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Is he for real? Is he being sincere? Does he truly believe he can enact all these changes that need approval through the branches all the while, alienating our alies?
I just don't know. I can' t say without a shred of doubt that the man is on the up. I think he knows exactly what he's doing and I can't decide if its something that should be respected.
What do you think of Trump? Do you believe he will get the nomination and if so, will you vote for him?
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I think he wants to win and the polls are encouraging his actions and statements. He is getting positive feedback in the form of his poll numbers. If he keeps things stirred up, and (I can't even type her name) Clinton wins (shudder) he wants to be in her good graces enough so he gets something out of that, too. If it happens, it will be an unintended consequence of his words and actions. It's just politics. I don't think there is any grand conspiracy going on. |
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Location: SE KS | I agree, I can't decide whether he is good or just talk. I do respect his business savvy, & believe our country needs a business minded person, just not sure if he's the one! I also wonder if he is the lesser of the evils.
I do "like" Ben Carson, but he doesn't get the "airtime" that the others seem to.
I don't care for any of the Democratic hopefuls, once again I have my lesser of the evils = Bernie Sanders
I'm glad we still have a little time before we have to decide who to vote for.
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | The media has tried to crucify him.... I dont think they can get the job done. Hillary is a horrible choice and made a deal with the devil 8 years ago. I hope the democratic party gets fried over it.
I am so sick of politics I am ready to vote for trump today. We need a powerful person to lead this nation and I think he is they guy to get it done. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:37 AM
I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination.
THAT is what I personally think might happen. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-12-10 8:37 AM I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination.
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Location: Where I am happiest | The only ** sane** one of the democratic runners was Jim Web but he dropped out. He is supposedly contemplating running as an independant though. |
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| Time is running out. Instead of discussing other issues that need adressing, we are forced to deal with the extremist. This couple in Calif proved beyond a doubt that they will get over her by train or crane. I think we need an aggressive leader but also one that will work within the system and not **** off the world. I'm literally praying for Ted Cruz at this point. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | RidenFly - 2015-12-10 9:38 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:37 AM I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination. THAT is what I personally think might happen.
you guys miss where he signed with the republican party that he would NOT run as an independant? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | rodeomom3 - 2015-12-10 8:50 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-10 8:37 AM I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination. Agree
^^^^^ THIS ....... he is "playing" to the media by stirring controversy and saying what people WANT to hear. Therefore getting "air time"..... even though he can't get ANY of it done. He has alientated too many people in the U.S. and now starting on alienating our "allies"...... |
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| lhighquality - 2015-12-10 8:29 AM I agree, I can't decide whether he is good or just talk. I do respect his business savvy, & believe our country needs a business minded person, just not sure if he's the one! I also wonder if he is the lesser of the evils. I do "like" Ben Carson, but he doesn't get the "airtime" that the others seem to. I don't care for any of the Democratic hopefuls, once again I have my lesser of the evils = Bernie Sanders I'm glad we still have a little time before we have to decide who to vote for.
Agree with you. I like that Trump is causing everyone to have to discuss the important issues. I like that he is blunt and to the point. However, I keep waiting for him to explain how he is going to execute his promises. I am starting to feel like he is only talking... I realize he is not a professional politician, I just need to hear from him what he is going to do to make all these changes. I like Carson also. I think he is smart man that I find myself agreeing with often. I think his soft spoken deminer gets him less media attention. I just PRAY the right person gets the job. I am worried for our country. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | RidenFly - 2015-12-10 9:58 AM Time is running out. Instead of discussing other issues that need adressing, we are forced to deal with the extremist. This couple in Calif proved beyond a doubt that they will get over her by train or crane. I think we need an aggressive leader but also one that will work within the system and not **** off the world. I'm literally praying for Ted Cruz at this point.
why not **** off the world?.... the leader we have now has done nothing for world relations. Rather i see a strong force that will gain respect from world leaders. Trump did not get in his position by bullying.... he got there because he could work with folks, create a senerio other entrapenures wanted to be a part of and had money and manpower to back it up. Is that not who we need as a world leader? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | luluwhit - 2015-12-10 9:00 AM
RidenFly - 2015-12-10 9:38 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:37 AM I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination. THAT is what I personally think might happen.
That was just symbolic. It's not binding in anyway. All he needs to do to justify his running as a third party candidate is say he wasn't treated fairly.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | luluwhit - 2015-12-10 9:00 AM RidenFly - 2015-12-10 9:38 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:37 AM I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination. THAT is what I personally think might happen.
And you believe him? He has lied about knowing the disabled reporter....now this morning, it shows in taped testimony that he has lied about knowing and working with a "mob" connection. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | luluwhit - 2015-12-10 9:04 AM RidenFly - 2015-12-10 9:58 AM Time is running out. Instead of discussing other issues that need adressing, we are forced to deal with the extremist. This couple in Calif proved beyond a doubt that they will get over her by train or crane. I think we need an aggressive leader but also one that will work within the system and not **** off the world. I'm literally praying for Ted Cruz at this point. why not **** off the world?.... the leader we have now has done nothing for world relations. Rather i see a strong force that will gain respect from world leaders. Trump did not get in his position by bullying.... he got there because he could work with folks, create a senerio other entrapenures wanted to be a part of and had money and manpower to back it up. Is that not who we need as a world leader?
