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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | Just FYI...read an article about Callie Duperier's 2014 WPRA season...her father Trip is quoted as saying it cost them $150,000 to win $44,000. Just in case anybody ever thought this was a money-making deal...NOT!! LOLOLOLOL!!! 
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Location: Oklahoma | I wonder what's included in that $150,000? Just the entries, fuel, meals, vet/maintenance etc.? Because I would think rig and/or horse alone would easily exceed that number!
Do you have a link to the article? I'd love to read it, it's all so interesting. | |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | I googled Trip Duperier, and about the 4rh article down was out of the San Antonio News Express. Interesting. I assume the truck, trailer, and DILLON were outside that $150,000 cost factor. Wouldn't you like to know what she paid for Dillon? Yeah, I would... | |
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Location: MD | That's pretty much the way it is in anything having to do with horses though. There is a reason that sponsors are so important. There is also the side where you have to look at spending more than you make as an investment. When we think of so many of these girls who we have seen turn their rodeo career into lucrative businesses, that money spent going down the road is really start up capital and marketing. Had Brittany not won everything that she had, would anyone be riding her saddles, buying her bit, or supplement lines? Would she be able to charge what she does for horses? Fallon has certainly done it better than anyone. She has turned her success in the arena into more businesses than probably anyone in the history of the sport and does most of her marketing while in the truck, going to the next rodeo. Sure, it costs a pile to get down the road, but at that level, it sure can reap some very fine rewards! | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | CrossCreek - 2015-12-23 12:40 AM
I googled Trip Duperier, and about the 4rh article down was out of the San Antonio News Express. Interesting. I assume the truck, trailer, and DILLON were outside that $150,000 cost factor. Wouldn't you like to know what she paid for Dillon? Yeah, I would...
Yes that would have to be outside the cost to go down the road........Callie hauled to almost 100 rodeos so her cost was more than a few that made it with less example Lisa and Sarah or Nancy that were about at the 50 rodeos or less to make it and Lisa and Sarah were 2nd and 3rd. Both of those are the exception in most cases. | |
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| I guess I am confused about your question... do you mean actually the NFR itself, like that week trip? Or cost to get to the NFR?
I am not the least bit surprised it costs $150,000 in traveling costs such as fuel, food, hotel if nexessary, maintenance, vet care, etc. | |
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Location: South Dakota | Alexis Bloomer has a great interview on the challenges of the rodeo road with Callie, Jana and Jackie, it is about 30 minutes long...I found it on Racer's Edge, facebook page. | |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Trip is a #'s man he can tell you how much per mile. Road miles and flying miles.
(I don't have those figures for this year.) Our little state sends quite a few on a yearly basis to the NFR. I'm amazed at some of our ropers they came home when the per mile cap they set went over. These guys were doing good in the oil business. But they set their mark and stuck to it. We had a really great calf roper do the same, if he wouldn't have had a sinking spell during the Cali run I think our little Hill Country area would have been well represented. Like WrapNSnap said, sponsors are vital-especially to young HS or college types striking out for the first time. Some must win early on in the year to stay on the road thru the droughts that come along.
PS I wish the rodeo season was broke in half and the best 7 from each half came together for the superbowl. That keeps them off the road which is so hard on the stock and the contestant.
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Location: sunny california | WrapSnap - 2015-12-23 10:13 PM That's pretty much the way it is in anything having to do with horses though. There is a reason that sponsors are so important. There is also the side where you have to look at spending more than you make as an investment. When we think of so many of these girls who we have seen turn their rodeo career into lucrative businesses, that money spent going down the road is really start up capital and marketing. Had Brittany not won everything that she had, would anyone be riding her saddles, buying her bit, or supplement lines? Would she be able to charge what she does for horses? Fallon has certainly done it better than anyone. She has turned her success in the arena into more businesses than probably anyone in the history of the sport and does most of her marketing while in the truck, going to the next rodeo. Sure, it costs a pile to get down the road, but at that level, it sure can reap some very fine rewards!
