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Location: So. California | Can you tell me about OTMR horses and their temperament? Are they thick boned? Best breeding sons (other than Slick)? |
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| I have a filly by a g-daughter of him (a daughter of FWF) so mine is a g-g-daughter. I was told by the owners of the mare that she was a little hot and would throw a major fit if she was pushed past a certain point. My filly seems to have a little bit of that. My fillies sire is dog- gentle (son of Fuel Charger). My filly will get fed up and angry sometimes but not with a human. She hasn't with me or the trainer but she has bitted up. I will tell you my filly has insane natural ability and is an incredible mover though and seems to have a good work ethic.
I don't know of any good sons. Hope this helps some. |
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 Mature beyond Years
Posts: 10780
Location: North of the 49th Parallel | My best friend has a filly from Red's Western Native and really likes her. Filly is just a weanling but a little fiery. |
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 Blaines and Beauty
Posts: 1431
| I've trained a ton of them and I absolutely love them. All the ones I had were tough, gritty, hard headed and would work their tail off. You can't pick on them and start fights. But honestly, most were so naturally talented, you just showed them the correct way to turn and they got it. Most of the ones I had were crossed on cowbred mares and a few with running bred mares. I liked the cow cross better, but I love the cowbreds. All the ones I had were very sweet on the ground and were all business when you climb on their back. Mine were all pretty stout and good boned. I love Slick and we are breeding my mother in laws Gay Bar King grand daughter to him next year and I also like Reds Western Native and his colts are proving to be very nice as well. |
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 Sorry I don't have any advice
Posts: 1975
Location: Sunnyland Florida | I love them, but they are not for everyone. Tempermental, hot and need patience and time. If u can't do that don't get one. |
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Posts: 509
| Mine is crossed with a cowhorse mare he is even tempered and so smart |
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 Livin in the Dinosaur Age
Posts: 1993
Location: the other T-town, Oklahoma | Runaway - 2015-12-20 11:47 PM I love them, but they are not for everyone. Tempermental, hot and need patience and time. If u can't do that don't get one.
This is exactly how we felt about the one we owned. And to answer your other question he was very big boned. Wore an extra large bell boot and was about 16.2. He definafly had the OTMR head. Biggest head I had ever seen on a horse. |
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  Desert Diva
Posts: 4946
Location: The birthplace of Honest Abe | I have a granddaughter and she is the most level headed horse I have owned. She is only 4 and more laid back thing ever. She is also big boned and you can tell she is OTMR bred LOL. |
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Location: Kentucky | I really like VF Red Smash. He is short but built like a bulldog. VERY sweet. I bred my mare to him a few years ago, and she was live covered. The owner just used a regular halter and lead. He was a gentleman. I would breed another mare to him in a heartbeat. He's a stud that looks like the pictures in his advertisements. No surprises when you go and see him. He has some offspring that are doing very well in the pen also.
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Addicted to Baseball
Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | I had one by Reds Western Native and had to put him down. I don't know what went wrong in his early life (though we'd gotten him at 6), though he'd been held back from his first owner hoping he'd be their next rodeo horse, he came back from the colt starter dangerous. From there he'd been passed around innumerable times to trainers due to his temperament or damage from early work with him, and was sent home from every one of those trainers having either hurt the trainer or an asst. The sellers weren't honest with me about him other than he was "a little cold backed". I did some detective work and found the story to be much more significant than I was told. Hired a trainer friend of ours to check him out as the stories of injury were pretty grave. Gave the guy a heads up and full disclosure before he even swung a leg over and after a month where we thought he was going to be ok in the right hands, he came undone while checking a trap one day and gave the trainer a closed head brain injury, we chose to put him down.
Granted this is the only one I've had, but others told me later they are fragile, and shouldn't be rammed and jammed in their early years. We have hot bred horses, grew up with OTT horses and hot blooded single brain celled warmbloods, this wasn't "hot" this was a horse unable to cope.
Edited by Tilt The Kilt 2015-12-21 12:22 PM
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BHW's Simon Cowell
Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | Mine are really good minded. Good horses to use too and they won me a lot. |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
Posts: 7427
Location: South Central Florida | We have/had one by the Money Depot so che is a granddaughter. LOVE HER. She is only about 14.3, all grit. She has had several bizzar injuries and kept being moved to the back burner. . .but in the bit of time we have run her, she can run anywhere from the 1D to the 4D depending on the rider. BUT not really for kids. She's just all power.
Isn't Slick a Grandson?
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 Sweet Tea
Posts: 3496
Location: Home of the World Famous "Silver Bullet" | Not for the novice or faint of heart. |
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 Roan Wonder
Location: SW MO | We have a grandson of OTMR on the bottom side & Sun Frost on the Top. I have heard several places that they are hard headed, but he is a big baby he was so easy to break & train. His foals all super easyt o work with. |
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Location: Wyoming | You have to allow them to think its their idea. Very fast, very athletic but they can dig their heels in. I agree...they are not for the faint of heart. |
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Desert Diva
Posts: 4946
Location: The birthplace of Honest Abe | Mine is by VF Red Smash, all of his get that I have been around are all level headed and smart. |
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Posts: 4625
Location: Desert Land | Nice horses, dirty fast, and they WIN - no doubt. But I think they're too fractious for me personally, but I did get a contract for Slick because I know other people love them and I don't keep them long enough to find out how they ride. |
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 Professional Amateur
Posts: 6750
Location: Oklahoma | I love my mare. She is Dash for Perks / Disco Jerry top side and o/o an OTMR mare. She has a ton of heart and athletic ability. She was a mess when I initially got her in, but I couldn't bring myself to part with her now. She's a keeper. She is built like a tank too.