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Edited to add; I think we should have a "none of the above" option. And it wipes the slate clean and brings in a new set of candidates. lol.
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| scwebster - 2015-12-10 9:04 AM lhighquality - 2015-12-10 8:29 AM I agree, I can't decide whether he is good or just talk. I do respect his business savvy, & believe our country needs a business minded person, just not sure if he's the one! I also wonder if he is the lesser of the evils. I do "like" Ben Carson, but he doesn't get the "airtime" that the others seem to. I don't care for any of the Democratic hopefuls, once again I have my lesser of the evils = Bernie Sanders I'm glad we still have a little time before we have to decide who to vote for. Agree with you. I like that Trump is causing everyone to have to discuss the important issues. I like that he is blunt and to the point. However, I keep waiting for him to explain how he is going to execute his promises. I am starting to feel like he is only talking... I realize he is not a professional politician, I just need to hear from him what he is going to do to make all these changes. I like Carson also. I think he is smart man that I find myself agreeing with often. I think his soft spoken deminer gets him less media attention. I just PRAY the right person gets the job. I am worried for our country.
ETA I will take Ted Cruz, Rubio, any of the GOP canidates rather than Hillary Clinton...
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Location: Phoenix | The media loves it when Trump opens his mouth because it brings in the ratings that they need. I used to like him but now I think he's a little too brash and the fact that he'll say anything that's on his mind kind of scares me, especially when it comes to foreign relations.
I really like Carly Fiorina and would love to see her duke it out with Hillary. That way Hillary wouldn't win on the principle of being the first woman president. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | NJJ - 2015-12-10 10:05 AM luluwhit - 2015-12-10 9:00 AM RidenFly - 2015-12-10 9:38 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:37 AM I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination. THAT is what I personally think might happen.
your kidding right NJJ.... our current president was financed by the mob.... mr Trump will finance himself and for no other reason that wasting trillions (enough to erase the national debt) of taxpayer money on the elections over the last 50 years..... i say Vote Trump |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | vjls - 2015-12-10 10:15 AM i just wish they would talk issues not bash each other ****es me off
and why is hilary not in jail oh that right she is a clinton
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| Since when did the ability to get anything done affect anyone's campaign promises??!! Unfortunately Obama has kept more than a few by illegal Executive orders, setting a DANGEROUS precedent and Trump could follow suit. I'd like Trump to be able to follow through with "some" of his rhetoric but he does go overboard....and that is unfortunate. I'd hate to see him go 3rd party and divide the vote, giving the race to Hillary, who should never make it that far (and Socialist Bernie is not a tolerable choice....since when does declaring that one is a Socialist in this country a good thing??!!??)
All that I know is that I am beyond TIRED of career politicians. I am tired of wishy, washy political correctness (you do NOT have the RIGHT to not be offended, deal with it). Our political system is being morphed right under our eyes, we are losing control and rights by the day.....yet so many seem to think that it is OK. The purpose of power being "equally" divided between Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches is to bring reason n control to power hungry individuals and parties. We are losing that balance.
For me, I will hold out as long as I can, for a non-politician. I would vote 3rd party in an instant, if I thought they had a chance in Hades of winning, but the chance of that happening becomes more and more remote as we bring in illegals, giving them driver's licenses which open the door for them to vote and they WILL vote for those that give them the most goodies (more benefits and rights than you and I will ever hope to have) then it will become a ONE party system. If that non-politician is Trump, so be it. Maybe he can at least shake things up in Washington, much like Sarah Palin promised to. All that I know is we are SO headed down the wrong path....makes me glad that I never had kids, for I fear for the future of those coming behind us. |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | Trump is very smart, but he's obviously not a polished politician...I am so sick of voting for the "right" people only to be continually disappointed when they bow to the establishment and nothing changes...it's refreshing to see someone with balls...finally. I think his over the top solutions are what the voters want to see...at least he's not trying to stay politically correct, or stay in the middle, trying to please everyone...I think he truly sees what's best for the country, everyone else be dammed...
Having said that, I think Ted Cruz is a better candidate than Trump, but sadly, he comes off as the practiced, same ol, same ol politician to the more uninformed...and they don't trust him...I do trust him because I know how anti establishment he really is, and I trust him to do what's best a lot more than I trust Trump.
We have been lied to for so long by the RINO "establishment", that to see Trump loudly stomping them all and exposing them for what they really are is something we've all wanted to do, and it gives us some satisfaction, thru Trump, to see them squirm....personally, I love seeing them squirm and sweat just trying to find a way to shut Trump up because Trump is about to destroy their little playhouse and all those little power mongers in DC will have to find a new scam to pull off on us....
One thing is for sure, Trump has changed the way politicians think and showed us all that you don't have to play their game...
I do think he's sincere and the admiration of the public is spurring him forward...without all the crowds and the cheering and support, he will go away, but I do believe he might have an ego driven agenda also...to be the person that goes into the history books as being the one person that turned America around at a critical point and "made it great again"....but his agenda is so much better for us than Hillary's, whose elitist agenda shows how she sees us all as pieces of gravel to walk on as she moves into her ultimate power position....God help us if she gets elected....