That is an excellent point. It is kind of like college. when you go see a Doctor or Lawyer you are not just paying for that hour that you see them: you are paying for untold hours of training and expenses it took to get their education to the level that someone would expect in a particular field before asking for help from them. All the hours in the library studying and having no life is supposed to have a reward in the end, otherwise who would do it? | |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | kwanatha - 2015-12-24 10:04 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-23 10:13 PM That's pretty much the way it is in anything having to do with horses though. There is a reason that sponsors are so important. There is also the side where you have to look at spending more than you make as an investment. When we think of so many of these girls who we have seen turn their rodeo career into lucrative businesses, that money spent going down the road is really start up capital and marketing. Had Brittany not won everything that she had, would anyone be riding her saddles, buying her bit, or supplement lines? Would she be able to charge what she does for horses? Fallon has certainly done it better than anyone. She has turned her success in the arena into more businesses than probably anyone in the history of the sport and does most of her marketing while in the truck, going to the next rodeo. Sure, it costs a pile to get down the road, but at that level, it sure can reap some very fine rewards! That is an excellent point. It is kind of like college. when you go see a Doctor or Lawyer you are not just paying for that hour that you see them: you are paying for untold hours of training and expenses it took to get their education to the level that someone would expect in a particular field before asking for help from them. All the hours in the library studying and having no life is supposed to have a reward in the end, otherwise who would do it?
Ummmm...most dr's and lawyers are able to recoup their initial investment on 8 years of college within a few years, and then make nice incomes after that. What percentage of barrel racers are able to capitalize on their success and parlay it into something bigger? One percent? One tenth of one percent?? I'm sorry, I don't think you can compare that kind of cash outlay and consider it an "investment", comparing it to a college education, which most definitely will yield you a positive ROI. If you think I'm wrong, go ask ANY banker if they would bankroll you for a pro career in barrel racing for a couple years, betting that you'd make a name for yourself. You'd be laughed out of any financial institution in the world. Brittany, Charmayne, Martha, Sherry...one in a million is bankable. For most people, let's face it...pro rodeo requires that you have money to throw away...Just sayin'...that is my opinion, backed by 40 years of watching and participating in this sport. | |
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Location: MD | CrossCreek - 2015-12-24 10:58 PM
kwanatha - 2015-12-24 10:04 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-23 10:13 PM That's pretty much the way it is in anything having to do with horses though. There is a reason that sponsors are so important. There is also the side where you have to look at spending more than you make as an investment. When we think of so many of these girls who we have seen turn their rodeo career into lucrative businesses, that money spent going down the road is really start up capital and marketing. Had Brittany not won everything that she had, would anyone be riding her saddles, buying her bit, or supplement lines? Would she be able to charge what she does for horses? Fallon has certainly done it better than anyone. She has turned her success in the arena into more businesses than probably anyone in the history of the sport and does most of her marketing while in the truck, going to the next rodeo. Sure, it costs a pile to get down the road, but at that level, it sure can reap some very fine rewards! That is an excellent point. It is kind of like college. when you go see a Doctor or Lawyer you are not just paying for that hour that you see them: you are paying for untold hours of training and expenses it took to get their education to the level that someone would expect in a particular field before asking for help from them. All the hours in the library studying and having no life is supposed to have a reward in the end, otherwise who would do it?
Ahh, but those are not the only ones to have done it. You've been around long enough to remember all the buzz when the Steinhoffs bought Hotshot and everyone was talking about how much they spent. How many Team Steinhoff saddles do you reckon they would have sold had they not had him in their lives? Of course no bank would finance it, too much risk and too many variables. As with anything having to do with horses, you either have to fund it yourself, or find someone stupid enough to do it for you.
As for what it costs to get to the NFR, there are a ton of variables in that too. In 2014, Callie was out on the road learning the ropes. She entered over 100 rodeos. She was paying her dues and getting a feel for things. Most girls don't haul smart that first year. Most of the time, they aren't eligible for the limit entry rodeos, so they have to haul a lot harder in order to make less money. I guarantee you that her numbers looked a lot different coming into the NFR this year. Sarah didn't start really hauling until after the 4th of July in 2014 and ended up narrowly missing the Finals. As you go, you meet more people, you find more economical ways to stay on the road. You start hauling smarter, you know which rodeos not to waste your EF's on and you do a lot less backtracking. I've always looked at that first year as though it were college. You're spending money educating yourself on how to do it right. If you're lucky enough, you make up for it in the years to come.
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| I'm not sure Duperier's are the best example for the legitimate cost.
Most girls don't have 2 or 3 rigs going down the road while they fly back and forth from rodeos in Canada like Callie did. Especially in 2014 when she was going for Rookie. In 2015 she hooked up with Sherry to learn the ropes better.
