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| I have been working with my QHx for the last two years. She gets over whelmed easily and she is very sensitive. She likes barrels, she like to go out and do them. I have tried hauling all I can this summer and last and we are only exhibitioning at the moment. She has started to pop up.... Its not bad and its not even big. I'm not handsy with her at all and she has never until a few weeks ago gotten light in the front end. She's getting light because I won't allow her to just go forward and do what she wants and blow past me and ignore what I am asking. She is also one of those horses *figuratively* that you can beat all day. She locks up and will just stand there. So to even try punishing her on the ground working her around etc. She locks up. In the saddle she can do the same thing but its a lot less. I have tried making her work when she rears, small circles or getting off and lunging. But when she knows I'm frustrated/angry and its for punishment she will literally lock up after a couple circles.
I had her on a calming supplement a while while back. It seemed to help. I was just wondering if there was any good cheap calming supplement I could try? The one I was using is 60 dollars....... Or any advice?? In 2013 I broke my leg to a rearing horse, broke my femur in two and now I have a rod. So it worries me and makes me a little angry at the same time. I never thought I would have this problem with her. I don't know what more I need to do or less I need to do.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 4:00 PM I have been working with my QHx for the last two years. She gets over whelmed easily and she is very sensitive. She likes barrels, she like to go out and do them. I have tried hauling all I can this summer and last and we are only exhibitioning at the moment. She has started to pop up.... Its not bad and its not even big. I'm not handsy with her at all and she has never until a few weeks ago gotten light in the front end. She's getting light because I won't allow her to just go forward and do what she wants and blow past me and ignore what I am asking. She is also one of those horses *figuratively* that you can beat all day. She locks up and will just stand there. So to even try punishing her on the ground working her around etc. She locks up. In the saddle she can do the same thing but its a lot less. I have tried making her work when she rears, small circles or getting off and lunging. But when she knows I'm frustrated/angry and its for punishment she will literally lock up after a couple circles. I had her on a calming supplement a while while back. It seemed to help. I was just wondering if there was any good cheap calming supplement I could try? The one I was using is 60 dollars....... Or any advice?? In 2013 I broke my leg to a rearing horse, broke my femur in two and now I have a rod. So it worries me and makes me a little angry at the same time. I never thought I would have this problem with her. I don't know what more I need to do or less I need to do.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-13 4:53 PM
RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 4:00 PM I have been working with my QHx for the last two years. She gets over whelmed easily and she is very sensitive. She likes barrels, she like to go out and do them. I have tried hauling all I can this summer and last and we are only exhibitioning at the moment. She has started to pop up.... Its not bad and its not even big. I'm not handsy with her at all and she has never until a few weeks ago gotten light in the front end. She's getting light because I won't allow her to just go forward and do what she wants and blow past me and ignore what I am asking. She is also one of those horses *figuratively* that you can beat all day. She locks up and will just stand there. So to even try punishing her on the ground working her around etc. She locks up. In the saddle she can do the same thing but its a lot less. I have tried making her work when she rears, small circles or getting off and lunging. But when she knows I'm frustrated/angry and its for punishment she will literally lock up after a couple circles. I had her on a calming supplement a while while back. It seemed to help. I was just wondering if there was any good cheap calming supplement I could try? The one I was using is 60 dollars....... Or any advice?? In 2013 I broke my leg to a rearing horse, broke my femur in two and now I have a rod. So it worries me and makes me a little angry at the same time. I never thought I would have this problem with her. I don't know what more I need to do or less I need to do.
What type of bit are you using on her? And when was the last time her teeth were done?
