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| I've been fighting an abscess in my colt for nearly three weeks now. I've had him wrapped with the skm poultice, soaked it, etc etc. He has pretty much been three legged on it. He lies down a lot. Called the vet out beginning of the week and magically he appears sound when she gets here. She still looked at it, hoof tested and looked for a track. No track found and no mushy spots. Still sore from hoof testers. Put him back out and two days later he's three legged again. Vet says start soaking again. We've been wet and muddy here but he's out on pasture. Anyone have a similar experience or advice? It's killing me to see him this sore. |
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Location: So. California | ImaSparkyAce - 2015-12-25 4:24 PM I've been fighting an abscess in my colt for nearly three weeks now. I've had him wrapped with the skm poultice, soaked it, etc etc. He has pretty much been three legged on it. He lies down a lot. Called the vet out beginning of the week and magically he appears sound when she gets here. She still looked at it, hoof tested and looked for a track. No track found and no mushy spots. Still sore from hoof testers. Put him back out and two days later he's three legged again. Vet says start soaking again. We've been wet and muddy here but he's out on pasture. Anyone have a similar experience or advice? It's killing me to see him this sore.
Call a different vet?
Can you stall the colt? How are you keeping a wrap on him in a muddy pasture?
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| Are u positive it's an abscess? I'd be thinking much more serious than an abscess if he's been laying down a lot. Fracture, tendon problem, etc. |
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Location: Florida.. | A Simple xray will show where it is. your vet should be able to detect it
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| She located the sore area just thinks it is going to come out the top. He is staying wrapped with diaper vet wrap and loads of duct tape. It's wet and muddy but pasture still has some grass to it. Forgot to add there was quite a bit of heat to his foot no swelling anywhere. Heat has reduced substantially since the other day when he was briefly much more sound. Haven't stalled him because he's much more comfortable turned out the stall would be stressful for him and I've only got one right now so can't keep someone else in with him.
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| Is the horse shod??? If so I had one just like this!!! 3 legged lame and soaked for WEEKS. Vet said same thing yours did. I called out my shoer and as soon as he pulled the shoe it BLEW.. I mean RIVER of JUNK. THe pressure of the shoe was keeping it from coming out the bottom. As soon as it blew he was 100 percent sound. |
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| Have a friend whose horse had some kind d of deep abscess that the vet said usually had to be surgically removed. The horse had to have ultra sounds and an MRI for another issue. Those two things caused the abscess to bust out. The vet was very surprised.
I have one that I have been fighting for a month. Horse is lame a day or two then fine. I am going to soak his in oxyclean and Synbiont tomorrow. That should get it. |
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Location: So. California | Put a mixture of ichthammol and a handful of epsom salts in the diaper and wrap the hoof. Change daily. It should draw the abscess out within a few days. Then keep it clean for a few more, allowing the hole to drain and close.
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| Anniemae - 2015-12-25 9:17 PM
Put a mixture of ichthammol and a handful of epsom salts in the diaper and wrap the hoof. Change daily. It should draw the abscess out within a few days. Then keep it clean for a few more, allowing the hole to drain and close.
This is what I have been doing along with the alum and mud poultice. No shoes on him at this time. |
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| At this point, I'd take an xray to make sure you are actually dealing with an abscess. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | SKM - 2015-12-26 8:29 AM
At this point, I'd take an xray to make sure you are actually dealing with an abscess.
Get an X-ray and proceed to find someone in your area with a Magnawave. Have two treatments down a day apart. If you have no other issue than a abscess. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | My 34 year old gelding had a huge abcess about a year ago. It went on for weeks, with soaking, poulticing etc and it would not pop out. It was actually oozing around his heels, the base of the frog and around about half of the cornet band. He was non weight bearing and would not lay down, I guess because he knew he could not get back up. Vet and farrier out several times. We finally had to go to heavy duty antibiotics to get it cleared up. He was off his feed and lost quite a bit of weight which at his age was really bad. Ended up with a big crack/seperation at the coronet band which the farrier had to bevel because it was pinching him ever step he took. Now a year later he is 100% and all damage grown out on the foot. |
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| And this morning now he's looking sound again. Haven't taken wrap off yet to see if there is a blow out because of mud. Hopefully this will be the last of it. He did have a crack around between his heel bulbs too. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | ImaSparkyAce - 2015-12-27 8:42 AM And this morning now he's looking sound again. Haven't taken wrap off yet to see if there is a blow out because of mud. Hopefully this will be the last of it. He did have a crack around between his heel bulbs too.
