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Can anyone explain to me what this is?
outrundaizy
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2015-12-18 12:32 AM
Subject: Can anyone explain to me what this is?



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Location: Texas		 My injured horses cut is finally healing.. 2 days ago it was still bleading pretty good but yesterday the bandage was off for most of the day(not purposely) as the vet told me to keep it wrapped. This black, hard, plastic feeling film is developing over the wound, I've never seen anything do this before. Is this normal? Part of the healing proccess? Do I keep wrapping it now or does this mean it needs to be unwrapped? 

 



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dashnlotti
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2015-12-18 12:46 AM
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Location: Louisiana		 Looks like a blood clot to me.  I could be wrong of course!!
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outrundaizy
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2015-12-18 1:06 AM
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dashnlotti - 2015-12-18 12:46 AM  Looks like a blood clot to me.  I could be wrong of course!!

I'm assuming that would be a bad thing right? I'm worried that somethings wrong since it was bleeding with a constant stream running down his leg on Tuesday and overnight it looks like this. I've never seen a cut heal like this, but this one was pretty deep. 
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BARRELHORSE USA
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2015-12-18 5:07 AM
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outrundaizy - 2015-12-18 12:32 AM

 My injured horses cut is finally healing.. 2 days ago it was still bleading pretty good but yesterday the bandage was off for most of the day(not purposely) as the vet told me to keep it wrapped. This black, hard, plastic feeling film is developing over the wound, I've never seen anything do this before. Is this normal? Part of the healing proccess? Do I keep wrapping it now or does this mean it needs to be unwrapped? 

 

Wrapping a cut on a horse is not in my vocabulary unless it is a ragged tear or slice and I am trying to mate the two sides to grow back together then the wrap is just a day or so.

I think when the bandage came off a forming scab stuck to the bandage and opened the "puncture"?? wound back up. Is this above the knee on the forearm on one of his front legs or elsewhere? .. Any idea what made the wound.. tree limb, t post etc???
Did your vet do any debriding of the proud flesh area?? .. which will bleed profusely.

Why no wrapping... it creates a dark moist area for bacterial infections to start and really gives you a problem. ALSO .. a horse has a unique healing aid called granulated flesh which you can see in your picture as the red area, if this grows above the normal skin line and is not controlled it becomes what is known as proud flesh. (the yellow area is dead flesh that may be forming an infection and may turn white)

Air is your best friend when treating a wound on a horse. It allows the granulated flesh to grow and seal up the wound while the deeper muscle and other tissue starts to grow back. If there is debris in a puncture wound Mother Nature will try to surround it and eventually come to the surface with the proud flesh and could turn into a gristle as a protective measure to retain any movement of the debris.

If it heals too quickly and is wrapped .. this can cause bacteria pockets that turn into a long painful healing process. When first cut .. some bleeding is a good thing to cleanse the would out at the bottom of the injury. This when it is ok to wrap and use a big handful of sugar to help coagulate the blood to stop the bleeding.

If this was my horse .. I would work on two things ... aiding the horse's white cells to kill out any pockets of infection hiding under the granulated flesh or what appears to be dead tissue at the side of the wound. Second item ... is to control the granulated flesh from becoming proud flesh and turning into a gristle or a weeping hole due to excessive proud flesh.

Keep this in mind ... YOU WANT TO PRETEND YOU DO NOT WANT THIS HOLE TO GROW SKIN OVER IT TOO SOON ....
Here is my general attack on a wound to accomplish the two things above ..

PEN-G ... 20cc daily for 5 days ... miss 5 days and repeat 5 days.. antibiotics have a peak and then if given too long become ineffective .. this is the reason for the stop and repeat technique .. use a 20 guage needle ... to keep him from getting sore .. Pen G will not be used again unless you distinctly see pus oozing from the wound later on ...

Shot technique ... find your spot on neck ... pinch it for 5 seconds .. smooth pinch mark out with your finger... and then FLICK the needle deep into neck where you pinched and hold pressure against the syringe to his neck in case he moves keep the pressure on and try not to wiggle the needle ... now press the plunger and give him his meds .. after the pinching.. most horse never know they got a shot ..