I would hate to see another "Romney" type Republican candidate (like JEB or Rubio)....but I hate Hillary so much that I'll vote for whoever gets the Republican nomination...I hope it's Ted Cruz. Time will tell...the nomination will go to Rubio, Cruz, or Trump, no telling who will prevail...
P.S.....not to mention Trump can't be bought, which they all really hate more than anything!!
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Location: Buffalo, TX | Karlaw - 2015-12-10 10:09 AM I am from Canada but we were having this discussion last night at work, there are quite a few people from the US on my fb and all of them seem to be big trump supporters. I do not follow politics too closely and I truly think he is a bully but why does he have so many supporters? Ugh you think its bad there, come to Canada our government is trying to kill us all!
I think I can answer that with my own opinion....the RINO establishment is the real bully in America...they have thrown in with the Democrats to be part of the elite power structure in Washington DC with all of it's priveleges, and they have all lost touch with the voters....
It takes a bigger bully to fight fire with fire....and Trump is very smart because he knows from the inside how they operate, and knows exactly what it takes to disarm them and put them off their game...and he's so good at it....America needs the bigger bully to fight for us right now, it's been too long....that's what we all see...hope that was a decent answer... |
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'You got this country by being jerks and your going to need a jerk to keep it'
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Karlaw - 2015-12-10 10:09 AM I am from Canada but we were having this discussion last night at work, there are quite a few people from the US on my fb and all of them seem to be big trump supporters. I do not follow politics too closely and I truly think he is a bully but why does he have so many supporters? Ugh you think its bad there, come to Canada our government is trying to kill us all!
I think I can answer that with my own opinion....the RINO establishment is the real bully in America...they have thrown in with the Democrats to be part of the elite power structure in Washington DC with all of it's priveleges, and they have all lost touch with the voters....
It takes a bigger bully to fight fire with fire....and Trump is very smart because he knows from the inside how they operate, and knows exactly what it takes to disarm them and put them off their game...and he's so good at it....America needs the bigger bully to fight for us right now, it's been too long....that's what we all see...hope that was a decent answer...
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1.) Someone with strength of character and courage to stand behind certain core convictions.
2.) Someone who can't be bought, or unduly influenced by anyone.
3.) Someone who feels our government is out of control, meddlesome, and bloated.
4.) Someone who can inspire and bring the country back together, rather than promote divisions.
4.) Someone who has accomplished something that would look good on a resume'.
5.) Someone with original ideas.
6.) Someone who can command respect around the globe, and, step up and lead when a crisis or event calls for it, whether it's ISIS, North Korea, China, or Russia.
7.) Someone who is unafraid to look at their own mistakes, and own them.
8.) Someone who is unafraid to take a stand, even when the prevailing winds of public opinion runs contrary.
9.) Someone who feels strongly about working within the limits posed on the federal government by the constitution.
10.) Someone who believes in free market capitalism.
11.) Someone willing to slash the size of government and slash both federal spending and taxes, both personal and corporate.
12.) Someone willing to vigorously advocate for term limits.
13.) Someone who believes in state's rights.
14.) Someone who can propose real, fair tax reform and drastically simplify our tax code, once and for all....not just "tweak" the existing code which even experts don't fully understand.
15.) Someone willing to take on the "third rail of American politics" and reform social security into something each citizen actually owns. One that takes advantage the immense power of our capitalist economy to turn it into something where people want in on the action. One where the mandatory contribution is invested in a diverse private sector portfolio.
16.) Someone willing to propose transitioning Medicare into a private retirement healthcare fund....same as Social Security.
17.) Someone who will sh!tcan ObamaCare and use free market capitalism to reform healthcare......eliminating barriers across state lines to health insurers, promoting expanded HSA accounts that rollover into privately owned IRA's, promoting catastrophic health insurance concurrently with the HSA's and vigorously promoting the merits and benefits.
18.) Someone who will make certain we continue to have a military that is vastly more powerful than any other country on the face of the earth.
18.) Someone who will solve the border problem, once and for all.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | river runner - 2015-12-10 7:35 AM
I was shocked to read that banning muslims would actually be legal. I don't remember the exact laws but it is legal for the president to not let aliens in that have made threats or pose dangers to the US. I think it is reasonable to ask our leaders to stop the flow of people from the middle east and try to get a handle on security. Once again our nation is not following laws that are all ready on the books, just like with guns!
Originally posted by Linda Terry, Islam, by law, is prohibited from US immigration The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of Aliens to the US and remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means." This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States, but this law is being ignored by the White House.
Islamic immigration to the US would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the US government, the Constitution, and to the Republic.
All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life's guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the political correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from entering the US because Islam is a religion. Whether it is a religion is immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with any "organization" that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited. Enforce the law!! This 1952 law has been revised, but INA Act 212 is in effect today. Google INA Act 212 and read it. Those advocating the overthrow of our government are still not allowed.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | So far Trump is saying what I want to hear. I think if he gets into office our weak minded politicians will follow him. If they don't, they get voted out of their cushy jobs. We need to speak in a voice that even the politicians can hear. Going outside the parties is a way to do that. Most people who are speaking out against what Trump says haven't listened to what he said. They are reading the MSM bullsh*t version of it where they twist it to mean something else.