Her teeth were done this year, probably not even 6 months ago. I use a short shank showman dogbone bit. She's to sensitive for to much shank. I have never had her rear before until a few weeks ago. I have had this bit on her pretty much all year. She doesn't rear warming up, I can trot and lope her on a lose rein etc. Its only when we are either waiting to go in, or standing in the arena and the barrels are present. I can go in there and trot her through them etc no problems. She just before we go in gets super anxious and even will shake sometimes..... There isn't any hesitation to get her in the arena either, she goes right in.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would go heve her teeth checked out just to make sure that theres not a problem starting up in her mouth. And make sure her feet are balance. And I would also have a lameness vet go over her to make sure her stifles and hocks are ok. This is where I would start out to rule out any problems with her..Sometimes where there is pain they will lock up and not want to do anything for you. |
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Location: oklahoma | Take her away from barrels, ride the roads, pasture, track cattle. Maybe she's tired of training? There was a good thread awhile back by one of the founding member on here that gave great advice at keeping their feet moving, not necessarily forward if all she'll do is turn to get unlocked. Can't win a battle of wills. It gets dangerous when they can set up and then go up. |
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| CurlyQ - 2015-12-13 5:12 PM
Take her away from barrels, ride the roads, pasture, track cattle. Maybe she's tired of training? There was a good thread awhile back by one of the founding member on here that gave great advice at keeping their feet moving, not necessarily forward if all she'll do is turn to get unlocked. Can't win a battle of wills. It gets dangerous when they can set up and then go up.
Thats the thing though. I do not do barrels at home, the only time I get anywhere to do them is when I haul. We either trail ride or do exercise work. She's got no problem going in and out of the arena, she just gets so anxious and nervous that I don't know if she knows what to do with it so up is the only way when I wont let her go forward. We haven't even begun to add a bunch of speed yet, we are only loping a low 19. |
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| Ulcers or hocks are the first two things that come to mind. Maybe ulcers a little more since she doesn't seem to have issues except when in high stress situations (although if you aren't working hard and asking her to turn at home, hocks/stifles would still be on the table for me).
Teeth would be worth looking at but if it's been 6 months or less and they were done and balanced by a certified equine dentist, I'd have to lean a little more to the other two. If they were just hand floated by a vet, I would find a dentist to take a look. |
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| Anniemae - 2015-12-13 5:28 PM
Have you tested her for PSSM1? The "locking up" would concern me...
She only locks up when she's being reprimanded. She will literally stand there all day. That's the only time she locks up. When she knows your angry she wont respond anymore. When I first got her she wouldn't move out at all, I go her at 6 and barely green broke. She would lock up on trails and wouldn't move. I had to carry a crop with me for the first year of me riding her. Barrels and trails she now moves out super well. The only time she locks up is when you're frustrated with her, or she herself is frustrated and doesn't know what to do. |
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| First of all, not all horses make barrel horses. They either have the desire or they don't The second thing is that the horse sounds like it is spoiled. I think the horse is coming off the ground to scare you. I would suggest you get some one to evaluate the horse and give their opinion on what is going on. (As in trainer or someone who rides well) |
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| streakysox - 2015-12-13 6:07 PM
First of all, not all horses make barrel horses. They either have the desire or they don't The second thing is that the horse sounds like it is spoiled. I think the horse is coming off the ground to scare you. I would suggest you get some one to evaluate the horse and give their opinion on what is going on. (As in trainer or someone who rides well)
She has only just started. I haven't had her become light in the front end in the 5 years I have owned her. I have been doing tons of slow work etc to keep her mind. She does enjoy barrels, she just hasn't gotten it all figured out I don't think. |
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Location: Texas | RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 5:16 PM CurlyQ - 2015-12-13 5:12 PM Take her away from barrels, ride the roads, pasture, track cattle. Maybe she's tired of training? There was a good thread awhile back by one of the founding member on here that gave great advice at keeping their feet moving, not necessarily forward if all she'll do is turn to get unlocked. Can't win a battle of wills. It gets dangerous when they can set up and then go up. Thats the thing though. I do not do barrels at home, the only time I get anywhere to do them is when I haul. We either trail ride or do exercise work. She's got no problem going in and out of the arena, she just gets so anxious and nervous that I don't know if she knows what to do with it so up is the only way when I wont let her go forward. We haven't even begun to add a bunch of speed yet, we are only loping a low 19.