WATER HYDRATION .. spray wound as hard as thumb pressure will allow for 5-10 minutes each day .. it will cleanse area and increase bloodflow to the area for healing purposes ... a pinkish water blood liquid is normal coming from a granulated flesh area ... this is good .. could be pus from a pocket of infection mixed in with it .. try to blow off any scabs that are loose ..

CAUSTIC POWDER // WONDER DUST ... FOR 3 DAYS .. puff lots and lots of caustic powder on it after your daily hydro therapy ... .. this is going to create black scabs ..which is a good thing ... it is killing the top layer of granulated // proud flesh.

4TH DAY .. spray as hard as you can to knock off any scabs you see forming .. these scabs are killed granulate flesh .... apply a greasy antibacterial like Furazone or mix one oz of strong iodine (6-7%) with one qt of corn oil in a spray bottle .......... slop it on, around and below the wound to keep any drainage from scorching his hair/skin ..
This is going to soften up the black scabs to make them easier to blow off of the wound ... and at same time treat the growing skin around the edges of the wound ..

REPEAT THE ABOVE 4 DAY ROUTINE even when you see the skin heal together in order to minimize the size of the scar ... most times it heals so well .. you have to search for a car after everything heals

Todays vets do two strange things to horses ... they want to put bandages on cuts and put them on stall rest for long periods of time which is the exact opposite of what the horse needs to happen to them ........ it might be ok for dogs and cats but horses are totally different ... never go to a vet that does not own a horse ... lol ...

GOOD LUCK ... this old proven remedy works!!!
hope you didn't go to sleep reading this book ... auto correct and I have been at war while writing this thing .... lol



Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2015-12-18 5:09 AM
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cheryl makofka
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2015-12-18 10:20 AM
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BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-18 5:07 AM

outrundaizy - 2015-12-18 12:32 AM

 My injured horses cut is finally healing.. 2 days ago it was still bleading pretty good but yesterday the bandage was off for most of the day(not purposely) as the vet told me to keep it wrapped. This black, hard, plastic feeling film is developing over the wound, I've never seen anything do this before. Is this normal? Part of the healing proccess? Do I keep wrapping it now or does this mean it needs to be unwrapped? 

 

Wrapping a cut on a horse is not in my vocabulary unless it is a ragged tear or slice and I am trying to mate the two sides to grow back together then the wrap is just a day or so.

I think when the bandage came off a forming scab stuck to the bandage and opened the "puncture"?? wound back up. Is this above the knee on the forearm on one of his front legs or elsewhere? .. Any idea what made the wound.. tree limb, t post etc???
Did your vet do any debriding of the proud flesh area?? .. which will bleed profusely.

Why no wrapping... it creates a dark moist area for bacterial infections to start and really gives you a problem. ALSO .. a horse has a unique healing aid called granulated flesh which you can see in your picture as the red area, if this grows above the normal skin line and is not controlled it becomes what is known as proud flesh. (the yellow area is dead flesh that may be forming an infection and may turn white)

Air is your best friend when treating a wound on a horse. It allows the granulated flesh to grow and seal up the wound while the deeper muscle and other tissue starts to grow back. If there is debris in a puncture wound Mother Nature will try to surround it and eventually come to the surface with the proud flesh and could turn into a gristle as a protective measure to retain any movement of the debris.

If it heals too quickly and is wrapped .. this can cause bacteria pockets that turn into a long painful healing process. When first cut .. some bleeding is a good thing to cleanse the would out at the bottom of the injury. This when it is ok to wrap and use a big handful of sugar to help coagulate the blood to stop the bleeding.

If this was my horse .. I would work on two things ... aiding the horse's white cells to kill out any pockets of infection hiding under the granulated flesh or what appears to be dead tissue at the side of the wound. Second item ... is to control the granulated flesh from becoming proud flesh and turning into a gristle or a weeping hole due to excessive proud flesh.

Keep this in mind ... YOU WANT TO PRETEND YOU DO NOT WANT THIS HOLE TO GROW SKIN OVER IT TOO SOON ....
Here is my general attack on a wound to accomplish the two things above ..