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river runner - 2015-12-10 7:35 AM
I was shocked to read that banning muslims would actually be legal. I don't remember the exact laws but it is legal for the president to not let aliens in that have made threats or pose dangers to the US. I think it is reasonable to ask our leaders to stop the flow of people from the middle east and try to get a handle on security. Once again our nation is not following laws that are all ready on the books, just like with guns!
Originally posted by Linda Terry, Islam, by law, is prohibited from US immigration The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of Aliens to the US and remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means." This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States, but this law is being ignored by the White House.
Islamic immigration to the US would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the US government, the Constitution, and to the Republic.
All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life's guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the political correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from entering the US because Islam is a religion. Whether it is a religion is immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with any "organization" that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited. Enforce the law!! This 1952 law has been revised, but INA Act 212 is in effect today. Google INA Act 212 and read it. Those advocating the overthrow of our government are still not allowed.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Cindy Hamilton - 2015-12-10 7:58 AM
Trump is very smart, but he's obviously not a polished politician...I am so sick of voting for the "right" people only to be continually disappointed when they bow to the establishment and nothing changes...it's refreshing to see someone with balls...finally. I think his over the top solutions are what the voters want to see...at least he's not trying to stay politically correct, or stay in the middle, trying to please everyone...I think he truly sees what's best for the country, everyone else be dammed...
Having said that, I think Ted Cruz is a better candidate than Trump, but sadly, he comes off as the practiced, same ol, same ol politician to the more uninformed...and they don't trust him...I do trust him because I know how anti establishment he really is, and I trust him to do what's best a lot more than I trust Trump.
We have been lied to for so long by the RINO "establishment", that to see Trump loudly stomping them all and exposing them for what they really are is something we've all wanted to do, and it gives us some satisfaction, thru Trump, to see them squirm....personally, I love seeing them squirm and sweat just trying to find a way to shut Trump up because Trump is about to destroy their little playhouse and all those little power mongers in DC will have to find a new scam to pull off on us....
One thing is for sure, Trump has changed the way politicians think and showed us all that you don't have to play their game...
I do think he's sincere and the admiration of the public is spurring him forward...without all the crowds and the cheering and support, he will go away, but I do believe he might have an ego driven agenda also...to be the person that goes into the history books as being the one person that turned America around at a critical point and "made it great again"....but his agenda is so much better for us than Hillary's, whose elitist agenda shows how she sees us all as pieces of gravel to walk on as she moves into her ultimate power position....God help us if she gets elected....
I would hate to see another "Romney" type Republican candidate (like JEB or Rubio)....but I hate Hillary so much that I'll vote for whoever gets the Republican nomination...I hope it's Ted Cruz. Time will tell...the nomination will go to Rubio, Cruz, or Trump, no telling who will prevail...
P.S.....not to mention Trump can't be bought, which they all really hate more than anything!!
This ^^^ I like Cruz too. But there are some things I don't agree with him on. I'd go for a Trump/Cruz ticket. If that's how it turns out. Either way I'm not voting for ANY Dem. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | OregonBR - 2015-12-10 11:28 AM
So far Trump is saying what I want to hear. I think if he gets into office our weak minded politicians will follow him. If they don't, they get voted out of their cushy jobs. We need to speak in a voice that even the politicians can hear. Going outside the parties is a way to do that. Most people who are speaking out against what Trump says haven't listened to what he said. They are reading the MSM bullsh*t version of it where they twist it to mean something else.
Will I vote for him? It's a LONG year we have ahead. There can be many things happen between now and then.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I think his toupe would do a better job leading this country than he would. It has no fingers to push the **** big red button. People and the media flock to him because he causes uproar. It's sad when we started thinking about politics like it was entertainment. Washington DC is NOT Hollywood. Boring politicians don't generally start wars. He is incredibly inconsistent in his philosophies. He's had his opinions exactly 15 minutes, for anyone who actually reads new articles before the year 2015. If he's a true conservative I'm the bloody queen of England. He has almost NO SPECIFIC PLANS, with the exception perhaps of his business plan. He is outrageous and not someone I can respect, either as a person or a politician. The fact that so many in this country are actually thinking about voting for him just because he has a big mouth disgusts me to no end.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | oija - 2015-12-10 9:51 AM
I think his toupe would do a better job leading this country than he would. It has no fingers to push the **** big red button. People and the media flock to him because he causes uproar. It's sad when we started thinking about politics like it was entertainment. Washington DC is NOT Hollywood. Boring politicians don't generally start wars. He is incredibly inconsistent in his philosophies. He's had his opinions exactly 15 minutes, for anyone who actually reads new articles before the year 2015. If he's a true conservative I'm the bloody queen of England. He has almost NO SPECIFIC PLANS, with the exception perhaps of his business plan. He is outrageous and not someone I can respect, either as a person or a politician. The fact that so many in this country are actually thinking about voting for him just because he has a big mouth disgusts me to no end.
I am a fan of Ben Carson.
I wish he would tone it down. But if you listen and read what he really says, it's true. I think he has really good people and they keep him up on the facts. He may talk like he's flying by the seat of his pants but when you get the research, he's RIGHT!
What annoys me most about him is the way he will start a sentence then stop and switch topics. Like his brain is running faster than his mouth. But I can listen to him a lot easier than I can listen to Ovomit. He makes me want to puke.