Maybe let her go forward then. Sometimes we can do slow work too long, and the horse gets frustrated. Make sure you are not nit picking at her. |
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| streakysox - 2015-12-13 6:48 PM
My trainer has ridden all of my horses for the pest 6 or 7 years. All of them have ended up being 1D horses except one. My trainer called and said pick her up and get rid of her. She was certainly bred to be a barrel horse, just didn't have the desire. She never got far enough to get stressed she just didn't want to even try to run barrels. If the horse is coming off the ground before you go in, then I really don't think the horse seems to like it.
It hasn't been before.... She does it after we slow down and come back to come out of the arena or waiting for our next exhibition in the arena. I have never had her go up before we ran, just after. She's only done about four times now. But I believe it's becoming a problem. She would rather keep going when I ask for her to stand. |
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| Fun2Run - 2015-12-13 7:07 PM
RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 5:16 PM CurlyQ - 2015-12-13 5:12 PM Take her away from barrels, ride the roads, pasture, track cattle. Maybe she's tired of training? There was a good thread awhile back by one of the founding member on here that gave great advice at keeping their feet moving, not necessarily forward if all she'll do is turn to get unlocked. Can't win a battle of wills. It gets dangerous when they can set up and then go up. Thats the thing though. I do not do barrels at home, the only time I get anywhere to do them is when I haul. We either trail ride or do exercise work. She's got no problem going in and out of the arena, she just gets so anxious and nervous that I don't know if she knows what to do with it so up is the only way when I wont let her go forward. We haven't even begun to add a bunch of speed yet, we are only loping a low 19.
This actually makes a bit of sense. You're possibly right. I've been doing slow work for so long she's probably peeved I won't let her do what she knows how to.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 7:18 PM Fun2Run - 2015-12-13 7:07 PM RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 5:16 PM CurlyQ - 2015-12-13 5:12 PM Take her away from barrels, ride the roads, pasture, track cattle. Maybe she's tired of training? There was a good thread awhile back by one of the founding member on here that gave great advice at keeping their feet moving, not necessarily forward if all she'll do is turn to get unlocked. Can't win a battle of wills. It gets dangerous when they can set up and then go up. Thats the thing though. I do not do barrels at home, the only time I get anywhere to do them is when I haul. We either trail ride or do exercise work. She's got no problem going in and out of the arena, she just gets so anxious and nervous that I don't know if she knows what to do with it so up is the only way when I wont let her go forward. We haven't even begun to add a bunch of speed yet, we are only loping a low 19. This actually makes a bit of sense. You're possibly right. I've been doing slow work for so long she's probably peeved I won't let her do what she knows how to. But I will get the rest of this checked out. Hocks, teeth and ulcers.
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Location: MD | In your original post you said that when she knows that you are frustrated, or angry and when what you are doing is as punishment, she locks up. There is a very good reason for this. A very wise horseman once told me something that had the largest impact on not only my life with horses, but life in general of anything that I have ever heard. Patience and knowledge run out at the same time. When working at anything, we must put our unproductive emotions aside. More often than not, when we become angry, frustrated, or impatient, it is because we do not know what to do in order to resolve a situation. All the while, those emotions are blocking us from being able to pick up on the subtle answers which we are being given.
I am sure that some will disagree with this statement, but it is okay for one not to want to stand still. If she doesn't stand still, rather than argue about it, allow her to move, but only in ways that you ask her to. That may mean walking a circle. It could be sidepassing, leg yielding, whatever you choose. They come to realize that they just might want to stand still and take that breath for a minute. It sounds to me like through the best of your knowledge, you have tried to make this horse do the things that you have learned to be correct. That is both a good and bad thing. When we learn things in theory, such as "a horse should be kept slow and correct until they perform the pattern perfectly before adding speed", we so often lack the knowledge of how to put that theory into execution. We end up picking and picking at an animal who is doing things right in an effort to achieve perfection, but we don't know how to acknowledge, or reward the steps toward it.
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| streakysox - 2015-12-13 10:21 PM
How many times a month do you take her to exhibition?