Does he have time out of the mud or wet conditions for the hooves to dry? His hooves may be extremely soft and easly bruised and abcessed. |
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| i am dealing with pretty much the same thing with my 34 year old. I can see where he cut the bottom of his hoof on a rock and I've been soaking, wrapping, etc. but it just won't release. He's eating somewhat and can gimp around...will lay down though. Just worries me more because of his age...i put a boot on the wrapped hoof so I can at least let him out on his "dry" lot for a while and keep him in at night... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | You really need to haul him in and get an xray of that foot, I had one that was 3 legged lame for 1 and a 1/2 week finally took him in for xray of back foot it was a deep huge abscess I was worried that his coffen bone was broken but it was a abscess and when it blew it took out half of his bottom of his sole. With the xray I knew what to expect, we xrayed two times to keep an eye out where the abscess was and about the time it would blow out. It was a mess for awhile.
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| Same as BMW and others above stated...
Had one dignosed and treated for an abscess for 3+ weeks one year ago to find out it was fractured coffin bone. Make sure they go back and and radiography again and LOOK CLOSELY at the image. Hopefully this isn't the case but better to know ASAP. Good luck!
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| He got sore again and had the vet back out after she told me to keep soaking, wrapping etc. so went back to mud poultice. Today his leg is swollen to his knee. From the time I talked to her to when she got here he finally blew out the top of his heel bulb. Looked some more for a track and the abscess had started on one side and went all the way around his foot and finally out. She did dig it out some as well and liquid just poured out. I'm just glad he is finally getting some relief. Going to keep a close eye on it and hope nothing else strange happens. I've never seen one fester this way. |
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| Keep your poltice and diaper routine going and spray wash it out everyday when re applying the diaper routine ....
Now is the time to hit him with 20cc of PenG for 5 days and then lay off 5 days and then 20cc Pen G for another 5 days ...
This will help his body attack the infection that created the abscess AND keep it draining and open by using a vegetable brush ...
GOOD LUCK
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-31 3:49 AM Keep your poltice and diaper routine going and spray wash it out everyday when re applying the diaper routine .... Now is the time to hit him with 20cc of PenG for 5 days and then lay off 5 days and then 20cc Pen G for another 5 days ... This will help his body attack the infection that created the abscess AND keep it draining and open by using a vegetable brush ... GOOD LUCK
Why do you keep telling people to use antibiotics this way? I've never heard a vet recommend such a schedule. In fact, after my mare had a very severe abscess like this open up, my vet had me dose her for 14 days. This on and off stuff seems like a good way to encourage selection for resistance. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-12-31 8:04 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-31 3:49 AM Keep your poltice and diaper routine going and spray wash it out everyday when re applying the diaper routine .... Now is the time to hit him with 20cc of PenG for 5 days and then lay off 5 days and then 20cc Pen G for another 5 days ... This will help his body attack the infection that created the abscess AND keep it draining and open by using a vegetable brush ... GOOD LUCK
Why do you keep telling people to use antibiotics this way? I've never heard a vet recommend such a schedule. In fact, after my mare had a very severe abscess like this open up, my vet had me dose her for 14 days. This on and off stuff seems like a good way to encourage selection for resistance.
Go get your micro biology books and you will learn that antibiotics have a peaking affect and then become ineffective and will actually give you other serious effects when used for long periods of time .....
Resistance to a drug happens when used for extended periods of time!!
5-on-5-off-5-on .. will give you two strategic peaks of activity ... and gives the horses body time to form its attack with its own resources!! ... and you do not kill the good gut bacteria and end up with even a bigger problem.