Callie, Sherry and Jackie Ganter are not "average" when it comes to financial support or the amount of horses they are mounted on. | |
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| I suspect that most people starting out to seriously try for the NFR have some strong support behind them somewhere. At least until they get some sponsors. I also think that, depending on the number of rodeos, most contenders have spent more than they earned getting to the NFR.
I remember that, I believe, Martha Josey talk about her truck blowing up on the road and just buying another one so she could get to the rodeo. That can get expensive quickly.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Bottom line is this. You'd better have a realistic "plan B" if you hoping to earn a living as a barrel racer, because the odds are you won't. In fact, chances are, "chasing the dream" will suck money out of you and you'll wind up losing money. Yes, there are exceptions, but they are very few and far between......IF you consider ALL of the costs. Even the ones who are true professionals reaping the rewards of their talent, risk taking, and hard work often had to have a lot of financial backing to even get started. | |
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Location: MD | I have to say, this post truly makes me wonder if some of y'all realize just how much money a lot of folks spend on their barrel racing hobby/habit. | |
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| WrapSnap - 2015-12-25 12:12 PM I have to say, this post truly makes me wonder if some of y'all realize just how much money a lot of folks spend on their barrel racing hobby/habit. ...........an arm and a leg........value of each is all relative to the start up money a person has, continual income, how often one goes, the fees one pays, vet expenses, feed, tack, truck, trailer, etc. I think those who go fairly regular know just how much they spend on their hobby.
However, most barrel racers do not criss cross the country going to rodeos, fly to different rodeos, pay someone to have a rig and horse ready to go at more than one location on the same weekend, pay the high fees, or make more than 60 runs a year.......... . Most barrel racers stay within a few hours of the house and don't make 3-4 runs nearly every weekend of the entire year. Very few NFR qualifiers stay within a few hours of their home in order to qualify for the NFR.
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Location: CTX | WrapSnap - 2015-12-25 12:12 PM I have to say, this post truly makes me wonder if some of y'all realize just how much money a lot of folks spend on their barrel racing hobby/habit.
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| Many contestants have said if they don't "bank" at the NFR they go home broke. The top 15 are all given 10k to cover expenses for the NFR-many do not have the cash flow to cover the incidentals. | |
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| I don't think I can imagine the costs... even following Fallon on snapchat... having a chirp/massage/whatever other people there for 10 days... I cant imagine that cost alone unless that is free due to the attention/publicity they get. That's is just ONE of many costs I cant wrap my head around. | |
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| They have zero expense at the NFR except for what they choose . By that I mean if the choose to pay a chiro or farrier or vet. I know Gilley's gave the bull riders $100 each night to blow at Gilley's. They have the VIP lounge at the Gold Buckle Zone that has all the booze and food contestants want for free. They don't have hotel expense either.Everyone is given $10,000. Literally their only expense in Vegas is the cost to get there. The money they make in Vegas is all gravy. I'm not saying they don't spend a lot to make the NFR. But the NFR becomes a huge meal ticket and opens a lot of doors once you make it there. | |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | stayceem - 2015-12-25 12:43 PM
I don't think I can imagine the costs... even following Fallon on snapchat... having a chirp/massage/whatever other people there for 10 days... I cant imagine that cost alone unless that is free due to the attention/publicity they get. That's is just ONE of many costs I cant wrap my head around.
Or not staying on grounds or renting condos instead of taking advantage of free stalls and rooms. Why wouldn't they want to save, I don't get it. | |
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Location: MD | barrelracer1983 - 2015-12-25 3:34 PM
stayceem - 2015-12-25 12:43 PM
I don't think I can imagine the costs... even following Fallon on snapchat... having a chirp/massage/whatever other people there for 10 days... I cant imagine that cost alone unless that is free due to the attention/publicity they get. That's is just ONE of many costs I cant wrap my head around.
Or not staying on grounds or renting condos instead of taking advantage of free stalls and rooms. Why wouldn't they want to save, I don't get it.
Taking advantage of free stuff doesn't always equal savings. Many keep horses off site so that they have a more restful atmosphere. They can get turn out, be more relaxed and as a result, be able to perform better. I also know some girls who give their comp'ed rooms to the people there to help them throughout the week. | |
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| what's that old saying i have always heard? oh yeah, "you gotta have money to MAKE money". or somebody's money anyway.