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| WrapSnap - 2015-12-13 10:28 PM
In your original post you said that when she knows that you are frustrated, or angry and when what you are doing is as punishment, she locks up. There is a very good reason for this. A very wise horseman once told me something that had the largest impact on not only my life with horses, but life in general of anything that I have ever heard. Patience and knowledge run out at the same time. When working at anything, we must put our unproductive emotions aside. More often than not, when we become angry, frustrated, or impatient, it is because we do not know what to do in order to resolve a situation. All the while, those emotions are blocking us from being able to pick up on the subtle answers which we are being given.
I am sure that some will disagree with this statement, but it is okay for one not to want to stand still. If she doesn't stand still, rather than argue about it, allow her to move, but only in ways that you ask her to. That may mean walking a circle. It could be sidepassing, leg yielding, whatever you choose. They come to realize that they just might want to stand still and take that breath for a minute. It sounds to me like through the best of your knowledge, you have tried to make this horse do the things that you have learned to be correct. That is both a good and bad thing. When we learn things in theory, such as "a horse should be kept slow and correct until they perform the pattern perfectly before adding speed", we so often lack the knowledge of how to put that theory into execution. We end up picking and picking at an animal who is doing things right in an effort to achieve perfection, but we don't know how to acknowledge, or reward the steps toward it.
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Location: Florida.. | WrapSnap - 2015-12-13 11:28 PM In your original post you said that when she knows that you are frustrated, or angry and when what you are doing is as punishment, she locks up. There is a very good reason for this. A very wise horseman once told me something that had the largest impact on not only my life with horses, but life in general of anything that I have ever heard. Patience and knowledge run out at the same time. When working at anything, we must put our unproductive emotions aside. More often than not, when we become angry, frustrated, or impatient, it is because we do not know what to do in order to resolve a situation. All the while, those emotions are blocking us from being able to pick up on the subtle answers which we are being given. I am sure that some will disagree with this statement, but it is okay for one not to want to stand still. If she doesn't stand still, rather than argue about it, allow her to move, but only in ways that you ask her to. That may mean walking a circle. It could be sidepassing, leg yielding, whatever you choose. They come to realize that they just might want to stand still and take that breath for a minute. It sounds to me like through the best of your knowledge, you have tried to make this horse do the things that you have learned to be correct. That is both a good and bad thing. When we learn things in theory, such as "a horse should be kept slow and correct until they perform the pattern perfectly before adding speed", we so often lack the knowledge of how to put that theory into execution. We end up picking and picking at an animal who is doing things right in an effort to achieve perfection, but we don't know how to acknowledge, or reward the steps toward it.
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How many times a month do you take her to exhibition?
Twice maybe three times if I am lucky. We exhibition only twice and I try to have them space me out in order for me to camp out and let her relax after the first one.
OK, so you have no where to work this horse at home and are able to haul a couple of times a month. By my calculations this horse has been practiced on about twelve times maybe sixteen at the most. A couple of exhibitions each time would be no more than 30 or so trips around the barrels. I think you are expecting too much of this poor horse and the horse is reacting. You need to slow WAY down. Let the horse learn the pattern at a trot and build confidence at that speed. I don't care how great you are doing right now running 19's. Your horse obviously cannot stand the pressure at this speed. |
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| streakysox - 2015-12-13 11:04 PM
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How many times a month do you take her to exhibition?
Twice maybe three times if I am lucky. We exhibition only twice and I try to have them space me out in order for me to camp out and let her relax after the first one.
OK, so you have no where to work this horse at home and are able to haul a couple of times a month. By my calculations this horse has been practiced on about twelve times maybe sixteen at the most. A couple of exhibitions each time would be no more than 30 or so trips around the barrels. I think you are expecting too much of this poor horse and the horse is reacting. You need to slow WAY down. Let the horse learn the pattern at a trot and build confidence at that speed. I don't care how great you are doing right now running 19's. Your horse obviously cannot stand the pressure at this speed.