Of all the choices we have, I think right now, he's the best option. Most of the others are just more of the same.
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Location: SE Louisiana | luluwhit - 2015-12-10 8:35 AM
The media has tried to crucify him.... I dont think they can get the job done. Hillary is a horrible choice and made a deal with the devil 8 years ago. I hope the democratic party gets fried over it.
I am so sick of politics I am ready to vote for trump today. We need a powerful person to lead this nation and I think he is they guy to get it done.
This!! Trump said what he did about a temp ban on Muslim visas and the media started having a field day that lasted right up until Wed morning,. I hit the internet news site that morning and...... crickets.... I started digging to find out why it had stopped and found out it was being reported the SB shooters had been planning their attack for a year.... and FDR had done the same sort of thing with the people from the axis countries.... and Carter with the students from Iran... even going so far as to round up 15,000 of them and ship them out of the country..
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Location: North Texas | Tis hard to have mud stick to someone when their facts and comments are historically based. And effective historically!
Now those who deem Trump is not fit to lead...............................He is self funded (no political payouts/offs), has sucessfully lead businesses to profit, and neogotiated complicated multi country deals that have been benefical for America.
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river runner - 2015-12-10 7:35 AM
I was shocked to read that banning muslims would actually be legal. I don't remember the exact laws but it is legal for the president to not let aliens in that have made threats or pose dangers to the US. I think it is reasonable to ask our leaders to stop the flow of people from the middle east and try to get a handle on security. Once again our nation is not following laws that are all ready on the books, just like with guns!
Originally posted by Linda Terry, Islam, by law, is prohibited from US immigration The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of Aliens to the US and remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means." This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States, but this law is being ignored by the White House.
Islamic immigration to the US would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the US government, the Constitution, and to the Republic.
All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life's guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the political correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from entering the US because Islam is a religion. Whether it is a religion is immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with any "organization" that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited. Enforce the law!! This 1952 law has been revised, but INA Act 212 is in effect today. Google INA Act 212 and read it. Those advocating the overthrow of our government are still not allowed.
Thank you so much for posting this! To me it seems like such a NO BRAINER! The law is there for a reason, we need to use it! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | foundation horse - 2015-12-10 12:56 PM
Tis hard to have mud stick to someone when their facts and comments are historically based. And effective historically!
Now those who deem Trump is not fit to lead...............................He is self funded (no political payouts/offs), has sucessfully lead businesses to profit, and neogotiated complicated multi country deals that have been benefical for America.
What can be said about the Other Presidential Candidates on EITHER side of the aisle??????
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Location: North Texas | komet. - 2015-12-10 1:08 PM foundation horse - 2015-12-10 12:56 PM Tis hard to have mud stick to someone when their facts and comments are historically based. And effective historically! Now those who deem Trump is not fit to lead...............................He is self funded (no political payouts/offs), has sucessfully lead businesses to profit, and neogotiated complicated multi country deals that have been benefical for America. What can be said about the Other Presidential Candidates on EITHER side of the aisle?????? 1000 words..
Anything as positive as what Trump has accomplished?
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Location: SE Louisiana | foundation horse - 2015-12-10 1:10 PM
komet. - 2015-12-10 1:08 PM foundation horse - 2015-12-10 12:56 PM Tis hard to have mud stick to someone when their facts and comments are historically based. And effective historically! Now those who deem Trump is not fit to lead...............................He is self funded (no political payouts/offs), has sucessfully lead businesses to profit, and neogotiated complicated multi country deals that have been benefical for America. What can be said about the Other Presidential Candidates on EITHER side of the aisle?????? 1000 words..Anything as positive as what Trump has accomplished?
The meaning was "A picture is worth a thousand words" It's not so much what Trump has accomplished, but what everyone else has not.. |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | I find it ironic that Donald is being blasted for his "mouth" is the very SAME THING that got Obama elected. Obama is a SMOOTH talker, and he painted the "pretty picture" that apealed to the bleeding heart liberals and people wanting the goverment to take care of them. Obama is so weaked spine, every word that comes out of his mouth is "careful" not to offend someone. His way...We love everyone... here hand them free phones & healthcare and open our boarders to whoever. Yeah, that has worked so well for this country (pour on the sarcasm). Trump is not the "smooth" talker, he is loud and direct and he certainly don't care who he offends. However, the BIGGEST & most IMPORTANT difference between the men is I am 1000% sure Trump loves this country and 1000% Obama wants to destory it. So I don't care if Trump comes across as rude, at least he is not afraid to fight for this country.
Also, if Trump does get the Republican nod, he will certainly be running against Hilary and she is another smooth talker that will only drive this country further into the ground.
Personally, ! am not 100% on board with Trump yet. I want to hear his plans of action more. I keep an ear open to Carson and Cruz also but Trump certainly has my attention because his "screw political correctness" approach is refreshing.
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RidenFly - 2015-12-10 9:38 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:37 AM I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination. THAT is what I personally think might happen.
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2015-12-10 9:19 PM
luluwhit - 2015-12-10 9:00 AM
RidenFly - 2015-12-10 9:38 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:37 AM I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination. THAT is what I personally think might happen.
And you think he will keep his word? I sure as heck don't think he will.