Why aren't you asking ... Why antibiotics were not started on this horse to help relieve the pain the horse was going through as the bacteria kept increasing the pus//pressure inside the hoof and giving him a pulsing pain that is difficult to endure ... ??
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| The antibiotic dosing regimen is called pulse therapy or pulse dosing. It is sometimes used in both the human world and veterinary medicine. However, I don't recommend the willy nilly use of such a protocol unless you're educated about it. What bacteria are you treating, with what antibiotic, what area of the body...? Some antibiotics aren't appropriate for pulse therapy. Some are.
There is recent discussion about the benefits of pulse therapy for Lyme disease. Not much information about drug resistance. And some researchers warn that inappropriate use of pulse dosing will encourage drug resistance.
I dont really recommend trying it unless you have input from a professional. And even the professionals don't agree!
But it is used, just not too often, at least in my area. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-01-01 3:23 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-12-31 8:04 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-31 3:49 AM Keep your poltice and diaper routine going and spray wash it out everyday when re applying the diaper routine .... Now is the time to hit him with 20cc of PenG for 5 days and then lay off 5 days and then 20cc Pen G for another 5 days ... This will help his body attack the infection that created the abscess AND keep it draining and open by using a vegetable brush ... GOOD LUCK
Why do you keep telling people to use antibiotics this way? I've never heard a vet recommend such a schedule. In fact, after my mare had a very severe abscess like this open up, my vet had me dose her for 14 days. This on and off stuff seems like a good way to encourage selection for resistance.
Go get your micro biology books and you will learn that antibiotics have a peaking affect and then become ineffective and will actually give you other serious effects when used for long periods of time .....
Resistance to a drug happens when used for extended periods of time!!
5-on-5-off-5-on .. will give you two strategic peaks of activity ... and gives the horses body time to form its attack with its own resources!! ... and you do not kill the good gut bacteria and end up with even a bigger problem.
Why aren't you asking ... Why antibiotics were not started on this horse to help relieve the pain the horse was going through as the bacteria kept increasing the pus//pressure inside the hoof and giving him a pulsing pain that is difficult to endure ... ??
The regime you are giving will actually contribute to antibiotic resistant microorganisms
The equine pharmacology text I have says the suggested dose is 22,000- 25,000 units per kg, so a 1000lbs horse should be getting at least 37cc per dose.
The book also says the recommended dosing on the bottle has not been supported from the literature.
In the equine clinical pharmacology text it says the half life to Im penicillins is 7 hours, so 7 hours after administration, the concentration is decreasing, this is why it is better to give it every 12 hours.
Neither textbook recommends any schedule similar to yours.
I also looked up penicillin in the current therapy in equine medicine 5th Ed and it does not support your practice as well
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| cheryl makofka - 2016-01-01 12:15 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-01-01 3:23 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-12-31 8:04 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-31 3:49 AM Keep your poltice and diaper routine going and spray wash it out everyday when re applying the diaper routine .... Now is the time to hit him with 20cc of PenG for 5 days and then lay off 5 days and then 20cc Pen G for another 5 days ... This will help his body attack the infection that created the abscess AND keep it draining and open by using a vegetable brush ... GOOD LUCK
Why do you keep telling people to use antibiotics this way? I've never heard a vet recommend such a schedule. In fact, after my mare had a very severe abscess like this open up, my vet had me dose her for 14 days. This on and off stuff seems like a good way to encourage selection for resistance.
Go get your micro biology books and you will learn that antibiotics have a peaking affect and then become ineffective and will actually give you other serious effects when used for long periods of time .....
Resistance to a drug happens when used for extended periods of time!!
5-on-5-off-5-on .. will give you two strategic peaks of activity ... and gives the horses body time to form its attack with its own resources!! ... and you do not kill the good gut bacteria and end up with even a bigger problem.
Why aren't you asking ... Why antibiotics were not started on this horse to help relieve the pain the horse was going through as the bacteria kept increasing the pus//pressure inside the hoof and giving him a pulsing pain that is difficult to endure ... ??
The regime you are giving will actually contribute to antibiotic resistant microorganisms
The equine pharmacology text I have says the suggested dose is 22,000- 25,000 units per kg, so a 1000lbs horse should be getting at least 37cc per dose.