I do have a "Place" to work at, at home but its not an area or even a dirt patch, its grass. So all I can do is trot and walk and do slow work. She's been on the pattern for two years, we've been doing nothing but slow work for two years. I've sent her to a trainer(last year early last year) and even attended a Tana Poppino clinic back in October(this year). I can haul up to my trainer/friends place any time I want and work her there. I only get her OUT to do barrels mainly twice a month. I do not do the pattern even trotting a lot at my place because I don't want to burn her out do we either trail ride or do exercise work. Both Tana and my trainer said she knows what she's doing, catty and hunting the barrels and seems to like it. I want to keep her liking the job, I don't want her to hate it. Because this is the only thing that I have found where she really wants to move out and do. |
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| Would using an indoor have anything to possibly do with the anxiety? I've never had this problem in an out door. Only time I have had problems has been a the indoor. Should have included this earlier but fell asleep xD. I'm not trying to argue with anyone.... I am taking everyone's advice. Just trying to give as much information as possible.
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Location: So. California | RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 3:36 PM Anniemae - 2015-12-13 5:28 PM Have you tested her for PSSM1? The "locking up" would concern me...
She only locks up when she's being reprimanded. She will literally stand there all day. That's the only time she locks up. When she knows your angry she wont respond anymore. When I first got her she wouldn't move out at all, I go her at 6 and barely green broke. She would lock up on trails and wouldn't move. I had to carry a crop with me for the first year of me riding her. Barrels and trails she now moves out super well. The only time she locks up is when you're frustrated with her, or she herself is frustrated and doesn't know what to do.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | WrapSnap has some good points.
It's always a good idea to check for soreness too as this can cause resistance.
That being said, Ed Wright was talking about alley issues at the clinic I attended a couple weekends ago. He said something to the effect that you should go to many different arenas, not just at the barrel race, and work them back and forth slow through the alley. Get them used to sitting in the gate and being quiet. Show them that only in about 1/10 or 1/15 cases are you going to ask for any speed. Do lots of walking and trotting of the pattern. If they get even the littlest bit ancy then break them back down. Lots of walk, trot, lope transitions, maybe circles. They need to see that the alley is not a place where they are going to hurt and that you are not going to ask it all of them frequently. And, well, it has to be done away from home for it to stick. |
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| Anniemae - 2015-12-14 11:23 AM
RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 3:36 PM Anniemae - 2015-12-13 5:28 PM Have you tested her for PSSM1? The "locking up" would concern me...
She only locks up when she's being reprimanded. She will literally stand there all day. That's the only time she locks up. When she knows your angry she wont respond anymore. When I first got her she wouldn't move out at all, I go her at 6 and barely green broke. She would lock up on trails and wouldn't move. I had to carry a crop with me for the first year of me riding her. Barrels and trails she now moves out super well. The only time she locks up is when you're frustrated with her, or she herself is frustrated and doesn't know what to do.
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She's 11, been on the pattern 2 years and you've owned her for 5.
Do you have any videos of her exhibitioning?
Does she 'pop up' when you ask her to stand near the alley after breezing her thru? Where are you asking her to wait? Are you requiring that she stand still, or direct her feet and allow her to move?
Is she quiet going into the pen?
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| MS2011 - 2015-12-14 12:30 PM
Just trying to decipher a few things -
She's 11, been on the pattern 2 years and you've owned her for 5.
Do you have any videos of her exhibitioning?
Does she 'pop up' when you ask her to stand near the alley after breezing her thru? Where are you asking her to wait? Are you requiring that she stand still, or direct her feet and allow her to move?
Is she quiet going into the pen?
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | It sounds to me like the horses behavior is directly related to your emotions. I would bet that if you can find a way to delete your stress and frustration from the situation the issues will resolve.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SC Wrangler - 2015-12-14 1:26 PM It sounds to me like the horses behavior is directly related to your emotions. I would bet that if you can find a way to delete your stress and frustration from the situation the issues will resolve.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-14 1:32 PM
SC Wrangler - 2015-12-14 1:26 PM It sounds to me like the horses behavior is directly related to your emotions. I would bet that if you can find a way to delete your stress and frustration from the situation the issues will resolve.