You are both a little off. He said if he ran as a republican, he would support the person that won the republican nomination. They all agreed to it but I see the entire GOP is distancing itself now that it's beginning to look like he might win, because he will deliberately say things that a normal politician has nightmares about accidentally saying in public.
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Location: I am not FROM California I just live here! | I skimmed over these posts did not read them all but I will vote for trump.....if given the opprotunity...last election my quote best friend who is now my worst enemy tried to get me fired from my job a month ago at that time we were bff rodeo partners drove to every rodeo together she said I am voting for Obama I said I am not she said well I guess neither one of us should vote because we will cancel out each others votes....I still voted Obama won....but that was not my choice I am ready for a real change which obama never accomplished
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| jbhoot - 2015-12-10 9:19 PM
luluwhit - 2015-12-10 9:00 AM
RidenFly - 2015-12-10 9:38 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:37 AM I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination. THAT is what I personally think might happen.
And you think he will keep his word? I sure as heck don't think he will.
Why should he? The gop doesn't keep theirs. They are and have actively worked with the dems to keep conservatives from being elected. There is only one party in this country, and they are ALL complicit in treason. |
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Location: In my own world | I'm voting for him. I'm tired of politicians. I am a call it like you see it get over it if it hurt your feelings person. Trump is a breath of fresh air. Like it or not he is a smart man. He has been dealing with foreign relations for years with his company so don't think he can't do that as a president. But really this sums it up for me:
can an he be any worse than what we have now?
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Location: Mountains of VA | Trump is doing exactly what the Clintons have paid him to do...........think about it. Even some of the talking heads have said all the Trump talk is doing nothing but helping Hilliary. We have thought all along that Trump would stack the deck in Hillary's favor.....someone needs to follow the money and connections! |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Frodo - 2015-12-12 5:24 PM The Clinton's don't have enough money to buy off Trump.
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Trump is an interesting, complex candidate. He believes what he says and says what he believes. In many ways that is comforting, in other ways that is scary as heck. Though I may not agree with everything he says, I do agree with many of his thought processes. How he could effectively implement even 10% of those into action (congressional approval anyone?) I'm not certain, but he would, no doubt, use public pressure to push his agenda through. That may or may not be a bad thing. Time will tell.
His business savy is legendary, so his ability to lead is proven and isn't even a question in my opinion. He's also very capable of using the system to his advantage. Budgets, finances, cutting expenses, etc. is his speciality. Neither party wants all that pork barrel spending to go away, balancing the spending Piggy Bank of the "parties" against balancing the budget, will be an extreme challenge.
What I see as one of his achilles heel is his tendency to speak too frankly, before he's had a chance to think the thought through all the way to the end. He's had to soft pedal on a few of his stances, but I will give him credit, he doesn't back down an inch when he think it's the right thing to do. Compromise is not something he does willingly. Ego is huge here, and when there is too much EGO, you Edge God Out.
The other area that he will have to deal with quickly (and quietly?) is his very public stance on muslims entering the country issue. He has 100's, maybe 1,000's, of muslims working for him throughout the world. Business wise, Trump buildings and business dealings are all over the world, many in muslim countries. His stance will become a huge problem for him professionally, affecting his business empire, if he doesn't soft pedal on this issue. Again, time will tell. My money is on sooner rather than later...
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Location: In my own world | hotpaints - 2015-12-12 5:30 PM Frodo - 2015-12-12 5:24 PM The Clinton's don't have enough money to buy off Trump.
Hope you are right.
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Location: Prosser, WA | river runner - 2015-12-10 7:35 AM
I was shocked to read that banning muslims would actually be legal. I don't remember the exact laws but it is legal for the president to not let aliens in that have made threats or pose dangers to the US. I think it is reasonable to ask our leaders to stop the flow of people from the middle east and try to get a handle on security. Once again our nation is not following laws that are all ready on the books, just like with guns!
I sat by a gal at the NFR who has just recently became a US citizen. She is from Canada and said that all the questions during the process were in relation to outdated issues. She was asked about being a Communist, about any involvement with the Nazi's. One of the questions was along the lines of asking if she had any involvement with the Nazi party before 1946. She's in her 20's. Sounds like our system is really affective like the rest of any process with our government involvement. |
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| I'm not a Trump fan. I don't like the side I see of him the thin skinned I am going to take my toys home behavior. Like Obama he knows just what to say too and it is being bought. Obama was not the answer to what we need Trump is not either. We need unity not more dividing and I dont know who can do that. Its a bad lot to pick from either side. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Dirt Dobber - 2015-12-13 8:25 AM
I'm not a Trump fan. I don't like the side I see of him the thin skinned I am going to take my toys home behavior. Like Obama he knows just what to say too and it is being bought. Obama was not the answer to what we need Trump is not either. We need unity not more dividing and I dont know who can do that. Its a bad lot to pick from either side.