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Location: sunny california | CrossCreek - 2015-12-24 8:58 PM kwanatha - 2015-12-24 10:04 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-23 10:13 PM That's pretty much the way it is in anything having to do with horses though. There is a reason that sponsors are so important. There is also the side where you have to look at spending more than you make as an investment. When we think of so many of these girls who we have seen turn their rodeo career into lucrative businesses, that money spent going down the road is really start up capital and marketing. Had Brittany not won everything that she had, would anyone be riding her saddles, buying her bit, or supplement lines? Would she be able to charge what she does for horses? Fallon has certainly done it better than anyone. She has turned her success in the arena into more businesses than probably anyone in the history of the sport and does most of her marketing while in the truck, going to the next rodeo. Sure, it costs a pile to get down the road, but at that level, it sure can reap some very fine rewards! That is an excellent point. It is kind of like college. when you go see a Doctor or Lawyer you are not just paying for that hour that you see them: you are paying for untold hours of training and expenses it took to get their education to the level that someone would expect in a particular field before asking for help from them. All the hours in the library studying and having no life is supposed to have a reward in the end, otherwise who would do it?
I never said they would make the same money as a doctor or lawyer. you missed the point competely. The point was that after they make it to the nfr, it opens doors: it is easier to hang up your trainers hat and get clients. They would still have to do a good job training to keep them though. that it was the education was for. i have seen many gals get customers for training strictly becasue of success on one horse. people go to winners when they have no other way to evaluate the skill level of a trainer. | |
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Location: East of the Pecos | To put it in perspective, look at the WPRA list of all money earners in 2015.
There were 779 girls who won any money at all (some ties).
67 won over $20K (8.7%)
55 won $10K-20K (7.1%)
83 won $5K to 10K (10.7%)
192 won $1,500-$5K (24.7%)
382 won less than $1,500 (49.1%)
Eye opening. So nearly 1/2 the girls at the rodeo are going to make less than $1,500 that whole year. Plus, 67 girls who won less than $1,500 went to 20 rodeos or more. I know some regrouped because they saw it wasn't working, some horses got hurt etc., but therre are some who go just to be seen. It's not just the girls at the top who are faced with expenses of horses, trucks, trailers, feed, maintenance & vet bills and much more. What I'd like to know is how do you go to more than 20 rodeos a year and make less than $1,500 and pay nearly the same ownership cost per horse as those who make much more than that. Max out the credit cards.
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | Bug Is Alive - 2015-12-26 10:57 AM To put it in perspective, look at the WPRA list of all money earners in 2015.
There were 779 girls who won any money at all (some ties).
67 won over $20K (8.7%)
55 won $10K-20K (7.1%)
83 won $5K to 10K (10.7%)
192 won $1,500-$5K (24.7%)
382 won less than $1,500 (49.1%)
Eye opening. So nearly 1/2 the girls at the rodeo are going to make less than $1,500 that whole year. Plus, 67 girls who won less than $1,500 went to 20 rodeos or more. I know some regrouped because they saw it wasn't working, some horses got hurt etc., but therre are some who go just to be seen. It's not just the girls at the top who are faced with expenses of horses, trucks, trailers, feed, maintenance & vet bills and much more. What I'd like to know is how do you go to more than 20 rodeos a year and make less than $1,500 and pay nearly the same ownership cost per horse as those who make much more than that. Max out the credit cards.
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| CrossCreek - 2015-12-24 10:58 PM
kwanatha - 2015-12-24 10:04 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-23 10:13 PM That's pretty much the way it is in anything having to do with horses though. There is a reason that sponsors are so important. There is also the side where you have to look at spending more than you make as an investment. When we think of so many of these girls who we have seen turn their rodeo career into lucrative businesses, that money spent going down the road is really start up capital and marketing. Had Brittany not won everything that she had, would anyone be riding her saddles, buying her bit, or supplement lines? Would she be able to charge what she does for horses? Fallon has certainly done it better than anyone. She has turned her success in the arena into more businesses than probably anyone in the history of the sport and does most of her marketing while in the truck, going to the next rodeo. Sure, it costs a pile to get down the road, but at that level, it sure can reap some very fine rewards! That is an excellent point. It is kind of like college. when you go see a Doctor or Lawyer you are not just paying for that hour that you see them: you are paying for untold hours of training and expenses it took to get their education to the level that someone would expect in a particular field before asking for help from them. All the hours in the library studying and having no life is supposed to have a reward in the end, otherwise who would do it?
I worked for a pain management doctor (anesthesiologist) who was still paying on his student loans twelve years after he finished his residency. My son has over $350,000 in student loans that are just from medical school-he paid for his four years of college with scholarships, working part time and my help.
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How much does it cost to go to the NFR?