Horses are extremely perceptive. Releasing them from mental pressure starts with calming your own mind and allowing that to tranfer thru your body and actions.
I bet going to a good barrel racing clinic would help lots.
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| RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-14 12:54 PM
MS2011 - 2015-12-14 12:30 PM
Just trying to decipher a few things -
She's 11, been on the pattern 2 years and you've owned her for 5.
Do you have any videos of her exhibitioning?
Does she 'pop up' when you ask her to stand near the alley after breezing her thru? Where are you asking her to wait? Are you requiring that she stand still, or direct her feet and allow her to move?
Is she quiet going into the pen?
I will get back to you on this and post some videos I have. Heading into town so won't be able to reply.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1050695774951002 << That was from a few weeks ago. I didn't happen to get a good exhibition video saturday.
https://www.facebook.com/geni.jamison/videos/vb.100000317696689/1020...
^^ That was her at the clinic her first lope through.
Yes, its normally after we breezed through our first exhibition.
Its either asking her to wait a minute before our next exhibition it has even been once when I was ask for her to stop after I had just gotten back on from fixing my twisted rein, she wanted to walk right off as soon as I got back on. That is a big no for me.
Maybe I'm not exactly handling the situation right? I should let her walk around for a minute then do whatever I was going to do? At home I don't have this problem, even at my friends arena I don't have this problem. Its literally just been recently.
I also know I lean to much going into second. I am working on that with my trainer.
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MY Arab I did alot of suppling and relaxing and you should keep your hands Low.. dont pull up ... low will work better so her head doesnt shoot up..
that would take time for her to learn to relax but you need to keep quiet hands and low hands when asking to whoa or walk or whatever..
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-12-14 6:45 PM
Arabs a bit high headed unless you supple her alot and work her low and over her back.. is she arab?
MY Arab I did alot of suppling and relaxing and you should keep your hands Low.. dont pull up ... low will work better so her head doesnt shoot up..
that would take time for her to learn to relax but you need to keep quiet hands and low hands when asking to whoa or walk or whatever..
Its hard to say from those 2 videos but thats what seems to help the high headed ones..work them deep and low and if she walks off.. dont pull back high..
No, she's 3/4ths Quarter 1/16th Arab 1/16th fox trotter. We have done a lot of long and low since February. When I get her really really warmed up and relaxed I can get a good floating collected trot. But it takes me a while to get her there. |
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| You say this horse has been to a trainer? Personally, I don't think the horse is is broke well enough to be doing what you are asking. I think some basics would be extremely beneficial. The few dealings with MO fox trotters that I have had is that they prefer to be noncompliant.
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| streakysox - 2015-12-14 9:04 PM
You say this horse has been to a trainer? Personally, I don't think the horse is is broke well enough to be doing what you are asking. I think some basics would be extremely beneficial. The few dealings with MO fox trotters that I have had is that they prefer to be noncompliant.
Why? Tell me in detail what I need to fix. She's not even gaited, doesn't have enough in her to even act like a fox trotter.