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I AM being nice
Posts: 4396
Location: MD | I grew up on own get of OTMR and tend to have grand get coming through frequently. Most of mine have been crossed on either barrel breeding, or straight race breeding. I like me an OTMR, but you have to be a hand. If you are impatient, don't get one. If you are one who tends to pick a fight, don't get one. They can be the sweetest horses ever, but you can blow one sky high with just a few minutes of the wrong handling. |
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Posts: 2013
Location: Piedmont, OK | They will give you 110% every time but they can get hot easily! So if you are not a patient person it will not be a good combination. |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
Posts: 7427
Location: South Central Florida | WrapSnap - 2015-12-21 1:38 PM I grew up on own get of OTMR and tend to have grand get coming through frequently. Most of mine have been crossed on either barrel breeding, or straight race breeding. I like me an OTMR, but you have to be a hand. If you are impatient, don't get one. If you are one who tends to pick a fight, don't get one. They can be the sweetest horses ever, but you can blow one sky high with just a few minutes of the wrong handling.
Our Mare is one of the sweetest horses ever, LOVES everyone...nickers for kisses. . . big baby, but she gets really hot. Not crazy hot, just WANTS TO RUN hot. We just actually gave her to a good friend that LOVES OTMR's and they just fit better. |
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 Not Afraid to Work
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| A good friend of mine owned one and I rode him a few times before a different friend bought him. He was a Beduino on the bottom side, OTMR on top. He was super fragile and spooky. When he decided to work, he would lay one down but he would spook randomly and always looking for reasons to spook. You couldnt kick him or he would trot. He didnt like a bit. He was just weird and quirky. A more novice gal has him now and she loves him because she doesnt have expectations. I was offered him before my friend bought him and I quickly could tell he wasnt for me.
Now I have heard Beduino horses are difficult too so maybe it was that side of him or maybe it was the combo. I dunno but i definetely a bit leary of them. |
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Go Get Em!
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Location: OH. IO | Tilt The Kilt - 2015-12-21 8:05 AMI had one by Reds Western Native and had to put him down. I don't know what went wrong in his early life (though we'd gotten him at 6), though he'd been held back from his first owner hoping he'd be their next rodeo horse, he came back from the colt starter dangerous. From there he'd been passed around innumerable times to trainers due to his temperament or damage from early work with him, and was sent home from every one of those trainers having either hurt the trainer or an asst. The sellers weren't honest with me about him other than he was "a little cold backed". I did some detective work and found the story to be much more significant than I was told. Hired a trainer friend of ours to check him out as the stories of injury were pretty grave. Gave the guy a heads up and full disclosure before he even swung a leg over and after a month where we thought he was going to be ok in the right hands, he came undone while checking a trap one day and gave the trainer a closed head brain injury, we chose to put him down.
Granted this is the only one I've had, but others told me later they are fragile, and shouldn't be rammed and jammed in their early years. We have hot bred horses, grew up with OTT horses and hot blooded single brain celled warmbloods, this wasn't "hot" this was a horse unable to cope. ours was EXACTLY like this! Bought him at five years old.Never saw a horse that came unglued as quick as he did.bought him sight unseen from someone on here that wanted to travel with the ministry.......... thats now a bigger concern of mine than a vet check when we buy one. HE WAS A TOTAL DISASTER.
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | Out of curiousity, I wonder what the dam's side was?
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Posts: 242
| I bought one almost 2 years ago and was worried about temperament. She is a granddaughter of OTMR on the bottom. My trainer recommended her and she said she usually doesn't like them but she was different and she is. She is quiet, laid back but is built "racey". She is by Firewater on the Rocks. Have been very pleased with her. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | stayceem - 2015-12-21 2:19 PM A good friend of mine owned one and I rode him a few times before a different friend bought him. He was a Beduino on the bottom side, OTMR on top. He was super fragile and spooky. When he decided to work, he would lay one down but he would spook randomly and always looking for reasons to spook. You couldnt kick him or he would trot. He didnt like a bit. He was just weird and quirky. A more novice gal has him now and she loves him because she doesnt have expectations. I was offered him before my friend bought him and I quickly could tell he wasnt for me. Now I have heard Beduino horses are difficult too so maybe it was that side of him or maybe it was the combo. I dunno but i definetely a bit leary of them.
My, my, what a combo. The Bid's were the hardest breaking horses that I ever rode out of the gate. I was "the" gate girl at our local track. Took my time and didn't eat lunch many times because I refused to leave a horse on a bad note. They needed patience. That being said, I have started a Designer Red baby and a son of his. They needed more patience! Both blood lines were amazing athletes. I still say that Designer Red was the fastest horse down the alley to the first of any horse I've ever seen. OTMR on cow lines should produce a nice barrel horse. Mare's are so important in my opinion-the match is critical. |
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OTMR temperament?