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| Can anyone tell me the main differences between a Double J Pro saddle and a Pozzi Pro saddle?
I went to the official website and the descriptions don't really give many details as to the specific differences.
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Location: Southern Indiana | 1. Different trees - pozzi std 6.5", pro std 6.75", pozzi wide 7. The pro has a wide as well and both come in a #10 tree.
2. Pozzis will fit a stouter horse. The pros fit a racier horse. However both seem to fit a wide variety of horses. Just not a round flat backed horse.
2. Pozzi has a higher cantle
3. Pozzi stirrups sit straight down where the pros are slightly forward
4. The swells are slightly different on the pro.
I've had a pozzi, pozzi wide, & a pro. I'm a bigger fan of the pozzi, but I liked the pro. Go with a pro if you don't like to sit straight. |
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Location: Somewhere around here | TheDutchMan01 - 2015-12-22 8:14 AM
Go with a pro if you don't like to sit straight.
Just curious but what do you mean by this? Lol do you sit a little angled? |
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Location: The Great Northwest | I had a Double J dealer help fit my horses a year ago at a race. I was never told there is a difference in trees between the pro and pozzi. You can get what you want on any tree that fits the horse. The biggest difference for me between the pro and pozzi was the cantel. The high cantel of the pro was not comfortable for me. I felt I couldn't sit efficiently and it would pump my tail bone. The front is good on both the pozzi and pro. The length of seat made a difference in how foreward the stirrups felt. I finally ended up ordering a 13" seat, from a 14", it felt like I hit a sweet spot after a week of trials. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | I mean with your feet hanging straight down. Some people ride with their feet slightly or a lot out in front of them. Some do sit back slightly. Some people sit more on their crotch and some sit with their hips slightly rolled forward.
The cantle on a pozzi will practically cup you behind, where (for example) on a pro rider I feel like I'm sitting back on the cantle.
No I like to sit straight, but a lot of people don't. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, we just don't all sit the same. Hope that makes sense. |
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| Thank you!
I definitely tend to ride a little forward, so having my stirrups out in front of me is better. When the stirrups are too straight hung, my feet get behind me in the turns.
I sat in both at the NFR, and I thought I would like the Pozzi better, but actually the Double J felt better to me. |
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Location: So. Cali. | Not to steal the thread but question, Does anyone know if a Pro Wide fits like a Pozzi Wide? |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Three*C*Champs - 2015-12-25 7:07 AM Not to steal the thread but question, Does anyone know if a Pro Wide fits like a Pozzi Wide?
if it was the same tree...the saddle is built on the tree that fits the horse. |
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Location: North Dakota | BrightEyes - 2015-12-22 7:45 PM Thank you! I definitely tend to ride a little forward, so having my stirrups out in front of me is better. When the stirrups are too straight hung, my feet get behind me in the turns. I sat in both at the NFR, and I thought I would like the Pozzi better, but actually the Double J felt better to me.
Same here. I went to the saddle shop with the intent of buying the Pozzi, but sat in Double J Pro and it felt different....better. Im like you; tend to ride a little more forward than I should and I really like that I can get my feet out in front of me a little bit for the turn and get my heels down.
The JJ Pro also fit my horse better; it gave my horse a little more room in the shoulder area than the Pozzi. so I bought the Pro and am looking forward to smokin some runs in it this coming season 
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Location: NE Texas | What is the #10 tree and how is it different from the regular or wide? |
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| The #10 has more flare and rock to it. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Herbie - 2015-12-25 3:10 PM What is the #10 tree and how is it different from the regular or wide?
#10 is a wide tree with more twist to the bars. It is made for the the big bodied horse with a broad flat back. |
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| WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2015-12-24 10:34 AM
BrightEyes - 2015-12-22 7:45 PM Thank you! I definitely tend to ride a little forward, so having my stirrups out in front of me is better. When the stirrups are too straight hung, my feet get behind me in the turns. I sat in both at the NFR, and I thought I would like the Pozzi better, but actually the Double J felt better to me.
Same here. I went to the saddle shop with the intent of buying the Pozzi, but sat in Double J Pro and it felt different....better. Im like you; tend to ride a little more forward than I should and I really like that I can get my feet out in front of me a little bit for the turn and get my heels down.
The JJ Pro also fit my horse better; it gave my horse a little more room in the shoulder area than the Pozzi. so I bought the Pro and am looking forward to smokin some runs in it this coming season
Thanks for this..............and confirming things for me. Even though the Pozzi has a taller cantle, I felt like I could sit down better in the Double J Pro and push my feet/legs forward more.