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Location: Florida.. | after watching video Id also have a lameness exam done . her hind is a bit offish..and since its just recently rearing it can be a pain issue.. also them yelling kick kick kick and stuff might frazzle her.. try to relax , she seems like she is trying but confused a lil.. |
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| Being noncompliant has very little to do with being gaited. The horse leaves the first barrel on the wrong lead. Horse is pretty strung out in the turns--butt is not under the horse. The horse's conformation may hinder getting the butt up under. These are basics the horse needs to know before they can progress. I think you are getting frustrated trying to train this horse. You even said that. Establish your priorities. Do you just want to ride this horse? Switch go something that you and the horse both enjoy doing. Do you want to run barrels? I think you would be much happier with a horse that is already trained. A lot less frustration there and you will be ready to compete. I have trained my own horses for many many years and have been very successful. Years ago when Diesel fuel was $4.50 a gal. I decided to let someone else train and haul. Best money I ever spent. It is wonderful to just be able to get on and go. I have a lot of patience and love to train but a finished horse is hard to beat. |
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| This is no way a slam but have you considered maybe this horse is not meant to be a barrel horse? You might be throwing good money after bad on a horse that just is not for barrels. And may be happier and less frustrated with a different horse. |
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| Not really.... I think she has the want to and she's got the speed to. I've just got to get her figured out and jockey up. |
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| heidiinaz - 2015-12-15 6:51 AM
This is no way a slam but have you considered maybe this horse is not meant to be a barrel horse? You might be throwing good money after bad on a horse that just is not for barrels. And may be happier and less frustrated with a different horse.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | After reading all the replies and watching the video all I could keep asking myself was why you were still taking up for her. She is a nice moving horse, I'll give her that. But after two year, I'd say it's time to get another one. I also noticed you didn't finish your second or third barrel. The second her shoulder came around the front of the barrel you sat up and asked her to run. I would suggest you find a trainer who would let you ride a trained horse so you know where the horse should be and where your body would be. Best thing I ever did was get on my trainers horse. Funny how He could make that horse fly around the barrels and I would make him run up the fence and run past barrels. I didn't know enough about riding to get my horse finished by myself. After 30 days of consecutive training on his horse, and exhib. on his horse with his input on MY riding, I went home and knew exactly what to ask from my boy. My boy was so relieved and quiet under saddle after my super expensive stay at my trainers that summer. Also wanted to ad: Find a trainer who has a record. There are lots of "trainers" out there that make you think they know what they're talking about. Find someone who is the style of rider like you, and who has the same mind set as you under saddle.
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I just re read my post. I promise I wasn't trying to be snarky!!!! I'm just at wwork. The less fill words I use the quicker I can get back to my work screen. Please know that I wasn't trying to be mean!!
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| RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 3:00 PM I have been working with my QHx for the last two years. She gets over whelmed easily and she is very sensitive. She likes barrels, she like to go out and do them. I have tried hauling all I can this summer and last and we are only exhibitioning at the moment. She has started to pop up.... Its not bad and its not even big. I'm not handsy with her at all and she has never until a few weeks ago gotten light in the front end. She's getting light because I won't allow her to just go forward and do what she wants and blow past me and ignore what I am asking. She is also one of those horses *figuratively* that you can beat all day. She locks up and will just stand there. So to even try punishing her on the ground working her around etc. She locks up. In the saddle she can do the same thing but its a lot less. I have tried making her work when she rears, small circles or getting off and lunging. But when she knows I'm frustrated/angry and its for punishment she will literally lock up after a couple circles. I had her on a calming supplement a while while back. It seemed to help. I was just wondering if there was any good cheap calming supplement I could try? The one I was using is 60 dollars....... Or any advice?? In 2013 I broke my leg to a rearing horse, broke my femur in two and now I have a rod. So it worries me and makes me a little angry at the same time. I never thought I would have this problem with her. I don't know what more I need to do or less I need to do.
Haven't had time to read all the responses so I'm sure others have mentioned
- lameness exam - specifically hocks, stifles
- have u treated for ulcers?
My take on it is due to the highlighted part - if she wants to go forward and you are making her stand - are you pulling back on her, backing her up at all? Or how do you make her stand? With an antsy horse that wants to dance around or go forward pulling back on them to make them still will eventually make them go up, because you are pulling them back over their hocks and their energy has only one place to go and that is up. I know you are trying to get her to be still because she wants to go forward but you can prevent her from going forward and doing what SHE wants, let her go forward but make her do what YOU want. Try letting her go forward purposefully into small circles, 2 track, move her shoulders around, etc - anything to keep her from backing up and getting over her hocks which makes it easy for her to go up. If she has forward motion she cannot go up. |
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| 2H~QH - 2015-12-15 12:38 PM
RacingTheArabian - 2015-12-13 3:00 PM I have been working with my QHx for the last two years. She gets over whelmed easily and she is very sensitive. She likes barrels, she like to go out and do them. I have tried hauling all I can this summer and last and we are only exhibitioning at the moment. She has started to pop up.... Its not bad and its not even big. I'm not handsy with her at all and she has never until a few weeks ago gotten light in the front end. She's getting light because I won't allow her to just go forward and do what she wants and blow past me and ignore what I am asking. She is also one of those horses *figuratively* that you can beat all day. She locks up and will just stand there. So to even try punishing her on the ground working her around etc. She locks up. In the saddle she can do the same thing but its a lot less. I have tried making her work when she rears, small circles or getting off and lunging. But when she knows I'm frustrated/angry and its for punishment she will literally lock up after a couple circles. I had her on a calming supplement a while while back. It seemed to help. I was just wondering if there was any good cheap calming supplement I could try? The one I was using is 60 dollars....... Or any advice?? In 2013 I broke my leg to a rearing horse, broke my femur in two and now I have a rod. So it worries me and makes me a little angry at the same time. I never thought I would have this problem with her. I don't know what more I need to do or less I need to do.