PEN-G ... 20cc daily for 5 days ... miss 5 days and repeat 5 days.. antibiotics have a peak and then if given too long become ineffective .. this is the reason for the stop and repeat technique .. use a 20 guage needle ... to keep him from getting sore .. Pen G will not be used again unless you distinctly see pus oozing from the wound later on ...

Shot technique ... find your spot on neck ... pinch it for 5 seconds .. smooth pinch mark out with your finger... and then FLICK the needle deep into neck where you pinched and hold pressure against the syringe to his neck in case he moves keep the pressure on and try not to wiggle the needle ... now press the plunger and give him his meds .. after the pinching.. most horse never know they got a shot ..

WATER HYDRATION .. spray wound as hard as thumb pressure will allow for 5-10 minutes each day .. it will cleanse area and increase bloodflow to the area for healing purposes ... a pinkish water blood liquid is normal coming from a granulated flesh area ... this is good .. could be pus from a pocket of infection mixed in with it .. try to blow off any scabs that are loose ..

CAUSTIC POWDER // WONDER DUST ... FOR 3 DAYS .. puff lots and lots of caustic powder on it after your daily hydro therapy ... .. this is going to create black scabs ..which is a good thing ... it is killing the top layer of granulated // proud flesh.

4TH DAY .. spray as hard as you can to knock off any scabs you see forming .. these scabs are killed granulate flesh .... apply a greasy antibacterial like Furazone or mix one oz of strong iodine (6-7%) with one qt of corn oil in a spray bottle .......... slop it on, around and below the wound to keep any drainage from scorching his hair/skin ..
This is going to soften up the black scabs to make them easier to blow off of the wound ... and at same time treat the growing skin around the edges of the wound ..

REPEAT THE ABOVE 4 DAY ROUTINE even when you see the skin heal together in order to minimize the size of the scar ... most times it heals so well .. you have to search for a car after everything heals

Todays vets do two strange things to horses ... they want to put bandages on cuts and put them on stall rest for long periods of time which is the exact opposite of what the horse needs to happen to them ........ it might be ok for dogs and cats but horses are totally different ... never go to a vet that does not own a horse ... lol ...

GOOD LUCK ... this old proven remedy works!!!
hope you didn't go to sleep reading this book ... auto correct and I have been at war while writing this thing .... lol


I have to disagree with some things you have said.

The penicillin on for 5 and off for 5, generally that is not long enough for penicillin to have any effect and you will create a super bug this way. People not finishing their antibiotics in human life is the reason why we have super bugs.

My vet is sometimes extreme, and he suggests penicillin for 14 days whereas most vets recommend it for 7.

Also leaving it open versus covering the wound, there is research to prove and disprove what you have to say.

There may be other reasons to keep the wound wrapped, such as to prevent more swelling in that leg, as it looks like he still has some edema in the knee.

Personally I keep everything wrapped till I have granular tissue over the entire wound, and the weather is nice.

To the op, to me that looks like a blood clot, no big deal, there must be a small vein still exposed, I would wrap for this reason, as there is a greater chance of infection and sepsis if blood vessels are involved. I wrap always with an antibiotic, or something to change the ph of the skin so no bacteria can grow, ex apple cider vinegar, cyanne pepper, or silver.
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Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2015-12-18 11:11 AM
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I don't wrap anything. I would use Vetercyn or Wonder Dust. I prefer Vetercyn until the wound starts healing then Wonder Dust. Sometimes different treatments are required because of unforeseen conditions. I have had to use Underwoods (not my favorite) because something necessitated it. Never wrap anything though.
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r_beau
Reg. Apr 2010
Posted 2015-12-18 11:13 AM
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BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-18 5:07 AM  Why no wrapping... it creates a dark moist area for bacterial infections to start and really gives you a problem.

ALSO .. a horse has a unique healing aid called granulated flesh which you can see in your picture as the red area, if this grows above the normal skin line and is not controlled it becomes what is known as proud flesh.

 PEN-G ... 20cc daily for 5 days ... miss 5 days and repeat 5 days.. antibiotics have a peak and then if given too long become ineffective

after your daily hydro therapy ... .. this is going to create black scabs ..which is a good thing ... it is killing the top layer of granulated // proud flesh.

