7:41 PM Nevermind....I found a still pic of his point of contact....the steer was down on his knees when he took hold......Steer is considered knocked down if he is knocked to his knees in front, his hocks behind or in combination, before his body direction is changed or brought to a stop. The knockdown rule comes into play before he ever goes to the nose.......
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Location: Louisiana | NJJ - 2015-12-10 7:41 PM Nevermind....I found a still pic of his point of contact....the steer was down on his knees when he took hold......Steer is considered knocked down if he is knocked to his knees in front, his hocks behind or in combination, before his body direction is changed or brought to a stop. The knockdown rule comes into play before he ever goes to the nose.......
Learn something new every day! Thanks!
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| FlyingJT - 2015-12-10 9:28 AM
It was because the flagger said he knocked the steer down. If you knock a steer down, you must let the steer up and then re-throw.
Thanks, now I understand |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I still think Luke got skunked, but rules are rules, to bad this happen to him.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | What the heck is that Starsky asking? In the above post.. Really strange  |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-10 8:17 PM
I still think Luke got skunked, but rules are rules, to bad this happen to him..
I haven't seen it again or in slow motion, but if it was the right call it is what it is and he wasn't wronged. If it wasn't a good call, then he was skunked. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | sodapop - 2015-12-10 8:22 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-10 8:17 PM I still think Luke got skunked, but rules are rules, to bad this happen to him.. I haven't seen it again or in slow motion, but if it was the right call it is what it is and he wasn't wronged. If it wasn't a good call, then he was skunked.
Oh I know, just to bad it happen to him, I'm sure the judge made the right call, just sucks all the way around. Just never saw a call like this befor, I learn something new all the time on here, this is what makes BHW such a neat place to be.  |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-10 8:28 PM sodapop - 2015-12-10 8:22 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-10 8:17 PM I still think Luke got skunked, but rules are rules, to bad this happen to him.. I haven't seen it again or in slow motion, but if it was the right call it is what it is and he wasn't wronged. If it wasn't a good call, then he was skunked.
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Location: oklahoma | Bad call but it happens when there's humans involved. Even with instant repplay, the NFL gets them wrong sometimes. The guy after him had the same thing happened but even got a time. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | If I remember right, the steer must be standing when thrown. The steer had gone to his knees when Luke threw him. With that being said, it really is splitting hairs. Years ago, Mike Smith was flagged out for knocking down a steer and it was obvious. His horse got tight as Mike was to the steers back and fell on the steer knocking it flat on the side.
I understand the Judge flagging Luke, I just think that he should have yelled to Luke telling him to stand him up and throw the steer again. |
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| rockette - 2015-12-10 9:29 PM If I remember right, the steer must be standing when thrown. The steer had gone to his knees when Luke threw him. With that being said, it really is splitting hairs. Years ago, Mike Smith was flagged out for knocking down a steer and it was obvious. His horse got tight as Mike was to the steers back and fell on the steer knocking it flat on the side. I understand the Judge flagging Luke, I just think that he should have yelled to Luke telling him to stand him up and throw the steer again.
I'm not so sure he wasn't telling him. I remember him riding up really close to Luke and he was saying something to Luke while he was throwing him. He wasn't waving the flag at the time and still had it up..... at least I think that's they way it went. Have no idea what he was saying to him of course. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | sodapop - 2015-12-10 9:33 PM
rockette - 2015-12-10 9:29 PM If I remember right, the steer must be standing when thrown. The steer had gone to his knees when Luke threw him. With that being said, it really is splitting hairs. Years ago, Mike Smith was flagged out for knocking down a steer and it was obvious. His horse got tight as Mike was to the steers back and fell on the steer knocking it flat on the side. I understand the Judge flagging Luke, I just think that he should have yelled to Luke telling him to stand him up and throw the steer again.
I'm not so sure he wasn't telling him. I remember him riding up really close to Luke and he was saying something to Luke while he was throwing him. He wasn't waving the flag at the time and still had it up..... at least I think that's they way it went. Have no idea what he was saying to him of course.
I don't know either. Not faulting anybody, just shucks. :( |
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| Luke just redeemed himself in round 8. Great run! |
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| Luke's brother put a post up that they know the judge really well and he's very nice and fair. That they trust his decision and even though they are disappointed, that Luke was ready for the next round... |
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Location: Where it isn’t cold! | FlyingJT - 2015-12-11 5:54 AM
Luke's brother put a post up that they know the judge really well and he's very nice and fair. That they trust his decision and even though they are disappointed, that Luke was ready for the next round...
And that is why Luke is the class act that he is. |
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Location: The edge of no where | sodapop - 2015-12-10 9:33 PM rockette - 2015-12-10 9:29 PM If I remember right, the steer must be standing when thrown. The steer had gone to his knees when Luke threw him. With that being said, it really is splitting hairs. Years ago, Mike Smith was flagged out for knocking down a steer and it was obvious. His horse got tight as Mike was to the steers back and fell on the steer knocking it flat on the side. I understand the Judge flagging Luke, I just think that he should have yelled to Luke telling him to stand him up and throw the steer again. I'm not so sure he wasn't telling him. I remember him riding up really close to Luke and he was saying something to Luke while he was throwing him. He wasn't waving the flag at the time and still had it up..... at least I think that's they way it went. Have no idea what he was saying to him of course.
He never flagged him out until Luke turned the steer loose. Everyone makes mistakes and it sure seems like on instant replay the flag man made a bad call. There's times I really wish rodeo had instant replay. |
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Steer Wrestling round 7