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Location: Mississippi | One minute I really like Trump - the next minute he scares the heck out of me. I like that he is plain spoken & not politically correct. I have had thoughts that he would not be very effective as POTUS though because Congress would never work with him. BUT, I watched one of the Sunday morning news shows today (Meet the Press, I think) & he was on there. He spoke about working with Congress & impressed me. He said he didn't get where he is in the business world without being able to negotiate & that is what he would do with Congress. The rest of his blustering is a show for the media, I think. He is getting tons of free air time & has spent millions less than many of the others running for office. He's smart! As far as offending other countries, who cares. If this country is returned to our status as leader of the world, other countries will work us. |
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| Bigfoot - 2015-12-10 9:08 AM
I'm a died in the wool Republican. Have only, and will only vote republican in a national election. Who ever gets the nomination will get my vote. I hope it's not trump. As outstanding as his ideas are, they won't fly.
Can't keep my mouth shut but this ideal of "I will forever vote one party" is a big reason the government can't work together and will forever keep our country limited and drowing itself. go on keep voting Republican, may be a fly covered pice of dog poo but it wears red right. The right wing and left wing hold up the same bird..... |
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Location: Kansas | Anniemae - 2015-12-12 7:27 PM Voting is months away and that is an eternity in politics.
Trump is an interesting, complex candidate. He believes what he says and says what he believes. In many ways that is comforting, in other ways that is scary as heck. Though I may not agree with everything he says, I do agree with many of his thought processes. How he could effectively implement even 10% of those into action (congressional approval anyone?) I'm not certain, but he would, no doubt, use public pressure to push his agenda through. That may or may not be a bad thing. Time will tell.
His business savy is legendary, so his ability to lead is proven and isn't even a question in my opinion. He's also very capable of using the system to his advantage. Budgets, finances, cutting expenses, etc. is his speciality. Neither party wants all that pork barrel spending to go away, balancing the spending Piggy Bank of the "parties" against balancing the budget, will be an extreme challenge.
What I see as one of his achilles heel is his tendency to speak too frankly, before he's had a chance to think the thought through all the way to the end. He's had to soft pedal on a few of his stances, but I will give him credit, he doesn't back down an inch when he think it's the right thing to do. Compromise is not something he does willingly. Ego is huge here, and when there is too much EGO, you Edge God Out.
The other area that he will have to deal with quickly (and quietly?) is his very public stance on muslims entering the country issue. He has 100's, maybe 1,000's, of muslims working for him throughout the world. Business wise, Trump buildings and business dealings are all over the world, many in muslim countries. His stance will become a huge problem for him professionally, affecting his business empire, if he doesn't soft pedal on this issue. Again, time will tell. My money is on sooner rather than later...
I still like Rubio as I think he is the better electable candidate.
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| SillyFilly55 - 2015-12-13 3:38 PM
One minute I really like Trump - the next minute he scares the heck out of me. I like that he is plain spoken & not politically correct. I have had thoughts that he would not be very effective as POTUS though because Congress would never work with him. BUT, I watched one of the Sunday morning news shows today (Meet the Press, I think) & he was on there. He spoke about working with Congress & impressed me. He said he didn't get where he is in the business world without being able to negotiate & that is what he would do with Congress. The rest of his blustering is a show for the media, I think. He is getting tons of free air time & has spent millions less than many of the others running for office. He's smart! As far as offending other countries, who cares. If this country is returned to our status as leader of the world, other countries will work us.
Wasn't Meet The Press the show that had another Repub candidate come on after Trump that we have hardly even heard of? Basically said that Trump would never get the nomination no matter what people wanted, I thought he made an ass of himself telling the American people that nope, your vote doesn't matter! Also watched an interview of Trump lastnight, he was very thoughtful, he was to the point. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Anniemae - 2015-12-12 7:27 PM Voting is months away and that is an eternity in politics.
Trump is an interesting, complex candidate. He believes what he says and says what he believes. In many ways that is comforting, in other ways that is scary as heck. Though I may not agree with everything he says, I do agree with many of his thought processes. How he could effectively implement even 10% of those into action (congressional approval anyone?) I'm not certain, but he would, no doubt, use public pressure to push his agenda through. That may or may not be a bad thing. Time will tell.
His business savy is legendary, so his ability to lead is proven and isn't even a question in my opinion. He's also very capable of using the system to his advantage. Budgets, finances, cutting expenses, etc. is his speciality. Neither party wants all that pork barrel spending to go away, balancing the spending Piggy Bank of the "parties" against balancing the budget, will be an extreme challenge.
What I see as one of his achilles heel is his tendency to speak too frankly, before he's had a chance to think the thought through all the way to the end. He's had to soft pedal on a few of his stances, but I will give him credit, he doesn't back down an inch when he think it's the right thing to do. Compromise is not something he does willingly. Ego is huge here, and when there is too much EGO, you Edge God Out.
The other area that he will have to deal with quickly (and quietly?) is his very public stance on muslims entering the country issue. He has 100's, maybe 1,000's, of muslims working for him throughout the world. Business wise, Trump buildings and business dealings are all over the world, many in muslim countries. His stance will become a huge problem for him professionally, affecting his business empire, if he doesn't soft pedal on this issue. Again, time will tell. My money is on sooner rather than later...
I still like Rubio as I think he is the better electable candidate.
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Bigfoot - 2015-12-10 9:08 AM
I'm a died in the wool Republican. Have only, and will only vote republican in a national election. Who ever gets the nomination will get my vote. I hope it's not trump. As outstanding as his ideas are, they won't fly.