Haven't had time to read all the responses so I'm sure others have mentioned
- lameness exam - specifically hocks, stifles
- have u treated for ulcers?
My take on it is due to the highlighted part - if she wants to go forward and you are making her stand - are you pulling back on her, backing her up at all? Or how do you make her stand? With an antsy horse that wants to dance around or go forward pulling back on them to make them still will eventually make them go up, because you are pulling them back over their hocks and their energy has only one place to go and that is up. I know you are trying to get her to be still because she wants to go forward but you can prevent her from going forward and doing what SHE wants, let her go forward but make her do what YOU want. Try letting her go forward purposefully into small circles, 2 track, move her shoulders around, etc - anything to keep her from backing up and getting over her hocks which makes it easy for her to go up. If she has forward motion she cannot go up.
I've started her on aloe vera juice. She's on magnesium, I am switching her to low startch feed, I'm starting her on mare magic and she's on joint supplements. Lameness exam is my next thing to do.
When I am asking for her to stand, I take and release. I don't just continue to pull because that will obviously make any horse go up lol. *I* after going through this a bunch on here, is probably most of the issue with the rearing. I'm requiring her to stand for a minute after breezing through and she doesn't want to, she wants to keep going. Which is normal I guess after she just ran and now she's wound. Forward motion is better then up as some have said which is true. So I believe I'll just continue to let her move but only where I want to. Circles and such etc. I can warm her up on a lose rein w/t/c. But a little before running and more after she gets a little washed out.
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| Are you sure she is 3/4 quarter horse? I mean this is no negative way but she carries herself and has the conformation of an arab. I have seen some of these turn out to be nice little horses but they are trained a different way because they are so bendy and they usually wanna fall on their forehand at times. All of which can be altered so they do it correctly just keep it in mind. To me is seems like she is out of position going from 1 to 2... as if she is still learning her basics between the barrels.
I think she looks like she is trying to please. As far as the rearing thing, once you rule out pain... I usually think it related to anxiety. You have to find ways that make barrels fun and stress-free. I guess after I breeze through I never just go stand... I usually walk them around and then make them stand. I could see why that makes her antsy and pop up in the front. And maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying, just my two cents. |
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| stayceem - 2015-12-15 12:58 PM
Are you sure she is 3/4 quarter horse? I mean this is no negative way but she carries herself and has the conformation of an arab. I have seen some of these turn out to be nice little horses but they are trained a different way because they are so bendy and they usually wanna fall on their forehand at times. All of which can be altered so they do it correctly just keep it in mind. To me is seems like she is out of position going from 1 to 2... as if she is still learning her basics between the barrels.
I think she looks like she is trying to please. As far as the rearing thing, once you rule out pain... I usually think it related to anxiety. You have to find ways that make barrels fun and stress-free. I guess after I breeze through I never just go stand... I usually walk them around and then make them stand. I could see why that makes her antsy and pop up in the front. And maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying, just my two cents.
I'm 100% positive. I got into contact with her old owner who had, had her foaled on her property then sold her. She was a woops.
No you're understand me perfectly fine. I understand what you are saying as well.
Adding a conformation shot... Someone earlier said that her conformation might be hindering her. So here's a quick snap to decipher.
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