 
Proud flesh can form whether you bandage or whether you don't bandage. 

Direct stimulate of the wound once granualation tissue has started to form (your "daily hydro therapy" you talk about) will actually stimulate proud flesh growth. As will excessive rubbing/cleaning of the wound.

My horse Red is just recovering from an injury that was to the bone. He was on stall rest for 2 months and I kept it bandaged the entire time. The flies would have eaten it alive in the warm weather. The bandaging KEPT it from getting a nasty infection, being spread by all those flies. In his case, I would never considered NOT bandaging it; especially when that bone was exposed. YOu can't let the bone dry out. It was absolutely necessary to bandage.

I also STRONGLY disagree to take a "break" from the penicillin. This is a great way to create antibiotic resistance. You need to do the whole course at once. Usually the minimum is 7 days, although many vets will go longer. Red was on his for 14 days, since his injury was down to the bone. Your understanding of antibiotics appears to be quite flawed. Yes, it is true you don't want to keep them on an antibiotic forever, as that is not good either, but 14 days is certainly not too long by any means.

Old remedies are good and all and some have there place and value, but that's where new proven research often replaces "old" ways of thinking.



OP: the "black" almost looks like it is old blood. Can you gently peel it off? Or you could see what happens after a couple days. I think your wound is looking really good, btw.
 

Edited by r_beau 2015-12-18 11:15 AM
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Posted 2015-12-18 12:36 PM
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Location: In The Snow, AZ		I very rarely wrap anything. Including my own, or my child's injuries. My daughters nurse told her to keep a bandage on a scrape she got from playing. My daughter begged me to let her leave it on because the nurse is "basically a doctor". My daughter is six, so I laughed and left it be. 24 hours later the scrape was oozing. Now my daughter listens to me.

In MY opinion, don't wrap.
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Posted 2015-12-18 12:43 PM
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Location: South Central Florida		It looks like a blood clot.  
I have done both, wrapped and unwrapped.  I guess I've done it all over the years.
Last year I had a mare flip over beside the trailer, slid under the trailer and sliced her under arm open.  I sliced an artery.
I have had people tell me it could not have been a artery, she would be dead. 
My husband is a retired Parametic/Firefighter and worked many years for a vet on his off days.  Please know we know what we were seeing.  It was squirting, then just flowing blood. 
Of course it was 7:30 at night and I am a good 2 hours from an emergency vet getting here...she did it trying to load in a trailer so there was not getting her in a trailer to get her to a vet.  It was horrible.
We held it with our hands (taking turns) for almost an hour finally got a call into a friend that brought us some wonder dust.
At about the hour and a half point we got the wonder dust AND a compression wrap...lasted about 5 or 6 minutes before it was saturated in blood.  Did it again, this time it lasted 15 to 20 min.  The third time it held.  My friend said how are you going to take the wrap off...I said I'm NOT. 
We got antibiotics on board and left the wrap.  Now I had to worry about shock.  We keep fluids here now, and we got a lot of fluids into her and I fully expected her to be dead the next morning.  But she was fine.
We got her to the vet on Monday (that was Friday night) and by then the wrap had fallen off but it had a large blood clot just like that on it.  Our vet said leave it alone, if you pull it off, it will start bleeding again.

Now...my delima was wrap or no warp????  Because of where it was, wraps just slid down her let.  it was October so weather was nice.  I treated it with Underwoods, and kept Swatt around the edges and pam spray on her legs because it drained for about 10 days and scalded her leg.  The pam kept the draining from scalding her.

Now I don't wrap unless I absolutely have to for swelling or bugs but I find swat and or another bug spray works better.
I love Underwoods and Bevs Wound salve but the wound salve won't stick to slick wet wounds.
Good Luck
 
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Posted 2015-12-18 3:40 PM
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outrundaizy
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2015-12-18 4:07 PM
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Location: Texas		 Thank you everyone, I am going to leave it wrapped as it was a puncture all the way through the joint. The hole in the joint is closed now but we are still trying to keep infection away. I will try putting some Apple Cider vinegar on it as Cheryl suggested. So if this is a blood clot will that come off? Im worried about the scarring it's gonna leave. Thanks again for all the advice!
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