Can't keep my mouth shut but this ideal of "I will forever vote one party" is a big reason the government can't work together and will forever keep our country limited and drowing itself. go on keep voting Republican, may be a fly covered pice of dog poo but it wears red right. The right wing and left wing hold up the same bird.....
We have been forced to vote "against" not for , for a couple of decades now. The Dem side has been completely untenable, the Republican side has just put up their "whoever's turn it is to run" candidate...and Bob's your Uncle. When Perot ran, he scared the crap out of the political establishment by garnering as much support as he did, but all his supporters accomplished was to get Clinton elected. Lesson learned.
Let me tell you, when I first heard of Obama, I thought....maybe here is a Dem I could actually support. That was WAY before he became a candidate. By the time he really surfaced on to the National scene, I had realizes his true ilk. Still, I had hoped that he would be better in office than Hillary.....I hope we don't actually find out. I have basically been depressed since he was elected, even more when he was re-elected. Any hopes for a free and prosperous future recedes farther and farther away. Unfortunately "his" game plan is not just his. It is all part of the "One World Government" agenda supporters, and those are to be found on BOTH sides of the aisle. The Dems are just on a faster track than the GOP. If I could I would fully support a third party capable of winning if their agenda focused on LESS government, not more.
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| rodeoveteran - 2015-12-14 10:13 AM
Thistle2011 - 2015-12-14 6:21 AM
Bigfoot - 2015-12-10 9:08 AM
I'm a died in the wool Republican. Have only, and will only vote republican in a national election. Who ever gets the nomination will get my vote. I hope it's not trump. As outstanding as his ideas are, they won't fly.
Can't keep my mouth shut but this ideal of "I will forever vote one party" is a big reason the government can't work together and will forever keep our country limited and drowing itself. go on keep voting Republican, may be a fly covered pice of dog poo but it wears red right. The right wing and left wing hold up the same bird.....
We have been forced to vote "against" not for , for a couple of decades now. The Dem side has been completely untenable, the Republican side has just put up their "whoever's turn it is to run" candidate...and Bob's your Uncle. When Perot ran, he scared the crap out of the political establishment by garnering as much support as he did, but all his supporters accomplished was to get Clinton elected. Lesson learned.
Let me tell you, when I first heard of Obama, I thought....maybe here is a Dem I could actually support. That was WAY before he became a candidate. By the time he really surfaced on to the National scene, I had realizes his true ilk. Still, I had hoped that he would be better in office than Hillary.....I hope we don't actually find out. I have basically been depressed since he was elected, even more when he was re-elected. Any hopes for a free and prosperous future recedes farther and farther away. Unfortunately "his" game plan is not just his. It is all part of the "One World Government" agenda supporters, and those are to be found on BOTH sides of the aisle. The Dems are just on a faster track than the GOP. If I could I would fully support a third party capable of winning if their agenda focused on LESS government, not more.
Until then, I am forced to vote for the slower track party.
I could care less what title party I vote for ..I guess I'm an independent. ..I had someone yell at me (won't say what party die hard they were) informed me the independent party has problems to......last time I checked independent wasn't a party LOL. I'll vote for who has the best policy's who is more likely to follow through and who can be blunt but not a megalomaniac. |
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Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Thistle2011 - 2015-12-14 11:24 AM
rodeoveteran - 2015-12-14 10:13 AM
Thistle2011 - 2015-12-14 6:21 AM
Bigfoot - 2015-12-10 9:08 AM
I'm a died in the wool Republican. Have only, and will only vote republican in a national election. Who ever gets the nomination will get my vote. I hope it's not trump. As outstanding as his ideas are, they won't fly.
Can't keep my mouth shut but this ideal of "I will forever vote one party" is a big reason the government can't work together and will forever keep our country limited and drowing itself. go on keep voting Republican, may be a fly covered pice of dog poo but it wears red right. The right wing and left wing hold up the same bird.....
We have been forced to vote "against" not for , for a couple of decades now. The Dem side has been completely untenable, the Republican side has just put up their "whoever's turn it is to run" candidate...and Bob's your Uncle. When Perot ran, he scared the crap out of the political establishment by garnering as much support as he did, but all his supporters accomplished was to get Clinton elected. Lesson learned.
Let me tell you, when I first heard of Obama, I thought....maybe here is a Dem I could actually support. That was WAY before he became a candidate. By the time he really surfaced on to the National scene, I had realizes his true ilk. Still, I had hoped that he would be better in office than Hillary.....I hope we don't actually find out. I have basically been depressed since he was elected, even more when he was re-elected. Any hopes for a free and prosperous future recedes farther and farther away. Unfortunately "his" game plan is not just his. It is all part of the "One World Government" agenda supporters, and those are to be found on BOTH sides of the aisle. The Dems are just on a faster track than the GOP. If I could I would fully support a third party capable of winning if their agenda focused on LESS government, not more.
Until then, I am forced to vote for the slower track party.
I could care less what title party I vote for ..I guess I'm an independent. ..I had someone yell at me (won't say what party die hard they were ) informed me the independent party has problems to......last time I checked independent wasn't a party LOL. I'll vote for who has the best policy's who is more likely to follow through and who can be blunt but not a megalomaniac.
Good luck with that effort. Because for the last several (extending back to the late 60s) neither Party has delivered on promises................................... |
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