The book also says the recommended dosing on the bottle has not been supported from the literature.
In the equine clinical pharmacology text it says the half life to Im penicillins is 7 hours, so 7 hours after administration, the concentration is decreasing, this is why it is better to give it every 12 hours.
Neither textbook recommends any schedule similar to yours.
I also looked up penicillin in the current therapy in equine medicine 5th Ed and it does not support your practice as well
You read your book and come up with huge amounts of antibiotics to be given and I will continue with proven methods that work.
If I had as many sick horses as you say you have had with every post that comes up ... I would get out of the horse market!! or stop buying horses at killer sales!!
I use the KISS system and not the use of google or a book bought at a garage sale ... lol ... try the KISS system sometime and find out how easy and well it works ..
The amount of wide range antibiotics I suggested is not to go for a killing affect of everything in a horses system but to aid their immune system to rebuild and take over the process of healing from within on a natural basis ...
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| You've also recommended feeding medicated chicken feed to horses before too. I think I'd rather try my luck with Google. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-01-01 4:36 PM
cheryl makofka - 2016-01-01 12:15 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-01-01 3:23 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-12-31 8:04 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-31 3:49 AM Keep your poltice and diaper routine going and spray wash it out everyday when re applying the diaper routine .... Now is the time to hit him with 20cc of PenG for 5 days and then lay off 5 days and then 20cc Pen G for another 5 days ... This will help his body attack the infection that created the abscess AND keep it draining and open by using a vegetable brush ... GOOD LUCK
Why do you keep telling people to use antibiotics this way? I've never heard a vet recommend such a schedule. In fact, after my mare had a very severe abscess like this open up, my vet had me dose her for 14 days. This on and off stuff seems like a good way to encourage selection for resistance.
Go get your micro biology books and you will learn that antibiotics have a peaking affect and then become ineffective and will actually give you other serious effects when used for long periods of time .....
Resistance to a drug happens when used for extended periods of time!!
5-on-5-off-5-on .. will give you two strategic peaks of activity ... and gives the horses body time to form its attack with its own resources!! ... and you do not kill the good gut bacteria and end up with even a bigger problem.
Why aren't you asking ... Why antibiotics were not started on this horse to help relieve the pain the horse was going through as the bacteria kept increasing the pus//pressure inside the hoof and giving him a pulsing pain that is difficult to endure ... ??
The regime you are giving will actually contribute to antibiotic resistant microorganisms
The equine pharmacology text I have says the suggested dose is 22,000- 25,000 units per kg, so a 1000lbs horse should be getting at least 37cc per dose.
The book also says the recommended dosing on the bottle has not been supported from the literature.
In the equine clinical pharmacology text it says the half life to Im penicillins is 7 hours, so 7 hours after administration, the concentration is decreasing, this is why it is better to give it every 12 hours.
Neither textbook recommends any schedule similar to yours.
I also looked up penicillin in the current therapy in equine medicine 5th Ed and it does not support your practice as well
You read your book and come up with huge amounts of antibiotics to be given and I will continue with proven methods that work.
If I had as many sick horses as you say you have had with every post that comes up ... I would get out of the horse market!! or stop buying horses at killer sales!!
I use the KISS system and not the use of google or a book bought at a garage sale ... lol ... try the KISS system sometime and find out how easy and well it works ..
The amount of wide range antibiotics I suggested is not to go for a killing affect of everything in a horses system but to aid their immune system to rebuild and take over the process of healing from within on a natural basis ...
HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!
All I can say is wow, I provided references for the info I provided, and you attack me personally, and make fictitious assumptions about me.
No I have never bought a text book from a garage sale, I buy the textbooks from accredited publishers. I try to have current info, a text book from 1970 is not as reliable as one from 2015. Things change.
As for my horses, yes I have had quite a few injured horses, mostly bone and tendon injuries not so much sick the sad thing is where I live we have a cougar problem, sadly my only choice to remedy that problem is to move, but I do live in gods country, and not ready to give that up.
As for buying horses from kill pens, nope I don't do that either.
Please show me the scientific research that supports how you practice.
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