That is why I think I will go with the Double J Pro. |
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| I sat in both and ended up going with the Pozzi. I liked that it had more room for my legs between the cantle and the swells. The horse that I use a Double J on has quite a bit of rate so I need to be able to jockey her and move around/make adjustments, and I felt like I could do that more effectively in the Pozzi. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | BrightEyes - 2015-12-25 10:59 PM WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2015-12-24 10:34 AM BrightEyes - 2015-12-22 7:45 PM Thank you! I definitely tend to ride a little forward, so having my stirrups out in front of me is better. When the stirrups are too straight hung, my feet get behind me in the turns. I sat in both at the NFR, and I thought I would like the Pozzi better, but actually the Double J felt better to me. Same here. I went to the saddle shop with the intent of buying the Pozzi, but sat in Double J Pro and it felt different....better. Im like you; tend to ride a little more forward than I should and I really like that I can get my feet out in front of me a little bit for the turn and get my heels down.
The JJ Pro also fit my horse better; it gave my horse a little more room in the shoulder area than the Pozzi. so I bought the Pro and am looking forward to smokin some runs in it this coming season
Thanks for this..............and confirming things for me. Even though the Pozzi has a taller cantle, I felt like I could sit down better in the Double J Pro and push my feet/legs forward more. That is why I think I will go with the Double J Pro.
The Pro has a tall cantel. I chose the Pozzi because it doesn't have that tall cantel. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | BrightEyes - 2015-12-25 10:59 PM
WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2015-12-24 10:34 AM
BrightEyes - 2015-12-22 7:45 PM Thank you! I definitely tend to ride a little forward, so having my stirrups out in front of me is better. When the stirrups are too straight hung, my feet get behind me in the turns. I sat in both at the NFR, and I thought I would like the Pozzi better, but actually the Double J felt better to me.
Same here. I went to the saddle shop with the intent of buying the Pozzi, but sat in Double J Pro and it felt different....better. Im like you; tend to ride a little more forward than I should and I really like that I can get my feet out in front of me a little bit for the turn and get my heels down.
The JJ Pro also fit my horse better; it gave my horse a little more room in the shoulder area than the Pozzi. so I bought the Pro and am looking forward to smokin some runs in it this coming season
Thanks for this..............and confirming things for me. Even though the Pozzi has a taller cantle, I felt like I could sit down better in the Double J Pro and push my feet/legs forward more.
That is why I think I will go with the Double J Pro.
I tried trees with a dealer and ordered the #10. They don't come with a lot of rock. It is a wide tree with more twist to the bars. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Someone please explain what you mean by "rock" and "twist" to the tree. I've had great luck running all my horses for quite a few years in Cactus Charmaynes. My latest mount is an 8 yr old mare that's big but I'm beginning to think the CJ is too wide for her. Someone told me the CJ wasn't wide enough through the back either. I tried a Tami Semas and didn't like how high the swells and horn are. I should also say my mare has a wide flat back but not a real lot of wither. |
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| saddlemakers.org has some really good descriptions and diagrams explaining "rock" and "twist" of the bars. I was having a hard time visualizing this as well and the diagrams really helped me to understand. My sister has a #10 pozzi that I have been riding and I just ordered a #10 pozzi at the nfr and had some pretty lengthy discussions there and over the phone with the guys from JJ and I would suggest anyone wanting accurate answers call them because some of what I have read does not match what I have gathered from them per our conversations. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | First off thanks for those that further explained that they liked the pro better because of the forward hung stirrups. This is exactly what I was trying to say. I liked how both saddles rode but prefer my Pozzis. I don't mind the straight down stirips and I like the higher cantle. And yes the Pozzi has a higher cantle. It's a 4 1/2" where the pro is a 4".
Twist refers to the amount of degree the bars contour to the shoulder area. Lot of twist = a horse with higher withers and lots of contour to their back. Flat = well a horse with a flat wither with hardly any contour to his back.
Rock refers to how much contour a saddle tree has. A flat tree will have very little rock. A tree like the #10 would have a lot of rock to accommodate a horse with a lower back. You can check the rock by placing your hands on the horn and cantle and rocking the saddle front to back. A good fitting saddle won't rock. If it rocks you either have to wide or too much rock.
The double js I have had don't fit a flat backed horse real well as they have some rock in the tree.
Edited by TheDutchMan01 2015-12-26 12:23 AM
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Location: The Great Northwest | I like The Saddle for terms on different parts of how a saddle can be made at saddlemakers.org/id193.htm#rigging_
I spent a week trying trees/riding the Double J saddles before ordering the Pozzi. |
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Can Anyone Tell Me The Difference Between a Double J Pro and a Pozzi Pro Saddle?